Manchester United Banter Archive October 29 2012

29 Oct 2012 21:46:08
Just wanna make a point about Nani

I know his days are numbered and he hasn't been playing well but to be fair to Nani, he started to decline at the back end of last season when he was first made aware we are willing to let him go and not offer him a suitable contract (in his eyes). Morale can affect form.

On the other hand you would expect the player to try earn the right to stay, up their game and put in the right performances. Sadly I don't see that in Nani.

There are much better options! Wouldn't mind seeing Rodriguez come in though, this kid looks top drawer from what i have seen of him.

RED_LAD

If United are changing formation to a more narrow diamond play we don't need to replace him.

When we revert back to wingers we have Valencia, Young, Brady?, Fabio?, Buttner even Welbeck does a job. Or we could try out Januzaj now & again. He played well against Aberdeen pre-season.

This lad will be special Jan-ooze-class

TJ

29 Oct 2012 18:57:55
Looking to Wednesday night and like Sir Alex said, I expect the majority of the squad to be changed and I expect this team....

-----------------Lindegaard---------------

Smalling---Wooton---Evans---Buttner

-------------------Scholes------------------

-----------Fletcher----Anderson----------

--Nani--------Chicharito--------Welbeck-

I expect Smalling to feature but not at centre half, give him 45- 60 minutes under his belt and get him fit ASAP.

Welbeck and Chicharito deservedly need game time in league football but it will be Wayne and RVP on Saturday so I expect these two to get a game on Wednesday. Nani needs game time aswell so that is my front 3.

Scholes was rested and I can't see him starting on Saturday, as I'm expecting Carrick and Cleverley again so with the energy of Fletcher and Carrick in their it should free up the space. I'm expecting both teams making changes but us more than them.

RedKnight

I'd like to see Powell to get a run out at some point

RedDub

Lindegaard
Smalling
Wootton
Carrick
Buttner
Fletcher
Anderson
Scholes/Powell
Nani
Hernandez
Welbeck

Sydney!

Nice team syd...

i would start

______________ Lindegaard

Velencia _ Smalling _ Wootton _ Buttner

______________ Fletcher

_________ Anderson _ Powell

______ Nani _ Hernandez _ Welbeck

Oxred

Lindegaard
Keane
Smalling
Wootton
Buttner
Fletcher
Anderson
Scholes
Nani
Hernandez
Welbeck

TK-Red

We could even go wid
ddg
fletcher(he can play rb) keane wootton buttner
scholes anderson petrucci
nani hernandez welbeck

29 Oct 2012 18:35:10
Wtf why are people criticising Rooney for be ing on the short list. He had a bad euros but that was due to injury and plus i sware he scored 30+ goals last season for united, which in my eyes it pretty amazing

James

Never mind that how the **** did Ballotelli get on the list!

Red Joe

Why isn't the entire liverpool team on there? They surely deserve a few players after their "amazing performances" this year!

19-20 MUFC

Suarez is waiting until the Oscars. His portrayal of a rodent suddenly smelling its own fart, seen everytime he blasts a shot into row Z, is breathtaking.

Danny Pughnited

Lmao Suarez keeps getting called this world class player well if world class is less than 15 goals a season and a few assists then why isnt Emile Heskey or Ricardo Fuller getting called world class it is beyond me imo world class is a title for a very limied number of players ala Messi, Ronaldo, Zidane, Xavi, Iniesta, Scholes, Maldini.... You get the gist.

29 Oct 2012 16:46:52
i don't know if anyone saw the real Madrid game last night. Varrane is some player I must say. At 22 he is not too far off being best CB in the world. Everything he does just seems so easy and nothing industrial about him, has pace, technic and just about everything you want. I would love to see us go get him.

Shahram

Don't worry GUGAS will say how wotton is a better player then him

red87

I think we tried to sign him at some point but he chose Madrid over us if I am correct.... I think he will be class but I would much prefer Papodopoulus from Schalke or Ogbonna from Torino. They are both built like crazy no nonsense and have pace.

Red87

You having a laugh? It's Precy who thinks our players are better than they really are.....

G.A.G.U.S

I know what a shame and he is getting starts at real now so very unlikely he would want to leave or they would sell him.

