Manchester United Banter Archive October 28 2012

 

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28 Oct 2012 23:22:33
Could not care less about the ref/decisions/performance today, we got 3 points, a massive 3 points to, the difference between being 7 points and 1 point behind Chelsea! City have won games they haven't deserved to this season and so have Chelsea so so can we.

Chelsea is a real difficult place to go and they showed at down to 10 then 9 men they are gonna be a real problem this year and I can honestly say fair play to them today but bottom line is we got 3 points, 3 points that could be what triggers us off this year!

Get in there boys!

Ports

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Chelsea have not deserved to lose amy of there games in the league this season and mancity win games they dont deserve to by scoring against run of play not by refs being biased towards them. For most of the match today chelsea showed why there should be a 7 point gap

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And when we had 85% posession against spurs in 2nd half, hit the bar/post three times and had two clear penalties not given, did we deserve to lose against spurs? NO.
NoMidfield

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28 Oct 2012 23:20:57
One other thing, de gea, he is unorthodox and he is a worry when it comes to crosses but when it comes to stopping the ball crossing the line from a shot there really is few better.

Crosses he can work on. I just hope he develops that part of his game because if he does I think he really could be I e of the best

Karllap

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28 Oct 2012 23:14:56
Well to be fair we road our luck today at times but its about time we got a bit at the bridge but on chico's goal has anybody give him credit for how much want and desire he showed to get from being stuck inside the net to get back to a goal scoring position.
I think it really oppitomises the guy and especially in the last couple of games

Karllap

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He got up and walked a few yards wow and he didnt get into a goal scoring position because he was offside

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Weather it be a legal or an illegal position it was still a goalscoring position...hence the goal

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So your saying if he stood next to cech all game it would be good play because it was a goalscoring position

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28 Oct 2012 22:31:16
I have got to say....Rio Ferdinand is a REAL liability yo our team...he hasn't a sense about him. He put us in so much danger today it was unbelievable.

MPez

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28 Oct 2012 22:27:44
Sorry guys, but seriously if u were to rate Kagawa, will u put him in the same class as Oscar, Hazard and Mata? I think those 3 tiny felas are too fearsome and a class apart - fair play. We need to bring in the likes of Gotze, Reus and maybe Neymar to build a formidable force for us, else those guys will rule. I admire them...

Cantona7

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I would pick kagawa ahead of oscar and play the other 2 on the wings

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If Kagawa played for Chelsea in that formation he would be just as deadly

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Kagawa istead of oscar you must be joking oscar is class

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28 Oct 2012 22:12:18
Great result today. Although our defence looks shaky, and we're clearly playing a few gears under what we're capable of, the pleasing thing is that we are grinding out results. The key to winning titles is beating your rivals - especially away from home (city did it to us last year), and today was a superb 3 points - no matter how it was achieved.

I think there's more to come with this United team, and I'm particularly impressed with Rafael - really turning into a world class RB/WB. Yes, Cleverley wasn't great today but today was a big test for a young lad. He'll be better for it, and will continue learning. Tactically we're looking much better, and versatile - which is something we lacked last season. Having a 'plan b' is critical both domestically, and in Europe.

Yes, we're still lacking some depth in defense, and some steel in midfield, but what we're not lacking is hunger - something that can't be bought. If we lacked hunger, then I'd be worried.

Overall a great result, and we're going through the motions nicely.

WF Red Devil.

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28 Oct 2012 21:58:22
Even the most bias of Man United supporter has to admit they tend to get the big referee decisions. This is coming from a casual fan. I know everyone laughs at all the liverpool conspiracy theories over the last few years but they do get an awful raw deal.

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So you are suggesting the whole of football is corrupt? Think the police would be interested to hear about that one, maybe give them a call?

GDS

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It is the way of football, all through the 70's and 80's Liverpool more often than not got the decision. Is football corrupt?.......of course not it's just human nature.

The team that is most successful falls under the media glare more than any other team so all decisions from the ref in games involving that club come under exrta scrutiny.

Most decisions can be interpreted in two different ways. For example did he dive, there was light contact but was it enough to bring down a fully grown man or did that light touch throw him off balance in such a way he couldn't stay on his feet? Both are are reasonable points of view over the same incident.

Normally the team that is most successful gets a mutural hatred from opposition fans thus they will always believe these decisions are going for the team they have a mutural hatred for.

As for the belief that we get the rub of the green at home, well the same can be said for every team. The majority of players sent off are for the visiting team, the majority of penalties are for the home team. This is the pattern at every ground in the country. Why does this happen? Again human nature, all ref's are human and when making a decision it can be differcult to go against 90% of the crowd, the pressure of all those people will have an effect on a ref thus probably making the decisions go the way of the home team more often than not.

Shappy

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28 Oct 2012 21:35:59
Is there one, just ONE, red-eyed pleb out there who can say, hand-on-heart, that you don't get special
treatment?
It is just embarrassing now !

Puzzled

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Oh Puzzled piss off back to Conspiracyville will you

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Sorry couldn't resist.

GDS

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Worry about your own decisions you see puzzled if Suarez was inside you got a massive decision due to fact Coates was climbing all over his man for the header so then Everton would have been robbed and you wouldn't be complaining.

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We do get special treatment, nobody can deny that. But over the years, we have also been cheated by refereeing decisions. The most obvious that come to mind are the "offside" goal that cost us the CL against Porto, the rubbish ref that cost us the treble few years ago when we played Portsmouth in the FA cup semis, the Drogba offside goal that cost us the league title and so many more.

Things like these even themselves out. Get over it.

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It's all in your heads because you hate us so much.

G.A.G.U.S

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28 Oct 2012 20:59:11
Anyone else noticed how biased Nial Quinn is towards whoever United are playing? it was all "unlucky chelsea" "lucky united" the is a total tw*t at least Gary Neville try's to be unbaised.

S*y get rid of him, he makes Ray Wilkins & Alan Smith look impartial!

Dave

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28 Oct 2012 20:55:56
At the start of the match Gary Nev said that these were the types of matches that made Fergie spend big money on Van Persie and a truer word was never spoken as he was pure class throughout. Scored 2 (well 1 1/2 anyway), played the through ball which led to Ivanovic being sent off (which probably won us the match), led the line brilliantly and even squeezed in a sneaky dig in the gob for sideshow bob. A big game player.
What does everyone think?

An Dun Red Devil

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28 Oct 2012 20:48:45
I feel a little bad for Torres but he should have been sent off for the kick earlier in the game, Ivanovic DID bring down Young, being the last man made it a red card, if he doesn't win the ball with any sort of challenge then he walks. he knows the rules and deserved it.

Couldn't care less about an offside goal to be honest, he done well to finish on his standing foot, he may have been offside he may have been onside.

Above all the decisions and all he controversy, for me the best thing about today is that I was entertained. so I'm happy. 3 points and 1000's of scousers crying over a game that doesn't concern them.

Speaking of games that don't concern rival fans, Everton were very unlucky today.

More class, more skill, better players and clearly the better team on merseyside.


The Moon.

