Manchester United Banter Archive July 29 2014

29 Jul 2014 23:04:25
Just saw an interesting article that believes Shaw not being fit enough is actually Shaw is not fit enough for what LVG wants him to do. He's going to need him to be running an extra few km a game to provide with in all thirds, so we should take this extra training as a good sign taht LVG is fully preparing the team

{Ed008's Note - The Wing-Backs in this formation do a lot of running have to be up and down the flanks to provide the width, Shaw is gonna be a great Left Wing-Back under LVG.

30 Jul 2014 00:08:09
Ed008, welcome to the united page!

{Ed007's Note - Ed008's got more clubs than a Bamm-Bamm Rubble look-a-like competition.}

29 Jul 2014 21:32:38
If and a big if we signed Cavani where would he play exactly. I personally don't want him, we don't even need him. If he did sign what formation would we play to fit in Cavani Mata Herrera Rooney, RVP and Januzaj. It would be impossible to keep them all happy imo.

If we sign him, we sell Rooney

Would rather have Rooney than Cavani has whined being played on the right for Psg but Rooney dosent really mind

30 Jul 2014 00:05:33
He's tall and strong and enjoys being in and around the penalty box so I would expect us to play him at centre half if we signed him. Lol.

29 Jul 2014 20:21:58
As a Saints fan I won't comment on whether Luke Shaw is worth whatever you guys paid for him. Personally I think he is a very good player - though not a Gareth Bale. What is interesting though is Van Gaal hanging him out to dry with the training on his own story. Hmm. hard man showing how tough he is by slapping young kid around. Don't recall Sir Alex trying to make a name for himself that way. Go and pick on someone your own size Louis?

29 Jul 2014 20:37:44
I'm firmly of the belief he is just doing extra training. There is no way he is missing out on technical drills etc.

Question, did saints fans ever think Bale would be as big as he is?

What a load of rubbish. How on earth is that hanging out to dry? The lad has turned up for pre season and LvG has decided he isn't fit enough. It happens to plenty of players every season so of course he is going to put on a specific fitness regime. Luke Shaw may be a 'kid' as you put it but he has also just been handed a very lucrative contract at one of the worlds biggest clubs. So he'll have to be professional and just get on with it.

Think you might find that Shaw is unfit and maybe a few pounds over-weight.

He's a kid being paid £100,000 a week who wasn't keeping his fitness level at the expected level. It's the minimum expected of a professional football player, and Shaw agreed with the training programme. Far too many young players (Zaha for instance) think they've made it once they move to a big club. Van Gaal is keeping the lad's feet on the ground, and not so subtlely telling him that the real hard work is only starting. That's how promising young players can become top class players down the line.

There is a lot of nonsense about Shaw. If you look at his physique he is naturally a little bulky and perhaps he overdid the weights too much. If you look at Ashley Cole he was more lithe and able to do more miles at a high pace. We are very English thinking in that we want robust players whilst LvG sees a far bigger picture than an English 442 with strong muscular players. I think it is a good thing that he has quickly identified how to improve Shaw and one that Shaw will appreciate. In fact if Shaw asked on how to improve he will appreciate it even more. We should remember that the level at United is higher than his previous club and that probably included fitness and physique. I recall RVP saying we changed his training regime before his first season with us to strengthen muscles not focussed on so closely previously. It is all part of meticulous preparation, something LvG is excellent at.

A lot of opposition fans will love that they think they have any chances to belittle us but actually LvG will improve Shaw which will be to the benefit of England.

I think those opposition who are laughing now, won't be during the season!

I don't think there was any need to tell the press

29 Jul 2014 19:16:54
Can I remind you guys Allegri once said thiago sliva and zlatan ibrha . were staying and were happy, not long later they were sold?

Now personally I don't think Vidal is coming to us but what I do expect is for us to go for a cm, who I don't know but for certain a cm and cb will come in at some point!

As regards to tonight I hope we see a good showing again, looking forward to seeing Blackett again if he plays and also how good we will be tactically.