Shahram

He's not 22, he's 19, the same age as me. And I agree, I rate him as highly as the likes of Neymar, Gotze, Muniain, Veratti, etc. Incredibly talented player.

Percy

I do not rate them players on the same level of potential Neymar has more potential than any of them by leaps and bounds.... Imo Muniain will be a class player but not as good as James Rodriguez if he gets a move to a top club instead of rotting at Porto.... Gotze is a very good player already but I have a feeling he may end up like Hargreaves and have a torrid injury career but I hope not as it will ruin him like it did with Ganso.

29 Oct 2012 15:58:50
absolutely unbelievable, shocking, scandalous, i have never seen a worse decision in my life , yes what the heck is rooney doing with his hair, is he deliberately going for the premature baldness look to cover up his flase barnet or what.......
ps- someone should tell wayne when hes playing the flase - forward role , its not hide and seek , like he can touch the ball now and again , o well hes not the brighest, its not his fault lol.............lfc

£220,000 a week for playing football - I'd say he's much cleverer than you.

Actually after reading your 'banter' I'd say a stick would probably have a higher IQ than you.

Scouse sense of humour.. haha! Shall we laugh and make you feel a little better?I would like to see things from your point of view, but its hard to get my head that far up your arse mate!

And just curious, did that little fairy not fake injury when he dived in front of the Everton bench? I mean he is so used to clutching virtually anything to feign injury when he dives. Thought he will forget he was trying to wind someone up.

And by the way where in the table are you lot? I mean how many points above the relegation zone :).

Deeps...

Sorry eds if it go thru multiple times :(

29 Oct 2012 14:57:42
would love to see us sign baines strootman and benatia.

line up would be

de gea
rafael vidic benatia baines
jones
strootman cleverley
kagawa
rooney RVP {Ed004's Note - I don't see the fuss about Strootman and I think Smalling is better than Benetia. Also Jones isn't technically good enough for CDM}

Jones can play as a CDM with ease as we seen at Blackburn, what he cannot accomplish without difficulty is being a b2b midfielder, his positional awareness isn't great. As a sitting CDM he would be very good. However I only see him playing this way in a diamond, not a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. I agree that Smalling is first choice and would play ahead of Benatia. I wouldn't be surprised to see Smalling and Benatia pair up next season although would prefer Hummels.

Sydney!

Baines yes, Benatia yes, not so sure about strootman. our midfield needs better than Strootman and needs two major signings of 50 million spending.

Shahram

I would like Papodopoulus, Baines and Vidal. They would improve our team immensely.

I think jones could do quite well as one of the of the 2 in a 4 2 3 1
Jred

29 Oct 2012 19:31:26
Strootman has the right attributes to be top class.

Whistler.

Smalling & Jones at CB is the future. They will be a fantastic pairing for many years to come. They just need to stay injury free and learn alongside Vidic, Evans and Ferdinand.

Andrew B

29 Oct 2012 13:55:44
I was wondering what others thought on what formation we should use... It seems Ferguson hasn't made his mind yet on what formation he wants to use. Now I think the main two formations we are contemplating our 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-1-2. Now both have their drawbacks and benefits
With 4-2-3-1 you are not wide open on the wings like in the 4-3-1-2 however teams may find gaps in your midfield unless you have two world class midfielders which we do not have. It also means opposition full backs will not be as effective as they will have to worry about forward players. However in this formation you can play like Spurs with two direct wingers and an organised attack of like Chelsea with a fluid attack. Personally I think the best is the more fluid system which City implemented brilliantly last year and that Dortmund are using atm.
Now the 4-3-1-2 is brilliant, IF, the other team doesn't rely on it wide players. Gives you added numbers in midfield and a lot of men in attack to interchange and confuse opposition defence. Also benefits defenders such as Rafael who like to get forward..
Now my question is which does our team suit more and which should SAF use and target players that suit that formation
The Red Manc {Ed004's Note - I have said further down the pitch I prefer the 4-2-3-1 and believe we should target players who can play in that formation. So ideally I'd love to see Baines, Vidal and Ozil signed as I think an attack of Ozil, Rooney, Kagawa and RVP would be brilliant, supported by Cleverley and Vidal, maybe another CM should be bought, but this fast attacking play would suit Kagawa etc down to the ground and we may see a far better Kagawa. Also I think Kagawa could have a top relationship with Baines. Also if you are being over ran in midfield Kagawa and Ozil could all drop in to cover...}

I would love to see Ozil in the team...really would! Just one thing ed004, i pick up from your comment that you'd like Kagawa on the left of an attacking midfield 3, with Ozil on the right and Rooney down the center. Do you not think Kagawa is better suited in a central attacking mid role rather than on the left? When he's played just behind the striker for us he drifts across the line, popping up on the left, right and down the middle...i think the freedom to do this makes him quality and feel he might be a bit restricted playing on the left of an attacking midfield 3!

