Manchester United Banter Archive November 28 2018

 

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28 Nov 2018 22:00:50
Hate neymar’s antics but when he is on it he is such a magnificent players. The front three of him mbappe and cavani are so good. Neymar and mbappe’s link up play was mesmerising at times tonight. Unfortunately the PSG play acting did put a sour note on the game. But really enjoyed watching PSG tonight. I personally quite like tuchel. Think he’s a talented young manager.

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28 Nov 2018 22:31:00
Neymar is a cheat. Can’t stand him - he’s too good to do this nonsense but he chooses to which tells me all I need to know about him.

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29 Nov 2018 06:04:48
Dreadful antics from the whole PSG team, this is an area that needs addressing, it was embarrassing.

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{Ed025's Note - its getting silly now AJH..

29 Nov 2018 09:20:26
They were awful, footy at it worse really no need with all that talent . neymar sums them up.

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29 Nov 2018 14:50:23
The passion showed by Silva and Marquinhos in defence was something we rarely see at UTD.

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29 Nov 2018 15:35:00
Neymar is extremely disappointing.

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29 Nov 2018 18:37:28
Agreed with all the comments about the play acting. Such a bad advert for the game. Thiago Silva was great last night mad hatter. Played like to the level that he used to play a few years ago.

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28 Nov 2018 19:17:44
Have a question for you guys and i'm only playing devil's advocate, so don't kill me.

If by some chance we won the champions league this season, would you give Jose another year? Or would you get rid regardless, like LVG with the FA cup. Merci.

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28 Nov 2018 19:37:49
If by some chance! There’s as much chance of your namesake being found working in Tesco’s. But if we did, then yes I would kiss his feet.

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28 Nov 2018 19:41:37
Champions league is a bit different to the FA cup. We've only ever won it 3 times. If Jose won that, he'd most definitely be staying.

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28 Nov 2018 19:45:57
Elvis,

We have almost zero chance of winning the CL, but if we did then obviously he stays.

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28 Nov 2018 20:56:23
Jose won't be staying even if he pulls off a miracle champions league win.
He will be fired before the end of the saeson or he will leave in the summer for another job.
If he wins the cl by some extraordinary set of circumstances it won't make any difference imo he will still leave in the summer.

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28 Nov 2018 22:01:50
Elvis, . Your the devil in disguise.

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28 Nov 2018 22:45:29
It is only theoretical as it will not happen but, but but. If he won yes I would still get rid as he would see it as perfect confirmation of his prehistoric tactics.
Any one on here queuing up for a few more seasons as good as this one.?

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28 Nov 2018 23:00:19
Don't be cruel leave Elvis alone.

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28 Nov 2018 23:17:36
Ok I'll let it be.

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29 Nov 2018 01:38:52
After winning the ecl jose would be ready to step on some blue suede shoes. Watch out Pep!

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29 Nov 2018 15:37:03
Ken,
I think January will provide an indication to the Summer. If JM is allowed to spend and sell then I don’t see him going. If little happens in terms of the transfer market in Jan I’ll agree.

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29 Nov 2018 15:52:10
onto the beatles now leahy?

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28 Nov 2018 18:53:23
The way we play, the manager, some of the players - all been covered and some very valid and thought provoking opinions.

I personally just want to say well done boys, out of the group stage of the CL!

GGMU.

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28 Nov 2018 22:32:23
Well said.

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29 Nov 2018 02:10:37
Sometimes it is just about battling through. Through the group stage is worthy of note, well said.

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28 Nov 2018 18:21:32
Forgot to say, how funny was Luke Shaw pushing the payer off the pitch for the substitution? It’s about time someone took the shuffling ambling player to task, quality move Luke.

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28 Nov 2018 18:34:02
Should do it to Fellaini and Matic when they're on the ball.