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28 Oct 2012 20:41:32
De Gea's save from Torres is proof of just how good he is. Take a look Kloot, and realise that he is only 21. 21 years old! He is already top quality. How good will he be in 3 years?

G.A.G.U.S

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De Gea needs to bulk up a little and learn how to sort out his defenders and he can be next Spanish number 1.

-JakeW

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G.A.G.U.S I want to be convinced and I really want to believe you but I am sorry I just don't feel confident about the guy. Those saves with his feet made me sweat and every cross that came into the area made me hold my breath. I so want you to be right but I fear I may be right. I AM KLOOT

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28 Oct 2012 18:32:01
Anyone of the eds know much about jano ananidze the winger from spartak. watched the match betn cska and benfica and the lad was terrific. good buy if we were to offload nani

Funky Pigeon {Ed004's Note - Don't know anything about him}

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Dont get it...hes a spartak player and playin in a match between cska and benfica?

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I posted about this guy too quite a while back

Yellowcar

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28 Oct 2012 20:20:00
Evra was poor once again, but the rest of the backline was good. People giving Young some but look how many times he was covering for Evra strolling back once again. Valencia defended well and linked up well with Rafa but sometimes i think he held onto the ball too long. Carrick and Cleverley i don't think either are suited to a 2 man midifeld it needs to be a 3 to get the best out of either of them. van Persie what needs to be said. And Rooney as a midifelder you are having a joke, if it wasnt for his stupid needless foul in the first plave they never would have gotten back into that and we wouldn't be talking about the ref.

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Rooney's red-mist tackle almost cost us the game. 2-0 at halftime and we're home and dry, 2-1 and it's squeaky-bum time, without that foul and the ref we'd have lost, no question.
RedSince68

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28 Oct 2012 19:35:23
A couple of days ago I asked you all to watch Rooney today playing in the midfield role and watch how many times he gave away possession compared to real quality players like Xavi and Iniesta. Once again he was very sloppy and at fault for Chelsea getting a needless free kick infront of our box. It made me laugh that we were playing against 9 men and Fergie took off Rooney and The Brand as neither were having any impact on the midfield. Tactics wise we have chelsea on the ropes rolling and what do we do? Do we go for the kill and score a pocket full no we back off and invite a team containing that midfield onto us very nearly shot ourselves in the foot. Good to see us going back to the United way of playing with 2 wingers today, lets say goodbye to diamonds shall we. RVP you were just magnificent today. I AM KLOOT

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You will literally find any fault with a performance just so it backs up your point you made before a match eh Kloot? Rooney had a good game today, his passing was good and his vision was very good as well. Yes he gave away a free kick that led to a goal....a goal that no wall or keeper in Europe could of stopped. The issues in defense by far out weighed a small mistake by Rooney. Use some perspective please!

Andy!

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He took Rooney off because he was booked and conceded a foul after that! Chelsea were protesting and SAF didn't want to give the ref any reason to level it up in terms of players!
Rooney had a good game kloot!
I don't know what your beef is with him but were a better team with him in
Q

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I'm not a fan of Rooney in midfield but I thought he did fine today. Cleverley was the weak link,, far too casual and have the hallway in dangerous areas. It's interesting how people's opinions can vary so much - people slagging off Young and Valencia, others saying they had a good game. What is clear though is that in RVP, we have bought a class act.

AJH

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Stoopid question, why is Clevs "the brand"?! What have I missed?

Cheers
DodgyBanter

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He took Rooney off because he was on a yellow card, and Fergie didn't want the ref to give him another cheap yellow to try and even the game up.
At the time i thought it was a smart move and in the end it worked out with Chicha popping up with the winner.
I thought apart from the silly foul for their opener Wazza had a decent game.
Flyhalf Mitch.

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Kloot
rooney is not a midfielder and yet your judging him against xavi.
i wonder how well xavi would do in the striker position
jred

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That's the point jred!

Fred

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Rooney had a decent overall game yesterday but did give away possesion 2-3 times in the 1st 10-15 minutes.the midfield in general was sloppy at times and everyone of them gave the ball away when chelsea were pressing us.
johndenton

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28 Oct 2012 19:28:08
Who is this Nick 86 Character who has suddenly appeared on the site claiming to be a United supporter but all the time saying no players should have been sent off and we shouldn't be allowed that last goal. AM KLOOT

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Think he might be a greasy scouser.

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This nick86 is person with a free will!

i do not need and i will not hide from anyone on this site!
if you and other supporters of manchester united think i should not criticize referee today because of past events, it is your problem.

i'm a united supporter and i don't really have to prove anything to anyone of you, i know exactly what happened in the past at stanford bridge, its past, today i saw a poor referee making some poor decision that affected the game, is it complicated for you?

i do take the 3 pts anytime if you ask me, but i won't say the it wasn't offside just to get few 'agrees' there.

nick86 {ed004's note - what mistakes did he personally make other than for the second yellow to torres? for his view it looked that ivanovic clipped youngs heels}

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The Ref did make some poor decisions today, but on the whole i didn't think any of his decisions awful.

It was a very poor decision not to send off Torres when he nearly took Cleverley's head off, maybe that was playing on his mind when he imo made a poor decision to give Torres a second yellow. It was a dive but in the context of the game and concidering that it would be a second yellow thus a sending off and the fact they were already down to 10 men i think a strong word in his ear would have been best.

The Ivanovic sending off looks harsh but by the letter of the law he had no choice. He stopped a goal scoring opportunity by making contact and tripping Young and was the last man.

I can't place any blame on the Ref for the offside goal as this was a mistake from the linesman. Even then it was only clear he was offside from a slow motion replay from an elivated angle, when you saw from the angle the linesman was at it wasn't clear. And in this situation the law states if you are unclear then the attacking team get the benefit of the doubt. So unless he had x-ray vision and could see through the three chelsea players then he had to assume Hernandez was onside.

The only other mistake i thought he made was booking Valencia rather than Mikel for a clear trip, of course this would have resulted in Chelsea going down to 8 men and then the match would have decended into a farce. So i'll forgive him this one, i still think it was harsh booking Valencia but he set the standard when he booked Torres for a precieved dive.

So on balance he made a couple of poor decision but oddly they kind of worked out right.

Shappy

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28 Oct 2012 18:48:48
You know what? Who cares if we got lucky with the sending offs. Chelsea have had one over us every time at Stamford bridge and getting terrible decisions in their favor.

RVP was the difference today, I am so happy to have someone of his caliber on the side along with Rooney.

Looking forward to Wednesday, hoping some youth get a chance and maybe we can get another win!

For Wednesday's game I am hoping for:

__________Lindegaard

_Rafael_Wooton_Smalling_Buttner

___________Fletcher

_______Anderson_Powell

___Nani____Hernandez__Welbeck

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Forgot to leave name again..

-JakeW

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Who cares if United got lucky with TWO sending offs ?
Who cares if United get awarded 3 penalties to beat Chelsea last year ?
Who cares if virtually EVERY major game United play they get key decisions in their favour ?
Who cares that for the last 15 years United have been awarded more penalties than any other team ?

