Manchester United Banter Archive September 29 2013

 

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29 Sep 2013 23:21:42
I find it interesting that four of the top six sides in the table kept their manager of last season. It really says something about manager stability equalling success.

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And yet you want us to change manager in November? Hmmmm

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If United are at the same spot in the table come November, Yes!

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You have the right name then fella. You can't make a statement of 'stability equalling success' and in the same breath, say that if United are mid table 4 and a bit months into a managers reign, he should be sacked. We aren't Chelsea, Sunderland etc, we are United and we will give Moyes a fair chance.

It was always going to get worse before better especially after the transfer window. We will make the top 4 and then Moyes will be allowed to build his own team next summer.

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30 Sep 2013 09:25:10
Out of last season's top four Arsenal are the only side not to have changed their manager and the only side showing any sign of consistency. Asfor Saturdays game it was no different from many games we have seen over the last few seasons. The only differece is that Fergie knew his squad intimately, he knew the players he could and couldn't trust in certain situations and most importantly he knew which players could affect a match in a positive way. David Moyse will need time to reach this situation and for results to improve on a consistent basis. Patience and continuity are key.
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Or maybe it has nothing to do with arsenal still having the same manager and more to do with players they have added to their squad, a Aaron ramsey who is finally back from a horrendous injury and the fact that the players they bought from the year before have settled in, Girroud and Carzola etc

City have a new manager but I bet they win the league and many peoples favorites on this board is chelsea and guess what they have a new manager too.

I mean come on guys, just because we have a new manager that does mean we should accept this level of drop in performance.

If you owned a business and hired a new manager, would you be so kind to accept going from a business that is making lot's of money to a business who suddenly looks like going bankrupt, which is what some of you guys are advocating in football terms.

Would you keep him and tell yourself he needs time and I will let him bury e before I make a change. Remember we were not in crisis and made a management change because SAF retired.

I backed the hiring and still hope he can turn it around but some of the stuff people saying we should accept is bs and he should be sacked if it happens.

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29 Sep 2013 23:16:03
As great a manager as SAF was, he had very little success in Europe. He won the European Cup twice, once against an English team on PKs, and once against Bayern Munich in a match where we were completely outplayed, and we miraculously scored twice in extra time.

The style and tenacity of the team under SAF may have continued to garner success in England, but for the last five years we have looked pretty inferior in Europe, being unable to retain possession or to demonstrate the individual or team skills to ever really look like winning the competition again.

While premier league teams have begun to adapt to the modern style, United's tactics have largely remained the same. It wouldn't be so bad but we haven't replaced the key players who could play that style successfully - Giggs and Scholes, never mind Ronaldo.

I was in 2 minds about Moyes when he was appointed because I would have preferred to have seen a manager who could bring a definitively modern style of play, being concerned that SAF's system would not work any more. What I had not bargained for was how incredibly uncomfortable and unassertive Moyes would seem in the position, notwithstanding the fortune he must have invested in new suits.

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I pretty much agree with everything you say. We really do need to change our style of play if we have any chance of success in the future, especially now that the motivator that was SAF has gone. Unfortunately I don't think moyes is the man to do it. He appears too defensive in his approach to the game and that just isn't the united way. He seems far too concerned about how other teams can hurt us rather than how we can hurt them. It doesn't bode well I have to say, but I could be proved wrong if he is given the time. I just don't think he will get it if things don't start improving.

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29 Sep 2013 22:54:30
hi guy's, how can moyes say the sqaud is not good enough.they have like 5 league titles I think moyes should look at his staff and his tactics instead of blameing the player's, i'm not saying they are top player's but it is because of moyes and his staff everything is going wrong, players like rooney persie kawaga vidic de gea rafael are struggling at the training ground because of they have notice that they are going backwards, u don't train utd player's like everton player's I think moyes is making us like everton, he has to stop before we struggle with getting in top 7-8, moyes is not the right guy 4 utd zee
btw our players are not happy with medicore training with medicore people.zee

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30 Sep 2013 09:00:57
Its a fact that some players should have been sold years ago.

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29 Sep 2013 22:36:36
"Well said Moon. What do you think of Ibai Gomes and where have you been?

God created United"

Hey Man,

I've been about, reading the site pretty much all the time as per usual but I just don't feel the need to post at the moment.

The club is in pieces in my view, way to much inexperience from Woodpecker all the way down to Phil Neville.

The management will learn in time, its just at what cost will it be.

Ibai Gomez - short and simple, the Spanish Frank Lampard.

Especially a young Lampard, very similar driving runs and movement, incredible shot, close up and from distance.

top player, I'd pay up to £20M for him.

Although, seeing as Moyes is proving to be a complete tool I don't think we'll ever see him at OT.

