Manchester United Banter Archive June 29 2013

 

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29 Jun 2013 22:22:04
If we step back and think about things logically.
We know Thiago wants more playing time and we know he has the buy out clause.
If Barcelona had managed to persuade him to stay then we know they would announce it. Why wouldn't they?
We have a new manager starting on Monday and the player has gone away on holiday.
The result has to be that the announcement is waiting until DM is in place and it is his choice.
There is no other explenations as we know Barcelona would love to be able to say he is staying. I checked their web site and it full of pleads for him to stay. So why can't they confirm - because he is coming to O T and he will be our future captain I a sure.

Colin

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That opinion makes more sense then most I've read on this situation.

I too agree that Barcelona would have long announced that Thiago was staying if that was the case, afterall it would help lure other players, PR, etc.

I think United are simply playing by the "rules" and no announcing anything until you technically sign. I believe this is the week when all of our announcements will be done with the exception of a major one, if there is one as those take time.

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30 Jun 2013 08:43:14
hes stayin put mate was all about getting pay rise than playing time, money talks now days that's how life is

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30 Jun 2013 09:05:26
instead of going 4 baines why dnt v go 4 coentrao. and why spend 60 million on bale when u can get reus for 35 million.

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2 no names, what a waste of both your lives typing them two posts. The first no name, the OP explains why you can't possibly know that for sure and are just saying it because you are eternally negative or a fan of another club. And no name 2, nobody even mentioned anything to do with that.

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Thus go isn't after money tho, he lives playing for his country and wants a move somewhere he can get playing time to prove he should be at rio for the World Cup

19JackC94

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29 Jun 2013 20:17:36
been a regular to this website for the past 2 years, but hardlly leave any posts.

I hope the eds return soon and get the banter back to normalcy. The website lacks the soul without ed's.

I wanted to share this video wgich I came across in youtube. A brilliant video. Check it out in your free-time.

Cristiano Ronaldo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOuRLX8y3h8

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE

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Bring him home

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29 Jun 2013 20:05:35
I would like to see strootman and thiago announced in the next week. Give them chance to bed in. Also hope we don't get baines. Too much money for an older player.


Piper

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We paid 24 million for van Persie who was 28, in some cases age doesn't matter mate it's all about the quality!

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Sorry but he would still improve us as a team and Mr Moyes needs to hit the ground running and cannot afford a bad start

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I think baines would improve our first 11 no end.

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Baines ins the best left back in the league and god knows we paid a lot more than that on quite a few flops in recent years, so can't figure why people would be against a guaranteed investment.

Shahram

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29 Jun 2013 19:56:22
Still not sure why there's so much negativity? We walked the league at a canter whilst are scouse friends had their worse position ever in the EPL. Big Brendan might finally get found out soon as the David Brent of English football. Suarez soon to be person Abroad!
It's a squad game - and looking at positions I still think we have the best squad - although our best first 11 can get beaten by the top few teams on a one off game. You have to have some water carriers Park/O'Shea etc as well as some young guns coming through to push the seniors. I had to laugh when after 26 yrs and the great man retires our nearest competitors all changed managers and hence will break up their squads or fill with more egos to sit on the bench dictating that their managers pick them.
Barnes will be great, Zaha looks promising couple more signings and a couple good young ones - bring it on!

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Are you taking the Michael, water carriers like Park/O Shea are both no longer at the club, Barnes? surely that's Baines, & we haven't even signed him yet. You mong. MIDDLETON RED

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30 Jun 2013 07:12:00
No, I think he means john barnes. he will be a great player for us one day. just as long as park and oshea don't take up his spot on the bench. But we will have to address roy keane leaving the club too, there's a young kid called lampard at west ham who looks good. where is my medicine?

DanB

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Middleton, he was fairly obviously using Park and O'Shea as an example of that type of player, and he spelt a name wrong - hardly a hanging offence, never mind being called an offensive name.

Any wonder sometimes people read this site, but don't post.

Eds, I'm definitely not Mr PC, but if id1iot is filtered out, surely a word that has it's roots as a derogatory term for people with Downs Syndrome, has to go too?

