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27 Nov 2012 23:27:32
Watch out for diame tomorrow quality player good on ball rocket shot and breaks play up. Could have got him on a free in the summer!
Caolán.
We went in for him according to reports but we pulled out because he has a problem with his heart if I am correct..... They didnt want to risk it.
Isnt he injured ?
Mick
27 Nov 2012 23:24:24
You are proving my point that SAF does not play youth unless he buys them !
Devil Dust.
could it be that he rates the young players he has bought as good enough for the first team , hence buying them.
i agree 100% with ports, fergy will and has played young players if he thinks they are ready and good enough
jred {Ed007's Note - I am actually surprised Powell has not played more than he has.}
I agree with that and powell has played in league 2 few months back . i think he needs a loan move to another premier league club.
players like scholes and neville began played regularly during their early 20s and so i wouldnt be surprised powell being regular near 21.
nikz
Maybe I over exaggerated the not playing youth unless he buys them but my main point is that Giggs and Scholes (Giggs in particular) should not be starting games in CM ahead of young quality energetic players like Tunnicliffe or Powell for example.
If they can not offer more than a near 40 yr old winger then they should not be at the club.
Devil Dust.
Devil dust so do you think tunnicliffe isa better player than giggs and scholes
jred
Honestly jred I think he would do a better job than Giggs the kid has drive hunger a great engine loves a tackle and IMO would give you more in CM than Giggs does.
Devil Dust.
Devil dust
got to disagree to be honest.
it seems that players get better the less they play.
if carrick plays and united dont play well , that makes clevs a better player, no doubt if clevs comes in and doesnt do well jones will become the midfield saviour .
anderson is suddenly our best cm but has hardly played this season.
i think its a joke to rate tunners higher than giggs , just an other example of people jumping on the bandwagon and using very little football sense imo
fergy see's giggs scholes tunners on a daily basis, i have a funny feeling he may rate giggs and scholes a bit higher than tunners at the moment .
im sure some people wont be happy untill we drop the first 11 and play an under 21 team.
as myself and others have said before fergy will and has played young players if they are ready and good enough and i stll belive he is in a better position to judge it than some people on this site
jred
I will agree with ya that players that are injured or are not picked miraculously become better players but we will have to differ on the matter of SOME young lads getting in the team.
Its my belief though that if SAF thinks that Tunners cant do a better job for us than Giggs at this stage in his career then the kid has NO chance of making it at United cause then he must quite a poor player (which I dont think he is)
Devil Dust.
Devil Dust
REDFAITH hit the nail on the head, we are lacking in CM and for this position you need composure and experience.
I have openly admitted I rate Tunnicliffe and would love to see him play as I believe he could be massive for us for many years but when you said he brings drive, hunger, loves a tackle, although you are right, it only takes one rash tackle in the Premier League through his enthusiasm or excitement to get a red card, one lung busting run which isn't necessary that might leave us open.
Our young players all have so much ability it's frightening but what they need to learn now is how to play the game, when to make a forward run, when to make a tackle or hold up the player, when to keep possession, when to slow the game down, when to speed it up. Yes there is the manager on the sidelines giving information but as I'm sure you'll appreciate, not all players take this on board when they get caught up in the game so we need players with experience on the pitch to help these kids.
I agree with jred, SAF knows these players, he knows their personal lifes, professional lifes, he deals with them on a daily basis, maybe tactically SAF is starting to make mistakes as the game is changing but one thing he will never lose is the skill of managing players, he's the greatest at this.
Ports
Ports
You say Tunners making a lung busting run might leave us open at the back...but our centre backs are been left wide open with no protection with the likes of Giggs or Scholes in CM.
Their legs are gone and oppo players know they can just walk past them at their ease, the Spurs game was a prime example of that they just walked thru the middle of the pitch at will.
I am surprised at the blinded support of ageing players whose legs are gone....and whenever a team sheet goes up with Giggs partnering Carrick almost everyone can predict the inevitable calamity that is just waiting to happen.