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Welcome back Moon. And well put. I think your assessment is spot on.
I said sometime ago, that biggest problem is Ferguson and going at the same time.
Then we got a manager who is unsuited and then he decides that he should dismantle all the backroom staff and stick his lot in.
And to cap it all, we've got more inexperience in Phil Neville and Ryan Giggs. Both great servants of our club but with no experience at all in coaching etc.
And to cap it all, we get Mr. Woodward.
I was hoping that we will learn from the past when sir Matt retired, but it seems we are getting into the same situation.
The owners bet get a grip quickly and show some leadership, otherwise all their fancy sponsorship deals will be stuffed up their backsides.there is only that much you can milk out of the club and I think they're going to get a nasty surprise when things don't go to plan on the football pitch, as this will have knock on effects on their deals.

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Thanks Moon. Going to watch Bilbao again tonight and see how he goes. Is it true his contract is up this summer and he has not renewed. I hope so and hope we have scouts at the game tonight.

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29 Sep 2013 22:30:23
Whats concerning me most is the fact that for the first time in many years there appears to be a split in the squad. it seems apparant to me that there are a bunch (rooney rio giggs young fellaini smalling jones) who have tried to get behind the changes and believe in moyes but there are others who appear not to have a clue what he wants and obviously feel indifferent towards his methods and don't believe in them. (rvp chich nani valencia evra vidic raf kagawa wellbeck cleverly januzai)

The comments made to the press saying we are not good enough is going to deflate the squad and expose this split,,, this really is a big next 6 games . the only thing that will unify the squad is wins and less loose talk from the manager

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29 Sep 2013 21:49:59
I am amazed how people over here are trying to calm down every worried fan. Guys we are Manchester United the biggest club in the world, we cannot accept this performance at all. The whole world is watching us and this type of performance is not acceptable. I must say I don't know whether DM is the right man for the job as this remains to be seen . But there is something wrong with the team . Nothing is going our way . Our style of play is dismal. The team lack that spark we had last season. Nothing is going right at the moment. There is no spirit . It seems we lost appetite for winning. On the tactical front, DM must man up and realize he is in Manchester United not at Everton. He should play the best squad all the time and forget about giving playing time for fringe players a la Anderson, The brand, or Young.

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"I am amazed how people over here are trying to calm down every worried fan."

So we should be hysteric, call for Moyes to be sacked, and cry about not getting good results in out first 6 games of the season? I think we do need to calm down, get behind the manager as Sir Alex instructed, and at least give Moyes some time before we get out the torches and pitchforks. Can't believe what some people on here are saying about our squad suddenly not being good enough and that we don't have a chance at winning the league anymore. It's only October. Talk about overreacting. If we had bounced back from the City defeat and beat West Brom people would be singing a different tune. And I honestly thought our play against West Brom was alright, we just lacked a cutting edge. And hey, at least Moyes is playing Janujaz, something I don't think Sir Alex would have done. Moyes knows this isn't Everton. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

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29 Sep 2013 21:31:30
Well just back from a weekend on the lash for my 40th, and I'm glad I was pi@&ed yesterday because it meant that I missed the match! Just watched the highlights and to fair we were abysmal again yesterday, though 10 minutes doesn't always give a true reflection of the whole match. Now I have said on here a few times that we need to give Moyes a fair chance, and time and I still stand by that. I'm not panicking just yet, but I am starting to think the anti Moyes brigade might be right. He is starting to look out of his depth, and some of his comments this last week have been strange to say the least.
However, just look at some of the goals we have conceded. Our defending has been shocking, and full of basic schoolboy errors. Last week City played very well, no question. But all 4 of their goals came from simple crosses, all finished by players who were completely unmarked, inside or one the edge of the 6 yard box. That is unforgivable at any standard, let alone the PL. Yesterday we defended like children, with 3 or 4 players chasing the man with the ball and leaving others unmarked in our half. Intact that's probably unfair on children, we were more like sheep.
Whether you love Moyes or hate him, there is no doubting his teams are always disciplined and organised. Until this season that is. But a manager cannot legislate for individual errors and lack of concentration by his players. Moyes must take a fair chunk of the blame, but it is not all his fault. The performances of some of our experienced players so far this season have been a disgrace, and they must take the blame for that. We have known for some time that Evra is finished, and Buttner will never make it at United. Right back is an issue when Rafael is not available, but more worrying is the form of Rio. He looks completely shot, and his future must surely now be in question. Perhaps a move to the US of A might be on the horizon?
We were never going to with the league this year, but top 4 is a must. We need major investment, and soon. But even if Moyes is given the funds needed in the summer, we won't attract the calibre of players we need if we don't qualify for the CL next season. We need the players to start fulfilling their responsibilities as United players, and start winning football matches again. We need results, and we need them soon. We also need to get behind the manager and the team, and do our bit to help them through this difficult time.

