Manchester United Banter Archive November 28 2017

 

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28 Nov 2017 23:31:43
So we now have our best goal difference at this stage in a season since 2000, boring boring United, wish Jose would stop parking that bus.

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29 Nov 2017 06:53:58
In any other year I think we would win the league but City's start has been incredible. Our next 2 games are critical as if we slip further behind then I can’t see Ity dropping a double digit lead. However, if we beat them then who knows?

We have huge potential. Rashford, Martial and Lingard can all look devastating but can also be anonymous. If they continue to develop and become consistent then they have the talent to hurt anyone.

Everyone is crying out for wide players but I thi;I it is midfield where we have given up a lot of the ball and sometimes been overrun. However, give me a 4-2 any day over a 1-0.

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29 Nov 2017 08:29:04
Lingard is 24/ 25. He needs to be more consistent. Granted, he was a late bloomer in today’s football after numerous loans away.

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29 Nov 2017 08:36:36
Ajh
I a agree with all that, the players are there for some reason people want to make out it's a poor squad but any other season we would be top .
City have raised the bar and produced the best ever start to a EPL season, can they keep it?
United definitely have another gear.

People are very quick to give the defence stick or the attack stick but it's the midfield that hasn't really clicked .
Mata pogba both quiet last night Herrera wasn't great when he come on . Knives out for Herrera on the chat last night .
But plenty more to come from this squad.

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29 Nov 2017 09:45:56
Jred, yes they can keep it up. They have a strong squad and a fantastic midfield and attack. Gundogan and Bernardo Silva haven't even played yet. Both will walk in our team. People are talking as if city's form is a fluke. Guadiola has come in and set the Barcelona system there and we know how efficient that proved.
There will be no major slip up at city. So we have to continue winning and beat them home and away to stand a chance.

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29 Nov 2017 11:20:27
You mean Gundogan would hobble into our team.

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29 Nov 2017 12:47:00
Attack
You said the same last season .
Mind you you spent a week bigging up Watford.
I can't see city slipping up to be honest but I don't think they will win every game either.

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29 Nov 2017 13:56:24
Mata was so quiet he didn't even get on.

All we can keep doing is picking up the wins which with our squad are more capable than anything. True Jred, the midfield seems to have dipped in performance of late, more so Matic who really ties it altogether. He has not been his ultimate best although I did feel, even not at the peak of his powers, when he went off last night we definitely suffered and of course let 2 goals go by.

He went off after picking up a slight knock, maybe it has been something he has been carrying.

Have to say though it was tremendous performance last night in parts, away from home against a good team we could have scored many more than 4. I hope Lukaku get's that boot deal sorted!

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28 Nov 2017 23:05:31
Chuffed to bits with that win and how we played i know i will b shot down for saying this but this match had me nervous. I know watford aren't a top 6 team but they have looked good.

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29 Nov 2017 05:12:07
EZRS tuff place to go especially with memories of last season. They played well I am sure. But that’s the improvement for us I guess - aggressive and psychologically strong. Hopefully it goes on to build bigger confidence. Next 2 games helleva important. Let’s see.
Didn’t watch but happy to see great news first thing in the morning for me 😂😂.

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29 Nov 2017 08:38:19
Watford played well but they have lost 4 of there last 6 games .
People seem to want to talk up every team and player while talking down our own .

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28 Nov 2017 22:33:21
Very good display tonight. Though young and Martial were excellent. As was Lindelof. My worry at present is the way Rashford is playing. He seems to have stalled. This is to be expected as he's only young, but I think he needs to re-focus and get to the next level.
I really like the way Rashford plays and he needs to regain the sharpness and aggression to step up.

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29 Nov 2017 05:13:46
Do you think he tries too hard sometimes?

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29 Nov 2017 06:55:06
I thought most of the team played well. Silly tackle from Rojo and Lukaku huffed and puffed without reward. I agree on Rashford (who I love) ; hopefully we will get back on form soon.

