Manchester United Banter Archive November 28 2011

28 Nov 2011 23:08:25
Although I'd had a massive gutsful of the whole Sneijder saga last summer (and sorry for bringing his name back up too!) but if we could get him between now and next season for £25m or less (and at a not too outrageous-a-salary) i would certainly entertain the idea

would it not be more sensible than bidding up to £40m for the likes of Gotze or other young supertars when we have our own in the making? Cleverly, Pogba, Tunnicliffe, Morrison and so on

Banter please

Gav

28 Nov 2011 20:44:22
Someone asked about Rasmus Elm, well i've only seen him a few times so have limited knowledge on him. From what i've seen he's a decent player he's got Rory Delap's throw in ability Charlie Adam's deadball skills and the passing and movement of someone like Tim Cahill, So IMO unless he could significantly up his game then he'd only be a squad player with us all be it a very good one. He's also spent most of the last two years injured. I think because he's got an excotic sounding name people will listen to the rumour if his name was Micky Smith and he played for Coventry then noone would bat an eyelid. The source is from a swedish newspaper who spoke to his agent, me being scynical thinks this was just abit of a name drop for his agent trying to drum up interest and a swedish paper trying to increase sales.

Shappy

28 Nov 2011 20:22:12
Nice to see Cleverley has joined the twitter family:

@tomclevz23

28 Nov 2011 17:30:02
Heres one for you! Cheap, good on the ball, finds space well, young, potential etc. Would definitely be available in January

Joe Allan at Swansea?


Mick the Moston Red.

P.S Gary Speed RIP, just seen Sky Sports presenter Bryn Law outside Elland Road talking about him, heartbreaking absolutely heartbreaking.

28 Nov 2011 16:55:05
Syd you said that those in and around carrington were not concerned and if this is correct that Paul Pogba is nearing a new long term contract

then you were spot on young man.....

thanks....

hope to see him playing soon

oxred

28 Nov 2011 15:01:45
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United shud av a look at Borja Valero. I think he's one of the most under rated players in Europe. Could probly get him for about £8-10 million. Barca wer lining him up in the summer just in case cesc never happened. He's a class act!

Big Mac {Ed002's Note - Everton, Sunderland and Leicester all looked at the ex-West Brom player. He is a very long way from Barcelona or Manchester United quality.}

28 Nov 2011 14:46:56
to anyone that watches the res's a lot...... there is an interesting article on manutd.com in ref to the youth players coming through the system to the 1st team.. fergie names the following players that are training with the 1st at the mo

Paul Pogba, Ravel Morrison, Jesse Lingard, Zeki Fryers, Larnell Cole and Michael Keane

just wondered how well was Petrucci coming along.

28 Nov 2011 13:26:12
I think that we are five or six players away. A left back, a centre back, two centre mids and depending on sales either a left winger or a striker more likely a striker. Also i don't think we will buy six players more like three and the rest will come from youth.

28 Nov 2011 11:35:36
what does everyone make of de gea so far?
i think he had a shaky start but now he has got used the language and has settled in better he is brilliant, he looks a top goalie and i think he will become a great goalkeeper here and maybe one day become the best.

keightley!

28 Nov 2011 10:49:06
Over the past few weeks of watching United, i really feel that I have come up with quite a good plan for the future. Its bound to be different to what SAF will do - but i think it would be good.

In goal we are sound, i think Amos may move on though as it is so hard for a young goalkeeper to make an impact. Sam Johnstone will probably take his place.

Defensively there may well be changes. At the end of this season, and certainly by the end of the 2012/2013 season Evra and Ferdinand need to be replaced. Im not convinced that either will go this season, but I think that Adil Rami from Valencia would be a fine replacement for Rio. He'd be on 50k a week max, that would be about a 60k p/w saving on wages. Likewise with Evra - Alba, Baines or Izaguirre would be a lot less than Evra. But a part of me thinks that Evra will stay, nurture Fabio and Fryers and then move on.

So that leaves a defence of: Rafael, Fabio, Fryers, Evans, Smalling, Jones, Rami, Vidic.