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29 Sep 2013 20:57:12
I've tried not to comment on the weekend and I am going to continue not directly commenting on it for as long as possible. We have been abysmal ever since the opening day of the season, and realistically we could see problems in pre season. My biggest thing is, what do we see happening with our transfer future? Moyes needs world class players, he has said this. But who? Can we attract them still and will we afford them?

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I think we can afford them but from the outside looking in people must think we are a sinking Ship. Hopefully its not the case and we somehow manage to attract the caliber of player needed to help the team. But let's not kid ourselves it is going to be tough to find such players and We will have to be patient but we are and always will be United!

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I think we can afford them, but if we don't qualify for CL next season we will struggle to attract them.

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And have most of the available world class players not moved already in the previous window. Fact is its very difficult to sign quality in January and to integrate them into the side takes time too.

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Keeping it real if we keep performing like that who would want play for us? Maybe mid table players but the best of the best will only come if the money is right. Take a few gambles on some potentially world class players. Yes we have a great history and are a great club but players aren't worried about that now it's all about the money. Well I can't say all because there are a few players that actually care about the club but they are few and far between. The Glazers need to show more than they have because we need an overhaul and anyone who says different needs to open both eyes when we play. The we won the league easy argument isn't accurate we over achieved last season. We don't know who screwed up the transfer window but we are in a bad spot right now with an ageing team. Moyes seems to be out of his depth and is struggling with lineups and tactics. I'm not calling for his head but if he turned down SAF transfer targets to make his own decisions maybe he doesn't have a clue. Hoping things get better and we see a team that gives a $hit soon

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Why would any world class player want to play for a manager who openly admits his team can't win the champions league. i'm sorry but any player with any ambition would do well to give this club a miss while we have this defeatist manager in charge.

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29 Sep 2013 20:04:19
We've been pretty shocking this season so far, except for a few spells in a couple of games, and no one will argue that fact. But, the overreaction on here is astounding. Did people expect the greatest manager of all time to be replaced without any problems? Seriously?

We have a very good 'squad' but even under the legend that was SAF this last few years, our 1st team was nowhere near good enough and last season we won the league due to his management skills and our rivals having poor seasons. Did you all expect Moyes to be able to do the same as SAF? Of course not, not for a good while at least. We needed a good transfer window and for whatever reason we had a shocker and it is now showing.

Moyes is getting used to new players, a new club and a whole new world when it comes to football compared to being at Everton. It will take time, he needs to decide who HE wants to keep, sell and buy. This season will be used to do that and next season will be when we can really judge him. This season is about him coping and learning both at home and abroad.

We won't win the league this year, and personally, I never thought we would. If Moyes can get any piece of silverware and a champions league place then this will be a good season in my eyes. The club then have to back him next summer, maybe even january and he needs to be ruthless in getting rid of the deadwood. Then we will see what he is about and if he is good enough, judging him now and calling for his head 3 months into a 6 year contract is unbelievably silly.

If I were him next summers clearout would be Ferdinand, Evra, Giggs, Anderson, Young, Nani, Macheda, Bebe and then it depends on Rooneys situation regarfing contracts etc.

Anyway, my views and feel free to leave yours.

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A brief glimpse of sanity! Thanks Brendan.

Evra, Young, Nani and Anderson were problems that weren't addressed by the last manager even though he had time to do so, same with the central midfield problem. SAF papered over these cracks with his unbelievable drive and his ability to find the right team for most games, but he didn't resolve them. We haven't had many quality signings in the past 5 years that have "worked" and it's showing now. Moyes' problems are compounded by what appears to be Ferdinand's legs having gone, and Carrick rediscovering his form of 11/12 rather than 12/13 - and given they were 2 of our better performers last season (and that a third, Rafael, is struggling for fitness) it shouldn't be a shock we've hit the ropes. Fergie would have done better - no doubt - 4 to 6 points better. Others might have done a little better. Might.

The transfer window in the summer was a shambles. It'd be nice to know how much of that was down to Moyes, how much to the Equaliser and how much to the owners, but we didn't help ourselves by chasing unrealistic targets. I think that had a real adverse affect on the team psychologically. Everybody knew it was going to be tough. We got handed a tough start. If we'd bought in 2 or 3 high quality players, it might have lifted everyone else. Instead we scrambled around like amateurs, and it just compounded the negativity.

I do think Moyes' public utterings on the Champions League are an attempt to loosen purse-strings for January, which is worrying as it should be clear we need to spend then.

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I'm in two minds about all of this at the moment.

