Manchester United Banter Archive August 28 2012

 

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28 Aug 2012 22:33:52
Dembele is going to Spurs, that pretty much ruins any chance we had of addressing our midfield issues. I hope this doesn't come back to haunt us, SAF is solely to blame if it does as every fan with a braincell of football knowledge can see we need a midfielder. Silly transfer dealings from SAF again!

Flimbo

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I knew this would happen. We didn't sign one player so that's it. Before Saturday nobody even wanted Dembele they wanted Witsel and now suddenly it's the end of the world and fergie has messed up.

Maybe he didn't want him?

GDS

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You have to hand it to Levy, very astute. In 3 years he will sell him for 25£, he would be perfect for us.

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I'd have him for £25 for my 5 a side team.

By the way, having a bid accepted and signing a player are two different things, we could match the bid tomorrow and I'm sure the player would want to play for us.

GDS

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GDS

If you bothered to take the time to actually read what I said then you would know that I said that Dembele was the most realistic signing we could have made to address the issue we have in midfield. The reason for this is the price tag and the fact that he is proven in the PL and he also destroyed our midfield last weekend, which, IMO should have prompted us to try get him.

However the point I was making was that regardless of where Dembele goes we still need to sign a quality midfielder as our team is lightweight with talent in there due to a number of reasons...Carrick is mediocre, Fletcher isn't ready and won't be for a while, Anderson is as big a flop as Bebe and we were robbed for the price we paid for him and Scholes is too old to be playing at the top level every week and to be fair even if he was 10 years younger he wouldn't be the player we are missing as he can't tackle and Giggs is well past it at this stage.

So you can be as defensive as you like about the transfers we've made but if you think those players mentioned above are going to win the CL this season then you are seriously deluded and you obviously lack the ability to simply see things as they are. You are always quick to spout out BS about other peoples opinions but you're just a fan like the rest of us and you need to accept that we all have a right to an opinion and nobody is safe from criticism, not even SAF and if he wants to be stubborn and refuse to address the problems in midfield then he has to accept the backlash from those of us who question his decisions. If you don't like listening to other people's opinions and ideas then don't!

Flimbo

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Flimbo (Mr Defensive)

When did I say you couldn't have your opinion? I didn't. I do like listening to people's opinions, or I wouldn't be on here, but surely then I am allowed to give mine?

You can't slag me off for having an opinion and then say I have to listen to other people's opinions, surely then you should listen to mine?

Unsure also where I said we do not need a midfielder, your post is correct, we need a midfielder, you are mostly correct about the players (although you deliberately missed out Cleverley and Kagawa and I think Carrick is better than mediocre).

I didn't mention any players so unsure what you mean by them winning the champions league? We are not as good as Barca or Madrid, but then again, neither were Chelsea...

Also, I have just taken much time to read exactly what you said 5 times, and I am struggling to find on the post where you said Dembele was the most realistic signing. You actually said it 'ruins any chance we had of addressing our midfield issues' like Dembele is the best player in the world.

Oh and you know our midfield that was 'destroyed at weekend'? They won the match.

GDS

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GDS

I purposely left out Kagawa and Cleverley as I honestly have not seen enough of them to rate them and the same could be said for a lot of the posters on this site although it seems 1 game can now determine if you're world class but if you were to ask me about them I'd say Kagawa has done well so far but people seem to be getting carried away a little bit and Cleverley is grossly overrated through no fault of his own I might add!

Flimbo

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28 Aug 2012 22:24:18
Rooney isn't actually great at anything, his goal scoring is 60% penalties...his passing and first touch aren't brilliant.

The Moon

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Last i checked, he had 6 penalties out of the 26 league goals that he scored in the league last season.

I am sorry i used a calculator(hehe), but that accounts to 23.07%! 60%??

True what Floyd said, "There is nothing called the DARK SIDE of The Moon, as a matter of fact its all DARK".

Deeps...

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I think you've made yourself look a right t*t there Moon. How you can say Rooney isn't great at anything just beggars belief and I for one will now be ignoring any posts you make on this site as you spout complete and utter garbage mate.

Flimbo

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Moon
rooney appearances and goals in the last 3 years
2010. 44 apps 34 goals
2011. 40 apps 16 goals
2012. 44 apps 36 goals

ronaldos last 3 years at united.
2007. 53 apps 23 goals
2008. 49 apps 42 goals
2009. 53 apps 26 goals

RVN last 3 years at united
2004. 44 apps 30 goals
2005. 27 apps 16 goals
2006. 47 apps 24 goals

I think rooneys stats stand up pretty well for someone who isnt great at anything.

It would seem that some people dont appreciate what they have until its gone .
rooneys scored them goals while carrying the goals scoring and creative aspects of the team.
lets see what he can do with players of the class of kagawa and rvp around him.
jred

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28 Aug 2012 21:51:50
If Rooney was to leave next summer(and i'm not saying he will do) who would you want to see replace him?

Personally i can only see him moving to 3 maybe 4 clubs(City, PSG, Madrid or maybe Chelsea). The most obvious one is City. And i'd let him go as long as we got Aguero in exchange. But this is unlikely to happen.

But who realistically could replace Rooney?

Shappy {Ed007's Note - I could try and sort out a swap for Gary Hooper.....}

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Falcao if available. Shahram. I would swap them today

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Hmmmm i'll pass bond mate. Btw am i the only one who sniggered when i heard Rooney got some gash on his upper thigh? lol.

Shappy

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Ed007 - thought you would try a swap for a certain Wigan player!

Mike {Ed007's Note - There is another injunction in place. I need to watch what I say.}

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28 Aug 2012 21:50:48
Still laughing at the post on rumours page about Kagawa on loan to Bolton! How someone fabricated it is beyond belief let alone those who pressed believable.

RMD

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28 Aug 2012 21:46:30
Makes sense in my opinion that spurs have agreed a fee with dembele! Means utd can try and sign him in 2 years time for 3 times that amount! Always let players like that get away!

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28 Aug 2012 21:29:16
I was just wondering, what qualifies a player to be too old?

at what point are they seen as to old, I don't understand.

It used to be 35, then 30, then 29 and now people at 27.

IMO old depends on the position so I would say that;

GK: 41/42
FB: 31/32
CB: 34/35
WM: 30/31
CM: 34/35
ST: 33/34

that's just my opinion though, obvious it's all individual, I mean look at Di Natale still running 300 MPH in his 30's.

players like Scholes and Pirlo are still playing at the top as well as players like Friedal.

feel free to let me know what you would actually consider too old?

I think we're in an era where we think to much about the sell on value incase the player flops rather than how he can actually help us progress as a team.

opinions?

Regulars, eds, no names, anybody?

The Moon. {Ed007's Note - I'd say you aren't far off with them Moon(man). As you say there are always exceptions. I am with you on this sell on value thing, last summer people were saying it about Sneijder but nobody mentioned it about RVP this year. What was Rio or Vidic's sell on value? If a player comes in and is successful (winning trophies), does it matter what money can be recouped by selling him on. Forgetting all the behind the scenes financial politics, is there ONE Utd fan out there that is glad Ronaldo left because of the £80 million banked, everyone would have rather he stayed here until he retired.}

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I don't think age can be measured this way. It varies player to player, not position to position - look how long Maldini played at full back (or Phil Neville) and how long Nedved played wide. Ashley Cole is 32 now and still has at least a couple of years in him.

There's lots of other factors involved. Did the player get overplayed as a youngster and build up a backlog of injuries they can't recover from? Are they mentally strong enough to stay fit into their mid-30s? Is there game just based on pace so likely to fade sooner? Are they intelligent enough to be able to adapt their game as they get older?

In the same way, players peak at different ages. RVP's hitting his peak now, whereas Owen peaked at 23/24.

