Manchester United Banter Archive October 28 2018

28 Oct 2018 19:51:43
Interesting to hear Jose's comments when asked about Martial's improvement. He spoke about the outside influences effecting the progress and if you listen to the coaching staff and not outsiders, agents l assume, you will improve and get game time.

29 Oct 2018 02:56:08
Yes it's all down to stupid martial listening to his agent. Nothing to do with you know, signing 500k rubbish and benching martial for most of the 2nd half of the season or constantly having digs at him going as far as Mourinho moaning about him staying back with his ill wife after birth of his child. It Definitely had nothing to do with Sanchez starting game after game while being worst player on the pitch while few bad passes saw martial subbed off and benched for next 3-4 games or Mourinho wanting Willian and doing his best to push martial out of the door.

It's all down to stupid martial listening to his evil agent.

29 Oct 2018 07:04:22
That’s a bit unfair CSM. I don’t think many of us expected AS to be this bad when he signed. He was one of the top 5 players in the premier league at Arsenal. But here he doesn’t get goal side enough. And he is never going to regain his form if you don’t play him. We have all seen Martial be lazy in tracking back and be inconsistent over a few games. Yes, he has the talent and is getting into better areas to support the team but he needs to do more of what he did yesterday to become a regular starter at Man Utd. You can’t disagree that Martials agent stirred up things in the summer saying he wants to leave when the player himself has said he has never had any issues with Mourinho.

29 Oct 2018 09:21:37
Martial had a storming game.

He put in a shift defensively. Stunning finish for the goal. My favourite was his wing play when he set up the Mata header with a left foot cross - if he adds that to his game consistently then he is definitely number 1 choice. If he slots the 1 on 1 then it would have been a perfect performance.

29 Oct 2018 09:28:41
Ryan, i don't think anyone disputed sanchez’s quality when he signed for us. But what was the logic in signing a third left winger when we had two players who were doing well in that position.

To further compound this error, sanchez was continually played when his performances were poor. For a supposedly ruthless manager like mourinho to put up with such poor performances week after week and then treating martial like he had to perform every time he played otherwise he wouldn't see first team action for weeks is definitely going to put his nose out of joint.

Good thing woodward with no football knowledge stepped in and kept martial and jose didn't get his way.

29 Oct 2018 11:59:59
Martial is in a good vein of form and according to the manager he has changed his attitude and work ethic to a large degree.
I think the manager got it right yesterday when he said when players are not playing well the blame lies 50/ 50 between the manager and players. Also when a player turns it around the creditgoes 50/ 50 between coach and player.
Shaw and martial have started doing more of what the manager wants them to do and they are reaping the rewards.
Jose is being more tolerant and is trusting them and is reaping the rewards.
Its not all a 1 way street. If shaw and martial had not changed their ways and met the manager at least half way then they would still not be playing.
The players are doing more of what the manager demands and they are playing weekly it looks like everyone deserves some credit.

29 Oct 2018 14:51:51
Good post that Ken and as they say . You can't clap with one hand.

29 Oct 2018 15:08:21
Ken I don't think you can credit Mourinho with anything good martial has done, shaw yes but not martial. The martial we are seeing recently is the same martial we saw last season in the first half. You give him game time and a bit of freedom and he gives you good albeit at times inconsistent performances.

Mourinho refused to give him any game time 2nd half of the season for martial to do anything. Also if Mourinho had his way we would have William instead of martial right now and given how matic has performed we know how Mourinho's 30 yr old fetish turns out for us.

29 Oct 2018 16:42:29
Wouldn't Willian have played on the right?

29 Oct 2018 18:05:11
At right back, Mort.

29 Oct 2018 18:05:57
Martial is back playing as well as he was before he got dropped for Sanchez.

Great to see 2 very talented young players showing what they can do .

{Ed025's Note - unfortunately martial wants to do it somewhere else jred, he was very good yesterday mate and gave coleman a nightmare..

29 Oct 2018 19:05:00
Coincidence that’s a Shaw and Martial play well together as they have formed an understanding over the last 2-3 seasons, or just fluke.

Rashford right, Martial left, give Sanchez a go up top and rotate with Lukaku. Nice.

28 Oct 2018 14:03:37
Team leaked 3 hours before kick off, cannot be happening. De Gea, Valencia Smalling Linfelof Shaw, Fred Matic Pogba, Mata Rashford Martial.

Whoever is leaking the team must be found ASAP.

{Ed025's Note - the fella picking it needs sorting out first scholesy.. :)

28 Oct 2018 14:14:30
We shall banter after we beat you Ed025 lol.

{Ed025's Note - i look forward to it mate.. :)

28 Oct 2018 15:05:22
Maybe valencia released it😂😂😂.

28 Oct 2018 15:20:37
It was in English 😂.

28 Oct 2018 15:22:54
I worry about the potential fluidity of Everton's front three, Bernard, Richalson and Walcott could cause us a lot of problems. Especially if Sigurdson has a good day pulling the strings.