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28 Nov 2018 15:24:01
A lot of varying posts on here at the moment, with many differing opinions on players and Jose. Nobody's opinion is anymore right or wrong than anybody else's, that is the nature of an opinion, it is not fact.
Anyway on to my opinion on a few things.

Firstly I have to agree with Shappy in an earlier post that Matic and his drop off in form and mobility, is in my opinion our biggest problem.
Second Rashford, a cause of mixed comments. I personally believe he is not good enough YET, I stress yet. He is a player with ability, but at the moment doesn't have the football brain to go with it. But he will learn and become a top player in the way Stirling has at City. For now I would see him only as an impact player with fresh legs coming off the bench.
Lastly for now anyway, the Manager.
I can't even make my own mind up about him. I hear his comments after Palace about lack of desire and intensity, and complaining that we dropped off and gave them time to recover after attacks. My thoughts exactly, but then i see yesterdays team sheet with a midfield of Matic and Fellaini, and i think its his negative approach and safety first attitude that is the problem. And then i watch him on the touchline trying to force more from the players and asking them to push further up the pitch. So why are they not listening and why do they keep dropping off, is it stupidity or lack of confidence or mixed messages.
No doubt we are a long way from solving all the problems, but i don't believe there is only one cause. So for now, as frustrating and stressful as it is, i am going to give my full support to the manager and all players, in the hope and belief that they all want the same as us, United back at the top.

All my opinion, let's stick together.

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28 Nov 2018 15:53:21
For me Rashford often plays better as a striker rather than a wide player as he hasn't yet developed a football brain. He is still young and few players have genuine football intelligence at 20. He plays better as a striker as that position relies more on instinct and less on thinking or strategy.

I think he will be an excellent player if given time and opportunity to develop.

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{Ed025's Note - me too shappy..

28 Nov 2018 16:20:50
I'll take a 21 year old Rashford missing chances and making dangerous runs over a 25 year old Lukakinfenwa trying and failing to play like a prime Zlatan.

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28 Nov 2018 18:10:11
I am very sure that under a better "coach" we will see a very different Rashford. Just imagine having a player like Rashford at Pep's disposal. He would run havoc with his pace desire to do well.

How can a player who does so well consistently for England turn crap playing for his club side.

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28 Nov 2018 14:32:20
Right can we talk about Matic?

In my opinion he is the single biggest obstacle blocking us from playing well other than the managers tactics.

His lack of mobility is really hitting us this season. I've seen paint run off him never mind any player under 65. Yes he is often isolated by other midfielders wandering out of position or not putting in enough work along side him.

Yet considering we have the same defence as last season, it is almost entirely down to Matic's drop off in form that we have gone from the second best defence in the league to only the six teams conceding more goals than us so far, and only three of those teams have had more shots at goal against them than us.

He is exposing our less than spectacular defence, he is limiting our midfielders from impacting the game, and that is limiting our ability to get hold of a game and thus create chances.

Obviously If he was dropped we wouldn't play different tactics, but I feel we would be better placed to play the tactics Jose wants better.

Either way it is unlikely Jose will be our manager next season, so finding a replacement for Matic will fall to his successor. Depending on how that manager wants to play will very much shape the kind of player we might go for. Either a deep-lying playmaker or a out and out destroyer. Options within the EPL could be Ruben Neves or Wilfried Ndidi depending which way the new manager wanted to go.

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28 Nov 2018 14:49:55
Grossly unfair to blame Matic alone Shappy. On that basis, you could turn it round and saying that having the 2nd best defensive record last season was entirely down to Matic. Its a team game, and a team is only as good as the sum of its parts. Currently, the parts at United don't add up to much - not all down to Matic.

Matic has not been playing his best football, but name one player who has.

Matic is in the team to do a specific job. Ha may not be playing his best, but he is disciplined in what he does, and that is one very important factor that too many of our players don't seem to have. Discipline. Its ironic that he gets so much grief for being a 'Jose favourite', as does Fellaini, but don't all managers pick the players that can trust to do what is asked of them?