Andy! {Ed004's Note - That's the thing, I do not feel any of those players would be restricted to positions. Watch Ozil for Germany, he goes wherever he wants, same with Rooney for us and Kagawa did the same. They would start off in formation until the whistle blows to start the game then they move around wherever they find space}

Do you not think that having three players roaming across the same space could get a little disjointed?

Andy!

Not at all Andy just look at Chelsea... Hazard, Mata and Oscar are all best behind the striker yet they just fit into there team and just find space wherever they can get it.... Yesterday Young was class at that exact thing he found space on numerous occasions but Valencia is unable to move from the wing for us even though he plays central for Ecuador some times.

29 Oct 2012 12:28:36
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned already but I thought A.Young was out MOTM yesterday easily. Taking everything into account not to mention it was his first game back from injury, his defensive duties, flair, winning of game changing decisions, runs.
He gets a lot of slack but IMO outstanding performance yesterday against the league leaders, just he some consistency now Ashley, well played son.

PJ

Agreed. In the first half especially, he was a threat. He seemed to play in a much more advanced role, getting beyond the strikers and his direct running combined with RVP's movement caused the Chelsea defence all sorts of problems.

TK-Red

He would be better if he had a solid left back behind him and better midfielders around i.e a proper DM. Be interesting to see how Young Kagawa and Cleverly would link up.

Mad Hatter

He was good yesterday and he did have words with Ev. Ev seems to think he is the winger and Ash is the defender.

Sydney!

Although, Syd!, there is an argument to say that Evra is pretty useless at defending anyway so he may aswell try and do some damage at the right end of the pitch ;)

TK-Red

Evra is completely useless at attacking... He is so poor at taking players on and putting in a decent cross.... I would expect a United left back to get maybe 5+ assists and 3+ goals a season.....

Where is this all coming from, all the goals came from the other wing even the manger said so. Ashley Young was very average and only because of the second half.

MOTM must be kidding, RVP and Rafael only two player who stood out. Even Rooney was average and shown up in the middle of the pitch by Hazzard.

Shahram

Shahram its not all about goals and assists. Young caused Chelsea problems, pulling defenders out of position, making space for others and lets not forget it was his run that drew the tackle out of Ivanovic when he was sent off.

TK-Red

29 Oct 2012 11:07:57
Looking ahead now to the League Cup game, who do you think plays? I have a feeling that if we get through this, then we win the whole thing.


___________De Gea
Vermijl__Smalling__Evans__Buttner
_____Ando__Fletcher__Cleverly
___________Rooney
______Chicharito__RVP

I imagine that we are going to play strong up top, and play the diamond. Powell will make an appearence, Smalling should start. Chicharito will get a start, he has been excellent.

I think that will be stronger than any team that Chelsea put out. Especially with them not having Terry, Ivanovic or Torres.

Fresh!

With the Arsenal match a lunch time kick off i would expect wholesale changes on Wednesday. I would expect the team to look as follows :
Lindegard
Keane Smalling Wooton Buttner
Fletcher
Cleverley Anderson
Nanni Macheda Wellbeck

Raffa

We won't take it likely. Lindegaard is injured. Evans will play, vermijl is more likely than Keane. Macheda will definatly not start, Welbeck and Nani are in with a shot though.

Fresh!

Fresh.. although Linegaard was reported to be injured he was on the bench yesterday.

I think he may start..

Can not see mach starting. think it will be chico.... but the rest looks good Raffa...

Oxred

DDG
Keane Wootton Smalling Evra
Fletcher Anderson Scholes
Nani Hernandez Welbeck

Bench: 1)Linde 2)Buttner 3)Carrick 4)Rooney 5)Cleverley 6)Giggs 7)Valencia0

I think SAF will start with the same team as he did with Chelsea against Arsenal.