29 Jul 2014 17:21:27
A few days ago it was reported in various sources that the agent of Cavani has met with United representatives four times over the last couple of weeks. Cavani has now been replaced on the PSG away kit poster, which is identical to the home kit poster, with Cabaye. Should we read much into this eds?

Yes, it means Cavani doesn't like the away kit

29 Jul 2014 16:33:43
Sly Sports News said Juventus said Vidal not going anywhere and he does not want to leave.

Looking like we are in for another late window rush, a while to go but not as optimistic as I had hoped!

29 Jul 2014 17:02:58
This is what the Juventus manager has just said, what else do you expect him to say?

OHx

Not sure why you're surprised man.

Summer 2013 - Woodward's man-baby, creepy little head plastered all over the media, telling us fans how wealthy we are and how world-class talent wants to join.

Woody disappears, "Moyes wants to evaluate the squad", we sign Fellaini for an inflated fee on deadline day.


Summer 2014 - Woodward's man-baby, creepy little head plastered all over the media, telling us fans how wealthy we are and how world-class talent wants to join.

"LVG wants to bide his time and evaluate the players over the next few weeks".

Woody seems to be laying low.

I expect Vermaelen and possibly Daley Blind for an inflated fee in the final days of the window.

GDS2 -

How about nothing?

I can't see a deal happening now.

Our manager said he wouldn't sell real madrid a virus so i'm not worried in the slightest, football managers are all liars in one way or another.

29 Jul 2014 18:24:38
Do u believe sniederlin and Rodriguez are staying?

Yeah but it took another year for the virus to be sold! We need our Virus now.

I hate the lies and hidden meanings behind everything. there is just no ethics left in the game anymore now money has taken over. Can't believe a thing we read or even see with our own eyes thanks to photo shop.

What do u expect manager of juve to say that Vidal is leaving us before the deal being completed that will make a lot of juve fans angry .

I am assuming they are trying to secure his replacement first and make it sound like Vifal pushed for the deal and juve had no choice but to let an unhappy player leave.

Now I am not saying its us that he may move to but if he is moving this is probably the best way to deal with the situatuon by keeping fans happy and not putting any pressure on their new manager or the club.

If he was to stay there wouldn't have been any negotiations or the manager simply didn't need to speak to the media every other day to assure fans that their main asset isn't leaving.

RED_SKY I know where your coming from, just hoped I guess that Woody had seen the light from last year.

I have faith in the team, others have brought in players, but I'm still convinced with LVG and a couple of real quality players we would be back to our best. Just feel behind the scene enough is not being done for the playing side, not nearly as much as the commercial and with our history it saddens me deeply.

I will always be optimistic, win or loose but I just wish the suits wouldn't the team back where it belongs

Anyway, hope we have another good outing against Inter :) I'm getting to the stage that I'm not looking at transfer rumours, except on this site. I feel is only genuine source of info we can rely on nowadays M8

Watching LVG's press conference when oh spoke about the Broken Team, and ZAHA needs to be an attacker to stay. I am not sure what targets he would bring in now, bit confused. Is out and out LWB and an out and out RWB.
Any ideas would be appreciated on possibilities and formation etc :)

Thanks in Advance

Has anyone entertained the notion that the manager might not have wanted Vidal?

In fairness, Fergie said he wouldn't sell them a virus, and he didn't. He decided to sell them the world player of the year instead. Pretty big white lie granted, but not a lie.

R7, so after what the editor has said today you think it won't happen? Based on what? What the manager said? The manager who has zero say in what happens to his players.

Sam, you mean the manager doesn't want Vidal, but we are trying to sign him anyway? I'm confused.

Syd - I've searched across the pages and can see no mention of any news on Vidal from any of the editors. Am I missing something?

If there was still a chance of Vidal leaving Juventus I would have expected the manager to stick with the 'we plan on keeping him if the player wants to stay' spiel we got from th GM yesterday. By suggesting that Vidal has said that he's staying he's opened the club up to criticism from the fans if Vidal were to leave (ie they can't say that he forced the move having told them he wants to stay today).

Ed said there will be a decision made by this Saturday, by that time we will know one way or the other.