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Bit harsh Middleton, and plenty offensive. Unnecessary

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29 Jun 2013 18:55:43
Here's to all the eds/fans

Who would u rather be in uniteds number 10 role?
Fully fit, problem free rooney?
Or Kagawa?

Big Mac {Ed007's Note - Rooney for me.}

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A fully fit and problem free Wayne Rooney is one of the best in the world, so of course he'd be ahead of kagawa

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Kagawa 100%, we have Rooney 2013, not Rooney 2009, he isn't the same player anymore and I doubt he will be again unfortunately.

Brendan81

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Kagawa

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Rooney all day long

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A fully fit and problem free Rooney is world class and is one of the best number 10s about. What we currently have though is an overweight Rooney with the wrong attitude.

If Rooney can sort himself out I'd put him ahead of Kagawa. Shinji needs a decent run in a central position though.

Matt

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Although I don't believe we have seen the best of Kagawa yet let's be honest a top form Rooney would walk into any team on the planet that's why its so frustrating.

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30 Jun 2013 14:38:27
Rooney 100% for me
Jred

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29 Jun 2013 17:25:29
Ucan kondogbia and Burma linked past week
Good player potential rather than finished articles
Any concrete interest in these players cjwales82

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Buy a country doesn't make sense me thinks

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Good gag DJ I mean bruma

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The sporting lisbon guy?

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29 Jun 2013 17:50:58
Our track record in these drawn out transfer sagas isn't the best. I have got a bad feeling that this one will end up with the player staying at Barca. For some reason or another we just haven't been able to secure the player we really covet, excluding RVP. I'm hoping for the best.

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Who's to say its being drawn out? The deal may already be done. But with moyes not officially the manager yet I'd imagine things would be kept quiet.

GD

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29 Jun 2013 14:35:50
i really think thiago is going to stay at barca, I was concerned last week when it came out the fans were calling for the presidents resignation if they lost him, which made it obvious he would do whatever he could to keep him including leaning on the manager to give him assurances over game time, would be really gutting to get so close to a player with such massive potential to be world class in the middle of our midfield, I just hope that if he does turn us down then we have a plan b.

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Mick

It is just an opinion but I doubt United would allow a clause regarding game time to be written in to his contract as we would in effect be held to ransom and we may have to consider selecting him for games on a financial basis rather than on performance, which doesn't seem to be our way. If he receives guarantees of game time at Barca he may well stay as he is the obvious Xavi replacement

That takes me to a potential plan B. If Thiago stays it puts pressure on Barca to make room and it is only my opinion that it puts pressure on them to sell and Fabregas would be the most obvious

We don't know that that was not our objective in the first place

Red Man

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He already had the guaranteed game time and Barca didn't stick to it so imo staying there isn't an option for him as he wants to get into the world cup squad next year

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Both good points, I hope your both right and i'm wrong, thiago or fabregas would be brilliant signings for us to say the least, either way i'm pretty sure we will know this time by next week

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Not being funny but if Thiago Alcantara cannot get at least 90% of games ahead of Anderson, Young etc then we should not sign him. MIDDLETON RED

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He won't stay at Barca, he will move, make a reputation and yearn for a return once he has established himself and by then Barca will be crying out for a midfielder.

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I do too. I never expected him to leave barca and said so two weeks ago. Looks similar to last summer's rumours. But there is time and hope so let's see what happens.
Nomidfield

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I have no tips or sources but would have to say I'm 100% certain he will be a united player soon and will be on our Pre season

19JackC94

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29 Jun 2013 13:32:11
Nothing new and not surprising but Evra is considering going back 2 Monaco. Do we really need to stretch our budget for Baines? I think our midfield needs more attention than our LB position when we have Fabio and Buttner.

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I agree and have been shouting this for ages, give fabio and buttner the chance and opportunity to impress and I'm sure they will grow and not let us down, if I'm wrong I'm sure we could do a patch job there until January then purchase a new lb

19JackC94

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29 Jun 2013 11:55:24
Why don't we ignore the trolls like Marcellus? Every team has them, he doesn't understand banter and is just trying to get a response. He ignores anyone who replies constructively and just causes more trouble. Not sure ot adds anything to our site. Happy to debate and banter with any club's fans but as Dilbert once said, 'never argue with an 1d1ot, they drag you down to your level and beat you with experience'

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29 Jun 2013 14:48:46
You mean like I do? Lol. I scroll down to see who a post is by and if its some plonker like Marcus or what ever his name is I just skip it.