Devil Dust
27 Nov 2012 22:53:14
Please Anderson start tomorrow and put cleverly back in. Preferred line up; DDG rafael, Evans, smalling, evra: Anderson, cleverly, fletcher, Rooney Hernandez Rvp in a diamond midfield with fletch sitting deep.
There's been a lot of talk about managers recently so who would people prefer? In all seriousness there's only 2 people likely for the job when SAF retires.
AGREE for GUARDIOLA: DISAGREE for MOURINHO.
27 Nov 2012 23:29:55
Bang on with the line up.
I agree 100%
Think carrick and rio will start though unfortunately
will red
SAF has said Anderson should start I believe
Pardoe
27 Nov 2012 20:20:08
I think it's only right we go for Isco and Ogbonna.
Add 1 out of Wanayama/Strootman/Bender to the list and we are done for next summer... provided we see Fabio back as our new 1st choice LB..
That would be 50 M well spent
Shaun
27 Nov 2012 19:15:07
What are peoples thoughts on Ogbonna?
James
Only watched him a few times but from what I have seen is that he shows a big presence on the pitch, can make a lot of great tackles and also is very fast for a center-back. But I don't know if he would become a "big shot" I would say he is on par with Smalling or may a little worse than him. Overall a good player though.
-JakeW
Exact player we need to add to our defense.
Good player, will become better, not world class, and probably never will be. He would definetly improve our defense atm, but smalling and evans are just as good if not better.
Hummels and Papadopoulos are much better alternatives.
Mick
27 Nov 2012 17:58:17
Personally think this will be the team tomorrow...
--------------Lindegaard--------------
Smalling--Ferdinand--Evans--Evra
Young--Carrick--Anderson--Rooney
----------------RVP---------------------
-------------------Chicharito----------
I think Lindegaard will be in to help compete with the inevitable long ball and set piece routines (Even though I prefer De Gea by a mile) Smalling in at right back to help out against Carroll and other threats in the air. Ando will start along with Carrick to use his ball retention and his height. Young is the only fit winger we have which is worrying, Chicha has to start because he deserves it, Rooney on the left being aloud a free role to drift all around the pitch
RedKnight
___________Lindegaard
Rafael__Ferdinand__Smalling__Evra
Young___Carrick___Anderson___Giggs
____________Rooney
_____________RVP
Thats what I expect us to go with. Maybe see Evans or Welbeck making the starting line up. Hernandez I expect will come off the bench and score and I think we'll initially go behind but will grind out a 2-1 win.
Fresh!
27 Nov 2012 19:46:21
i think it will be
de gea
rafael evans ferdinand evra
carrick
cleverly anderson
rooney
hernandez van persie
i would prefer smalling to ferdinand but think he will go for Rio
Will Red
27 Nov 2012 15:18:44
Just read that Anderson has the highest pass success rate at 93.1 % . hope he can keep it going
Desired.
That's probably because he tends to steam forward with the ball at his feet more than he passes. Not saying that's a bad thing, mind.
TK-Red
27 Nov 2012 14:22:54
City signing De Rossi would make them very, very dangerous. A midfield pairing of Yaya and De Rossi would be one of the most powerful and solid in the world.
Even though he is 29, I would love us to jump in and snatch him from City, even if it is for £25 million. If not then Vidal is the other top option, then Bender, then Wanyama and then I would say Strootman.
Fresh!
I can't help but think that the signing of De Rossi would see Toure leave after he spoke recently of feeling like he had accomplished all he could at the club but who knows.
TK-Red
I bet Garcia, Rodwell and Barry would love it if he signed.
Supasub
How have I managed to get 13 disagree's and no agree's? Surely the post makes sense, he's a world class player...
Fresh!
But £25 million? He is getting a bit old and players like Wanyama, Strootman and Bender are younger.
19-20 MUFC
Fresh, De Rossi is probably one of the best midfielders in the world atm. 2 seasons ago he would have been a wonderful signing, but for some reason he has been gradually declining. He is not nearly as good as Vidal. Considering he's 4 years older, why would he be on to of our list for such a high price?