Who cares ?......I will tell you:

Every fair minded supporter in the country who knows that if it wasnt for the blatantly obvious decisions that united get in their favour, they would be a mid table club.

This is not a bitter rant, its just what every non united supporter in the country thinks.

Who cares ?...... decent supporters care {Ed007's Note - You are wrong, it is a bitter rant. So have you carried out a survey of 'every fair minded' supporter in England only and was being fair minded a question or a rule of entry? Does that mean that NO Man Utd fan can be fair minded, that's a bit strong for the Sabbath. You have done all this research and yet don't even leave a name to claim your work.}

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Bond its a blatently bitter scouser who can't handle the fact they've gone rom kings of to Europe to the 2nd best team in their own city, and they know deep down it will only get worse. Out the top 10 this year boys and then wait for all the transfer requests.

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Better teams have more action in the other teams box = more pens. Get over it! Torres could have walked earlier, was unlucky to walk when he did...we've had a few shockers against Chelski in recent years so, again, get over it.

DodgyBanter

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Your problem Mr Bitter Ranter (well one of them ) is that good research of the last season, showed that United didn't get " all the decisions" - in fact if we had got the ones we clearly should have - we would have won the league. We did not get those decisions - but thats how it goes.

Mike

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What total muppet!

how many games have Chelsea had offside goals allowed to win games? Players should have been sent off. Chelsea get more "home team" decisions than United any day.

I thought their players were a disgrace loads of niggly & snide kicks especially from Luiz & Ramimeres. Dirty Chelsea i believe!

Dave

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28 Oct 2012 19:00:07
Ok I am tired and emotionally spent. Happy we won and thought the back 4 played very well. We clearly are not good enough against quality opposition in the middle of the pitch and need some sort of long term solution.

It was quite worrying how they were laying siege on our goal for the last 15 minutes of the half and started the same way in the second half until the sending off.

Rooney and Cleverly are not the answer and hope we at least buy one player in January.

Wednesday should be an interesting game and expect them to beat us as we will probably rest a host of players for the Arsenal game.

Shahram

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Which player ? It needs to be someone who can hit the ground running and doesn't need time to settle.

Strootman isnt good enough too over hyped.

Herrera would need time to settle.

James McCarthy for me. {Ed007's Note - Is that the young boy from Wigan, is he any good?}

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I think there are a number of players we could look at. If i had my choice I would take Verrati, Maher, Goetze since realistically the Vidal's or people of his calibre will not be available or too expensive.

I know people will say they are young and yes they will make some mistakes but they also have so much more than our current midfield. we have no pace in our midfield and couple that with very average ball skills which is the bad combination.

These three guys will be very good and are the type of guys you want up against a Hazzard and Mattas of this world.

Shahram

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Bond,

I have never heard of him!

GDS

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28 Oct 2012 18:52:03
So here come the Haters.... It is silly today Ivanovic rightly sent off Torres was unlucky but Mikel should of walked when Valencia got booked but didnt...... We were very good today and executed are plan too perfection apart from the spells they had with the ball where we were pressuring a lot then suddenly held off them and gave them time and we got punished.... Overall I think we deserved it.

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28 Oct 2012 18:29:48
3-2 I didn't expect that!

19-20 MUFC

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28 Oct 2012 18:29:26
Wow what a ridiculous game. I feel for Chelsea; they really didn't deserve the loss. I agree with the first sending off, and while I think Torres did dive, common sense should be making the call. Sending him off when Chelsea are already down to 10? One of the harshest decisions I've ever seen.

United played so well in the opening 30 minutes. Cleverley looked a bit off pace the whole game though. I thought Ferdinand was extremely solid in the back, and even Evra had a decent game. Rooney's drive and work rate was brilliant. I also thought Young was terrific, especially for his first game back. We're lucky that De Gea is able to make a few unbelievable saves in every game he plays, or Chelsea would have scored more in the period where they dominated.

Good decision by Ferguson to take Rooney off, and for once I was happy to see Giggs coming on. Should be pleased by the way United played in the opening half hour, but Chelsea really were the better side. The game was ruined by Clattenburg, and although I'm happy to see United actually have some luck at Stamford Bridge, I wish it had happened differently.

Ruudinthemood

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We are poor when we sit back deep and try defend a lead. It is ok to try and sit back as long as you have a midfield that can boss the game.

It has been like this for the last few years and for the life of me I don't understand why we even try this and might as well just push forward and try and score more goal.

BTW how poor is David Luiz, I can not believe they just gave him a 5 year extension on his contract LMAOF.

Shahram

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So if we were the better team in the first 30 minutes and the better team since the Ivanovic sending off, then how were Chelsea the better side? A team who are losing at home is always going to be the team with the ball and the team attacking. It's how the game works mate.

Sydney!

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Sydney!

I don't agree that United were the better side even after Ivanovic being sent off. To me it still seemed as if Chelsea had more drive, and even when they were down to 9 men I was concerned that they could score. While it was 11 v 11, I think Chelsea were the better team and would have gone on to win the game had the sending offs not happened. I'm also not sure United would have won the game if Torres hadn't been ejected. I'm happy that United won, don't get me wrong. But I think we can all agree that we were extremely lucky and were living on the edge for large parts of the game. (Credit to De Gea)

Ruudinthemood

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Sydney, take the rose tinted glasses off mate, you were second best until the sendings off and even then you struggled and needed the clearly offside goal to win the game, and it was offside, half a yard at least. If ivanovic stays on the pitch along with torres you get beat simple as that, you were over run in midfield, mata ran rings round you. I wonder if mark clattenburg will get to ref another game for you? top of the list me thinks!

ian the red

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Ian the bitter red, United were the away team and we set up to let Chelsea have the ball and for us to break up play and break rapidly, that is exactly what happened. Chelsea were always going to have the majority of the possession, the plan was to soak it up and break swiftly when we had the ball, this twice lead to us scoring twice. Clattenburg arguably made ONE mistake and that was he didn't see the most smidgen of touches and he was given a yellow for diving. There was very minimal contact and Torres made a meal of it. Personally I think it was harsh, but other than that what else did Clattenburg get wrong?

Exactly pal, nothing much at all.

Sydney!

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Ruud, Chelsea were always going to have the ball, it is the way we were playing. A team that has the ball more often will always look the better team. Goals are what is important and we scored 3 to their 2.

Sydney!

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Johnny evans said at the end of the game that torres made a meal of it and dived yet when he made the tackle you take alook at his face. He thought he was gone, bet he couldnt believe his luck.. But that wasnt his worst decision. He and the linesman together got that hernandez decision wrong, i watched the game live but also had it on 5live and pat nevin who was sat 100 yards away said instantly that it was offside. If he could see it how couldnt the linesman? you were played off the park after that first 20 mins simple as that, they ran rings round you and would have won but for poor refereeing, again!

ian the red

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Isn't Pat Nevin an ex-Chelsea player? The offside decisions are the linesman's decision, not the referee. Clattenburg made ONE 'debatable' wrong decision in the whole game. It was arguably a foul by Evans as there was contact, but the referee said he knew there was a slight contact but thought Torres tried to deceive him by falling dramatically to get Evans sent off.