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29 Nov 2017 09:48:50
Not sure 666. Last night, he wasn't up with the pace of play and didn't react to some of the passes. His end product and decision making must improve too. But he will improve and when he does, he'll be a fantastic player.

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29 Nov 2017 13:21:34
Schmid just watched the replay and agree that Rash looks a little not up to it. Whatever the reason agree that he can but only improve and we will enjoy watching in time to come. He has all the attributes but must learn to use them in the right manner.

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28 Nov 2017 22:02:49
Great performance tonight with some outstanding individual displays. Signing Rose in January would be interesting now because based on current form Young is undroppable. Lindelof looked great again and had Richarlason in his back pocket. Martial was great as was Lingard. I think the killer for us was Matic going off. When he went off we lost the midfield battle but we showed good character and dug in for a well deserved win. Bring on Arsenal and keep the same line up IMO.

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28 Nov 2017 22:10:03
Nothing wrong with two good wing-backs Dan. Wing-backs do a lot of running. Always good to have a surplus of CB's and Wing-backs when playing this formation.

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28 Nov 2017 22:16:31
Difference was we took our chances .
Midfield wasn't great all game but in the first half we took our chances, second we never .
Lukaku and pogba prob had the best 2 chances of the game.

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28 Nov 2017 22:35:54
Enjoyed that. 6 goals, good quick attacking play. Great away win. Good times.

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28 Nov 2017 22:42:55
Get another game scoring 3 or more goals.


Shame we stopped playing and invited pressure thought we could have scored another 2 or 3 today.


But a great result and should give every confidence for weekends game.

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28 Nov 2017 22:46:11
Lindelof has done well the last few games.

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29 Nov 2017 00:34:56
fair point Sydney and yea I agree that we took our chances. I really hope we have a go at Arsenal on Saturday anything other than a win would be a very poor result. We're so unfourtiante to be behind City as any other year after 14 games with this amount of points we'd be top. If we keep plugging away hopefully City will have a bad spell and it will be all to play for again.

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29 Nov 2017 10:15:11
On the the point of Rose/ Young I could see a time where Mourinho would play them both if we start with a back 4. Young is solid defensively but also good attacking. It would be a solid left side with Rose overlapping Young with Matic covering as well.

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28 Nov 2017 22:01:04
Last 3 games in the league 9 points 9goals and were going through a bad patch?
Still don't think our cm are playing great or we have got top gear yet.

Look at the players not involved today, strong squad.

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28 Nov 2017 20:49:10
Hey schmid? 😊.

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28 Nov 2017 21:58:23
Never in doubt.

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28 Nov 2017 22:09:30
3 points so far from a possible lucky 2, good start.

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28 Nov 2017 22:23:24
Hi Bolger. Fantastic display in 1st half and nearly threw it away. Good entertainment and great to watch. Will we do the same against a top team away from home? Let's see what we do against arsenal. Even scholsey said it. We need to step up against the top sides.

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28 Nov 2017 22:32:59
We are a far better team than Watford tho .

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28 Nov 2017 22:39:28
I agree we do need to step it up against the top teams.

So far we have won 1 drew 1 and lost one against these teams.

Next two games are crucial. we could 14 points behind and 5 if ourselves and city keep winning untill we play each other


We stopped playing in the second half. invited pressure and made changes.

But all in all was a great result against a team who are very good.

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28 Nov 2017 18:16:21
Leahy mate, I do think the balance of power is shifting across the city right now. Yes they need to win more trophies but it is what they are doing off the field as much as on it. The investment they have made in the club and to some extent the city is phenomenal, clearly there is no requirement to make a profit there which obviously helps.