Dont get me wrong i would love to have him, but certainly not ahead of Vidal.
Mick
27 Nov 2012 13:32:48
Sorry to say but there are a lot of United supporters that are hypocrites. Go back to the summer and on the site you'll see lots of posts saying we should sell Anderson he is not good enough and now just cause he is playing well everyone is saying Anderson is class he should be starting.
Anderson has been my favourite player at United since 2007 when we signed him. My friends are shocked by the fact that he is my favourite cause they say it is unusual. He has been very unlucky in his career with injurys and i believe if he did'nt get any injurys he would be 1 of the first players on the team sheet now.
How do we know you aren't one of the hypocrites if you don't leave a name on your posts? I think Anderson can be a quality player, there is a reason the fans sing 'he sh1ts on fabregas' and that's because he has done and still can do that.
Unfortunately his career has been full of a few good games and then an injury and then a very tricky comeback to fitness where he looks out of shape for a long period of time and like a shadow of the player he can be. Then he gets fit and the cycle happens again. If the lad gets a couple of seasons without an injury he could be a major asset in our midfield. One thing I love about him is how happy he seems to he when he is playing and how excited he looks when he scores or contributes to a goal, you can tell it means a lot to him.
I wouldn't say he was one of my favourite players and if the cyclical nature of his injuries continues we would have to be looking at cashing in on him, but he could definitely be a massive asset and an answer to one of our midfield problems if he stays fit. His performance on Saturday was possibly the best performance by a midfielder for united this season he just needs to continue that form into the Christmas period.
GDS
I was one of the people looking fergie to get rid of Anderson, Question no name - What has Anderson done in the last 5 years to merit his £20m transfer fee?
IMO he could become a great player like GDS has stated but he's injury prone and too inconsisent for me, i don't know if he has improved this season as i like what im seeing so far from him this season or our midfield as went so far in decline that he's just looking better.
He has the potinetal to be a great midfield player but too call us hypocrites because fergie has praised him, you need to catch a grip, you could pick on one hand how many 'excellent' games Ando has had.
As i've said he has did well so far this season and long may it continue, the real test for him to perform from the start, he'll get his chance on wednesday.
Giants14
If we sell anderson kfc in manchester will go bust.joking aside he completely changed the game on saturday,instead of passing sideways or backwards he ran at qpr, totally fit or not he is very quick and leaves players for dead.
johndenton
Lets not get too giddy about this. Yes i have been one of his biggest critics concerning his weight and off the field activities. Playing in a more advanced position he looks vastly improved but he has yet to do it for a full game. If he has been your favourite player for the past 5 years you must have bought a franchise in KFC or Bem Brazil. I AM KLOOT
That's 3 good games he's had now.
WOW!!!
Simmo
You'll probably the find that the people who said he should be sold on and the ones now saying he should play every week are 2 completely different sets of people. Anderson has flattered to deceive on so many occasions that, personally, I'll wait and see. If he can play like he has done, fleetingly, on a more regular basis and do it for more than 30-40 minutes then fantastic but lets not pin our hopes on him just yet. If Anderson IS to play more regularly then he has to play along side Cleverley or someone else who can get about the pitch to keep up with his attacking style of play.
TK-Red
Sorry thought i left my name haha. To reply to what anderson has done to merit 20 million he scored one of the penalty's that won us the champions league he also scored the winning penalty to win the league cup in 2009 other then that not much else but then he has been very unlucky with injurys.
Andy
Completely agree with the original post and so is Nani
Yes, he is not in form lately... but he is a top quality player but people want him out!
Like the original poster, I was a great fan of Anderson when we signed him in 2007.
But now I am so worried that everyone is setting high expectation on him and I am afraid people will want him out if he has few bad games.... :(
27 Nov 2012 12:44:05
Thanks Ed002. Read on that Mou is considering a possible swap Benzema for Chicharito. How true? Also, will Benz impact our game?