Roane

29 Oct 2012 11:01:31
Delighted that we got the win yesterday, we did deserve it - and I don't think Chelsea were hard done by. Its about time someone was sent off for simulation, maybe even Suarez will stop doing it now (a pipe dream).

I think that was our strongest line up, which is difficult because it ommits Kagawa (I know he is injured). The question is, how do we fit him in? And also, what parts of that starting XI yesterday should we be looking to improve?

Well, we aren't going to get an upgrade on RVP & Rooney. Young was also excellent as was Rafael. De Gea has excellent shot stopping skills and will be brilliant if he continues as he is doing. Even Evans I think is pretty good. The weak links though for me yesterday were Carrick, Cleverly, Ferdinand & Evra. Cleverly though is not normally a problem, he simply had a bad game - its not as though he needs repalcing. Evra needs replacing though, and Smalling should be starting over Ferdinand when fully fit - that should plug up the defence I hope. Apart from Evra though, Carrick is the big one for me. SAF has so much faith in him, but he just is simply not mobile enough to be starting.

If we were to go for two top quality players, the only transfers in the summer I would make would be Baines for Evra & then Vidal to take Carrick's spot. That would then be a world beating team as I don't think we'd be get over run very easily.

Fresh!

We deserved it! wot utter rubbish! as soon as chelsea got their act together they dominated utd! there was only one winner if 11 stay on that pitch but it didnt and utd won!

29 Oct 2012 10:53:55
I think Sterlings playing well at 17-18? for Liverpool. He's looking a tricky customer. BUT as always United will always have a response, the upper hand, the better call.

LIVERPOOL FANS IF YOUR READING THIS, AND I KNOW YOU DO & WILL....... REMEMBER THE NAME.................

ADNAN JANUZAJ aka Jan-ooze-class.

United fans do like their wingers like Best, Olsen, Wallace, Sharpe, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani, Tony.V.

With Nani wanting more money & possible talking his way out of the club I think it maybe time to show the world our very own Lionel Messi.

TJ

That's hilarious. Best bit of comedy in years.

29 Oct 2012 10:38:51
Juventus seem to be interested in Nani.
Could a swap be in the pipeline?

Nani is worth about 25m. On his last year of his contract we'd at least won't close to 15-18m.

Vidal is being priced at 20-25m. Could we strike a deal?

THE BIG SUMMER SWAP Nani plus 5m for Vidal

THE SUMMERS MUST BUY Hummells 25m

Thirdly i think this would be a good idea in jan. Wootton & King end their contracts in the summer.
I'm sure a team like Blackpool would want these kind of players. Wootton has played with Cathcart before & King can play left wing to replace 5m priced Thomas Ince so..........

THE JANUARY SALES King & Wootton plus 2.5m for Ince.

Okay I'm not sure we need Ince but he is a left winger to
cover Young & replace Giggs & Nani.

Not bad signings for 32.5m would you agree?

TJ

Would be the ideal summer/January! Except I would prefer someone a little bit better than Ince for LW, Maybe Muniain? Or Isco?

-JakeW

I'd love so have Vidal and Hummels, they would be quality buys! I'd like to make a sneaky bid for Ozil too, he is pure class...him linking up with Rooney and RVP would be incredible! If Ince is available at a reasonable price I think he should be pursued, he does look like he has something special! I'd definitely keep Wooton though, he'll be a solid CB given a year or so experience. What I'd like to see after next summer...

------------De Gea------------
Rafael-Smalling-Hummels-Buttner
-------------Vidal--------------
--------Ozil-------Cleverley----
------------Kagawa------------
-------Rooney------RVP--------

I think Nani, Rio and Anderson will go. And I wouldn't be surprised if some offers came in for Valencia and Hernandez. I'd be delighted with the above team...but realistically I think we'll see Strootman come in instead of Vidal. Ozil and Hummels are definitely possibilities though...they'd suit the team very well, both hard working, both quality players and both hungry to put in good performances week after week! Petrucci and Powell need more game time next season too!

Andy!

TJ no one will pay 25 million for Nani. Juventus would have to be dumb to exchange Vidal and 5 million for Nani.