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28 Nov 2018 15:18:29
I agree with you both. I've seen ships turn quicker than him (Matic) and loss of form doesn't make you less mobile in my opinion finished at the top. Pogba cannot play midfield in our league and is more suited to Spain or Italy, her tries to be clever and loses possession then strolls back which is unforgivable in a team game so get rid and buy someone who is suited to our league. Fred has not had much of a chance and deserves more time. Herrera a good squad player. Fellaini although our saviour last night and a few other occasions shouldn't be at a top team either. So I would say our midfield is still an issue and why we concede goals and lack creativity.

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28 Nov 2018 16:04:21
Betty, I would place the majority of the plaudits for our defensive record last season on Matic.

He was majestic between August and late March/ early April last season. Then he started to run out of steam and it was from that point our defensive record started to decline. Up until that point we had the best defensive record last season.

He always struggles with maintaining fitness throughout a season, every year at Chelsea was the same, he was arguably their best player for the first half of the season then declined until the end of the season. In the years where he doesn't get a summer break he struggles.

The issue with Matic is he isn't a playmaker, so when the defensive work he does isn't good enough he offers very little other than as a statue in the middle of the pitch for the opposition to avoid running in to.

Slow to turn, lacking pace and without enough energy to get around the pitch he offers very little.

Most of the attacks we suffer are actually coming straight through the middle.

Now while it is in vogue to blame Pogba (and he certainly isn't blameless) I feel the real problem is Matic. For at least Pogba does offer quality going forward and he produces more often than not.

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28 Nov 2018 16:35:44
Your right in that pogba has quality but wrong when you say more often than not. Since he’s been back you could count on one hand stand out games, and how often does he try something clever only to lose the ball when a simple pas will do which results in an attack that he doesn’t bust a gut to try and win back. Midfield is still a problem.

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28 Nov 2018 17:54:56
If you look into it Pogba is our most creative player and the stats back that up.

Highest number of successful passes.
Highest number of forward passes.
Highest number of passes completed in the final third.
Highest number of key passes.
Most assists.
Third most goals scored.
Highest number of completed dribbles.
Only De Gea has made more successful long passes.

So he is clearly doing something most of the rest of our squad aren't doing. From a creative point of view he is doing quite a lot, and having a impact more often than not, or at very least he is having an impact more regularly than anyone else in our squad.

Does he work hard enough? Is he making the most of his talent? Does he do enough defensively? Probably no to all those questions. Yet even so he is doing more than than most of the other 24 men in our squad.

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28 Nov 2018 18:02:35
Shappy, would you not place the plaudits on the whole team playing defensively? That is the basis of the whole arguement against Mourinho, isn't it?
And Matic's form dropped off well before Xmas last year, not late March / April - at least that seams to be the consensus on here. Again, details 'massaged' to suit the story.

You have been very vocal lately in blaming Mourinho for everything from football to Brexit, but now it's largely Matic's fault?

I get the frustration at our current situation, but I'm really don't think it is down to individuals. None of the players are performing anywhere near their best - certainly not on a consistent basis. We look poor collectively, not just as individuals. The defence looks shaky most of the time, midfield never dominates anyone and we lack creativity and a genuine goal threat.

Again, it's just my opinion but Matic is just one of the symptoms, not the root cause.

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28 Nov 2018 18:18:22
Not gloating, perhaps the drop off in defensive solidity is due to mid and indeed even low table teams having a go at you, your lack of form is allowing teams to smell blood, exactly the opposite of Man City where teams are like sacrifical lambs.

On a lighter note if you haven't seen Klopps interview with sexy French interpreter it's why we love him, and a massive contrast to your guy.

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28 Nov 2018 18:29:24
Shappy, I should have acknowledged the fact hat you did say "other than the manager's tactics" at the start of your post. Fair is fair.