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29 Jun 2013 15:47:04
There was me thinking I made a point that Utd would be struggling and you guys disagree so I'm a doughbake for sticking to my opinion but you guys know best.

Then get all uppity and start the name calling like kids but I'm the one who can't have banter.

How does that work then AJH. Do I just have to brown nose you guys and say what a great team you were last season, played us of the park and but for Nani you would have won the UCL. Something like that is it.

I'm not the one getting bent out of shape, much as CTR would like in his head to believe it.

Marcellus Wallace

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You'll notice that certain posters don't bother replying to his posts. He's nothing but a wannabe who thinks that an Internet forum can bring him some form of notoriety or infamy, even. Then again we have a few of those who are United fans and posters on these pages. Leave them all too it. A bit of banter is fun but there's no fun in arguing with someone who doesn't even buy into their own point of view and are just there for the wind up.

TK-Red

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We all know what happened to marcellus wallace - "git some!"

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29 Jun 2013 11:28:23
Not exactly united related but what's the hype with the scousers about coutinho? Is he really that good they talk a out him like he's the next messi, how does he compare to kagawa?
Thanks:-)

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Kagawa was a class above Coutinho when they were both at their old clubs and I expect Kagawa to be a better player than him this season.

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I know he is no messi but I must admit it pained me to see him end up at Liverpool all be it him just using them as a stage or a stepping stone as you will. He's a player I mentioned a while back whom I'd have liked in a united shirt

19JackC94

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Coutinho is a quality player. It's hard to say which of him and Kagawa will turn out better - but Coutinho had a better impact for Liverpool last year than Kagawa for us!

redseven

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He's a good player, but nobody I know has compared him to Messi.

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They're slightly different types of players but, I have to say, Coutinho has impressed me immensely, as much for how he has adapted physically than the skill we already knew he had.

TK-Red

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Coutinho is a good player of course but would he have done better in Utds team? let's face it liverpool had a poor team last season and can only play about 6 matches a year

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29 Jun 2013 11:25:11
Anyone think that at some point this season we could line up in a bar a style 433 with the one strong midfielder been strootman or carrick then the two creative ones I front been thiago and kagawa then the main striker with 2 wingers either side

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29 Jun 2013 14:50:49
It wouldn't suprise me, but Kagawa would have to play the furthest forward of the midfield three as he does struggle when played deeper.

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That's the one i'm hoping for, but expect Moyes to stay with a rigid 4-4-2 in honesty.

Red Joe

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29 Jun 2013 12:48:00
there seems to be an awful lot of transfer activity early on this year, a lot of money spent already I would hope and expect as soon as DM officially takes the reigns it will all go a bit hectic and mental as far as transfers go can't wait personally :)

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29 Jun 2013 12:16:41
This was an extract from Nani's latest Status on a Social site.
"Hello to all participants of the Guadiana Cup Tournament, for professional reasons I was unable to be present"

Professional reasons? hmm interesting
Anyone got any info as to what these reasons were?

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He's sh1t. That's his professional reason

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29 Jun 2013 10:57:23
How much does everyone think Bale is worth?

In my opinion Bale is a very good player has great pace, is strong on the ball and has a wicked shot but calling him world class and in the same realm as Messi or Ronaldo is rubbish. His reputation had been ramped up by the usually over exaggerated British press. He will continue to be a very good player and will have a successful career but he will not ever be worth more than 40M for me. If he played for the likes of Valencia, Fiorentina or Leverkusen he certainly wouldn't command a higher fee than that. So I for one am quite happy if Real Madrid want to go and overspend on him and leave us to boost our midfield with much better value players

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Agreed, he is good but his reputation exceeds him. Maybe one day when he is in his late 20s he can be put in that bracket maybe not but he is only worth i'd say 40-50 million max.

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£40 million in my opinion as you say.

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I agree he's overpriced but I disagree that he isn't world class, or at least on his way there. He's a real top player and has developed his game a lot IMO, he's better on the ball now and has worked on his shooting/freekicks. Add that to his pace, power and wicked delivery and I think he can be one of the best.