Painful as it is they appear to be making huge strides on the pitch. We all keep waiting for them to slip up but a third of the season in they have yet to do so. If we are all completely honest, who would have preferred Pep to Jose? I certainly would. Cantona got it right, Jose is simply not a United Manager and it is interesting that Jose didn’t really bite back at Eric as he would struggle to argue against his views. We may win things, we may even dominate some teams, he’s a great Manager, but it won’t be the style we have grown used to, not just under SAF but also, Busby, Doherty, Atkinson.

I started supporting United when we were in the second Division and once promoted We struggled to complete for many years. From 1990 onwards though we have dominated, we already had worldwide support and history and that won’t change, but if City start winning big trophies then expect to see more City kits knocking about, just as we have done for Chelsea in recent years.

Tell me why I am wrong.

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28 Nov 2017 18:24:22
Imagine if we didn't have the disappointment of being purchased by the Glazers and City and Chelsea were never purchased by billionaires looking for a hobby. We'd be on title 26 by now. Imagine if Abramovich purchased MU, we'd be on title 30.

Even if clubs were not run without outside and clubs were all running on their own means we'd be dominating by some distance. The Glazers purchasing us levelled the playing field. The other clubs should be very grateful about that.

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28 Nov 2017 18:49:07
It sure I follow that argument Syd. SAF kept us winning and dominated Chelsea for a period, we are rich enough to attract top players and Managers. Whether SAF was asked to rein in his spending (no value in the market) or whether he really thought that I don’t know but he left a squad in need of work. Many of the purchases since he left have been questionable.

City have been doing ok with their billions but with Pep I think we will see another step up.

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28 Nov 2017 19:06:17
Couldn't agree more Ajh. I think some on here are a bit blinkered. City, as I've been saying for 3 years are moving forward at a great pace and are doing what we used to do, play attacking attractive football with no fear. Mark my words, their owners and Pep will turn them into formidable opponents that will dominate the PL and even Europe.
I watch our club get involved in buying average players for silly money. We have sold our soul by allowing three managers to abandon our traditions and instead play absolute rubbish football. I watch City, Barcelona and PSG play fast attractive football which is from a different planet.
And even then, we have people saying that city are not great defensively and will slip up. Well wake up guys and smell the roses, it ain't going to happen. They will not cone down to our standard, we need to go up to theirs.

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28 Nov 2017 19:19:59
This might sound daft but there only average players if they don't perform.
We have signed some good players that people where very happy with but haven't got the best out of them.

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28 Nov 2017 19:39:37
They are playing better football than us at the moment but as jred said we have the players but they aren't playing 100%, we aren't that far off just 2 or 3 more signin gs
And as for comparing the clubs Bobby Charlton has more history in his big toe than city as a club, they have a long way to go and I don't think will will step back admiring them every week.

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28 Nov 2017 19:43:13
Attack

You know I have been saying on here for years about the lack of investment, the arrogance to think we were so big we didn’t need to worry about those pesky noisy neighbours. Well now they are nearly there and we still do nothing.

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28 Nov 2017 20:06:22
I know people won’t care about my opinion but as an outsider (keeping my bias at toe) city are light years ahead, and not just of you but anybody, there are bigger clubs out there like yourselves but nobody is growing at such a rate, it’s easy when money is no option but it’s not just the players, the youth development, the manager, the image, they’re investing heavily in every aspect of football as a game and business. We can all claim ‘oh we did it properly, money, is wet other excuse’ but the fact is they’re steam rolling games. United will still win trophies but it won’t be like the old days. Power (not just in football) swings in bouts, cycles come and go, in all honesty who can you really see beating city to the title, CL, or FA cup if they take that serious? Not many teams are blessed with 40/ 50 million pound benchwarmers.

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28 Nov 2017 20:51:52
They look light-years ahead because they've had to grow from almost nothing. People bang on about their academy but who's it produced so far? Sancho had to go to Germany. Will Foden play this season?

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28 Nov 2017 22:26:08
they will have the same trouble we had the majority of top player will come for the money for a season and then sod off because they do not like the weather.