In the laws of the game he is well within his rights to book him for it and he did.

Sydney!

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Utter garbage sydney, your complete bias towards united is astounding, even when its glaringly obvious that decisions made against chelsea yesterday were nothing short of ludicrous. Its not the first time either that clattenberg has had pervious and brought into disripute. can you explain to me in your infinate wisdom that when a referee has made a decision that ultimately swings a game in the favour of another team when playing against your lot, that referee then doesnt ref another game against you until united and the fa feel its right to do so? They may aswell hand the title to you before the season starts because when playing against united you are effectively playing against twelve. its been the case since the creation of a website and their media bias toward you. when fergie retires everything will be on an even keel again and other teams may stand a chance when playing you.

ian the red

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LOL, another Liverpool supporting conspiracy theorist. Like I have said to the editor, name me all of the decisions that Clattenburg got wrong yesterday and I guarantee you your list will add up to ONE. ONLY the Torres sending off was harsh, the rest of the decisions were good.

How about the Luiz handball? Arm out in the box has been given on more occasions than not. Did we get a penalty? NO. Torres' Karate kick on Cleverley could have been a red card, did he get a red card for his Karate kick? NO. It's swings and roundabouts bitter lad.

Sydney!

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The luiz handball given more often than not? what about steven fletcher against stoke when his goal bound effort hit huth? arm by his side like luiz both decisions not given! why dont you just accept that you complete bias towards man utd is clear for all to see, even when decisions made were glaringly wrong? do i need to remind you that hernandez goal was offside? also im anything but bitter our european record runs parallel with nobody, we stand alone! bitter? think not!

ian the red

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28 Oct 2012 18:23:56
This may sound far fetched, but is it not possible that the glazers sent kloot on to the site to change popular opinion...? hear me out

kloot paints such a gloomy picture that it makes me personally feel like i should defend the glazers. I must state that I do not like the glazers and what they have done to our club, we could have spent City money without them.

On a positive note, what a game today. We had the rub of the green, two sending off's that were justified. Torres's second yellow was harsh, but I do not believe there was contact from Evans, and if there was it was very minimal. For Chicha's 'offside' goal, it was a perfectly good goal as there was 'no daylight' between the last defender and Chicha.

Btw i'm and early 20's student, as much as I would love it unfortunately I am not employed by the glazers. As a lifelong fan, I would love it.

Tetrahydro

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Nice one Tetra try and reverse it to throw everyone off the sent. You come on here and say that the Glazers are doing nothing wrong and defend them and then you try and say you do not like them. A case of double bluff maybe. It is a shame we found you out so early as your masters will probably call you in when you could have given some good banter as you tried to put a positive spin on the rape of your so called beloved club. I AM KLOOT

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The scent? I couldn't care any less if someone thought I was employed by the glazers, as i said before i would want to work for the glazers. i would love the job of actually being paid to come on here and comment....it wouldn't matter if i did because on this site I am nobody. you have been posting for as long as i can remember, and you were RFT before that for as long as i can remember. You are somebody and i read all your post like many others, so who is more likely the person to be convincing the people?

Tetrahydro

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Btw kloot, we are on the same side. All i want is the best for United. And i do respect you, i just wish your energy and passion could be funneled into making the site a better place for the fans. There are alot of fans that read this site and alot of the regular posters are respected, regardless of our obvious disagreement I believe you are one of the most respected on here and fair play to you. I just hope i was wrong and your not a secret glazerite as that would be a kick in the nads

Tetrahydro

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28 Oct 2012 19:46:37
Na mate, as much as i dislike Kloot at times, the guy is genuine. He loves the club like no Yank plank can make out. Ill back him on this one.

Whistler.

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Have you any new mortgage advice today
johndenton

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Whoa this is getting deep..... ding ding
HERBIE

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28 Oct 2012 18:23:26
Was chica offside?
Jred

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Jred, I am not so sure because when they slow it down they can stop the TV screen when they please, but I would bet that when the ball actually left Rafael's foot Hernandez may have been level.

Sydney!

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Yes i think so, but we would have pushed and scored anyway had that goal been disallowed.

I think we wanted the game over and did not exactly push for more goals as it was getting quite nasty. Hernandes/Van Persie got lumps kicked out of them towards the end.

Shahram

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When it's slowed down as much as it was there is a couple seconds between when Rafael connects with the ball and it leaves his foot, I would suggest that when it actually left Rafael's foot Hernandez would have been near level with the defender, perhaps slightly offside. Of course Sky are in control of the camera and they will stop the picture when they please.

Sydney!

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Fergy has said it was probably offside.
still havent seen it on the telly so i wil go with that
jred

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I think it was just offside, but the linesman cannot be blamed for this one as it was a very difficult one.

Sydney!

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28 Oct 2012 18:21:17
Pathethic referiing throughout. The ref made 3 very bad decisions:

1- Torres' first yellow card. If any of you remember the wc final when De Jong brought down Alonso in a gladiatoresque kick, he deserved a red card. Same goes for Torres on Cleverley. He should have been sent off then.

2-Torres's second yellow card. There was contact even though torres made the most of it. Evans should have got a yellow.

3- Chicha's goal is a clear offside, nothing to be said.

Now torres deserved a red card, and he got it, but in the wrong circumstances. Should he had got a red card for cleverley's assault, we could have saved ourselves a lot of scouse trolling on this page.

As for the goal, it was a lucky break. I think we deserved it since in the middle of the week a goal was not allowed, chicho was deemed offside when through on goal, and we should have got a penalty against braga.

Mick

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Mick, how was Hernandez' goal clearly offside? It was offside and that can be seen with the benefit of slow mo, but it was far from clearly offside.

Sydney!

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Poor choice of words. I meant clear as in there is no imbiguity, not as in it was clear to the ref. The linesman had no chance with it Excuse my poor english.

Mick

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Sorry Mick, I realised what you meant after I posted. At first I thought you meant clear to the lineman ;)

Sydney!

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28 Oct 2012 18:18:21
F***k! The Ref just destroyed the game. The game is done.
Shame on You Ref if we were to Win it had to be fair, even as a United FAN but the arbitrarion is more than poor!

Nick86

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Nick, Where were you when Drogba's offside goal against us won them the league? You are being way too negative. Sorry mate, but the countless ones that have gone against us, it all evens out in the end. Enjoy the win mate.

Deeps...

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Deeps, only a United fan would enjoy that win mate.

Sydney!

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Deeps,
drogba scored from offside....same game macheda scored with his hand

taby

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28 Oct 2012 18:12:34
Gary Neville, legend!

DodgyBanter

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28 Oct 2012 18:15:51
Great win! But lets be honest, I am not sure we would have done it without the sendings off.

Gar

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Why? a striker was sent off it doesnt affect the defence?

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28 Oct 2012 18:13:59
Can't wait for Wednesday's game. We will play a different XI, but I fully expect to see Oscar, Mata & Hazard play a part. The Chelsea manager will not want to lose that one too so I expect to see a strong Chelsea side with us playing mostly fringe players with one or two youth. I think Lindegaard, Smalling, Wootton, Buttner, Powell, Fletcher, Anderson, Nani, Hernandez, Welbeck will all play.