30 Jul 2014 10:04:02
My view is that lots of posters on this site immediately believe any negative story while shooting down the positive ones. I'm not saying we will get Vidal but it's clear interest is there and we are about to bid/have bid. As Ed002 said earlier there will be a decision by the weekend.

A manager coming out and saying his best player is going nowhere is what the fans want to hear and if he leaves the club can say that his head was turned or it was his decision and the club honoured this. Look at us with Ronaldo, Tottenham with Bale, Suarez with Liverpool, pretty much up until they were sold each player's club were stating he is there player and it will remain that way.

30 Jul 2014 10:04:29
I don't think he's suggested any such thing. I would be amazed if Vidal has told Allegri that he wants to stay.

Copy and pasted for you my friend:

{Ed002's Note - The offer is in the hands of a third party, and my understanding is that it is not the only offer for the player. Once the player makes it clear he wishes to leave, and the financial implications of that have already been made clear to his representatives, then I would expect his future to be resolved by Saturday.}

002, found it, can I ask if the other offer is a worry for MU? In your opinion? Thanks as always.

Sydney!

{Ed002's Note - It will be a worry but I suspect that Manchester United can sort something out by the weekend - there does remain that other dependency I explained.}

29 Jul 2014 15:20:14
Not a rumour as such but I was just thinking if you could sign 1 British player this window who would it be?

for me it would be Aaron Ramsey.

{Ed007's Note - C*****e A**m.}

29 Jul 2014 15:35:43
haha Charlie Adam is up there in my top 5 most hated players.

Haha no thanks Bond :)

Barkley

I'd agree with Ramsey 'cos he's more what we need than any other.

Obviously Bale wouldn't be bad and Cahill could make us better as well.

Wouldn't mind the Ox at OT either. he's better than all our wingers

29 Jul 2014 16:17:09
Bale?

Gareth bale by a distance

29 Jul 2014 13:54:54
Where's modric stand at Madrid at the moment, kroos has come in, could he be available? Although too attacking for us we need a more defensive minded player, any thoughts?

29 Jul 2014 14:07:46
------Modric------Kroos------
Bale-------James-------Ronaldo
------------Benzema--------------

Modric still has a part to play for madrid and madrid would be very unlikely to sell. If he did become availible the chelsea would be the team i'd expect him to sign for. Jose rates in highly and have enquired about him when he was at tottenham and madrid. As far as i'm aware utd would have no intrest in him.

This means XABI, illarramendi, Khedira, Isco, Casemiro will be surplus to requirements or will be playing ocassionally.

I think Ozzy is right with the formation, though it does seem to lack steel. Modric is hugely popular there, and rightly so. Fantastic player. They may drop James in games where they need a more defensive or stabilizing presence.

29 Jul 2014 15:26:53
Wish we had their midfield options!!

29 Jul 2014 12:48:24
i see luke shaw is following the anderson diet, of a ten peice fryied chicken bucket with no side salad lol,
ps, on a more serious note, I think utds new manager will improve the team, I can see a 6th place finish this season for utd.

Its time to change your name to . sfc

He is clearly not overweight is he. The main reason will be his position he will play and the fact he will be expected to cover more miles than any other player. Perhaps he can pop to Liverpool and when he is chased through to streets he will get fitter.

29 Jul 2014 13:04:30
I see the kids are on their summer holidays again.

Well this is rich.

I'm sure Lambert and Borini will make sure next year is your year.

In the mean time, we'll sign Vidal and dominate every midfield in the EPL.

If we do finish 6th next season, I'll still bet my house it'll be 4 places about Liverpool.

29 Jul 2014 13:14:56
Adam lallana is clearly conducting himself well, already injured.

29 Jul 2014 12:35:39
Ed002, whatever El Mercurio reporting about Vidal is believable?
Is there a chance it could happen?

{Ed002's Note - You are kidding right?}

29 Jul 2014 11:34:54
Do you guys find it interesting that LVG has said he wanted to judge the squad before making any decisions, but he let Rio go before doing that? Especially since Giggs said he would be starting if he had his way, which just doesn't make sense unless -

LVG wanted the old guard out irrespective, the ones who knew too much about the Utd of old (SAF), the ones he felt he couldn't mould any longer and may have been competing with, (what does that say about Carrick Fletcher even Rooney - one strike and you're out?)