One thing I do think is that older players will really struggle over the next 3/4 years because the game is changing to be possession based. Unless they have strong technique and can move the ball on quickly, they are going to get replaced in the next 18/24 months with players coming through who have been brought up to that more modern way of playing.

DarkLard08

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I think old nowadays really means "no resale value". I think it's silly to say a player is too old, if they are fit able and have the talent then they aren't too old. For me a player who's too old is a player who is no longer capable of playing football to the standard of the level his club are at.

Shappy

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28 Aug 2012 21:27:35
Well i with the window nearly shut i thought i'd assess our transfer activity.

We have to start with the big signing. RVP, i'll admit i wasn't too sure about signing him originally but with Rooney's injury he sure looks like an inspired signing now. Theres not much you can say about him, he's world class, top scorer last year and is prem proven. The things going against him are his age and injury record. But there is no reason why he can't be a top player for us for 4/5 years if he stays injury free, which he has for the last season or so.

Then we move on to the signing of the summer.....Shinji Kagawa. I watch alot of german football and Dortmund in particular. I was crying out for us to sign this kid and when we did it was like all my christmas' had come at once. He will be recognised as a world class superstar by the end of the season.

Now we have the odd signing of the summer, Alex Buttner. I say odd more so because of Sir Alex's comments over the summer. At the start of the summer he said LB was an area he needed to look at. This implied that we were looking at signing a new LB this summer. Then when we signed Buttner he said he was forced into a move for him due to other clubs coming in for him. This would imply that he had no intention of signing Buttner THIS summer. Now this to me looks like Buttner was very much second or even third choice this summer but for some reason we missed out on our first choice target. Which leaves us with a talented player but one whom Sir Alex didn't plan for at the start of the summer. So he is something of a gamble, he'll either turn out to be an inspired signing or a flop. I'm hoping for the former.

Nick Powell looks like he could also turn out to be an inspired signing, he looks very talented and not out of place in a squad full of superstars. He could end up a key player for us in a season or two's time. There has been a decent amount of success with signing lower league youngsters recently in the prem. Walcott has faltered to decieve, where as Oxlaid-Chamberlain looks like a star in the making. The two welsh lads have had polar opposite careers since moving to the top flight, Ramsey started like a whirlwind but blew out just as quick after his injury, where as Bale took his time to find his feet. Hopefully Powell can be like AOC and Bale and make ths grade.

Angelo Henriquez, not yet official but just a matter of time now. He looks for all the world like a future superstar, his control vision passing and shooting are already top notch, if he continues to improve at his current rate we should have a future top scorer and performer in the prem and even europe.

So we've signed two world class players, two future potential world class players and one lad who is a bit of a gamble where he could be a solid squad player or a great first teamer. All in all a great summer. If we could just get Dembele before the window slams shut then i think this will have to go down as one of our best ever summers.

Shappy

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I like your posts I read them when on the throne

CAIN

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28 Aug 2012 20:10:51
Falco to Chelsea. That's a good buy and looked awesome against Bilbao.

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I think the Chelsea board were getting a bit nervous. I was a little worried after missing out on Hulk and Cavani they may go for Lewandowski and I want him at this club next summer.

Sydney!

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Can you just explain how any of that is related to United in anyway?

The Moon.

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Dont think he has done much since "rock me amadeus"personally. Bookedredmole

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Sydney, why do you want Lewandowski now we have Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Hernandez and Henriquez? I'd like Isco/Muniain and Dembele.

RedDevil19

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Moon
cos chelsea are a rival and if they sign falco they will have a very good team.

not sure its true tho
jred

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Moon we have been linked to falcao in the past!

Caolán.

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Falcao, hulk and cavani are all better players than lewandowski, now and always

Paul tinhead Tinsley

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Syd, is the falcao/Chelsea thing a Rumours or fact. He is awesome and they will be a tough to beat

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I don't want Lewandowski, and i'm abit of a fan of Dortmund's. He's good but wasteful and isn't much of a team player, and he isn't prolific enough to be as greedy as he is. Dortmund play very attacking football and create lots of chances, a top striker imo should be getting 30-35 goals a season in that team both Rooney and RVP would easily. Welbeck IMO is a better all round player than Lewandowski, the only area Lewandowski out performs Welbeck is how many he scores but like i said he shoots so often and get so many chances that he's have to be awful to score less.

Shappy

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28 Aug 2012 20:09:40
My thoughts:
Sel Berba
Sell Nani 25m and give Larnell Cole a chance as a backup to Valencia
Bring in Javi Martinez

Your thoughts?

Dan

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Martinez has signed for Bayern

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Martinez seems out of reach financially.

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Larnell Cole is some way from being ready for the first team, even as back-up.

Martinez will sign for Bayern in the next 48 hours for a massive fee - maybe 45-50m Euro.

DarkLard08

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Good at least city don 't get him. That spoiled brat Mancini just won't shut up about wanting more money to go buy more players. They have spend I read somewhere 500 in the last 3 years and he still wines. Overrated piece of s.....t

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28 Aug 2012 19:49:59
Anyone heard anything of Fabregas being told he has no plce at Barcelona?

Pardoe

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This is almost certainly true, given he's started both the league games this season, and come on as sub in the Spanish super cup.

DarkLard08

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29 Aug 2012 03:17:30
It's a twitter rumour.

The original article is a reporters point of view wondering where he'll fit in considering his passing ability and general midfielding abilities aren't as good as Xavi or Iniesta's so he can't play there well and that Sanchez, Pedro, Villa & Messi are the players who should be in the attacking role.

The Moon.

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28 Aug 2012 19:23:47
This is really funny, last year I came on the site and said we needed a player like tioti, las diarra, fallani and dembele and ppl said they weren't good enough. They said we "have" youth coming through and our team was strong enough. We lost on goal dif but does that really justify anything? We had team to finish off and we were just not up to it. We've had a midfield problem for a few season going and the most important part is yet to be addressed. We will see what happens by the 31st.

Regarding Rooney, people seem to be biased because its MUTD. If they were true to themselves they would see that rooney is just above averagely good players. Fans complain about chico not controlling the ball but rooney does the same. Chico cannot dribble, but Rooney is the same. Welbeck is a better dribbler than Rooney. Lets be honest, if Rooney was playing the way he is now for another team how many would want him? better yet, if he wasn't english so many emphasis wouldn't be on him, thus the hype. The season he scored 40 goals and Real came knocking is the only time another club has shown interest in him. BTW, how many English players you see moving abroad to play? Not many, why is that?. I'm glad that others share the same thoughts as I.


diego

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Everyone is obsessed with midfield. Yes it may need strengthening but... Last year we lost Cleverley and Vidic for most of the season. I believe our main issue was the failure to kill games off when ahead. We started well with some big scores but then struggled, sometimes in games we would have expected to win easily. It was a very odd season all round with all the big teams losing more games than they normally would. Vidic is back, Cleverley is another option in the middle, Kagawa delivers creativity, RVP will hopefully up the goal tally. Yes we could do with another option in midfield but let's not lie awake worrying about it.

AJH

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You must have said it under a different name Diego mate because I cannot find a post from you saying we should buy Dembele as far back as 2010.

Sydney!

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Detective Sydney! strikes again lol.

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Sydney Holmes does it again ;)

Well done syd.

GDS

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Nah I was genuinely interested in reading Diego's post from last year, but never found it.

Sydney!

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I'm thinking you need to get out more Syd.

AJH

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28 Aug 2012 18:53:17
@Shahram - Liverpool will be lucky to finish sixth. You seem to have quickly forgotten the West Brom game. Are you a Pool fan by any chance?
1) Man United
2) Man City
3) Chelsea
4) Arsenal
5) Spurs
6) Everton
7) Newcastle
8) Liverpool
-MB-

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I think Liverpool will finish around 8th too. I would say they have a weaker squad now than they had last season. The City game told us nothing. Liverpool always raise their game at home to a top club, the WBA result would be a closer measure of where Liverpool truly are.