On one had I think if he doesn't win his next 2 games he'll be gone.

the squad is poor, Fellaini is an average signing at best.

Seeing Giggs, Rio, Young, Buttner and Anderson getting pretty much full games is disgraceful especially when Kagawa gets 45 minutes in which he done nothing wrong (compared to the others who get 90 minutes of poor passing, poor positioning, etc.)

the back room staff I'm not overly bothered about, a coaching team has around 10 coaches, we've changed 4 of them.

On the other hand, it is a new job, in which he'll take time to settle and get to know his playing staff, results will fall at the beginning, but whether they'll pick up again is the worrying thing.

I think I'm leaning towards thinking about it like this;

I don't care that he's had to replace SAF, I don't care that SAF is the best manager ever.

the fact of the matter is we're one of if not the biggest club on the planet and we're struggling to win games and play convincingly.

To me, that is not on. Failing to get results will lose you your job in any occupation, so why shouldn't the same happen to Moyes?

Like I said, If he doesn't win his next 2 league games comfortably with good performances he will be shown the door.

I think its clear that Moyes was a back up option to be manager (and a bad option at that).

Thats the thing with SAF, his primary targets are top draw, his back ups, not so much.

Guardiola was evidently first choice but chose Bayern.

On a seperate note, I think the fact that Guardiola was first choice will be the big secret in his upcoming book.

Not the Rooney thing like most believe.

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Not winning the league in a year of change is one thing but finishing outside the top 4 has financial implications that are disastrous mate.

Do you see all the other teams with new managers complaining about the squad, the schedule and on top playing like we are some newly promoted side to the pl.

He is not helping himself by his statements to the press and the players must be wondering what is going on as we have never been a club to have our laundry in the public domain.

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Well said Moon. What do you think of Ibai Gomes and where have you been?

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No but they expect the person who comes in to have some kind of experience of winning things in his league and in Europe.

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The Moon are you serious? 2 wins or he will be sacked? Never ever ever going to happen. Managing Man United isn't just any occupation especially when the retiring manager has been so hugely successful but leaves a first 11 needing some serious reinforcements. Add to that the fact that Gill left too and we were left with Woodward, hasn't helped Moyes.

We won't finish outside the top 4 Shahram. We will improve and I expect 3rd place possibly.

KLOOT who would you have gone for then fella? Pep wasn't interested, Mourinho no thanks, Ancelloti wanted Real, none of which hang around more than a few seasons really. Klopp possibly but would he want to leave Dortmund now? Who knows. We need a long term manager not a couple of seasons guy.

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29 Sep 2013 23:16:17
The last international break of 2013 is November 15-19th, if United are in same league position as now ; a change of manager should happen. My question is what former United coach/ex-player would be available to take over (ie Rene, Carlos, Ole, Steve M)?

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If United lose their next 2 games we'll be in the bottom 3 most likely.

We all know the Glazers are with United for the money, now if we don't get in the UCL this year there will be no money for the glazers to take from us, our share prices will drop MASSIVELY, our sponsors will look elsewhere.

everything rides on where we finish in the league, if we lose our next 2 games Moyes will be out, SAF will be called back for the remainder of the season and its anyones guess from next summer.

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I think you are waaaaay off Moon, yes not getting into the CL would be a huge disappointment but not the end of the world. The sponsors are tied into contracts so by the time most come to an end we would be back in the CL again, so it wouldn't affect that. I'm sure the Glazers were expecting a bumpy ride when SAF finally retired, they have already made plenty of money for them to be ok with it. How much would they have to pay Moyes if they sacked him? A 6 year contract isn't cheap and you seriously think SAF would come back straight away especially seeing as Moyes was his choice? He'd rather give him huge amounts of help behind the scenes first I would have thought.

Anyway, I predict 3rd spot this year for us. City top, Chelsea 2nd, us 3rd, Arsenal/Spurs 4th, Liverpool 6th.

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Brendan

You are talking complete nonsense and your idea of change and transition is never acceptable at any level given where we are coming from.

If you think people at United's Board and owners are going to feel sorry for DM who gets paid 6 mill and we go from champions of England knocked out of CL group and out of top 4, you are grossly mistaken. This is after having also spent 45 million on new players as well.

At this level you have to win, reading Steele's comments today it sounds like he decided to sack all the key coaches and by the looks of it he had his own ideas on the transfer market. As they say you made your bed now you lay in it.

Last but not least read the annual report and forward guidance that was releases for next year. based on a 3rd place finish in the league and CL qualifications from our group.

If we don't deliver the stock will get discounted and I don't think the owners will be too happy.

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Shahram you can't talk of replacing SAF at a club as huge as United as the same as any other level. Because Moyes hasn't hit the ground running then should he be sacked? What if the next manager loses 3 out of his first 6 games, do we sack him and the next and the next? Stupidity.