{Ed025's Note - lets hope so shappy.. :)

28 Oct 2018 15:49:00
Would also liked to have seen Herrera replace Matic, big fan of Matic but needs to be rotated a lot more to see the best of him.

28 Oct 2018 18:07:19
Are you still looking forward to it Ed? 😁.

{Ed025's Note - not really scholesy, you were the better side i feel and martial the difference between the 2 sides, im happy with our progress though as we are a million miles from where we were under fat sam, when we get a centre forward in january it may be a different result at our place mate..

28 Oct 2018 18:34:17
Fair assessment Ed, a lot better on the ball this season than you were last season though, goodluck for the rest of the season, apart from when we play you at your place lol.

{Ed025's Note - right back at ya mate..

28 Oct 2018 06:28:25
I saw a comment on here yesterday saying people should get a grip and we are a top 6 side. It’s pretty sad when he best we can do is refer to ourselves as a top 6 side but my question right now is, are we?

If we win today we will move up to 8th, but even if we keep a clean sheet there will only be 4 teams who have conceded more than we have, and De Gea has been Player of the Year 4 times in the last 5 years. We are out of the League Cup (to a Championship side), progress in Europe looks like coming down to an away game against Valencia, in the League we have lost to Brighton and a poor West Ha, and across all competitions so far we have lost a third of our games.

Since SAF retired there have been a catalogue of bad decisions. Jose won a couple of cups in his first year and progressed to runners up last year but the signs this year all point in one direction.

I know we have some deep rooted issues but we really should be right now, we need some players but we have talent and ability throughout the squad. Right now we are bang average, and I don’t see that changing any time soon.

28 Oct 2018 07:03:06
On current form we aren’t a top 6 side unfortunately tony. But this squad is more than capable of competing for top 4, perhaps third place. I don’t think the defence is good enough for us to win the title. Yes there are lots of problems off field but that doesn’t excuse the fact that Jose and the players are underperforming. We have Sanchez martial rashford Lukaku pogba mata Lingard for Christ sake. We play like we are the underdogs against every opposition we face. Reactionary football. No identity or style of play that we look to impose on the opposition. Just timid and conservative football hoping for a mistake by the opposition and a moment of magic from our forwards. I can’t see how anybody would think that not changing the manager wouldn’t improve us on the pitches. Yes the off field problems will still be there but at least we would enjoy watching united again.

28 Oct 2018 10:23:11
I must say, I’m not an advocate of sacking Jose, but the signs are there that it’s very much time for both parties to end this marriage of (in) convenience.

However, I can only assume we have plans in place and these are most likely to be in summer rather than now.

28 Oct 2018 10:23:59
I agree Park, and I typed the same but the last paragraph got garbled (fat fingers) . We should be challenging but we're not even at the party right now. And don't forget this is the same defence that was very solid last year.

28 Oct 2018 11:04:50
Spot on Tony. No excuses for the position we are in. If anything, our team has improved with the additions of Fred and pereira in midfield. Being this far down in the league is inexcusable. We shouldn’t accept mediocrity. We are Manchester United not Burnley. We embarrassed ourselves on the big stage against Juve. Which top player wants to come and play for us when we play football like this? Personally if we are going to wait till the summer then I would go all out for Poch. Think he would do some potentially great things at united.

28 Oct 2018 11:21:53
I really have no mood to watch the game given all the sadness around - Hoddle, Leicester owner, Pittsburgh shooting. What a dark weekend.

28 Oct 2018 11:47:07
Get rid of players like Smalling, Jones, Sanchez and Pogba and start fresh. We even need a partner for Lukaku as he doesny score when it matters and needs proper competition.

28 Oct 2018 13:26:24
If it was me I’d say to Poch how much you want to come, and here’s £400m, bring Kane, Eriksen and the 2 Centre halves with you. Poch ticks all the boxes for me, overachieved at spurs with limited funds, unfortunately you need money to complete, he plays football the right way, knows how to manage players, likes to bring in some youth, knows the Prem, perfect fit for me. I know we've more to solve upstairs than just changing manager but it will only end one way with Jose unfortunately, offer Poch before Real come sniffing again. Obvs rose 4 players would improve us and spurs need the money, not saying we’d get all but imagine them 4 in our spine.

28 Oct 2018 13:37:01
I agree completely welsh.

28 Oct 2018 14:53:45
AJH,
Having posted yesterday that we might even struggle to keep in the upper half of the league (IF we do not win convincingly today. ) I agree that 3 points today could be the start of something. Points lost today, given the awful start, and last seasons post Christmas dip, I want to be wrong but I have deep foreboding. As I said we have a group of players than could serve us reasonably well but they fail to consistently function as a coherent team.

Our failing seem to come from failure to really concentrate on defence and inability to put away the few chances we make. Basic things a good coach should be able to sort. Jose only seems able to try and buy in ready made short term answers.

I think a change of coach is on the horizon but I don't want a change in manager at the present as I have no faith in the present regime to make a decent appointment given the last three disasters.