Shahram

He is worth about 10m when is the last time he did anything in any game?

29 Oct 2012 10:20:03
This year i'm going to ask Father Christmas for a weekend where Scousers don't cry conspiracy or find something to moan about. I don't think he'll come up with the goods though.

29 Oct 2012 09:12:06
You fans are deluded, how can u compare kagawa to the likes of mata OSCAR and hazard. We outplayed you with ten men on the pitch and with 9 men we still showed class

TORRES IS KING

There was four minutes between each red card. We had the ball for most of that, a counter attack led to Torres' red....so don't chat out sh*te.

MPez

Because talent wise he's equally as good as them and probably better than Oscar. Pretty simple one to answer really. Next

Outplayed us? You were 2-0 down at home with 11 men on the pitch. And kagawa wasn't playing so your point actually makes no sense!

GDS

You were the home team and needing goals, of course you would be the team with the most possession and looking more likely to score. It's not rocket science. Then add that to the way we set up yesterday, to soak up pressure then break, we were meant to let you have the ball. Luckily for you we never went for the jugular at 3.2 and we were happy with the 3.2.

Sydney!

TORRES IS BANNED You mean?

-JakeW

At the end of the day you still lost.

19-20 MUFC

I'm a Chelsea fan and time to move on yes we did get the bad calls but on the bright side we looked way too good 4 Man United yesterday if we had a decent striker and stop playing Brana at fullback were gona be tough to stop this season as for you guys your midfield is do brittle and defence is slow and so vulnerable but to be fair RVP knows we're the ball goes and that's what counts at the end of the day and on lighter note Howard Webb is ref for you guys next week you guys excited already :p

No name, our defence is missing Vidic and Smalling. We could also do with a Jones in midfield too, something we did at Anfield last season. You were the home team, you were meant to be the dominating team yesterday, however we looked like scoring every time we attacked and it took a set piece for you to get back into the game. You will finish 3rd this season.

Sydney!

Hong Kong Fooey. Torres has lost the plot.

"You fans are deluded" and the poster's name is "Torres is King"...

Gar

Chelsea had more possession and shots before Ivan and Torres got sent off and the person who said kagawa is better than oscar is messed up in the head... Both are very good no doubt about that... but Oscar brings so much into the game and he is only 21 years old!

MKBLUE

So far this season oscar mata and hazard showed why they cost +20m and why kagawa cost 12m

29 Oct 2012 07:10:42
Man uniteds performance was qualuty for first 30 mins , and the rest from there well its just history now.

Van persie: world class

Rooney -Poor

Rafael , will become such a key player for us

Cleverly, neat play at times but lacked final ball, could of ran into space a few times aswell but decided to pass.

Defence, Shaky evra loses ball alot and rio puts team in danger.

Overall not to bad but would rather see someone else than carrick given a chance in hsi role

Big V

Rooney is not poor. He gives the team so much energy. You can see that when he is missing.

Kuala

29 Oct 2012 06:36:32
chelsea fan here! well played yesterday am not gonna bang on about the ref we all know the treatment u get! good luck for ret of the seasonkevinCFC

Haha 'we all know the treatment you get'. Go on explain that to us, what treatment do we get? Bearing in mind the decisions you have had at the bridge over the last 5 years. I'm all ears.

GDS

29 Oct 2012 05:33:12
People are saying that this ref was biased yet he was the same ref that sent off johnny evans in the 6-1 loss to city

Dont think he is biased towards City, United or Chelsea just that he like all humans can make errors. Just a shame that a very entertaining game is tainted by bad decisions.
I think depending on how the table looks when the rerun at O.T that game will be a peach of a game.

One of his biggest mistakes was no red card for torres assault on cleverly ----------phil

29 Oct 2012 03:20:26
IMO man utd wont go out for strootman, waynama , isco or hummels in the january window because all these players will be cup tied and wont be able to feature in the champions league group statge

29 Oct 2012 01:54:37
Do the chelsea player who had red cards in the bpl get to play in the capital one cup ed ? Man utd going back to the bridge is suicide.btw am a kenyan wanyama not worth a premier league top 5 side period better go 4 strootman. {Ed002's Note - They are banned from the next x following games (excluding European games).}