SAF left a first 11 in huge need of reinforcements and got by due to his brilliant management skills. Do you expect Moyes to be able to do the same? If so, you are either greatly under valuing SAF ability or expecting far far too much of Moyes. He needs time, backing and a bit of patience. Unfortunately there are stupid, glory seeking fans that don't accept that and seem to want us to be like Chelsea. I for one am happy to give him time, we WILL make top 4 I have absolutely no doubt.

Look at the games played so far by the supposed top 6 sides and ours have been the hardest by far. I expect us to improve over the next 6 games and by christmas we will be in the top 4.

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29 Sep 2013 19:51:48
In all the years I have watched us play, I have never heard us boo a performance no matter how we played and I was disgusted to hear the amount of jeers I did following the final whistle. You should never boo your team, it won't help the team if anything they will play worse!

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Agreed fredo! Can safely say I never have or will boo the shirts. The atmosphere was flat yesterday after Wednesday but the team need the fans more than ever! Regardless of whether we think moyes is the right man or how the players under perform its time for the fans to stand up and get behind the shirts.

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The fans need to get behind the team more now than any time before if we will get out of this!

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29 Sep 2013 17:56:52
Moyes is playing 4-4-2 because that's how he wants to play I don't believe it's down to the players he has.
We played that way when Rooney was injured.
We played that way when rvp was injured
We played that way when they were both fit.
It's similar to how Everton played so shouldn't be any real surprise

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29 Sep 2013 17:52:21
I keep reading about moyes complaining that we don't have enough quality to win CL and we need WC sigings and he gets slagged for it - but nobody is yet to mention how this affects the current players.

If I'm one of his players are read these comments, I would feel like he has no loyalty or confidence in me and my teammates - and would likely lose enthusiasm to play for him.

Unless his comments were taken out of context, I really question some of the drivel that comes out of his mouth

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29 Sep 2013 17:43:34
If Fergie hadn't retired I think Rooney and Nani would have been sold, no secret he wasn't a fan of either. I think he could have got away with selling Rooney to Chelsea for a large sum but there was no way Moyes could afford to do that. I agree with an earlier post that Rooney and RVP playing together makes it hard for us to stray from our old 4-4-2. Is it me or does RVP not look happy. I don't think Moyes has a clue how to handle a large squad and his stupid comments after each match make him look clueless. Sorry, I couldn't organize my thoughts, like all supporters, I'm a little numb right now.

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"Is it me or does RVP not look happy"

He wants back to Arsenal. hahah

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29 Sep 2013 17:39:44
Nick

We get you are unhappy and don't rate Moyes and so on. You don't need to keep posting it very day, it's getting a tad repetitive.

Hs made some mistakes but let's give the bloke a chance. The team needs rebuilding, possibly 1 or 2, possibly more (I think more). I don't think SAF would have done much better this year. Like it or not, we at transition and bleating about it every 5 minutes isn't helping.

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AJH
Is the squad that much different from last year
Do you think the transfer window would of been quite as bad under fergy

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AJH - SAF would have done much better than this. I'm sick of hearing about people saying this squad is not good enough. They're more than capable of competing in every game. It's the tactics, training and man management of Moyes that is failing. He is the wrong choice. Anyone who thinks he will turn this around is over confident of his ability. Read the Everton banter pages. They're delighted he's gone and they should know!

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Helping who? Moyes or you? He doesn't know how to use the team!

I don't post to make you happy at all!

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C'mon! Be fair with AJH. He always said that we would be okay under DM and he just can't admit that he he's not United standards and now attacks everyone who dare to say that our manager is not good enough to our team.

I rather bite my tongue to see him do better than be here complaining.

With Fellaini, under Fergie we would be at the top 4 right now.

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I've been ambivalent about Moyes - check my post yesterday when I pointed out we have appointed someone who has never won a trophy and has no European experience. Like it or not, we are stuck with him for now.

And yes, SAF may have had this team higher but he is the best Manager of his generation

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AJH

Just stop mate. Stop.
'Transition' suggests we have other options coming in and this season is a case of finding the right balance.

We don't. We have, apart from Fellaini, the exact same squad we had last year - playing a 40yr old Giggs and a disgracefully bad Young does not seem like progress, or transition, to me.

'Transition' would mean we had either
a) 4-5 youngsters chomping at the bit and ready to plunge into the deep end, replacing the old guard or

b) 3-4 new signings in the squad needing time to adjust to the new club.

We have neither. It's the same hangers-on and veterans brigade with Fellaini.