Not worth £60m+ obviously but then I guess you're worth whatever a club pays for you at the end of they day.

I think it's pointless comparing anyone to Messi and Ronaldo as they are freaks. Can't we just agree that they are better than everyone else?

I don't see any reason why Bale can't go on to be one of the next best, on a par with the likes of Iniesta, Schweinsteiger etc. (but for different reasons) and that's plenty good enough.

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£50 mil. Not as good as Ronny or Messi but for his age, current ability and pottential 50 is about right.

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29 Jun 2013 15:00:19
How much he is worth and how much we'd have to pay for him are two very different figures. I would say that in todays market he is worth around 40m maybe as high as 45m. But then I feel that todays market is a refection on societys crazy vue on money. In real terms a player is only worth equal to what he brings you. For example if you signed Bale on a 5 year deal for 40m then with wages he'd cost you between 10-12m a season. He won't bring that amount extra into the club through prize money and merchandise. So he isn't worth that. In real terms if we were to sign him he'd bring about 2/3m a year into the club. So over a 5 year contract he'd bring in maybe 15m so his fee and wages shouldn't be more than that. This is why so many clubs get into serious financial strife.

And to make matters worst in todays market he is worth maybe 40m, but Spurs won't sell for less than 50m minimum. Probably closer to 60m.

Which is why the authorities need to crack down on the situation.

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As it stands at the moment I would say between £30/£40 mil he was wonderful last year but I think he needs to go to a club challenging on all fronts to take him to the next level of his career if he does that at top level I think then and only then can he be considered one of the worlds best and command the ludicrous fees that are being bandied about. I personally thought he stood out in spurs side last year because everything apart from him was distinctly average tbh

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Bale is worth what Tottenham value him at regardless what we think he is worth. Levy knows how to extract the maximum value so he will want near to the record to sell this summer in my opinion.

Red Man

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29 Jun 2013 10:49:32
Can you see Thiago staying now as Rafinha Alcantara has signed a new contract at Barca and the family would prefer to stay together rather than relocate all over?

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No not really wouldn't have thought it would have any bearing on it. His complaint was lack of game time, I don't see how his brother affects that. And his brother is still most likely to be on loan.

Personally i'm hoping daddy has got a similar clause in Rafinho's contract.

As for Thiago, he's 22 not that young anymore, players have moved abroad at younger ages, look at Fabregas and Pique for example.

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29 Jun 2013 09:09:53
Does anyone know what time moyes's press conference start on monday? Thanks
RED DEVILS

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Has a press conference even been confirmed yet?

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It's in the 5th

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I heard its on the 3rd

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29 Jun 2013 10:57:21
I'd heard a rumour that it will be on friday. let's him spend the first few days on meeting the staff, settling in, meeting the players when they return on wednesday, talk with certain ones about their futures and get on with transfers. Then meet the press. After all its the least important thing he has to do in his first week. I'd rather him get settled and discuss transfers in and out rather than answer stupid questions off journo's.

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29 Jun 2013 08:46:54
Let me start by misquoting Mark Twain "I'm sorry this letter is so long, I did not have time to write a short one"
In early March I was gargling a few cheeky pints of Guinness with my brother and extolling the ball control of one Thiago Alcantara. A friend of my brothers said "your a Man u fan right?" me "yup" Thay are in for him, I said I knew we had been a couple of seasons ago. He assured me he meant this closed season. Anyway its pub talk (even though I knew he was an ex-footballer) so I forget about it.
Fast forward to the end of March and I read Thiago's dad. saying his son needs to leave, to get regular football. My tiny brain starts ticking and I'm excited it may be true he is coming but still nobody really linking him in the press. I ask on here but nobody knows apparently. Then the rumours do start and during/after his display in the U21's (which could hardly have been better) they reach a crescendo.
Roll forward again to early June and I hear, second hand from the same source, Thiago wants guaranteed first team football, and I post that here too. Seems this is confirmed by a few sources this morning.
Now this is where it gets confusing, please remember this is me asking me Bro questions he maybe ain't asked his mate yet. Apparently the personal terms and the guarantee of playing time are in place. The guy expects the deal will be announced either next week, when DM takes over, or when Thiago returns from holiday BUT there is something about the contract (really hope the eds can help me here). Either the release clause does not come in effect until August the 1st. OR the release clause expires at the end of July and while these 2 scenarios are diametrically opposites this is Chinese rumours with bells on.