Sydney!

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Couldnt agree more with some of the tackles that were flying in at the end if i were fergie i wouldnt risk anyone who will play saturday. Alot of fustration for chelsea today i can see why. But luiz kept elbowing ramirez n cole started lashing out. The league cups not worth injuries or sending offs

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28 Oct 2012 18:10:40
Can't wait for all the conspiracy theorists to come on.

Caolán.

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Or Liverpool fans as they're also known

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28 Oct 2012 18:09:40
Well I predicted a win! And we got it we were brilliant first 20 defended ok! 1st red was definate 2nd not enough contact to being Torres down and Hernandez obviously didn't mean to be off side. Now the most pleasing aspect of the day for me was David De Gea he was phenomenal the saves from Luiz and Hazard were brilliant and the save from Torres was one of the best I've ever seen!

Caolán.

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Does anyone mean to be offside. It was touch and go! You've gotta say its tough being a linesman!

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28 Oct 2012 18:08:31
Wel wel wel.. I have seen many games united loosing or drawing to chelsea due to refree errors.. Today we won. So thats one back from a lot.
Chelseas heavy investment was looking far superior than ours. If its 11 vs 11..i can only fear the result.
I must thank god for this very imp 3 points
Rodio17

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28 Oct 2012 18:06:32
This league is a joke... Just two facts to show you what goes on week in week out:

Suarez scored from an onside position --> not given
Hernandez scored from an offside position --> given

There are so many more strange decisions in ManU's favor it's unreal... It works for them at the moment but the anger will turn against them... It's just a matter of time...

For me many of their titels are worthless and no ManU fan should be proud of this...

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Out come the conspiracy theories. Typical Liverpool fan.

Sydney!

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Bitter Liverpool fan by chance, Suarez should have been sent off 10 minutes relier. Dirty player and should be on uruguayan diving squad. LMOF

Shahram

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We've had plenty of bad ones too

Caolán.

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Obviously a bitter sad scouser!

Marky Mark

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Keep sucking them lemons
johndenton

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Are you kidding..... Every team has there decisions over a season it is just that when Man United get some its highlighted by everyone....

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28 Oct 2012 18:01:06
Miracles do happen though we got the luck and the ref. Got to improve in the middle of the park.
Martin Atkinson nowhere to be seen!
Come on u Reds.
NoMidfield

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Chelsea couldn't cope with the width today. The 4-2-3-1 is a good formation when it's played correctly and today it was executed correctly. I personally expected a draw today so I am well chuffed.

Sydney!

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28 Oct 2012 17:55:36
Ivanovic was rightfully sent off, Torres was rightly sent off. We won the match. Get over it!

G.A.G.U.S

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I don't think Torres was rightfully sent off, but I will take it.

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Ok if you say but I'm afraid we all know who are the better team, Chelsea walked over Man Utd and apart from some dodgy referee desiscions would have won that game nevermind enjoy believing your team is brilliant but we all know you were second best

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Ya I can see that! Everything was smoothy and clear. People watch game with one eye!

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Nonsense no name, we were the best team in the first half. A team that is losing will always be the team that has the impetus. Take last season for example, when we were 3.0 down it was all United. It's the way it goes, then throw in the fact that they were the home team and is it any surprise that they had a lot of the play. To be fair until Mata scored from a set-play I didn't see them scoring from open play.

Sydney!

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GAGUS you do talk some real rubbish at times. Another game that united have stolen from key opposition. A game where ANY team would have beaten Chelsea when they are down to only 9 men ! Fergies gonna need a bigger coat with more pockets... too many refs in the one hes got now {Ed004's Note - Right getting sick of the bitter posts ie Utd own all refs etc shit anymore and person is banned}

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28 Oct 2012 17:34:50
I could kiss Chicha right now

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28 Oct 2012 17:33:54
F***k! The Ref just destroyed the game. The game is done.
Shame on You Ref if we were to Win it had to be fair, even as a United FAN but the arbitrarion is more than poor!

Nick86

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Not sure you are a real United fan Nick. All those times we went to SB and was robbed by refereeing decisions. Glad we had the luck down there for a change.

Sydney!

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The first was a definite red, he didn't give the ref a choice. The second wasn't admittedly, but I can see why it was given as there was little contact.

Welsh Dragon

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The first red was certainly a red, silly tackle. Torres was unlucky, he had a bit of a roll but he was fouled. But I can't think of any united fan who wouldn't be happy that we won, even if some shoddy refereeing was involved.

Danny Pughnited

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Oh.. Reallyy..
I have witnessed lot of games winning by chelsea with help of refree.. So if get 1 in all whats wrong. Its called tit for tat in todays world
Rodio17

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The first was definitely a sending off. Torres fell over a bit late, probably why he got sent off...unlucky though! Decisions sometimes go your way, sometimes they don't! Get over it!

kdevil10

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Danny, good shout on the Young/Ivanovic prediction from the other day, I would say we were both spot on with that prediction.

Sydney!

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28 Oct 2012 17:31:26
Giggs for rooney ..

its 10 vs 9 now.

scholes shoulda come for giggs.
stupid

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Rooney was a favorite to get a second yellow, rightfully substituted.

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Thought Giggs looked good against 9 men, perhaps that's the answer.

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28 Oct 2012 17:29:07
Aw fudge.

19-20 MUFC

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28 Oct 2012 17:14:39
Here we go! We can't keep up this game at this pace till
the end of the game! We need to play better than the last minutes in the first half. 2-2 now and if we keep playing like this, more will come.

Nick86

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28 Oct 2012 17:14:33
SAf and coaching staff blind we need to make a change. Bring Anderson, chicarito Welback on for Cleverly, Young and Rooney. 2-2 and going the wrong way.

Shahram

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28 Oct 2012 17:14:15
Cleverley once again is the worst player on the pitch... It is becoming a consistent problem for us.. Anderson would be much more effective.

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Cleverley had a bad game today 'for once'.

Sydney!

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Do you watch United?

Percy

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28 Oct 2012 17:11:31
2-2 now! playing really bad, gotta change things around.

Desired.

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28 Oct 2012 16:53:18
De gea kept us in it since the 20th min

Caolán.

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For sure!
Young is a diver! Its was never RED CARD, personaly I don't think it was.

Nick86

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Lol... Just believe mate ;)

DodgyBanter

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If a player is fouled and it has prevented a possible goal scoring opportunity it's a red card.

Sydney!

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HMM Nick whose side are you on here mate. He did not dive and got his heels clipped. Whether intentional or not it is a sending off and Evans did not touch Torres and it was a dive and a yellow. WAs Torres already on a yellow?

Whether you think it was a decision that was wrong I will take it.

I will take the points because god knows we have been done in by ref decisions in the past.

Shahram

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That was a clear goal chance. Ivanovic interfered clearly regardless intentional or not it was a red card.