Sydney!

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Add to the list that Swansea and fulham will be above Liverpool

Mike

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So are you not conveniently forgetting the City game as well?

I think Liverpool will have a fairly good year, better than last year anyway.

1) United
2) City
3) Arsenal
4) Chelsea
5) Liverpool
6) Spurs
7) Everton
8) Newcastyle
9) Swansea

Norwich, Villa & Reading will go down IMO.

The Moon.

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And west brom, Wigan, Aston villa, qpr etc lol.

Bryn Mez

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I have been a united fan for the last 37 years of my 45 years mate. I watched the game and it was my observation. It will be very packed league table 4th to 7th place. Anyway we will see as the season progresses.

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I actually think Liverpool will struggle more than that this season - 10th or 11th. They have very little behind the first team, and they are going to throw some games away as they get used to Brendan Rodgers' style (Sunday being a case in point).

If the LFC board stick with him, I think he'll come good next season, but I doubt he'll get the time he needs and will probably be out of work come February.

DarkLard08

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28 Aug 2012 18:53:03
I think everyone needs to chill to regards of Rooney hes never going to leave UTD.

R 17

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What!! Never?

Sydney!

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28 Aug 2012 18:49:14
Can I ask why my post was ignored this morning, si I won't make the same mistake if I decide to post again. There certainly weren't too many other posts coming through, some were rumours, some comments, some opinions - so do yoy censor on the basis of what you want to see or what is your criteria? Your comments would be appreciated {Ed007's Note - I can assure you that your post wasn't ignored, somebody will have read it. It might not have been posted but it wasn't ignored.}

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Grow a pair bro serious ......... Fingers crossed this one gets tru!!!....

CAIN

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28 Aug 2012 18:47:25
Who the same Hazard and Kagawa that didnt go to the Euros?

Clg
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i don't think he realises where japan is, don't pick geography for you GCSE'.

JK92

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Throw in there the fact Belgium didn't qualify as well.

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28 Aug 2012 18:19:15
I have an important question for Sydney! What's with the exclamation mark?

AJH {Ed007's Note - It's his name that's with it.}

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Clearly, but I can't help reading his name in a slightly surprised way... {Ed007's Note - It's just a rollercoaster of emotions on here.}

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Blame the parents, it's on my birth certificate.

Sydney!

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Touché Bond!

DodgyBanter

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I believe they were expecting a Susan but got a surprise !

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28 Aug 2012 18:14:16
What a load of tosh,it was always about the money with rooney,he embarrassed saf and held the club to ransom,he also would struggle to make the worlds top 25 now.i was wondering when he would start complaining,cause he will not like it one bit that an arsenal player has just strolled in and relegated him to the bench
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Nobody relegated Rooney to the bench, he was on the bench for one match. Last season we couldn't afford to leave him out in any game and that's no good for any club to rely on one player so much.

We signed rvp so that if Rooney is off form the whole team isn't off form. Do you think we would have won against fulham at home last season without Rooney, because I don't.

Most players are rotated, just because we have relied on Rooney so much for the last 2 seasons doesn't mean he is leaving because he was on the bench for 60 minutes. You do realise he came on and has played more minutes than the lad from arsenal don't you?

What a massive overreaction to one player being on the bench who most people on here would have had on the bench anyway after the everton game.

GDS

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Exactly. The only 2 players guaranteed to be starting every game were Rooney and Evra if fit, and we've seen over the last 2 years how both the lack of competition and lack of rest has affected their form. Mort

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28 Aug 2012 17:40:31
Well, well, well...I tried to warn you about Shrek. He is a self indulgent superstar who cares little for your club.

Now all of a sudden he's not 'world class'???

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

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Why are you having little digs blair? you know our team is far from perfect yet so whats the point in arguing with other fans? Even without Rooney they are still a better team than us at the moment. cheers

Danny

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He's also not leaving but lets wait 12 months for when your sorry lot limp in 10th and Suarez, Reina, Agger and Lucas all bang in their transfer requests.

PS

I see ol Svennis has advised mr loyalty himself he needs to leave scouseland to win a league medal.

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Blair!

how's it going mate :).

Rooney is more than welcome at United but he hasn't been Mr. Manchester United since the outburst and he never will be again.

He has also never been world class. he's shown promise of being world class since he was 22/23 but that ship has well and truely sailed.

Nice to see you back....it's been a little dull without your awfully incorrect posts ;).

The Moon.

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A fully fit Rooney would walk into any team on this planet. Look how strong we are Blah, we can afford to leave Rooney on the bench. One decent midfielder away from top spot.

Sydney!

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'look how strong we are'??
I must read a different page than you Sydney because every time I waste a few minutes on here I see your buddies moaning about your team! (don't mind if I borrow your exclamation mark do you?)
The majority seem to think you have a very poor midfield (can't disagree there) Nani usually comes in for some verbals,least said about Vera the better.
Rio well past it, De Gea yet to reach it, McBluster still seeing no value in the market etc etc etc

Puzzled

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28 Aug 2012 16:29:38

This is really funny, last year I came on the site and said we needed a player like tioti, las diarra, fallani and dembele and ppl said they weren't good enough. They said we "have" youth coming through and our team was strong enough. We lost on goal dif but does that really justify anything? We had team to finish off and we were just not up to it. We've had a midfield problem for a few season going and the most important part is yet to be addressed. We will see what happens by the 31st.

Regarding Rooney, people seem to be biased because its MUTD. If they were true to themselves they would see that rooney is just above averagely good players. Fans complain about chico not controlling the ball but rooney does the same. Chico cannot dribble, but Rooney is the same. Welbeck is a better dribbler than Rooney. Lets be honest, if Rooney was playing the way he is now for another team how many would want him? better yet, if he wasn't english so many emphasis wouldn't be on him, thus the hype. The season he scored 40 goals and Real came knocking is the only time another club has shown interest in him. BTW, how many English players you see moving abroad to play? Not many, why is that?. I'm glad that others share the same thoughts as I.


diego

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I'm really not a Rooney fan and would happily cash in but you seem to be watching a different player. He is very good and can be outstanding, your comments are completely inaccurate. My beef is he doesn't do it often enough and is a little bit Billy Big Time.

AJH

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28 Aug 2012 17:56:17
Very happy with buys but cm could be class , iv question falco ? This guy is lethal best cf iv seen how come no bids for him ?

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28 Aug 2012 17:22:10
After watching Demeble on Saturday i think he would be perfect for our Midfield.
This isn't just a knee jerk reaction as i have liked this player since last season.
This brings me to my friend Anderson....he trotted around like 14 year old dog on it's last legs on Saturday.
He looked overweight and was embarrasing at times trying to catch up with the game.
I can't believe how anybody can defend this player anymore. He has had 5 seasons with us and has gone backwards every year.
Not sure if anybody would buy him but he would be the first out of the door, he is a complete waste of space.

Simmo


Were you watching the game ? Anderson was one of our better performers.

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One reason Dembele looked so good was he was up against Nando.

I thought Nando had a good game until he tired after fulham scored their first goal

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28 Aug 2012 16:13:11
Ok guys promise this is my last Rooney post (well I can't promise but I hope so). You say that he has failed to take that next step up to the world class level. Lets take a look at Messi do you think Messi would be as great without having had players around him like Ronaldinho, Xavi, Iniesta, and even Ibra? The answer is no while we had Ronaldo for a few years he helped lift Rooney to that level that had everyones mouth watering.