PeeBoaiy {Ed002's Note - I have know idea who Mou and Benz are. Sorry.}
Edoo2 mourinho and Benzema... you knew that rly didnt you!!
ms85 {Ed002's Note - I had no idea.}
On form, Benzema is one of the most complete strikers in the world. I don't see Mourinho getting rid of him. If we did sign him, you could bet that we'd be playing a diamond / 4-3-3 and we'd probably only keep Young and Valencia as wingers as they would slowly become obsolete. Fresh! {Ed002's Note - If you want to start listing teams they have to go on the tam pages or they will be deleted. The facilities no exist to reply there.}
Haha
Thanks Ed.
Too funny
Jonny8
on another note: would Anderson's resurgent form alter transfer plans? Given the trend is confirmed {Ed002's Note - I really don't know. I would doubt it.}
27 Nov 2012 12:14:30
You would have to give Brendan Rodgers some credit giving the young lads a run especially Sterling.
The kid is just 17 yet playing every week he is just 4 months younger than Matts Daehli but as we all know Daehli is years away from even getting a look in at Uniteds first team.(like Daehli sterling is no beast)
Pettrucci is 21 and yes has had his injuries but does anyone see him near an EPL game ? he didnt even get near the capital one team.
Of course Syd will come on and say Liverpool have no squad so thats why these kids are getting games but our midfield is dire and has been for a few years yet not one of our talented kids have got a sniff !!
Devil Dust.
Sydney would be exactly right aswell... Look at Wilshere and Rodwell two very good youngsters and they get played at an early age (too early i may add) and they become prone to injuries due to still growing.... Then you have the fact that n matter how dire you believe our midfield is none of the youngsters are as good as the players currently playing....I too would like to see Petrucci, Powell, Henriquez, Daehli etc get game time but you can not just play them because you want to you have to be able to compete with the competition and as much as I like them they are not as good as their elder counterparts.
Fergie mentioned he thought pool used Owen too much in his young days. the same could happen with sterling.
ms85
Why is there this opinion SAF does not give the kids a chance?
He has given chances to Smalling (19) Jones (19) De Gea (21) Rafael (19). Powell (18) is getting a feel of being at a top club and is getting opportunities now.
Welbeck was 18 when given his debut, Evans was 19 when he got his debut, Cleverley made his debut on tour at 19.
Before that, he spent big on Anderson (19) Nani (21) Rooney (19) Ronaldo (18).
He's invested in Henriquez (18) we have 6 players out on loan currently, Tunnicliffe has had a stint out on loan.
Liverpool do have to play Sterling because a) the boy is a talent and b) they have no one better!
Unfortunately the days of throwing in the kids is over, the Premier League is faster, more physical and the kids have to be able to develop physically as well as mentally, the pressure at the top is so much more so these youngsters have to be MANAGED!
SAF gives the kids a chance by allowing them out on loan to get senior football, Evans, Cleverley, Welbeck all went on loan and look what it has done to them. Beckham went on loan and it done him no harm. He gets them involved in the first team squad so they are around some of the best players in the Premier League and legends of the game so they get a taste of what it is like to be at the top so they get the taste to be involved in the next squad so they'll work harder.
With the kids nowadays though you have to keep their feet on the ground otherwise they will blow there chances, can you remind me what Ravel Morrison and Fryers are doing now? Michael Owen is a good example of a player that was thrown in at the deep end regularly for Liverpool and he burnt himself out, he's only 32 now and hasn't really played regulalry for 5 years?
Pettrucci is 2 years behind his progress because of injuries, we could of shipped him out but have invested time and money into getting him fit so that should say enough to you what SAF thinks of him.
If you want to throw kids in then all you need to do is look at Aston Villa currently, they have good young players who bring energy, pace, enthusiasm to the team but lack experience, against us they should of seen the game out, any other team would have but United kept going, grinded them down and when Hernandez scored the first, you new the Villa kids would crumble.