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U think to much nick.. Stop or ur empty part wil explode
Rodio17

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28 Oct 2012 16:52:55
if it wasnt for some rvp and degea brilliance we'd be losing right now. for me valencia can't cross(float the ball in) most of his assist come when he drills the ball! cleverly, evra and young are poor!
THis game is screaming out for scholes and NANI guys who can keep posession
sulei

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Haha Nani keep possession!

I've heard it all now!

Jono

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28 Oct 2012 16:51:28
Amazing defending from the lads in the first half, exciting game and De Gea is finally proving he is simply one of the best up and coming keepers. We need someone like Anderson to push forward right now.

-JakeW

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28 Oct 2012 16:49:43
What the hell was Rooney thinking absolutely personic challenge in that position and that is why he will never be a decent midfielder if he ever moves there........... Once again Cleverley has been shocking I much prefer Anderson he is a lot quicker with the ball.

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Cleverley had a great half. Rooney will never be a good midfielder because of one mistake, what about him running the game for 30 minutes?

GDS

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Sorry forgot we have welback, please take young off, he has been rubbish. basically anyone but young he looks knackered.

Shahram

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GDS you must be kidding, Cleverly no composure what so ever and completely outclassed by his counter parts on Chelsea and oh yes goy caught knapping on the scond goal. As I am writing this I see we have just subbed him.

Shahram

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28 Oct 2012 16:48:53
young and valencia are playing sh1t.. maybe we will se welbeck or chico in the second half for one of them?

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Aside from Valencia getting an assist and Young holding up then laying off to create the first? person.

Welsh Dragon

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Stick every midfielder on in the second half or we'll lose as I predicted.
NoMidfield

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28 Oct 2012 16:47:19
Whats wrong with Rooney?
That was just stupid! Sure Hazard dived, but still stupid!
The ref sucks big time as well!
Let's hope we can push up a little in the 2nd half
Jonny8

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28 Oct 2012 16:47:13
We can't give the ball away so quick. We need to keep possession or we'll get a goal and Chelsea will press even more to get the draw. C'mon guys play!!

Nick86

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Get a draw? Chelsea will put a few past us in second half. Our tactics are shocking.
NoMidfield

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28 Oct 2012 16:38:23
Good game so far.

Valencia is playing S***t.
Zero crossing, zero defending, zero overall!

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But 1 assist, work that one out...

GDS

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He got an Assist?

-JakeW

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Who assisted on the second goal

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You even watching the game pal?

Pardoe

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Disagree. Its the centre which they're getting through.

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Oh dear... Valencia has played well and had an assist from a cross.... You really should have gone to Specsavers.

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Apart from the incredible cross for RVP's goal. Obvs.

(And I'm not a Valencia fan... He held his own that half)

DodgyBanter

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What game you watching?

Toni and young have done exactly what's been asked of them.

Sit in when we don't have the ball and press fast when we get it. Only player I would single out as having a bad first half is Evra again!

Jono

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28 Oct 2012 16:37:07
Young is poor but gives us width, i would rather have nani on.

Shahram

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You feeling okay? Worst idea all day.
Young is playing brilliant, holding up the ball, getting back and defending well and the whole lot.

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Young has played well, Nani would have frustrated you at least twice as much!

DodgyBanter

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He got better in the second half but during those last 15 minutes of the first half he gave the ball away too easily. Rooney and Cleverly were also doing the same and we were getting squeezed deep in our half.

Shahram

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28 Oct 2012 16:32:30
2-0 great composed performance so far, I hope we push and stick another one in there and kill their spirit.

RVP absolutely great and right side of valencia and rafael carving chelsea up.

I love it

Shahram

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Pathetic last 15 minutes, sitting too deep and Rooney does his usual stupid thing when losing a ball and puts a rash challenge in.

Cleverly and Young doing nothing for me and have no composure, someone needs to have some composure when we win the ball back and play a decent pass or run out with it rather than booting it out.

Shahram

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28 Oct 2012 16:18:07
Can't believe what I'm seeing, 2-0!

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28 Oct 2012 16:07:00
Either Young has been sensational in training or the manager has no faith in Nani.... I know which one I am leaning towards.

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28 Oct 2012 15:44:58
i know on paper it looks like a 4-4-2 today..

but i can see rooney playing in the middle a lot as he will have to or we will get murdered in there...

so may end up looking like:

__________ De Gea

Raf __ Evans _ Rio _ Evra

___ Carrick _ Cleverly

Velencia _ Rooney _ Young

________ Van Persie

Oxred

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28 Oct 2012 15:35:25
As I suspected back to the 4-4-1-1. What does it mean that SAF can mention the fact Chelsea clearly play with a 5 man 2-3 set up and we go with the same old one sit one move midfield 2?

An I the only one that thinks there is absolutely no input from anyone?

If we are changing formation to try and implement a specific tactic then fair enough but our team selection AGAIN is one of a man that's just selecting wingers for wingers sake not even considering what we are up against!

If we lose the ball in the wingers position that will mean the fullback pushing on we will be over run as per usual from the midfield on.

This will be one frustrating watch IMO.

Jono

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Jono,

You frustrated?

GDS

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Haha as soon as we went 2-0 up I was thinking I'm looking like a tw*t for saying it but I'm very happy we are playing absorb and counter rather than trying to play.

Young and Toni provide cover when we play as deep as we have and I am happy about that.

Still very concerned about Evra he is all over the place except LB!

So no, not as frustrated as I thought I would be.

If this goes 2-2 then we should stick with it and not push out otherwise we will get picked off through the middle.

Jono

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28 Oct 2012 15:35:11
Why do we have no defenders on the bench?

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They are all injured... And we will need attacking players if we want to win.

-JakeW

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28 Oct 2012 15:30:22
The liverpool page should make a good read this evening

Ste-Utd

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28 Oct 2012 15:29:57
The team is set up to do one thing contain and counter!

Caolán.

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28 Oct 2012 15:26:35
Everton did well today holding the "best team in the world" to a 2-2 draw

19-20 MUFC

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28 Oct 2012 15:23:54
This is a game where we will miss Smalling the most he has a good turn of pace for a man of his size where Ferdinand fails at that with his age

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28 Oct 2012 15:21:05
a website saying it's a 4-4-2, But I think it's actually a 4-5-1 looking like this:

______________De Gea

_____Rafael_Evans_Ferdinand_Evra

_Toni_Clevelery_Rooney_Carrick_Young

_______________RVP

Turning into a 4-3-3 on the attack. Hoping Fergie gets this right today.

-JakeW

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Could it be a diamond formation

Carrick

Valencia Cleverly

Young

Rvp. Rooney.


Munkydunc

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28 Oct 2012 15:20:19
So Ashley Young starts which I expected only if he got game time against Braga which he didnt too my surprise. So I would of thought Nani picked ahead of him on match sharpness surely ??

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Young is better than nani on the left and valencia is better than nani on the right.

I am actually quite optimistic having seen the team sheet, glad scholes is not playing. Time for cleverly to either shine or you know what. Only concern is young and how sharp he is going to be.

Shahram

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28 Oct 2012 15:28:11
We've lost with this team :(

19-20 MUFC

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Really??