I have heard a saying that you are only as good as the team around you and I'm thinking this has stalled his progress. Really he has been our best player not saying last season or whatever but since Ronaldo left Rooney has been the best we have in the team. RVP and Kagawa coming in will help him to step up to that worldclass level and I'm sure he will be dropped here and there unless he catches fire. The point of this post is you need worldclass players around you to get to that level. You can be great by yourself but to reach that level you need some help. Please don't say the inconsistent Nani is worldclass. You can see how Scholes has influenced Rooneys game. Please don't twist this to say I think we need a team full of worldclass players. He just needs help is what I think and we got it so we will see.

Darren-Bermuda

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Awful comparison.

I don't like Messi and I don't believe the hype surrounding him.

But you see, Messi is the best on the planet and weaving in and out of players.

Ronaldo is world class in terms of trickery and mixing pace and power.

Iniesta is world class because nobody can link players like he can.

Rooney isn't actually great at anything, his goal scoring is 60% penalties...his passing and first touch aren't brilliant.

In fact, the only attribute he has which is world class is his determination and work rate.

IMHO he has never been and will never be world class.

Iniesta, Vidic, Messi, Ronaldo, Cole, Lahm and Ozil are world class.

Gerrard, Kompany, Schweinsteiger, Alonso, Torres, Aguero, Valencia, Neymar, Tevez, Silva, Fabregas, Modric, Xavi, RVP, Yaya AND Rooney are the level under world class.

Then you've got players like Mata, Kagawa, Cazorla, Benzema, Mascherano, Pique, Suarez, Balotelli, Sneijder, etc. who play will consistently but can step up to the levels of the players above.

Finally the last 'top quality' players you have include players like; Nani, Di Maria, Skrtel, Bale, Gaitan, Hulk, Van Der Vaart, Lampard, Podolski, Higuain, etc. - all of whom are talented but are that level short of being considered one of the best.

The Moon.

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Seriously, Messi at United with the same talent around him and you would see the difference. Rooney over rated and I have always thought so. sell him now...............

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For the money he earns he shouldn't need any help. Truly great players improve those around them, they do not depend on others helping them perform. Nor do they sulk when things aren't going well. Let's agree to disagree.

AJH

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Moon, seriously its not an awful comparison you just contradicted yourself in your post. If Xavi or Iniesta were at say Stoke do you think they would be worldclass or just great players in an average team? Who would he link well with the truth is Barcelona having them all playing together has made them into worldclass talents. Same with Ronaldo he came into a very good United team and became the talent he is now from playing with better than average players. It is not an awful comparison because at the end of the day Rooney, Kagawa, and RVP could form a great understanding and become as good as any front 3 in the WORLD. That is your opinion but I deeply disagree guess you will have to watch and see Kagawa was brought to play the role that Rooney was asked to play previous seasons. He will be better with them and I personally believe he is able to reach the worldclass level. My opinions may not match yours but Barcelonas' team works so well and is so good because of ALL the players on their team. If they didn't have a Xavi or an Iniesta to get the ball to Messi and teams could focus on just him do you think he would be that great? Answer again is no but Xavi and Iniesta require bodies on them if you focus too much on Messi they are both capable of punishing you. Which is why they are able to link play so well and while Messi is so great at dribbling he could not beat every team every week all by himself. So by your rather lofty expectations Rooney should come out by himself and win games every week even though teams knew he was Uniteds focal point in past seasons so they could focus on him. Now if Nani were more consistent it would help both Rooney and the team but he isn't and while Valencia is good at what he does I would not say he is wroldclass. If you cannot see the point behind my post I cannot force you to your opinion is yours but having RVP and Kagawa and possibly a good CM will greatly improve the team. The players you named all play in really good TEAMS and United are not as good as them IMO but we will move closer with our new signings add a CM and its even closer. Thanks for the banter

Darren-Bermuda

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Moon I disagree with a few of your players and the rating you gave them... Schweiny is world class he would walk into any team including Barcelona imo, Falcao is world class, Xavi is world class, I wouldnt class Valencia, Neymar and Modric in the same bracket as Rooney, RVP, Aguero etc, Benzema is world class and Mata is up with the Tevez's imo

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Okay, maybe I was a little harsh in what or how I said what I said.

to me, the term world class should be reserved for a select, elite group of players who are on a different level to players around them.

Xavi maybe isn't world class as such because you could put Modric in that Barcelona side and you probably wouldn't see a difference.

However Iniesta, Messi, Cole, Vidic, Lahm, Ozil and Ronaldo don't have any competition. they're all the best in their roles and it really isn't up for debate with anybody.

Kagawa for me isn't world class just yet, he still has a lot of proving to do IMO. looks very good so far but still a long way to go I'm afraid.

I think Iniesta in a stoke side would look every bit as good as he does now in all fairness. Would Scholes look good playing in a West Ham side?

You're right, those 3 could form an understanding and collectively be world class but individually Rooney is not, Kagawa still has to prove he's not a flash in the pan (which I'm sure he will) and RVP needs to keep those knees in bubble wrap.

We'll soon see what happens.

If it's any consolation I don't actually think Barcelona are that impressive. I've watched them week in, week out for years now and I think they're overhyped in the same way City are.

Great side, nowhere near the best ever or some kind of footballing version of the globe trotters.

The Moon.

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Lampard should be in the second group highest scoring midfielder in the prem!

jordan

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28 Aug 2012 15:52:54
"Quick question guys.

Wee lad wants Van Persie on his shirt. Will he be 20 for the season, or can he change it if Berbatov or someone else leaves before the window closes?

StevieK"

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I think we will see Berba leave this window, with Rooney leaving next window. Lewandowski will come in and take number 9, and RVP will take number 10.

Personal opinion only, ofcourse.

MPez

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They wont change his shirt number mid season. There would be uproar from the fans who already bought shirts. Next season is a different story entirely, however.

TK-Red

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I don't think Rooney will ever leave why do all you lot think he's going to leave why would you want him to leave

Ross

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Ross

I said Berba mate, not Rooney.

He went for Kagawa in the end - awkward wee bugger.

StevieK

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Ross, no one has said they want Rooney to leave. People need to understand the difference between what people want to happen and what people think will happen. I do not want Rooney to leave next summer, but I think he will leave. I have given my reasons to why I think this.

Sydney!

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Actually, I'd like him to leave if we get £40M+, too good to turn down for a player who doesn't do it often enough...and who is too full of himself. Just my view...

AJH

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Sydney!, StevieK, I think Ross was talking about MPez's comment "with Rooney leaving next window" and "RVP will take number 10"

Tommy

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Fair enough Tommy, my bad :)


StevieK

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28 Aug 2012 15:39:18
All this Rooney talk sounds rubbish. Fair enough we have too many strikers, but he's out for a while now so we need cover. Get rid of Berba, maybe loan Hernandez?

Brooksy

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We need cover for our strikers so you think it would be a good idea to sell/loan another 2?

We only play with 1 striker, the other is the CF/CAM in Kagawa.

Therefore we have; RVP, Welbeck, Hernandez, Macheda, Berbatov and Rooney as our scoring forwards.

1 of them is injured, leaving us with 5 strikers, I don't see a problem do you?

The Moon.

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I'd more suggest RVP, Welbeck, Hernandez and Rooney as the 4. Hopefully by this time tomorrow Berba has gone and Macheda wont be far behind.

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No name. I would tend to agree with you.

However, as of this very minute we have Macheda and Berbatov.

The Moon.

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28 Aug 2012 15:37:09
Rooney will be going no where this summer i guarantee you! If there is a problem then it will be sorted as it was last time and if its not then he wont go until January at te earliest.

Dan

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28 Aug 2012 15:36:24
LOL, the trolls are out in their numbers. Manc Jack, how long did it take you to come up with that name?

Sydney!