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29 Jun 2013 08:27:16
Thiargo will be staying at Barcelona and will be loned out to Schalke 04 Next season

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Im glad its thiargo and not thiago whose going on loan to schalke:)

phil

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I'm sure I read his release clause expired at the end of July. So we could be waiting another month before anything is confirmed!

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29 Jun 2013 07:46:01
At least two of today's papers are reporting that Rooney still wants to leave and will tell David Moyes when they meet this week.
Ronaldo has been offered £12m pa net by Real but is reported to be holding out for £17m. Again that is net wages! Staggering.

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29 Jun 2013 10:51:36
And yet people seem to think he'll come back here. God knows what he'd ask for in wages.

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I wonder what it would be worth to Nike to have Ronaldo in a Nike kit? I wonder if he was to be made Nike's global football ambassador with a commensurate salary as long as he played at a Nike team whether Nike would make a lucrative deal directly with him on that basis. Nike cannot be happy their prize asset plays in a rivals kit.

Red Man

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29 Jun 2013 07:04:39
With all the supposed signings coming our way, there must be a few players going out. With talk of Nani and Evra going who do we think will more than likely make way. Any input from Edds greatly appreciated (also all work that the Edds put in is greatly appreciated)

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Scholes has retired and I honestly can see Fletcher following.

Out well Nani is a definite given the contract stand off.

Evra seems to be a candidate as well given the bid for Baines, it does suggest we're after a replacement.

Anderson is a strong possibility but I just don't know. There is a player in there somewhere and Moyes being a fitness fanatic could at least get him fit and work on his stamina. Also signing some actual central midfielders could see him used in his proper position. But if he worth a last chance?

Rooney? Who knows see what I said for Anderson.


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29 Jun 2013 05:51:34
EDs and others does anybody know when the players are expected to report for Pre-Season practice?

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Wednesday this coming week.

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29 Jun 2013 05:03:17
Latest ON THIAGO from Graham Hunter

#Thiago - so many asking about him that it
might be interesting to share a small detail
about why things have slowed down.

#Thiago's dad and his agent would like any
contract at # United to include the same clause
as he is currently using at # Barca,
i. e if he isn't given an agreed number of
mintues/starts then there would be a fixed
price in his contract via which another club
could buy.
#Thiago's family know the Dos
Santos family well and they watched how Gio
Dos Santos languished at Spurs without being
given enuff game time. Precisely what kind of
tax is due when a foreign club uses a buy-out
clause in the contract of a La Liga player, &
how that tax is incurred
#Thiago. remains to be analysed and
sorted out. Whether moving to Bayern or other clubs tempts him, I don't know and he's on holiday now"

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29 Jun 2013 04:34:51
I'm starting to agree with those who say we should cash in on Vidic. After all, he is very injury prone.

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I really hope you're being facetious, mate.

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AJH,

You know sarcasm doesn't work on this page, but I got this one and you knew I would reply!

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Stevie, or course and GDS, I couldn't help myself having seen your post yesterday - HE'S NOT INJURY PRONE! Lol

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If anything Rio is injury prone.

Vidic had a horror injury which would have finished lesser players off.

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He'd stick his head in a blender if it meant we won a throw-in!

Ste.

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29 Jun 2013 04:32:37
Man united will eventually make significant moves in this transfer window
Ins
Baines £14.5m
Thiago £15m
Strootman£12m
Garay £16.5m

Outs
Evra £6. 25m
Anderson £5m
Powell loan

Nani will stay as will Rooney.
Ronaldo will join next year for a reduced fee as he will be entering the final year of his RM deal - £45m

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I can't see Nani being in Moyes plans and one of Valencia or Young will go as will Bebe Macheda and Fabio
ARB

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29 Jun 2013 03:38:21
This is probably not realistic but Imagine on Monday when Moyes has his press conference and the media ask him loads of questions on how he plans to emulate/pick up/follow up SAF and he just looks at the camera and says Thiago and Strootman have joined Manchester united and there's more to follow and the just gets up and walks out like a boss!