If LVG wants pace and a clean slate I understand that, but it does seem rash.

We are crying out for some experience and Rio could do a job in certain circumstances especially as part of a 3, obviously slow, but we are very short at the back and it is odd that Giggs would tell Arry that he doesn't agree with LVG's decision knowing Arry has a gob on him!

I get the impression Rio would have been more than happy to have had a pre-season at Utd for LVG to assess matters, so it seems like a bit of a rash decision to me considering our lack of experience, numbers and quality at the back - what does it say about the trust in Giggs as well, undermined much?!

29 Jul 2014 11:59:19
Maybe he just saw him play once or twice in the last 2 years?

29 Jul 2014 12:00:17
Beast if that's the case would Rooney and Carrick not be offloaded as they played under sir Alex for quite a while? I just think rio left because we could see his legs were going and same for evra.

29 Jul 2014 12:18:02
Maybe LVG was following Rio's twitter a/c last season and thought he's not going to do that to me

Beast, Rio wasn't up to it, why do you think he's at the massive club QPR. If it's true about Giggs wanting to keep him Ryan has a lot to learn.

Ithink Giggs was too close to Rio.both legends at the club but there comes, a time when you have to move on. Giggs will learn this hard nose approach from van gaal in next few years.
I think with 1 leader brought in Vermarlen/Hummels then Jones and Evans will thrive if they stay fit. Especially if we get Vidal as I don't see us getting over run like last year.

29 Jul 2014 13:32:53
A hundred grand a week on a 35 year old with declining knees who was only going to be a but part player made no sense from either footballing or financial perspectives.

Th old guard needed moving on. For some of them it was long overdue.

I agree he needed to go as he is not longer great same as Vidic, but wouldn't have hurt to keep him if we don't sign the players we want and we have no experience at the back at all. let's face it we are hardly guaranteed to buy the quality we need at the back this window and LVG would have gotten rid of everyone based on last years performances pretty much.

I addressed Carrick & Rooney in my OP - they also have new contracts so it's not as easy as letting them walk like he did Rio. I also think Rooney could adjust to be a key player if he applies himself.

Obviously Rio has a mouth on him, but LVG wanted to judge things for himself apparently and with his No 2 saying he would be starting in his team it doesn't make sense.

It just strikes me as a bit rash and Rio would read the game very well at the centre of a 3. Wouldn't have hurt saying to Rio we will give you a 2month contract to see how you fit the new system and then you can be a free agent to join another team if it doesn't work - he would have accepted those terms imo.

The Beast; Rio would have been out of contract before the tour started. They surely would have had to extent his contract by a year, just so LvG could have a look at him. Knees, back, can't run anymore and is 35, that's all you need to look at.

29 Jul 2014 10:58:02
First of all, gud job Eds.
Eds or any1, can u please clarify me the Vidal situation?. Are we still in for him?

{Ed004's Note - Trying reading previous posts but there is interest}

I can see why the eds get pissed off with people here given your post.

29 Jul 2014 10:06:19
Hi eds Just wondered with Carricks injury and the possibility of Anderson moving on do you believe we are interested in more than 1 CM in this window?

{Ed004's Note - I think we need one more atleast}

29 Jul 2014 11:33:18
I still think De Jong could be a good shout at a reasonable fee . Experienced DM who would be a good player to have in the squad alongside Herrera Carrick and ( hopefully) Vidal

Agree on the De Jong front Bilko as much as there is an obsession on this site for"world class" superstars we are not a club that has historically gone down this route.
Over the years our foundations have been built on reliability, endeavour and a love for the game.
I think De Jong ticks those boxes, don't get me wrong I too would love Vidal and believe to challenge this year we need him but we also could do with a few more consistent 7/10 style players we can rely on week in week out.