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28 Aug 2012 08:05:51
Just to point out, to anybody who didn't know, Ed002 is a Chelsea fan, and most likely doesn't care much about United.

I hope this stops useless posts asking 002 questions about his view on United players/teams etc. as it not only uselessly cloggs up the site, but also must be annoyong for the editpors to be constantly pestered with questions as such.

MPez"""
dear mr mpez
ngiak for one thoroughly enjoys banter with fellow man united fans
ngiak's favourite banter is with man united haters and those who do not have similar opinions with him
there is not much point of a banter site if there are no differing viewpoints and opinions
this is further enhanced if the views are NOT from a man united fan..
and....
this has nothing to do whatsoever with ngiak having a soft spot for.....002
gan
ps... where is bond when you need him... {Ed007's Note - We all know you only have a soft spot for me Gan, your fan mail is appreciated.}

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Penguin, I agree. What I meant, but obviously didn't get across that well, is that there is no point asking Ed's suh as 002 (CFC) and 001 (LFC) tgeir favoirote United players, predicted Line Ups, players they wish to come in....as frankly they probably couldn't give a flying duck about these sort of things, nor would any opposing teams fans.

Questions as such, are useless to the site.

MPez

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Oh dear, you never realise how horrendous your spelling on an iPhone is until you look back at it...

MPez

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28 Aug 2012 15:13:01
After watching Demeble on Saturday i think he would be perfect for our Midfield.
This isn't just a knee jerk reaction as i have liked this player since last season.
This brings me to my friend Anderson....he trotted around like 14 year old dog on it's last legs on Saturday.
He looked overweight and was embarrasing at times trying to catch up with the game.
I can't believe how anybody can defend this player anymore. He has had 5 seasons with us and has gone backwards every year.
Not sure if anybody would buy him but he would be the first out of the door, he is a complete waste of space.

Simmo

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I beg to differ, I thought Anderson did pretty good, he needs matches.

Supasub

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LOL...you need to watch the match again then mate.

Simmo

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Dembele is what SAF hoped Anderson would be, strong yet creative box-to-box CM.

#ags

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Hello Simmo, I am so sick and tired of people making excuses for Anderson and his weight, saying he is naturally heavy. B******T!
I remember people using the exact same excuses for Andy Reid. Then Andy decided to get extra-fit in the summer of '09 so he could get a good start to his season at Sunderland under Bruce, who had replaced Keane. But as he was getting fitter and fitter he started getting thinner and thinner (imagine that!). He eventually lost 2 stone!
I don't understand how a person who is lucky enough to have an immensely well-paid job at the greatest football club on earth, doing what he loves most in life cannot lose weight. It shows a real lack of character, and lack of respect towards the people who pay to watch him play.
I also don't understand how SAF allows this situation to continue. If, for example, he was in charge of paying peoples wages, and kept paying one particular employee his full wage, even though that employee was always coming in late to work and showed no signs of making an effort to arrive in time, what do you think the Glazers would do? Well? I'll tell you! they would sack both SAF and the employee!

Anderson is here long enough now. Everyone gives him chance after chance. This has to be his last year - if he doesn't prove himself he really need to go next summer.

Has anyone ever asked SAF about Ando's weight? How did he respond?

J Bones.

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J Bones

Spot on my friend. At last somebody with a brain.

Simmo

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28 Aug 2012 14:51:18
how about a cheeky bid for essien?

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Yes Essian a few years ago, No to Essian of today.

Supasub

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Too old ,too injury prone
TheSpartanred

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28 Aug 2012 14:09:58
Rooney out? I don't think so. Firstly what club is going to pay 50m for him? Except for the obvious City and PSG, everyone is broke, and PSG have just signed Ibra, and city don't need him. Anyway, would it even be possible to pass a medical with a gash like that on his leg? One match on the bench and the papers make up some bullsh1t about him and Fergie having an argument. We have a lot of attacking options now, and therefore we can't play everyone one of them in every game, if he didn't get injured I'm sure he would have started against Southampton, it's just SAF's rotation of the squad, giving everyone a game, and as United fans you should know that, look at last season he changed the whole team every game. Don't believe a word of it. Anyway I still expect us to make one more signing, and I predict it will be announced/ finalised on deadline day.

Jake F

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28 Aug 2012 13:34:46
{banter please ed}

love to see this team:

4231

De Gea
Rafael Vidic Ferdinand Evra
Cleverley Dembele
Valencia Kagawa Young/Nani
RVP

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Yeah I agree mate, good team! Can't wait to see what Buttner's like, and maybe try Kagawa on the left to see if he can cut inside and create some space. Frees up a spot for Rooney to play in the hole as well. Also would like to see Jones in central midfield some times, as I honestly don't think we'll be buying anyone else.

Andy!

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I also think Buttner could do a job instead of young on the LW if needed. He seems to be similar to Alba or Contraeu from what I can tell from the little of seen of him.

Supasub

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28 Aug 2012 13:34:11
no team would want to sell their best players now so we would have to pay over the odds for dembele or any other player we are hoping to sign and considering that we have already paid over the odds for rvp(totally worth the cash we paid), i think we would only buy someone if we sell nani.I am really hoping we buy a good cm .

__its me

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Do you know the meaning of over the odds? 'Totally worth the cash we paid' is not 'over the odds' so your post makes no sense!

GDS

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28 Aug 2012 13:24:30
Why do people presume simply because Rooney had one bad game and sub the next hes automatically going to be sold? pretty ridiculous statement.. If we sell him were back at square 1 and obviously it wont happen just stupid speculation

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It's not a case of whether we think he's going to be sold, we're simply discussing what would happen IF he were to be sold.

The Moon.

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28 Aug 2012 13:18:44
Come on all United fans, Ed's and Sydney. Let put money where our mouths are....

With less than a week left who do you think we will sign...............
My guess is no one I think are spending is sadly over and with that i really think we will struggle in the middle this season.

Would be good to see who is in the know.

PBMUFC {Ed004's Note - I would guess Dembele}

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I'm going to say Dembele also. Perhaps Kurt Zouma too and if Nani goes then Isco to come in.

RedDevil19

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Dembele makes sense if we get a good price. A good season will see his value double

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Wud like to see Witsel or Strootman as they are more cm/dm where as dembele more attacking midfield.
JB

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If Nani really is up for sale and we can get 25-30 mil for him & 5 for berba, I would like to see M'Vila, Dembelle and Isco for 40m.......

5 already bid for Dembelle + the 35 from Sales....

It is late in the day but all 3 are on the market or open to offers and I think, 15 for M'Vila and then 25 joint amount between Dembelle & Isco would get all 3....

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Dembele's not an attacking midfielder. He's a classic, box to box central midfielder.

Andy!

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I,m going for witzel plus isco if nani goes
onecut

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I'm saying we won't sign anyone but I would happily be wrong. Berbatov and Macheda will go before the window shuts.

Rjmanutd

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If anyone, 1 x signing, either Dembele or Witsel. IMO, even if Nani's sold, we won't replace him til January or next summer - not enough time for what will definitely be on-going, lengthy negotiations (if we're targeting guys like Munian, Rodriguez.....if SAF decides to go cheap, we could probably sign some Mexican or Chilean for a few mill on deadline day).

I'll be glued to the screens all night Friday, I always enjoy it and still remember my heart leaping at 12:01am when Berbatov was announced, haha!

RED_SKY

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I am going to say nobody as the Glazers desperately try and sell to bring some cash into their pockets. I AM KLOOT

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Ah KLOOT, you always brighten up my day mate :)

StevieK

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This post has nothing to do with the Glazers Kloot, I was getting abuse for bringing them up all the time, but you just won't leave it.