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28 Nov 2017 22:29:18
Mort, foden played last match.
RedMan and johnbarnes, fully agree. To think we're top dog and we can carry on as before is naive in the extreme. They are well ahead of us not only on the pitch but in the way they're developing their club.
There's nothing wrong with seeing a competitor do well. But when you sit there and think everything is rosey and ignore the threat, then that's what will bring us down.

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29 Nov 2017 08:34:30
Pep will be gone In 2 or 3 seasons just like jose.

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29 Nov 2017 08:35:01
That's true jred. Many a good player has been in the wrong place at the wrong time or under the wrong coach and moved elsewhere and shone again and looked a different player. This happens to all clubs I think.
Shaw hugely talented as a teenager if he moves could flourish again. So could miki or darmian. I know what you say when you say get the most out of what we have and improve them and i agree to a point but if the manager puts you out of his plans then its more often or not time to move on. (Im not stating that's the case for those players) . Fergie did it plenty of times to players klopp has done it conte poch sometimes the manager has lost faith and that can be for a zillion differrnt reasons.
Sometimes the decisions work out sometimes they come to bite you on the ass but that's why they get the big bucks.
Truth is none of us know why managers fall out or lose faith in certain players but it happens. Im sure as often as not its the players fault too.

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28 Nov 2017 14:05:58
Will we play a different line-up to keep players fresh?

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28 Nov 2017 16:38:10
I expect so.

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28 Nov 2017 18:44:29
Think a few changes Syd.
I'm guessing both full backs and rash out darmian blind and mata or jessie in. Possibly see a change at cb too.
Just a guess on my part.

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28 Nov 2017 19:30:16
Rash out rojo in, change of shape tho.

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29 Nov 2017 08:37:53
Jessie in?

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28 Nov 2017 13:56:02
If reports are right then Luke Shaw is showing alongside Valencia as been one of the fittest players at United. I don't think there is a doubt he is talented as a full back. It leads me to say that as a manager you should select the best players (If fit he is our best left back), but if you are a dictator you will just do what you want, possibly to a detriment to the team. What views on Mourinho been a leader manager or a dictator manager?

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28 Nov 2017 14:14:44
I think it's a selling tactic. Telling suitors he's fully fit and is ready to work hard. It's a shop window move. Probably leaked by Jose to a friend/ reporter.

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28 Nov 2017 14:45:37
He might be physically fit but us he mentally fit? I think that's what is in question and why he's being bombed out.

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28 Nov 2017 14:56:59
Totally agree Sydney. Shaw has worked under LVG, mourinho, Roy hodgson and Gareth Southgate and all have questioned his fitness and attitude. Yet, we still have people on here trying to build him up like he's the best left back ever. I haven't seen him play a good game in two years, and he's utter rubbish with his positioning.

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28 Nov 2017 15:23:39
I hope that was not aimed at me Attack? Having seen him play before, he is our best left back. He may not be fit mentally, but that is still the case. Is Mourinho doing anything about that? The lad is quality when performing on his best day.

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28 Nov 2017 16:48:31
I don’t think Shaw has ever been given a run. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but Poch seemed to get the best out of him at Southampton. I think he’s young and probably not mature yet, a move to United must have been a massive change for him.

He regularly gets slagged off on here yet has he really been given a chance?

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28 Nov 2017 16:49:11
I wouldn't say he is our best left back, I would say he is potentially our best left back. His first season was iffy, sometimes he was good sometimes he was bad. But he was never great. We put that down to teething issues, he was young, he was adapting ect ect. Granted he then started his second season on fire, where he was arguably our best player for 6-7 games until he broke his leg. Since then he had nearly a year out injured, he followed that up with a poor season last season (for most of which he wasn't actually injured) . He has done nothing to suggest he is the future world's greatest LB. He has had Pochettino, Southgate, LvG, Hodgson and Mourinho all say he needs to improve his attitude and his fitness. They can't all be wrong. Every manager the kid has had is saying the same thing.