29 Jul 2014 07:09:49
We definatly need a starting right back who is hard and durable. or say proper right wing back according to new formation.
Or say promote from within now.
Rafael is really p**** his chances as he is mostly. I will repeat the word mostly injured.
I think he is batter suited to slow Italian league
Out of 10 matches he only manages to play 3and 7 out injured.
He should be sold or kept as back up.

29 Jul 2014 09:23:44
He played 28 games last season, and 40 the year before. He does seem to get injured a fair bit but that is not somebody who is 'mostly injured' and is certainly not a ratio of 3 in 10.

29 Jul 2014 10:16:22
2 seasons ago he was one of our best players, very few players played well over the course of last season. I still rate him.

29 Jul 2014 02:34:42
LVG is making luke shaw train on his own does this mean something?

{Ed007's Note - It'll be Rooney's fault....

Apparently, Shaw is deemed unfit to LVG thus a fitness plan was created for him hence him training on his own.

Rooney paid for a freezer load of Gregs to be shipped to the states and then force fed them to Shaw like he was a foie gras duck. No wonder van Gaal is keeping Shaw away from the first team.

28 Jul 2014 23:52:32
I know it is frustrating on the transfer front but I trust lvg. He knows the players he needs and the type of players he wants. It think we all got excited as Herrera and shaw were signed and we were strongly linked to Vidal, di maria and hummels. I do not think the media really know who lvg wants as we are linked with more players than any team. De vrij seems lazio bound which is suprising as I think at the price he would of been a good signing but if lvg really wanted him you would imagine he would of bid for him. We do need at least one centre half and maybe two. I think hummels would be a good addition but it looks unlikely. He is good at reading the game and excellent passer although he does lack pace and I think we need that. How many top class defenders are gettable? I think vermaelen seems possible and he would be decent. I have no real idea who we will go for in defence. I feel we need at least one centre midfielder and it seems like Vidal is the one we want and he is quality but its a lot of money and he is 27. William Carvalho is a beast and is young and more defence minded and maybe more suited to play with Herrera. Either would vastly improve our midfield. I think we need a pacey winger but di maria I think is too expensive and it seems as though depay is Not ready yet according to lvg. Looking at how we might play maybe cuadardo maybe the answer. I think a utulity player should also come in and perhaps blind would be perfect. I do not see us getting cavani and to be honest I don't want him as he is in my opinion overrated and overpriced and we have rvp Rooney welbeck. Mata I think will be a big player for us this year and I think young adnan will improve under lvg as will ddg. It is obvious we need to sell or let players go and my list of leavers is Anderson, nani, young and cleverley. I think zaha, hernandez and smalling also could be in danger also. I would hope we get a four of hummels, Vidal, cuardado and blind I think that would be great but I think it may be more like vermaelen, de jong, gaitan and song. Hope I am wrong guys. I do however feel positive with lvg at the helm and feel we will see far better football and passion in the coming season. We have a proper football manager who knows what it takes.I am going to the swansea game and can't wait. I think lvg will have us playing as a team and I think with a few signings we can make at least top four.

Good post johnjoe. Add Fellaini to your exit list and I am with you.
Still dreaming of Vidal, Carvalho, Cuadrado, and one more center back.

Read what LVG said and it sounds like we are definitely in for a left sided winger if we were to play a 433 and quadrate makes sense and real possibility. It is quite obvious no one besides Janusaj to a retain extent is effective playing on the left side for us.

Waiting to see weather young and nani both go or just one. Hope nani goes and I am ok with keeping young when you look at market and what players are going for and replacement with slightly better will cost a fortune and probably not make much business sense.

We need a 2 CB. please buy at least one.

Vidal at 27 is precisely what we need. We need a man in Midfield not a coming of age young gun, we have had too many of those in recent years throughout the team and none of them manifest themselves into quality players. Hargreaves would have been ideal had it not been for his injuries, but aside from that we have too many "potential" players, not enough current players.

Agree with the rest.

GCU, agreed - 2CB's and 2 CM's before anything else for me, otherwise one injury and we are buggered.

28 Jul 2014 22:41:55
After hearing LVG on on sly it would seem we are most certainly in for another attacker. He acknowledges that he doesn't have that specialist player at the moment for the 433.