Someone said on here the other night

"This squad won the league last year, they can't have turned into bad players overnight"

That's true. What's also true, is the rest of the league went out and BOUGHT BETTER PLAYERS THAN THEY HAD LAST SEASON. We didn't. Therefore, we've stood still while others have strengthened, so every game we played last season will be tougher this season.

We haven't turned into a terrible team overnight. Everyone else has just got that little bit better and without SAF's drive, we're going to feel the squeeze every single weekend.

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RED SKY

I agree with your points but what would you call it? We need some serious changes, if we are not in transition then we are in need of it. We have some ageing players and some young players that have yet to live up to the expectations placed upon them. I generally try to be positive but I'm frustrated with the 'we have the best squad in the league' mentality that keeps popping up. We need to support our team but not kid ourselves that significant change isn't needed

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AJH

I totally agree mate. IMO, we Don't have a great squad. i'd say its 'good' at best. If we were to lose say, Rooney and RVP to injury, we would be SCREWED. And that to me, is not the sign of a good squad. There's too much deadwood, as there was last season, and it hasn't been shifted or replaced.

What worries me the most is to challenge on all fronts, I'd honestly say we need 4-5 major signings - not all £30m+, but certainly one or two £30m+ world-class players and a couple of £15-20m hot prospects who can hit the ground running.

And I know deep down, that our owners will not release that kind of money. Some really poor decisions, complacency and penny-pinching have really put us in the corner now, and it's going to be a blood and guts scrap to try and get out of it.

I'd be playing Januzaj at every suitable opportunity and where the hell is Zaha? If he can't do better than our appalling wingers, he shouldn't be at the club full-stop.

Give him a run-out, see what happens.

Massive run of games now, and after this weekend, I wouldn't call anything a sure-fire 3pts, so it's going to be a tough few weeks!

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29 Sep 2013 16:16:54
I do think moyes is the man for the job this team needs a shake up Nani Anderson Young should be sold a centre back is a must as is a winger and young Adnan needs to be tied down to a long term deal ASAP or we will regret it big time. would like to see Garay or Varane signed along with Reus who would use like to see signed?

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Reus would be a great great signing, the signings I want are all from Dortmund lol

Klopp
Hummels/Subotic
Gundogan

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You say Moyes is the man for the job then you say sell Nani?

you do know he gave Nani a new bumper 5 yr contract don't ya?

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29 Sep 2013 15:50:54
Man Utd have today been linked with Sergio Roberto the Barcelona wonder kid. Barcelona have offered around his services for an apparant 6m to free up some much needed money. Although probably not a nailed on starter for first team yet this player would be an absolute steal considering the rubbish we currently have on our wings. Let's start from back to front and remember this is an opinion linked in to what players we have been linked with and a couple we should be linked with considering we are Manchester United and sometimes get linked with players that just are not the quality we need. Rio Ferdinand has played far too many games this season and should be used far more sparingly if at all. David de gea and Lindegard, fine. Smalling, jones, Evans are the future along with vidic. Raphel will be a world beater with our recently acquired younger right back filling in when needed. Evra! Needs to be sold immediately, he's been a liability for far too long. Buttner just isn't good enough. Possible replacements should be either coentrao or bains with shaw rotating. Fellaini and carrick are fine. Anderson and cleverley need to go. Fletcher needs to retire along with Higgs. Possible replacements should be anders herrera and a huge bid for aturo Vidal who is quite possibly the most complete midfielder around. Juventus wouldn't be able to turn down a bid in excess of 60m and believe me when I say he is worth every penny. That would give us 4 strong midfielders competing for 2 places on a rotation basis. Wingers! Valencia, young and nani are completely useless when connecting midfield to attack and in general. Van Persie has no supply at all. All 3 need to be sold yesterday! Marco reus and Alexis Sanchez need to be bought with sergi Roberto and Saha as back up rotating. Marco reus would take a huge bid and effort to prize away, but if we seriously bid for bale then surely reus is worth that sort of money as he can and will be in that category. Strikers are fine. We have 4 Great forwards that offer everything depending on who you play. 2 players for every position with youngsters being Brough in for early cup games and injury. We need wholesale changes to the first team and squad. Money must be spent to ensure we stay at the top so the glazers have a successful team to capture the marketing partnerships we read about daily. Any comments would be appreciated. I'm a united fan through and through. It breaks much heart to see we are rapidly becoming the next Liverpool.

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Dismal post mate. Not entirely sure whether you have any idea what you're talking about. Sergi Roberto is a CM, not a winger. Vidal is a fantastic player. but a bid in excess of 60m? For that we could probably get Gundogan, who would suit us much better AND an LB such as Coentrao. Two wingers aren't needed, I don't know if you have heard of Januzaj or not but him and Zaha are the future on the wings IMO. There's also Lingard who can play as an attacking left or right sided midfielder. as well as through the middle.