Maybe he has bucked his ideas up, maybe he has changed his attitude and maybe he has got himself fit again. But if it's too late, if he's burned his bridges then we have to accept that. I agree with Syd, I suspect this is something leaked to the press to help sell him. It's convenient timing, and there are no direct or even indirect quotes. Just cloak and dagger, "someone at the club has said". No they haven't, but they want potential buyers to believe that.

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28 Nov 2017 17:57:06
Before spending millions of pounds on a player maybe a buying club would give him a medical? Or even have 1 or 2 reliable people on the inside to gauge a players fitness .

Or maybe they would read a story in a newspaper and think " omg Shaw is the fittest player at United, Let's spend 20,000000 quid on him "

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28 Nov 2017 18:10:47
I think it's more about telling people he's out working hard to get into shape. Good press so to speak. It may even be the player himself leaking it.

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28 Nov 2017 18:26:47
A buying club will pay no attention to an unnamed source in a local rag when it comes0 to spending 20 plus mill


Would you?

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28 Nov 2017 18:45:24
Fittest player in tellytubby land.
Agree syd.

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28 Nov 2017 18:47:14
I've not been over critical of his play.
I have been very critical of his attitude and professionalism and his desire to be as good as he can be. Yes he has had some rotten luck with injury but he has not applied himself as well as the likes of Gary Neville and Nicky butt for example and for me that shows a lack of desire and players with a lack of desire rarely turn out to be in the higher echelon of players.

It could be a mental issue as you say, I agree with Syd and think it's a leak from within the club to drum up interest in him.
It's a pity, He seems to be a nice bloke, maybe he will go on to realise his potential elsewhere maybe he won't ever realise the potential we all thought he had. But im sure he will go with everybodies best wishes.

I hope he can rekindle his love for the game and his desire and goes on to have a good career.
I'm a little surprised and disappointed that he never got a run of games to prove himself but I'm sure the manger has his reasons. Maybe he is not doing enough to warrant the chance.

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28 Nov 2017 19:00:00
Before his injury he WAS our left back.

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28 Nov 2017 21:32:11
Ken syd.
If you 2 can see through the plan do you not think people in the game can.

They will pay no attention to what's in the paper.

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30 Nov 2017 11:13:22
I know advertising never works.

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28 Nov 2017 09:12:33
Well big Rom is off the hook for his kick out on saturday.

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28 Nov 2017 09:56:03
Got away with one there I think!

Pure speculation I know but for the sake of debate would you sell Martial to Madrid for £80m?!

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28 Nov 2017 10:43:33
Never Danny. He is as talented as Mbappe and Ousmane Dembele. Must keep hold of him as he can be very special if he keeps his head down and works hard.

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28 Nov 2017 10:44:51
No don't need the cash what we do need is talented young players .

"[I've] spoken to a few lads in the squad and every single one of them says the same thing: 'He could be whatever he wants to be. In terms of talent, he can rival anyone on the planet. '" Rio


That lads only 21 the pressure people put on young lads is nuts, going to be a top top player this lad.

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28 Nov 2017 10:45:07
No chance Danny, he is one of the few players we have that can beat a man and make things happen. In the current make you'd have to spend all of that 80m to replace him with no guarantees that who we buy would perform better.
If we are to improve we need to keep our better players. Martial is definitely one of them.

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28 Nov 2017 10:48:28
No sale! He will improve and become a great in time and i want that to be at UTD.

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28 Nov 2017 10:56:14
No sale, but as talented as Mbappe? Not too sure about that.

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28 Nov 2017 11:09:52
I think mbappe and martial have very simillar potential but mbappe is embracing/ realising his potential at a faster pace than martial.

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28 Nov 2017 11:14:21
Yes he is evenz. 3 years faster.

Martial is super talented but I just think mbappe is on the next level up.

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28 Nov 2017 11:16:36
By the way what's a top top player jred? Just above top but below top top top?