GDS

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Didnt realise you could see into the future!!

Coombesy

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28 Oct 2012 15:18:16
Very surprised Young has started, hopefully he can rebuild his confidence after that disappointing Euro performance.

-JakeW

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I can't believe this how can young start in such an important game when we know nani always tears chelsea apart, really bad decision from the gaffer?
sulei

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Young is there to cause Ivanovic problems and Valencia always causes Cole problems. I think Rooney is playing deep today to support the midfield.

Sydney!

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And what a game to put Young in? Bad decision in my view.
NoMidfield

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28 Oct 2012 15:10:16
Here we go again. Two wingers and two midfielders vs 5 Chelsea midfielders. No chance. Ferguson stubborn as always. We're screwed.
NoMidfield

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I am nto sure on young as he has not played for a long time and wonder if he is match fit.

Shahrm

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Agree, why is Young starting when he hasn't played in so long, rather see Anderson. At least he didn't start Scholes and Giiggs

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I think you will find with rooney playing deep, it is the same formation

Ste-Utd

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That is just what was expected of SAF

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I think it's the best formation for us.
A bit stubborn but its the best formation we could play.
We'll this one tonight surely.
Although would've preferred Anderson in place of Young.

PS Its better SAF played Carrick, Clev, Valencia & Young ; most of us expected him to play Carrick, Scholes, Clev & Giggs.

Roane

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Maybe the formation is 433,
cleverley------Carrick------Yang
tony--------RVP---------Roo

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That's clearly not the formation. It's a 5 man midfield with Rooney dropping back. We have two hard working wingers who can offer extra defensive protection, but can also break quickly. If you want to beat Chelsea then you have to attack them, their defence is weak and I think this is the best formation we can put out. What would people have, Anderson who can barely last 90 min, Scholes who has no pace, Fletcher who is clearly not 100%, or Giggs?

Danny Pughnited

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Good lord, the lambasting has started! Call yourself a fan!? Give them a chance you pessimistic dullard!

Andy S

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Nice to see the fans getting behind the team just before a big game.

CnM

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Just happy that saf didn't go with Giggs or scholes

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I think its gonna be a 4-5-1 with rooney dropping into the midfield, if not we are screwed.

Desired

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28 Oct 2012 14:32:42
does anyone know how much the new trainig kit deal is worth? assuming somethings in place already?

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28 Oct 2012 14:19:52
Shappy will be BUZZING at the news that we have been linked with Claudio Yacob!

Fresh!

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28 Oct 2012 14:13:25
Just a bit of fun here. If Pep was to take over from SAF, what formation do you think we would use and who from Barca do you think he'd try to move for?

I would say that this is what he would try and go for:

____________De Gea
____Smalling___Vidic___Evans
Valencia_____Busquets_______Alba
_____________Kagawa
_____Rooney___RVP____Welbeck

I think he'd also be interested in Fabregas. Of course there is no guarantee that he would go for any players from Barca. Just an interesting thought though!

Fresh!

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That team there looks deadly, would love if this happened. The only problem is Busquest.. I would only want him if he never dived again!

-JakeW

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Busquets is a terrible player full stop. Whatever about diving, he is just plain bad anyways. I'd really like to never see his name and Dani Alves mentioned here again.

Gar

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28 Oct 2012 13:42:58
Score predictions lads? I'm going 2-1 to us we will go 1 down as usual this year, then something special like a Rooney or rvp screamer to level and we will kick on with Hernandez getting the winner!

Caolán.

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Like your optimism but I don't share it. A draw will be a miracle for us.
NoMidfield

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I think we might lose 2-1. I would take a draw.

Shahram

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28 Oct 2012 13:36:13
Ed or ne1 in the know
Hw many defenders united have promoted from youth ranks nd been regulars in past. Except neville brothers.
Rodio17

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Evans

Shahram

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Brown, o Shea, Evans...

GDS

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Brown, O'Shea also

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O Shea, brown, Evans could you say rafael or was he signed?

Caolán.

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Rafael was signed

19-20 MUFC

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Ok.. So no genuine products except squad players..
I still dont rate evans as good defender.. It wil be under " just do " catagory.
Anyways thanks lads.
This shows that why we are not good at defending from roots.
Rodio17

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28 Oct 2012 13:35:06
How's everyone's nerves?!

Just got back from watching Skyfall, so I'm feeling like anything is possible!

I think we're due a win at the bridge, so with blind optimism I'm going for a 3-1 Utd win... I'm expecting goals.

Hopefully we'll be shaken, but not beaten by the end if the day ;)

DodgyBanter

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Going for a 2-1 win to us, RVP and Chicharito to score, with a Cahill screamer. Being optimistic here boys!

By the way DodgyBanter how is Skyfall? I don't know If I want to see it or not.

-JakeW

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2-2 with Mata and Hazard for chelsea and RvP scoring 2 for us

19-20 MUFC

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Skyfall is very good, hoping this afternoon is equally good watching!

DodgyBanter

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3-1 now with that team that SAF has put out

19-20 MUFC

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28 Oct 2012 12:06:34
watching catania vs juventus. the italian league is fu***ng corrupt.a perfect goal scored by catania is given offside after a gap of 60 seconds.

Also pogba is having a poor game

nikz

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Pathethic, a real disgrace. A clear offside goal was allowed for juventus while a perfectly good goal was disallowed for catania. I hope juventus get beaten soon, they have won a lot of their matches this way, and they dont deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as the undefeated Milan, yet alone break their record.

Mick

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I watched an earlier game of theirs and Pogba was quite poor. As i have stated before, i don't get to see a lot of the young guys that are mentioned here ad was quite curious to see what he was like and his positioning is poor and he hardly got a touch for about a 10 minute spell.

Shahram

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28 Oct 2012 11:33:56
right come on lads let have in the predictions and teams for today and we will see who gets the closest to team and result ill start;
----DDG-----
--Rafa--rio--evans--evra--
---carrick----clevs---
--Toni--------------Wazza--
----------RVP---------------
--------chico------------

I predict a 2-1 to united
Chris the REDman

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______DDG______
RAFA_RIO_EVANS_EVRA
_____CARRICK____
CLEVERLEY__ANDERSON
______ROONEY______
____RVP____CHICHA

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De Gea

Rafael
Rio
Evans
Evra

Scholes
Carrick
Cleverley

Toni V
RVP
Rooney

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De Gea
Rafael-Ferdinand-Smalling(if fit)-Evra
Carrick
Cleverley-Rooney-Nani
RVP-Hernandez

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28 Oct 2012 10:54:17
Hope Fergie doesn't bottle it with team selection today, i'd like to see this team:

. De Gea
Rafael Rio Evans Evra
Carrick
Toni.V Cleverley Anderson
Rooney RVP

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I have the same team with Welback instead of anderson.

Shahram

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28 Oct 2012 08:48:59
"When I first saw them playing with Oscar, Juan Mata and Eden Hazard in the same team, I would have thought that was a risk." fergy

tells you a lot about fergys mindset
jred

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Whilst they have looked great in the league, they have also has their ... handed to them by Athletico and now Shaktar and Juve controlled the middle of the pitch.