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28 Nov 2018 23:44:35
Tell klopp there's a new tooth paste out.

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28 Nov 2018 14:14:33
I have backed Jose from the start. I thought his ego wouldn't allow failure. The last few weeks have changed my mind. He has to go.
There is no pattern of play. The players look scared of taking any risks incase he blasts them in the media.
Zabaletta was on Sly the other week and he was talking about Martial. Zabaletta said he felt sorry for him when he played against him! He said that he couldn't beleive that Martial had to track him back. He knew he could go forward knowing Martial will go with him and he wouldn't be leaving the door open and if Martial didn't track back, Jose was shouting, telling him too. Let that sink in. A player in his mid 30s, captained our rivals and he's feeling sorry for one of our players. They understand as fellow players the frustrations our players must be feeling. Martial should be feared by these kind of players and Martial probably knows that. The negative tactics are making very good players into average players. I'm not sure who the answer is but we need to cut out this cancer that is rotting our club before the damage becomes too much to come back from.

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28 Nov 2018 14:59:35
Imagine that, a wide player having to track back. Disgusting. Opponents should just be allowed to run right past him, unchallenged.
You never saw Giggs or Beckham tracking back, did you?

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28 Nov 2018 09:58:47
What are your thoughts Eds including about Andreas Pereira?

In the pre-season showings as much as I saw him,
I saw a tenacious player, who was putting a shift in, and doing decent defensive work and more importantly trying to quicken the speed of the player with a very forward thinking passing approach.

His dead ball abilities are really good, and he was shielding the ball well.

Then after the huddersfield game, I don't think he's had a chance to play, maybe a cup game but I'm unsure.

I agree he didn't spot the runners running past him but it's a difficult skill to learn, especially for someone who has mostly played ahead and not as a deep lying playmaker.

I don't understand what has gone wrong with that, because he's hardly had a look in. Maybe the manager believes he's going to leave anyway and is holding him back.

Or is he simply not good enough?
I believe he deserved a chance but hasn't gotten it as much as others have.

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{Ed001's Note - it depends on where you intend to play him, but personally I do not see a fit for him in the current system. He should be playing a number 10 role and you don't have that in your team most of the time and when you do, Pogba occupies it for some reason.}

28 Nov 2018 12:19:46
Should have replaced Mata and/ or Fellaini's place in the squad over the summer. One of if not the only player in our squad capable of setting a desirable tempo and I'd have had him starting both last night and against Palace.

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28 Nov 2018 11:19:16
Didn't see any praise for FRED after the game yesterday, Clearly one of our best player on the pitch. Looked energetic and tried to link up well with others.

89% Pass accuracy,62 Forward passes,23 Final third passes,2 dribbles,2 shots,2 chances created.

Jose should have taken Matic off instead of Fred imo.

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28 Nov 2018 11:40:29
Not convinced by him myself Becks, looks like another 'average' player, bought far too many of those recently. Struggles to control a ball, basic technique is lacking. Good energy, not much else about his game.

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28 Nov 2018 12:07:11
To improve all these average players we should be looking at a new Coach rather than a manager. I still feel he will come good.

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28 Nov 2018 12:43:08
Seriously? Did we watch the same game?

4 months in, and I still have no idea what he’s good at. Ed001 is right about his awful control though. He’s a player who will be labelled as industrious because he runs about a lot, but he’s not as good as Herrera at that.

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28 Nov 2018 14:53:07
Agree with Danny for me it was an awful fame for him, actually I was surprised mou didn't change him at half time. He needs minutes but yesterday was really bad.

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Review Of The Day 28th November 2018

28 Nov 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 28th November 2018

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28 Nov 2018 00:28:45
Jose's celebration with the water bottles was brilliant. It was the most entertaining part of the night.

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28 Nov 2018 16:57:46
he was probably pissed off because that goal will probably keep him in the job for now anyway, when he's looking for the sack and a big pay off.

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