You're advocating selling 6 of our first team regulars in one swoop. absolute nonsense! I agree that a lot of them are not up t standard but we've seen how a huge coaching and managerial overhaul is treating us, can you imagine trying to integrate 5/6 new players from different teams and countries into one starting XI and expect them to be world beaters? Get real.

And don't say you're a United fan through and through and follow it by comparing us to the scousers.

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You mean integrating 5 or 6 new players like spurs have? :)

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So it's better to keep average players than buying better players because it will be difficult to integrate them!

!50 million no matter how you look at it and 6 players over 2 windows if we need to.

People should stop anointing Zaha and Janusaj as the next big thing as they have done nothing so far and we are a long way away from them being our wingers.

Don't get me wrong I like them but this silly stuff has to stop because on that basis Chelsea have 10 of these guys and the reality is most will not make it as proven with our previous so called next big thing.

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29 Sep 2013 15:28:20
We had the same team for the past few seasons with SAF which Moyes has right now but the difference is SAF had the balls and ability to inspire some of the ordinary layers to work upto their full potential and turned them into winners. MOYES clearly lacks that ability.

Frankly I can't think of any manager who would have won the league with the team we had last season.

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Completely agree with you MB. Klopp, Mourinho, Pep can't win the league with these players but they would have realized this beforehand and would have the changes in the summer rather than underbidding for the players.
I'm not saying that it was moyes's fault completely but the others would have made woodwards life miserable unless he got them what they wanted.

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29 Sep 2013 15:26:20
when do we start ringing hospitals to see if they've got Sydney?

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Ive been asking this for hours.

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29 Sep 2013 15:24:09
Look I hate to upset you all that are calling for his head but we won't sack DM because we are better than that.

Its a time of change and it may not be pretty but its happening so we just have to ride it out.

they won't sack DM so you may aswell get behind him.

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I am in full support of the manager loads on here talk like this is an easy job to walk into but the reality is its not. If we don't finish in the top four he will probably and deservedly get the sack but for now he is the boss I believe he will turn a corner and get us motoring and challenging on all fronts the squad is big the squad has enough quality to make it to January then spend, we will probably get a left back as that is what we tried to get in the summer. I do think he needs to give Zaha a go he has that thing that we are lacking at the moment only Rooney is really at the top of his game but we have done it before and we can do it again and that's bounce back, time to get behind the team and help them with some noise home and away

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I personally think that even if we don't make top4 he will not get the sack!its a transition period and there has been wholesale change at the club from top to bottom everyone is still coming to terms with AF not being there (in a direct position) and this will not happen overnight.Further up the page someone mentioned we would have struggled this year regardless of manager and I completely agree to the point that the right players that we desperately needed this summer never came in even if AF had been in charge and this happened we would have been in trouble.

I hope and think that DM is the right bloke and is just struggling a bit at the moment with walking into the best/most demanding job in world club football.
The last thing we want is our managerial position turning into the England job for example we are called supporters and that is what we should do support.

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The days of the long term managers are over fergie, wenger are never going to be seen again and the norm will be how it is with every other club in europe 2-3 years max and they leave even if successful

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I wonder if any club of our size would hire a new manager on the basis of it is ok to finish outside the top four in its domestic league after having won it the year before.

PSG, City, Real, Chelsea come to mind and I wonder if they would accept that sort of failure and don't understand why we should. If we don't finish top 4 he has to go, no ways about it. There is big difference between transition and complete failure mate.

A few more results like this and you will see banners and fans at ot calling for his head and it will become a matter of damage control.

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The only transition we've had mate is in the staff department. Pity we didn't have such a transition in the actual bloody squad, given the amount of below-par players we've had hanging on for the past couple of years.

Same players, worse backroom staff and management.

And people are surprised the rot is setting in.

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29 Sep 2013 15:19:50
Moyes has no excuses! He has the same team that won last season. He has no clue about what he's doing.

He got rid of everybody that could help him settle in his first year as manager of the most Successful club in England. So he failed.

He made such publicity about how much money we have and the so called quality players he was after. Cesc was the worst thing he did, it made us look weak and unorganized as a club. We could easily get Strootman and Thiago and once again he failed.

With new manager you expect new things and the one who excite people the most is the game play. From the first game of the season he managed to be more boring than we alredy were last season. We conced more goals and score even less. Our football is boring, clueless, there's no passion at all and look like a group of friend who decide to play for fun. So, he failed.

People may not agree with me but I'm sure that almost everybody has doubt about Moyes being abble to manage United in the highest level.

Now, he said that we need at least 4-6 worldclass players, everybody knows that, the question is, can attract this kind of players? do we have money to get them? What was he doing on holidays that seems that he didn't prepare himself to take over the team?