We bid for Moura and have not spend that money yet, so money is available. Maybe we need to sell Nani to balance the books, but I would be quite happy for us to do that.

GDS

GDS

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KLOOT, so you think the Glazers will take dividends then do you?

Sydney!

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I'm saying dembele and herrera, with berbs and nani being shown the door

Chris Pimmy

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I believe if we sell nani, we won't buy anyone. I actually believe saf that he is done with his summer buys shahram

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28 Aug 2012 12:57:32
Can anyone tell me why M'Vila is so cheap, and why he hasn't been picked up by a better team. Is he really that moody and disruptive? Please someone enlighten me.

On another note, I see the Dembele rumours are gathering pace. Where would people play him? Some posters are putting him (or M'Vila) beside Cleverly. With SAF's obvious affection for Carrick, I can see him playing both Carrick and Dembele as the center-mids.

Which leads me onto;

Finally, as an underage coach, one of the things we teach youngsters is to always look forward first when playing the ball. Does SAF teach our players to look sideways, because that's what it looks like to me. The midfield play, especially against Everton was a disgrace, either SAF and his coaches are not doing their jobs, or the players are not good enough, which means SAF is not doing his job by buying players who can.

Any opinions?

J Bones.

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I believe the M'vila problem is off field issues possibly with management although the latter I'm not certain of, I think he had a falling out

Pardoe

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The modern game requires you to move defences around to create space to go forward, hence the sideways (and backward) passing you see. The critical thing in the game now is that you protect possession, because losing the ball at the top level, when you have players committed to attack, nearly always gives up scoring opportunities to the opposition (because of the speed teams counter at).

One of the biggest problems with the game in England over the last ten / fifteen years has been the desire to always play forward and look for a "Hollywood" pass in preference to working an opening.

Everton wasn't great, but a lot of that was because of their extreme discipline in defence. We do need to look to play through opponents more than we did against Everton, but I think that will come as Cleverly, Kagawa, RVP and Rooney get more used to playing alongside each other.

DarkLard08

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I agree to a point DarkLard08, but a lot of the problem I think is the failure of the middle 2 to make forward runs. We were too static, and the return of Carrick to midfield will not improve things. The game opened up considerably after the goal when Kagawa started coming back into midfield to pick up the ball. I thought he was too far forward throughout the first half. I agree about Everton - they were extremely disciplined.

J Bones.

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28 Aug 2012 11:58:39
Hi, first time poster here. While I have no concrete rumours (no sources, as some others claim to have) I don't believe our spending is over. We need a midfielder to give us more solidity and I believe that Dembele or Witsel will be coming our way and that a few others will be offloaded.

I don't think we will buy another defender as our injuries in this area are hopefully short term. We can have a good season once our new players get used to each other, though I think City, Chelsea and maybe even the scousers, will make it another close run title race.

The General

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General,

I don't think Everton will be quite good enough to get involved in the title race.

If we get Dembele we have the squad to challenge on all fronts, I think everybody on here would agree with that. The bonus would be if we have found a new 'Solskjaer / Vidic / Schmeichel' in Buttner and he turns out to be class.

GDS

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28 Aug 2012 11:48:20
not so much a rumour but an wish: swap Nani, Anderson and Berba for Gareth Bale - Sign Dembele from Fulham (United's YaYa) to re-join the fight with Barca, Real and (sorry to say) Chelski and Citeh

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I'd maybe consider a straight swap of Nani for Bale, but it would never happen. I'd much prefer to sell all three, probably get around 28 million up front (rising to around 35). With that we could bring in Dembele and Isco. A solid midfielder plus a good replacement for Nani.

Andy!

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Saf wii never sell these three guys for 28 mill. Try more in the 40 to 45 mill neighborhood . Shahram I do hope nani is sold

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28 Aug 2012 11:33:12
Quick question guys.

Wee lad wants Van Persie on his shirt. Will he be 20 for the season, or can he change it if Berbatov or someone else leaves before the window closes?

StevieK

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He'll be 20 for the season. There was a situation the othe year with Bendtner changing his number at Arsenal after the start of the season and Arsenal refunded those who got the first number I think. I doubt we'd let him change.

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Cheers mate.

StevieK

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28 Aug 2012 11:18:09
Alot of whispers Richardson is movin from Sunderland to Fulham ....... Which has me thinking I know spurs would be interested in dembele but could it be our interest in the player tat has made them look for replacements ...... I think it's dembele that we are in for but the eds reckon its witsel to be honest ether or would do

CAIN

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About a month or two ago, I saw Dembele as a conveniently cheap option to the rugged CM we need.

Having paid closer attention to him, he does indeed look a cracking player and if we sign him, I'll be thoroughly happy with our summer business.

If we don't sign MD or a player of his calibre/style, we won't win a thing this season. Too lightweight in the middle, same as last year.

RED_SKY

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RED_SKY, told you mate ;)

Sydney!

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Syd,

Yeah I know, I will admit I've been proven wrong whether we seen him or not. I'd always dismissed him as being 'good' not 'excellent' and at OT, was the first time I'd really paid attention to a) how effing BIG he is and b) how nimble he is for his size.

I just hope we sign him or someone of his ilk.

RED_SKY

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28 Aug 2012 09:55:04
If Nani is sold then I think we need, and should be able to get two players in before the window shuts. Those two players should be Isco and Dembele as they are available and would imrpove the squad. If Nani left we would have two proper wingers in Valencia and Young with Kagawa, Isco and Rooney being attacking midfielders similar to that of City with Nasri and Silva. Isco is left footed I believe also so we could play:

____________DDG
Rafa__Ferdinand__Vidic__Evra
______Dembele__Clevs
Valencia____Kagawa____Isco
____________RVP

That would possibly be the line up whilst Rooney is injured. Isco I expect would cost £10 million and Dembele perhaps £15 million at most - all of that money would be raised by selling Nani for the speculated £25 million (which I think is a bit cheap - we could easily get £30 million).

RedDevil19 {Ed004's Note - I would prefer Muniain to Isco. I think attacking options of Kagawa, Muniain, Rooney, Valencia, and Young, supporting RVP, Welbeck and Chicharito would be awesome. However I would love Isco brought in for the money we get for Berbatov and I still would love Dembele but I can't see us making that many changes}

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I'd also love Muniain, but Bilbao will want rediculous amounts of cash where as Isco is obtainable. That amount of changes is unlikely, but its something that I'd like to see as we'd be a more modern team with them.

RedDevil19

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28 Aug 2012 09:44:16
Ed004 talk to me .... If you can't tell me Wat player we will sign can you tell us his position

CAIN {Ed004's Note - I have no information on who we will sign I am hoping we sign a midfielder mate}

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28 Aug 2012 09:05:38
When Rooney did his thing last year threatening to walk out I had no doubt in my mind that he would stay. I dont believe he did it to try and harm the club, I belive he wanted the club to match his ambitions.

He wanted world class players around him at United and this season we have seen us do that, although it has backfired on him a little as we have bought two worldies in his position.

Also he is tipped as one of the worlds best 5 players so surely he had the right to ask for more money no?

I just believe what he did has helped us alot.

1redarmy

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1redarmy

tbh mate, I'd have preferred him to get down in the trenches with players like Evra, and help the team through a transitional period, rather than spit his dummy out and try and blackmail us.

StevieK

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Your same logic says that City won the league because of Tevez. I AM KLOOT

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What a load of tosh,it was always about the money with rooney,he embarrassed saf and held the club to ransom,he also would struggle to make the worlds top 25 now.i was wondering when he would start complaining,cause he will not like it one bit that an arsenal player has just strolled in and relegated him to the bench

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One of the top 5 players in the world? He's not in the top 5 in the Premier League.