Midfield is the area for the greatest change, I think all areas could improve. I think two main players could change everything, with a couple of youngsters also. I would get rid of Carrick and replace him with Rodwell - like for like - but better. He would be brilliant box-to-box and i really hope that we can bring him in. The 'landmark' signing i would go for is Ozil - if possible. If not Ozil then Gotze would be wonderful. Playing attacking players of Nani, Rooney and Ozil would be great as they can all swap and move around. Behind them a midfield comprised of either Rodwell, Fletcher, Cleverly, Anderson.

If Ozil came in then Valencia OR Park would have to go, and Giggs would either be fringe or retired. Morrison and Pogba could both be integrated in that system, Morrison could be played in the whole with Rooney pushed up front. That way he doesn't have the pressure of a cm and the responsibility making his integration easier. A young talented winger who is skillful would be on my list - and for his age there is no one better than Vadillo - for 2.5 million in january he is a bargain witha huge resale value.

Midfielders: Rodwell, Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverly, Ozil, Nani, Young, Valencia, Pogba, Morrison, Vadillo.

Up top, there needs to be more departures than in comings. I'd like to se Bebe perform well next season and for him to have his chance. Aside from that-Berbatov and Owen should leave, Berbatov in January and Owen in summer. Perhaps we could swap Macheda with Gabbadini but i think Macheda could be good. Hopefully he can get some game time on loan and have he same impact that Welbeck has had. If we have surplus budget then maybe bring in another 'name' if they are afforddable - i don't think we would do that though. This may seem a bit 'out there' but Del Piero wouldn't be bad for his final season in football, and i think he does want to come here. Alternatively we go for Erick Torres, cheap, quick, skillful and a great finisher. He would be my pic - but Del Piero could be the next Henrik Larsson.

Playing a 4-2-3-1 wouldnt require us to buy another striker, as Rooney either plays behind Chicha, Welbeck or Macheda. Or he plays up top with Ozil behind him.

Forward line: Rooney, Chicharito, Welbeck, Macheda, (Del Piero?), W.Keane, E.Torres.

Just to reiterate thats:

Kuscack, Ferdinand, Evra, Carrick, Park, Giggs, Berbatov, Owen, Diouf, Macheda (loan) and also the likes of Drinkwater, King and James who won't make it. This would take about 400k p/w off of the wage bill. Bringing in just Ozil, Rodwell, Rami, Vadillo and one of Torres/Del Piero would cost significantly less in terms of wages so it makes financial sense. At max it would be a 250k p/w which is a saving of 150k.

I hope you can see some sense in my argument, and would like to here your feedback!

RedDevil19

28 Nov 2011 10:27:54
keightley! {Ed002's Note - You will appreciate that this is a football forum and we cannot enter into discussing the issue you raise.}

28 Nov 2011 10:09:52
I think Liverpool look certain to finish 6th after their two recent results. I was torn between 6th and 7th, but I believe they have 6th place written all over them now. Liverpool fans are celebrating a 1.1 draw at home, but are actually worse off now than they were on Saturday. They got one point Sunday, as did City, Newcastle, United & Arsenal, but Spurs and Chelsea who are in competition for a top four spot ahead of them both moved two more points clear of them. So Perhaps the celebrations are a little silly.

On another note we missed a great chance to close the gap to three points this weekend. City still have to play Chelsea & Arsenal so perhaps there's opportunities to close the gap there? We have now played Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Newcastle & Liverpool so we need to concentrate on winning the rest of the games up until January now. Chelsea still have to play Newcastle, City & Spurs, so we do have a good opportunity to put some points between us and Chelsea.

Sydney!

28 Nov 2011 09:26:23
Fergie has said he wants to sign someone but there are only 3-4 players he thinks are up to it plus he said its very difficult in january. Unlikely that we will sign anyone but what with City in the form that they are and our Midfield in desperate need on new energy could it be possible, i think WS might come in, Inter have had a difficult start and he would cost less than he did in the summer but we will see.

28 Nov 2011 02:24:26
Also, are we thinking that David Silva's no show was due to fatigue (midweek football) or did Liverpool stop him. I couldn't tell.

Joe

28 Nov 2011 02:15:35
"They are always the same, they win (or draw to a bigger team) and they think they are the best team in the world....then they lose to a barnsley or northampton or draw to norwich and swansea...then their fans are saying how poor they are... don't listen to them they talk rubbish."

This is a ridiculous statement. Many United fans do this on here, daily.

A Lot of people supporting different clubs do this, daily.

Don't be so hypocritical, and don't single out Liverpool.

Joe