Let SAF manage these kids correctly and if they have the right attitude like Evans, Welbeck and Cleverley, they'll get their chance sooner then those 3 because of the likes of Carrick, Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, coming to an end but we need Rooney, Evans, Anderson to step up and take on the role these 4 have taken over the years.
Ports
DD, I'd say that because it's true.
Also Daehli is three month's YOUNGER than Sterling.
It is easier for wingers to adapt to the EPL when they are small as they do not intend to get caught. Daehli is in central midfield and would at this moment in time be murdered by the common central midfielder. He is being eased into the reserves as we speak. I think we will see bits of Daehli and Januzaj in the League Cup next season.
Petrucci is a different case, he has missed two full season's of development in his career so you could argue he is at Daehli's level in progression. Of course he has the strength which Daehli doesn't have so is ahead in that respect. I heard somewhere that Petrucci will play a lot more next season. The manager wanted to make double sure he is ready due to his BAD injury. I hope to see him play against Cluj and I think he may have played more this season due to injury.
Sydney!
Ms85, I have no doubt in my mind that Liverpool will ruin Sterling like they ruined Owen.
Sydney!
Syd why do you think pettrucci didnt make the bench at braga
johndenton
John, players ahead of him in the pecking order, he hasn't played much football in the past two months either.
Sydney!
Johndenton
I think SAF took him for the experience as I have mentioned above, Pettrucci is clearly not fit yet, he was down to start for the under 21's last night but pulled out before the players went out for K.O, he was replaced by Lawrence.
Ports
Top post by Ports. Although i would like to see the youth get more chances, it really is unfair to compare Sterling and the United youngsters. Would Sterling have got a chance had there been Nani, Young and Valencia at Liverpool? I doubt it.
The area in which we lack in is central midfield and it requires a lot of composure and experience to play in.
REDFAITH
REDFAITH
I agree I would like to see the kids get some chances but the time has to be right, people go on about the class of 92 but when they came in we had Schmeichel, Bruce, Pallister, Irwin, Cantona, Keane still playing regularly, we don't have that at the moment as Rio, Scholes, Giggs, Vidic aren't regularly playing so we need some players to take on this mantle, just because Carrick, Evra, Fletcher are elder doesn't mean they have the Leadership, presence in the changing room the others mentioned have to lead a team of young, inexperienced players, Hopefully Rooney, RVP, Anderson will take this on.
Ports
Syd, imo only Powell is ahead of Petrucci in the pecking order, because even with 2 years injured, he is more develloped and has much more to his game than any of the other u21s. But during the last month or so he was out injured and hasnt played a single match for the u21s, and was scheduled to play yesterday but backed out at the last minute.
So he didnt make the bench probably because of fitness issues.
Mick
Ports I think there would have been questions asked if Smalling (10m) Jones (18m) De Gea (18m) and Powell (6m) didnt get opportunities after all that money spent.
So that point makes no sense !
Devil Dust.
Liverpool bought Sterling in a deal worth potentially £5 million, what's your point?
Ports
Nice one ports....600,000 up front massive investment there.
So no name, would you like me to explain what potentially means? Regardless of the cost, Liverpool invested in him and are playing him, United have invested in young players and playing them, don't give me this rubbish that SAF doesn't give kids a chance.
Ports
You are proving my point that SAF does not play youth unless he buys them !
Devil Dust.
So what about Evans, Cleverley and Welbeck? all youth players we haven't bought and have been given a chance.
Shappy
27 Nov 2012 02:59:03
Does anyone know who Ekangamene is ? he played last night for the reserves and it's the first time i've seen him in action.
Mick
Hes been around for a while,i watched him last season in the reserves and youth team but before that im not sure,from what ive seen of him he appears to play the same way carrick does,sits in the midfield,breaks up play and makes the simple pass.
phil
We bought him from Belgium when he was 15. Started as a striker, but now plays in midfield.
Sydney!
Thanks for the info. I noticed he is a physical energetic midfielder, doesnt shy away from challenges, but not really talented enough to make the grade imo.
Mick