I think in those games, those teams had pacey, skillful midfielders which matched up well.

Hazzard, Matta, Oscar are not holding midfielders or great defenders so I can see where he is coming from.

Shahram

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And wot exactly is that??
Chris the REDman

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Agree jred

and for that reason he will start with either both fletcher & carrick or Scholes & giggs today and both will be a mistake....

Anderson & Cleverly should be playing infront of either carrick/fletcher

with rooney, rvp, wellbeck infront of them...

can only hope

oxred

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Aha the same risk that was acceptable 20 years ago except then it was the majority of the team not just three forwards of already good - great talent and experience. His ageing views on allot of issues are a cause for some real concern!

Jono

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Yet barcelona yesterday won 0-5 playing with 1 defender an inexperienced rb, its not about havin certain amount of players in aposistion its the idealogy , barca hav the smallest players around yet they boss 99% of games because they play how they want and not alter to counter their opponent, thats y i hate when i here things like kagawa wasnt in the squad because were playing stoke! also barca as a team is they are considered really offensive yet when they lose the ball they'll have it back in seconds something that we can't do.
rant over
sulei

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Pep will get us playing with modern tactics. The sooner the better. We have the players to beat any team.
NoMidfield

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Barca also happen to have the world's greatest player in Messi and probably as a combination the worlds greatest midfield due xavi/iniesta nad then add Fabergas and busquets they definitely have the best midfield in the world, so it makes it easy to play them and no dilemmas of selection.

We on the other hand have no midfield.

Shahram

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Shahram
im trying to make the point that just because chelsea r playin Oscar,mata,haz, they still have 11 players like their opponents and when they dont have the ball they shud put pressure on the other team, u dont have to be a vidic to try and tackle or follow ur man like barcelona do
sulei

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Sulei,

Got it, This Barcelona team is probably the greatest team that ever has played and the players are outstanding and they have great team spirit.

I don't believe SAF is not brave but you have to work with what you have and at the moment we don't have the right players in our midfield and aging CB's.

Shahram

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28 Oct 2012 05:43:36
Thanks for leaving no name you complete imbecile. Explain why using the club to pay hundreds of millions of pounds in interest and debt servicing is a good idea. Oh you can't? Then shut up and move on.

AJH"""
dear mr ajh
ngiak is not sure who the imbecile is
only the very short sighted and the juveniles will not know the phrase
'short term pain for long term gain'
ngiak wonders how tripling the commercial revenue
and spending 100 million in 2 seasons
is a bad thing?
and in about 3 - 5 years time when the debt is written off
ngiak wonders what the likes of you will complain about when the annual revenue is 250 million or more a year?
gan

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Thew annual revenue will be £500m appx. Free cash-flow will be about £150m. Whoever said the Glazers were stupid?

Aesop

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Gan, you assume revenue would not have tripled without the Glazers. The TV deal and a 30% increase in ticket prices all played a part as well. I understand the model, I see the Gkazers are commercially astute...but you will never convince me spending (to date) £500M to service a debt is an appropriate way to run our club.

AJH

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Annual revenue is already at 350 mate and some estimate it to be around 500 in a few years.

Shahram

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To successfully increase revenue exponentially in the way you are expecting we will need notable success on the pitch. We have highlighted the team shortfalls which if unresolved will see our position at the top weaken. You cannot be certain of increasing revenue.
The lack of vital player investment bringing less success could well impact revenue.

To those saying look where we will be in three years step back and look at Arsenal that is what they have been saying for years now. My thoughts are that our success in the next two years is not guaranteed with an ageing team and there is no formal plan to our knowledge of paying the debts unless there is another share issue.

Red Man

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28 Oct 2012 11:08:33
It was the PLC that decided the ticket prices were to rise significantly, this was agreed before the Glazer takeover. So you cannot blame ticket price hikes on the Glazers I am afraid. And it would be clever to remember that Arsenal's cheapest season ticket is more expensive than our most expensive. Being a season ticket holder for 23 years I sure can't complain about the prices to entertainment ratio. Pedro

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In the ipo presentation something like 40% of our revenue came from tv deals, and 30 % from matchday, something like that.
would either of them been that different with out the glazers
jred

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AJH, you're assuming revenue WOULD have tripled. Lets be honest, none of us really know the complexities of the financial situation at the club and none of us know what would have been had the Glazers not taken over.

TK-Red

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No one is questioning glazers financial acumen, it is their greed and lack of passion for our club that is in question.
NoMidfield

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28 Oct 2012 00:15:45
This is the team i'd go with tomorrow:

___________DDG
Rafael__Evans__Ferdinand__Evra
_______Carrick_Fletcher
___Valencia_Rooney_Cleverley
___________RVP

The only change to that i'd make is Anderson in for Fletcher if he isn't deemed ready for a fixture of this importantce yet. I'd leave Scholes on the bench as i feel this game could be too fast for him. And Giggs i'd leave in Manchester.

Cleverley isn't on the left wing but on the left hand side of the three, it'll be his Rooney and Valencia's job to press high up the pitch forcing Chelsea onto the back foot and stopping them getting Mata Hazard and Oscar on the ball and dictating the game. We need to cut the supply off to those players as they would destroy our defence atm. I've put Carrick and Fletcher there as an insurance policy incase we get caught on the break, having two players shielding the defence should keep us safe.
I've also gone with Evra as i don't think Buttner is ready for a game of this magnitude yet, if he had a bad game it could put his progress back alot.

Chelsea are very strong going forward but their defence isn't that great, if we press them high it'll put pressure on their weaker defence and cut off their danger men thus neutrilisng the danger to our injury ravaged and disorganised defence.

But i doubt we'll see such tactics or formation tomorrow unless they are wearing blue. C'est la vie.

Shappy

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I was going to put the same team up , i also think fergy might play it but i think the 2-3-1 might end up looking more like a 5-1
jred

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I may be shot down for this but i'd start nani.
he causes ivanovic a lot of problems and tends to up his game when playing chelsea.

TRUMORS

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Shapps

I like the look but to be honest at Chelsea I cannot. See SAF going so attack minded. It may well be those exact players but very much a 4-4-1-1. I posted a team that could absorb the pressure and hit hard on the counter with Chicho and RVP up top which when the inevitable happens that Liiz gets sucked into coming forward then we run them over with support from Rooney and clevs. IMO that will be a more negative approach but one that we are far more capable of pulling off. We have tried playing up against them before and 'luck' would have us unstuck at the bridge but a more conserved approach with concentration on solid defence and counter would be my choice.

SAF?

Well back to the old 4-4-1-1 I feel no Matter what line up the sky lot show it as.

One thing for sure is that we should not play the diamond!

Jono

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I would agree TRUMORS. Both Ivanovic and Cole like to get forward and if we play a diamond then they will have all the space in the world to double up on our fullbacks. In this game, I think our best form of defence is attack. Other "smaller" teams have gone to Chelsea and had a go and some have come close. With our extra quality up front, we should be looking to do the same.

TK-Red

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