AJH

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28 Aug 2012 08:14:25
Nani loves playing for United but hates the weather. Can u really see him wanting to go to Russia. He sports gloves, long sleeves with polo neck under armour snug tops under his United shirt in Aug/Oct games.

Yeah, if a bid comes in for 20-25m United may consider selling. Thing is it takes two to tango and Nani won't dance.

Italy or Spain he'd prefer.

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28 Aug 2012 08:18:31
I for one will never look at Rooney in the same light as i used too because of the way he went about the fiasco, but i tell u what i wouldnt like the pressure of trying to find another 30+ goals a season striker that will do it in the PL to replace him, so he is unfit, and his form suffered a bit from it. last time i checked us united fans get behind our players not discard them so quickly on 'paper stories'.
KLOOT u ask when he last dominated a game? Arsenal 8-2? Chelsea 3-3? Liverpool 2-1? to name a few last season, now he has support in Kagawa, and RVP he will only shine as he did when we had Tevez and Ronaldo or we let him go for 50m and when we come up short u come on here slating fergie for selling our top goal scorer last season with out proper cover.
(sorry about the length again lol)

Chris the REDman"""
dear mr chris the redman
the fact is that mr wayne rooney has brought this onto himself
he fought to be the highest earner... why?
cos of his performances ON the field (hopefully not those off it...)
thus to justify his rant and tantrums and his standoff of the great institution called manchester united
he jolly well justify it week in, week out
he got what he wanted, and the club and fans CERTAINLY are justified in the expectations put on his shoulders for him to comply TOTALLY with his end of the bargain
granted his value is not only in the goalscoring department
it includes the huge work rate and his versatility in other positions
but he is at the best club in the world being paid the best wages in the world...
mr i am kloot certainly has all the benefit of the doubt in his criticisms
and your 3 games in the whole season you mentioned... certainly does not help your own argument, dear sir... rooney should be as "stand out" as a certain ronaldo or a messi... etc who perform on a weekly, if not daily, basis
gan
ps... the other fact is...ngiak is not the biggest fan of mr i am kloot in terms of shared opinions but they go back a long long way

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I find the Rooney debate very tricky. I am not a Rooney fan and find myself constantly frustrated with his performances after matches, and then start to rant and rave about all of his negative qualities, but on reflection, the debate really comes down to one question; Would you want Rooney on your team or on the oppositions' team? and I am erring on the side of our team.

On the one hand, Rooney has been off form for the last 2 years IMO and has not looked like the player his potential promised him to be (and for his country he has been DISMAL), but on the other, an off-form Rooney scored 30+ goals last season.

On one side of the coin, he works his socks off for the team showing passion, commitment, a work-rate of the highest level, and on the other side he is never in position when we need him, always man-marked and missing from games almost as if he is trying too hard.

I have a hard time accepting his wages. I have said this for the past 2 seasons (and was laughed at by many on this site for all of a sudden people to be getting on board with the Rooney debate) that a player being paid over 200k a week should be putting in performances of the highest calibre, week-in, week-out, but he doesn't! He is not up to the standard of Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi etc, etc but is paid in line wih them.

It is a conundrum. An enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a myth, but I think I would prefer Rooney to be fighting for my team rather than against it. I only hope that Kagawa and RVP can get the best out of him because he could be devastating, but if that does not happen soon, I would not mind if he was sold next season.

FredtheRed

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So your saying rooney should be winning us games on is own week in week out? Sorry last time i checked we aint liverpool and place all of our hopes on one player, we are a team of great players not one of ordinary players and 1-2 really good players.
So u say he is getting paid best wages at united, so wot? he i think 60+ golas over 2 seasons justify his concerns over where fergie saw united going, im just happy the answers was forward, and with the signing of Kagawa and RVP show that.
So critise him all you want, as i said im not his biggest fan off the feild but i tell u wot soon as he steps on he's a VERY IMPORTANT part of our UNITED family and untill he leaves (or if he does) that will remain so!
Why dont u name me an aviable striker out there that would get close to 30+ goals a season then we can debate his stature at the best team in the world.
Chris the REDman

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Chris the REDman

Yes I am saying he should be winning games for us ALONG with the team. He is paid the most so should be our best performer within the team, and he isn't.

30+ goals in a season is not an amazing tally. I remember when Ruud scored over 40! The main striker at a club should be scoring 30+ (or very close).

In today's footballing world a persons off-field antics are directly related to his on-field antics. If a player has a bad off-field rep. then he will bring the club into disrepute and his performances could suffer for example when Rooney was found out to be a cheat.

I think we signed an available striker who is more than capable of scoring 30+ goals a season.

FredtheRed

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Fred that comment was not for u, it was an answer to ngiak.
But while your here i think behind valencia rooney was a very close second to being our most consistent performer last season.
I take it by ure comment on how we have singed a striker that will get 30+ goals a season u are refering to RVP, ok so we have signed another player that has a high tally of goals too, but i dont understand your argument as in your last post u commented how your would edge on the side of having rooney in your team rather than against,so now we have 2 strikers that get by your own comments get a un-amazing tally of between 50-60 goals a season between them. id say that better than having just 1 striker that gets 30+ a season and loses the title on GD! It seems you are just looking for ppl to notice your posst as u have seemed to totally contridicted your own posts now! (maybe im wrong, so plz correct me)
Chris the REDman

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If you read my origianl post more carefully, all will become clear. I can say I would like to keep Rooney and also say his performances have been poor and need to be improved in the same sentence/post and I am not contradicting myself.

50-60 goals is very different to 30!

FredtheRed

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Yaaaay! I agree with Gan at last! :)

StevieK

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So what on earth are we debating? so we both want to keep rooney, we both expect him to perform, so are we debating that having rooney and rvp together is better than not having them? i'm very confused lol

Chris the REDman

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Yeh lol.

FredtheRed

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28 Aug 2012 07:25:49
People say they want Martinez or M'vila etc for midfield, in my eyes theres only one player id have and thats A.Vidal, the guy is in my eyes the best in the world in what he does and i was suprised we didnt move for him when he left Leverkusen, eds do you know of any interest from any team in Vidal.

L.A.7

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Because SAF's transfer policy has become completely insane at times.

We seem to be unwilling to gamble on a player - instead, we wait for them to join another club, prove how good they are, then have to bid double or treble their original price, if we want them.

This, however, doesnt apply when splashing £8million (roughly the same Vidal went for) on a homeless man from Portugal that SAF hadn't even watched play himself.

Baffling.

RED_SKY

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28 Aug 2012 06:00:10
Mvilla in advance talk with spurs.. Availabe for only 14m euro. Worth a punt at that price. He will clear all fuss about him in epl in 2 years time. And then wenger as usuall person his nose..for letting it go and our dear united will want him then at double the price from levy. Not now.. afterall we have to much money. We dont buy such cheap players. We want sagas for transfer. Only struck a deal if a player is in last year of conract. So dear Mr levy.. We wil give 30m to u in 2 years time. Dont worry abt ur finances.

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28 Aug 2012 01:50:23
Just to point out, to anybody who didn't know, Ed002 is a Chelsea fan, and most likely doesn't care much about United.

I hope this stops useless posts asking 002 questions about his view on United players/teams etc. as it not only uselessly cloggs up the site, but also must be annoyong for the editpors to be constantly pestered with questions as such.

MPez

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Surely if the Ed didn't want questions SHE would say. You can't lecture us on an Ed and then call her and man!

GDS {Ed004's Note - She never gives player opinions unfortunately}

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Regardless he does a good job.

And i thought he was a Pool fan?

Cban

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If I may ask, who are the eds that do support United apart from bond?

Nik Legend SA {Ed004's Note - Me and Ed 12 but he isn't around much}

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Ed002 is also a lady if you hadn't guessed

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Also, please please please stop asking for Ed002's opinion, but then disregard or slate the answer when it is not what you wanted to hear!!