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28 Nov 2017 12:24:13
Angle
Yawn, I can't explain everything for u.

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28 Nov 2017 13:37:52
Issue with Martial is if he plans on staying at the club long term. £80m for a player that might not sign a new contract could be tempting. Jose was open to letting him leave during the summer, so I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves over the next few years.

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28 Nov 2017 13:45:09
Dermot Gallagher deemed it petulant and I said the same before. I think it was like a "get off of me" handbags. Has to be seen as dangerous or intending to cause injury. I don't see that now or at the time. I'm not surprised the board couldn't agree. Personally I think he could do with a rest, that being said the Arsenal game would be open and may suit him nicely.

In regards to Martial. What good is £80m to us unless invested on an equally useful player for the attack. Personally I would add to what we have, not swap. Only swap fringe squad players for top first XI additions.

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28 Nov 2017 14:00:28
Ummm maybe, Martial is a talent, but seems to go hot and cold. Richarlison at Watford looks a real talent. Maybe we will see how good tonight? £80 million from Madrid and £30 million on him if Martial is unhappy?

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28 Nov 2017 15:01:21
I really like him, he's fantastic with the ball at his feet. His dribbling skills are great and his finishing is normally cool and reliable. My reservation's are his positioning and movement off the ball. I think there are also questions about his work rate and desire. I have absolutely no doubt of his talent but does he has the mental attributes to succeed?!

Let's be honest he's still very young with bags of room and time for improvement.

Hypothetically speaking If £80m was on the table and I was the manger I'd probably give it serious consideration and look at what else was available. If I had to sell to get Greizman I probably would. We still have Rashford who performs a similar role, Lukaku is still young and we'd be getting one of the best attackers in Europe entering their peak years.

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28 Nov 2017 16:50:16
He’s got huge talent but after his first season we have rarely seen it. He has been given some starts and is yet to impress for me. Rashford and Martial both have huge potential but right now they are below par, Martial has been below par for a long time.

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28 Nov 2017 17:48:28
I don't know what to make of Martial. It seems like he plays with the weight of the world on his shoulders. He is no doubt talented and at times can be unplayable but I agree with Danny about an offer like that on the table. It seems to me he would be an ideal replacement for Benzema for Madrid and it probably isn't ever going to happen for him at United or for us as fans.

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28 Nov 2017 18:03:08
Both martial and rashford can be a bit inconsistent but they have alternated between them for much of the season the same position and the goals yield between them is pretty good . Whether playing left side is rite for them is a debate regarding delivery but they do offer a goal threat . Greizeman hasn't pulled up many trees on the pitch this season.
Martial shows enough to me to think that could come back to bite us in the arse one day if we sold him I hope we stick with him . If we got similar results goals wise from the right as we do the left we would be pretty potent .

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28 Nov 2017 18:03:37
Jred

I see your humour is as dry as ever, yawn.

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28 Nov 2017 18:28:12
Angle
Come on, it just wasn't funny.

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28 Nov 2017 22:50:34
Of course Martial and Rashford are going to be inconsistent. They're kids. They're trying to do it in the toughest league in the world on a weekly basis, not Ligue 1.

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28 Nov 2017 01:27:55
I'm wondering if there has been any interest in Mkhiaryan he appears unsettled. He has experienced a dip in form and Jose has been very critical of him recently.
He has a lot of talent but has never really settled and shown his best form so far.
It's reported he is not in the squad for 3rd time in 4 games again tomorrow.

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28 Nov 2017 09:05:42
Really really tallented player - on his day he canbe breathtaking and i hve quietly backed him to come good BUT since pogba got injured he not just had a dip in form - he actually dissapeared and literally left us at times with a 10 man team which we can't afford.

Repots are saying dortmund want him back but who knows.

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28 Nov 2017 13:48:39
Dortmund want him back and we all know how nice it is to play for them. Players always return there. Sahin, Kagawa, Goetze.

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