Special K

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Have I missed something? Is there a press conference on Monday?

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My bad got carried away. *His first press conference not Monday. Monday is when the transfer window opens.

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That would be amazing to qui ten the doubters and just wander out but unfortunately I'd imagine he'd have to stay longer to answer questions about Rooney

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29 Jun 2013 01:33:16
Has anyone consider Rooney + cash for Bale? Everyone wins in this deal.

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Rooney doesn't, he has to play for spurs!

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29 Jun 2013 01:18:07
With the way things look. , Rooney, and Evra are already on their way out, with only Evra to be replaced by Baines, meanwhile Kagawa will solely replace Rooney and Chicharito to get his chance more than the past seasons.

Then maybe later Anderson and Nani will follow suite Strootman or Fellaini replacing Anderson and Thiago replacing Scholes and then round it up the Garay signing and we are done

INS
Strootman/Fellaini - £22m
Baines - £14m
Thiago - £18
Garay - £18
TOTAL == £72m

OUTS
Rooney -£25m
Nani -£15m
Evra -£10m
Anderson -£12m
TOTAL === £62m


TOTAL EXPENDITURE - £72m-£62m
=£10m

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Stootman is worth £10-12 not £22m

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Lol 12 mil for Anderson?

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Also Nani in last year contract and rubbish form for the past 2 seasons for £15m you having a laugh!
The club has listed him at £8.5m

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But out on the figures I would think.

Strootman £12-14m
Nani £10-12m
Evra £6m
Anderson £8-10m

I would think this may be a bit closer.

Brendan82

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Utd want 8.5m for Nani not 15m

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29 Jun 2013 01:05:04
Just read that Shalke say if a right offer came in for Draxler they would sell especially from a big club. I think he has bags of talent and can play on the left wing and would be worth the punt.

Shahram

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29 Jun 2013 01:05:12
Is it true Ed002 is female, I'm not sure but I could have swore I saw ed7 refer to Ed2 as a she. Also I was curious is there an ed1 as I only seem to see Ed002 ed04 and ed07 with an occasionally bio made by ed30

{Ed033's Note - I would imagine Ed002 is either male or female but there are over 20 active eds including Ed001 covering all of our 60+ web sites. Those 60+ sites are listed as links close to the top of this page

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28 Jun 2013 04:02:16
hey fellas. I am a big fan of this site but have not posted regularly. I have a question I was hoping u guys could help me with.
Does Moyes tend to play players out of position as SAF did. I attribute the stunted growth of Anderson to this and think this has impacted Rooney to a large extent and Jones, Smalling and Kagawa to lesser extents. But the fact remains that they are not able to play in the position they play best in. So with Thiago coming in, I was wondering if Moyes will try and make room for him while making others play in positions they are not comfortable in.

Trident!

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I think that SAF needed to play Rooney in midfield owing to the dire state of our midfielders through injury and choice
Anderson is just plain unfit

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Trident

Welcome! I guess it depends o how many players we sign and who they are. There is a danger of we sign more than normal that it will take type to work out the best formation. It wa frustrating to see SAF not clear about where he wanted to lay Kagawa, he must have had an idea when he bought him

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29 Jun 2013 07:45:06
You need to look at why Sir Alex has playex players out of position. With the exception of Anderson, most of the players who are played out of their natural position are only played their for awhile, and they tend to be young players who are still learning. There for you could argue that maybe the reason these young players are being played in other positions are to help round them off as players by improving weaker aspects of their game. Rooney for example. was played wide left to improve his passing and decision making. And Jones has been played in midfield to improve his positional awearness.

There have been occasions when someone like Giggs has been played out of position. but that has been a short term measure to cover for injuries in areas of the field where we don't have enough strength in depth.

Anderson is a different case as he was signed at a time when we wouldn't play a speacialist attacking midfielder but two box to box type players. Because of Andersons strength and willingness to track back Sir Alex felt he could be converted. I personally think this was done because of the lack of quality box to box players in world football at the time.

As for will Moyes do it? Occasionally i'd imagine but it would depend on his need to do it.

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