DodgyBanter

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Ed004 is a manchester united fan . {Ed004's Note - Yep}

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All Ed's answer to the best of their knowledge, they put up with a lot of crap as it is.

Mpez bit harsh on the wording mateit doesn't matter who she supports she always does her best as do all the Eds

I like many are eager to hear any crumb that could help our team
Pardoe

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Interesting how MPez original post has 14 agrees, but nobody commenting has agreed. They get stranger all the time.

MPez, been busy with that mouse have we?

GDS

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Yes, GDS I have ;). Or maybe Ed002 has..

Pardoe, I never said 002 doesn't do a great job, as believe me she/he/it does. Just have a look on the Liverpool site to see how much of a great job 002 does.

What i'm getting on at is, asking questions about Ed002's favourite United players / team sheets / which transfers she/he/it would like to see etc. as they are useless questions.

MPez

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Who did 002 support before Abramovich took over? {Ed002's Note - Manchester United, except when Liverpool were doing well. If Manchester City do well again this year I will probably switch for next season. It is surprising how many people keep supporting the same team and then get all upset and have rising blood pressure when they are not doing well. I think of when Ed001 changed from Gillingham to Northampton Town and how upset he was at the time.}

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28 Aug 2012 01:32:11
I think if Nani is sold then we should go for Isco to replace him. I see Isco as an attacking mid that could be used anywhere in a 3 behind the striker (all this interchanging positions stuff people talk about ).
If not then I'd like to see a CM bought in, A tough tackling box to box kind of guy, Strootman?

Ed/Syd, are there any young wingers in our under 21s that could step up if needed? {Ed001's Note - in my personal opinion, no, but Cleverley has played wide.}

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I don't think Nani should be sold. It'll just be to balance the books. We won't replace him.
If one of our best players is off, I thought Petrucci played very well coming off the left on pre-season. Lingard also comes in off the left.
We saw Raheem Sterling for that rubbish Mersey team on Sunday, so how about Januzaj getting a little game time.

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Nani was always going to be sold this summer. The club tried to replace Nani with Hazard and then Moura. We lost out on both deals. The manager doesn't like to buy 3rd/4th best targets so we may just wait to see what little gems unravel next summer. People have mentioned Rodriguez and Muniain, but both were being priced at 40m euros. That is far too much for either of them. Only Hazard was worth that kind of money. Other than that there are not too many about. Isco perhaps? I know United liked the look of that Real Betis winger before he had a bad injury (Vadillo).

Sydney!

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I think SAF is a little stubborn syd? I mean Hazzard and Moura are obviously great players (question marks over Moura) but having Munian, Rodriguez or Isco as a back up wouldn't be too much of a drop down.

Sorry I forgot to sign off last night (original post)

1993

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28 Aug 2012 01:25:13
hey guys, so the window is closing on friday, lots of whispers about united in for another player, this will keep us excitited untill then, so just to be curious what are the veterans on this site, strongest team? syd,kloot, edd002?
heres mine 433;
GK-DDG
RB-Rafeal
CB-Vidic
CB-Smalling
LB-Evra
MD-Carrick
MD-cleverly
MD-Scholes
RF- Valencia
LF- Rooney
ST- RVP
It would be nice for a more defencive MD than scholes imo, but id be happy with that

Chris the REDman

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No kagawa then?

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Mine I desperately need more players to fit cleverly in but 2 men behind RVP in a sort of 4-3-2-1 I also still think andrson could do some good to but......
DDG
Rafa
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Carrick

Valencia
Young?

Roo
Kagawa

RVP

As it stands its already hard to fit enough good players into midfield

Pardoe

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_____________De Gea

Rafael_____Ferdinand____Vidic_____Evra
____________Carrick
_____________________Cleverley
Valencia________Kagawa________Rooney
________________RVP


RamoN 19

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Replace Rooney with Kagawa and that's pretty much spot on

Robbo

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That teams crap

Mike Charlie

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Sorry Kagawa instead of Scholes or Clevs
Chris the REDman

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28 Aug 2012 00:03:08
I think everyone is missing my point well a few aren't so I will try again. Everyone on here saying Rooney has been in decline for what 2 years or so and saying move him on is IMO the wrong idea. When you say he drops deep and does what Kagawa does thats because he had to last season who did we have to play that role? Answer is nobody and I can well assure you that he doesn't go on the field and do whatever he wants. TBH the team wasn't that good in midfield last season those of you wondering why he hasn't been at his best is because he was played out of position because he was our best option at the time. I agree that his fitness can use some work and his habits but at least let him get used to being a STRIKER again. Slate him for his ways of getting paid more yes but I believe that with Kagawa and RVP here it will allow him more freedom and less weight on him to express himself. I would rather he rediscover his form with us and form a lethal understanding with RVP and Kagawa then him be farmed out to the highest bidder. I am sorry to all for not hating him for the I want to leave thing last year but I always saw it as something more. Maybe I am wrong but you don't know for sure what his reasoning was behind saying it so really you could be wrong same as I could be. At the end of the day its about how you look at it everyone has their opinion and this is mine. I don't have any sources or insider information but I dont believe that Rooney would do us like that. While I'm at it would love to see Nani moved on tired of staring at the tv begging for him to make the right decision. It's not just one game guys its most games say he has 1 outstanding game out of 6 is that good enough can he not see Valencia beat his man and put the ball in to the box. Flashback a few years when Rooney scored a bunch of headers gonna take an educated guess that 90% of the crosses were from Valencia (at least). Sorry to go on and on guys hope it was worth the read if not you know where the unbelievable button is lol

Darren-Bermuda

ps. Been seeing Fletcher to Sunderland on loan a lot not sure how much truth is in it any idea eds, anyone {Ed004's Note - I don't know if Fletcher will leave but I think it would be a good move for him and the club}

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Rather the disagree button sorry guys lol

Darren-Bermuda

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Darren, my issue is not with the attempt to get a better contract, but that Rooney does not perform well enough often enough. He can appear uninterested and whilst his goals last year were the best he has achieved, he doesn't dominate games as often as a 'world class' player should. He also seems too full of himself and it will be interesting to see how the team performs without him

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Darren

I can't agree on Rooney. He's not the player he was when he was 23/24. He's less instinctive now, and it doesn't suit him. I do still think he is a very good player, but we've let other very good players go and moved on and improved afterwards (RVN, Stam, Becks etc.) All players have a shelf life within a certain team - they start to get predictable in the things that they do, and the team gets predictable too as a result, and I think that's where we are at with Rooney. I hope I'm wrong and he gets his old flair back, but I'm not sure he will without moving away.

I know people go on about him scoring 30 last season. BUT if Dzeko had started as often as Rooney, he would probably have scored 30+. That doesn't make him a great player.

I actually think SAF errs on the side of caution nowadays when it comes to moving players on. He got stung when he probably sold Stam a year or two early, and I'd argue, as a result, he held on to Becks, and probably RVN, 6 - 12 months longer than he would otherwise have done, and I think we might find the same thing being said of Rooney next summer.

Certainly, it's a challenge for Rooney now. He'll have to compete with RVP for a slot in front of Kagawa in the big games, and it'll be interesting to see if he has enough to win that fight. If he does, he'll stay because he'll be back to his best.

DarkLard08

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27 Aug 2012 23:30:51
Eds, in a gods honest truth opinion only, who do you think we are more likely to sign this transfer window? M'villa Martinez Dembele Tiote Cabaye McCarthy Shelvy O'Brien Suvey Jacto Witsel Gaiton Fellaini Quigly Pato Kaka ?? And do u think it will happen by the deadline please?

Sam Tomkins {Ed004's Note - I hope we will sign one more, maybe two if Nani is sold}

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