He must make the things right and needs to prove it on the next games if not he can go, we we'll better withou him. People say he needs more time, yes, he need some time to make his tactics right because the team is the same team that won the league last season, just Fellaini was added, so the only thing he needed was to make them play better than last year and win games(accordingly to the "quality") of course.

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29 Sep 2013 12:28:59
Moyes reaction to loosing yesterday. You always lose lots of football matches as manager. Great confidence then David.
All he talks about is transition.
David moyes said in the mail today we are short of class!
Really David are you sure it's not you that's lacking in class.
Watching motd 2. Panel very critical of moyes transfer activity.

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Starting to get a bit bored of his "please feel sorry for me" attitude. He hasn't seemed very passionate or believable form what i've seen

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The problem isn't the manager although I do think he's out of his depth.the problem are the clowns at the top the unbearable yanks.All this nonsense about massive transfer kitty's is laughable.Fergie has to take some blame by buying mediocrity since 2009.Our play is slow boring and predictable.Teams aren't scared anymore.The fear factor has gone.A massclearout but it won't happen.Has anyone see Zaha, he's the invisible man. Blackpool Red

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I would call bidding over 100mill for Bale a massive Transfer Kitty myself.

the problem we had in the Transfer window was that DM is an unknown entity to the calibre of player we wanted so he wasn't able to sign big names.

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How gullible are you.As if we bid 100 million for Bale.Come back to the real world son.We haven't got the money because of our massive interest payments.We don't sign world class players I'm afraid.Van Persie being the exception.We buy mediocrity. Blackpool Red

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If we only offered £30m for Fabregas and argued the toss with bilbao over herrera. didn't make a bid for thiago. Then we're hardly going to bid over 100m for Bale!

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And you all know for a fact he asked for lot's of players and they did not back him right?

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Woodward said there would be no re tooling of the squad and he was good to his word. Anyone who thinks the Glazers would spend £100m, let alone on one player are sadly deluded.

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29 Sep 2013 12:23:20
get real lads, moyes is here and unless the sponsors say so he, s here for a while, the iast 3 seasons have been the worsted footballing I've seen at MU for 25 years, the lost and failure to replace Ronaldo, has been part of the problem, the pacey football has gone, the bulldog in midfeild is not there anymore and though it hurts me to say it a commarding keeper has not arrived yet, moyes is the right man at the mo, he knows the PL better then most managers, but its his lack of knowledge in europe the will find him out, so this season expect a little success in the capitol cup and fourth in the league and then its up to how he deals with the clear out and the new signings, I will ask you all to remember that the great liverpool side of the 70s and 80s fell by the way, we must not let that happen, good luck moyes

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If were not competing on a few fronts and don't make the cl next season or suffer a quick exit this season moyes will be gone 6 year contract or not.we couldn't have a worse game to go to next shaktar donnetsch away I fear the worse after yesterdays performance.

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29 Sep 2013 12:18:31
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How can you searious think we will be title contenders or even be close to winning it. We are miles behind. Most of it due to our negative tactics. Moyes knows nothing other than defensive mindset yet we don't have the players to perform this type of game. Fellani is not a defensive midfielder or is carrick. Fellaini is more of a second striker.

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29 Sep 2013 13:30:34
spot on mate. I agree. why is moyes keep going on about the fixture list. 3-4 yrs ago teams were fearful of us. not the other way round.
Moyes as no clue. and bargaiun basement type manager. with no pedigree. 11yrs of Everton and not one top club as ever considered him. until we come along. I say this a safe pair of hands scenario. and we will live to regret this!

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Hi guys long time no post.

Mre these are exactly my feelings, we all know moyes messed the transfer window, he had the biggest job in the world, the best resources available yet he manages to pay 4 million rxtra for fellaini .

He made the biggest mistake by getting rid of the experienced staff, after doing that he still hasn't been able to fully go in one direction, I just think he's trying to play it the united way ot is getting pressured to play the players that are playin. He needs to know his first team players and play eith a strong intent, at the moment players are confused whether to go all out and play the way they know how to or play cautios (moyes way). We can really only judge after half a season or come the end of the season, let's just hope he does the best he's capable of and gets the best out of the players available and gets us to the best position in the table.

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29 Sep 2013 12:10:51
I keep seeing people saying that Cleverley isn't good enough but he's not started the last two games and look at the results. Moyes needs to firefight till January and that means dropping Rio, playing a three of Fellaini, Carrick and Cleveley, fitting Kagawa, Rooney and van Persie all into the same attack and bringing the kids on. Yes we made a ton of mistakes on the summer, not signing any if Thiago, Strootman or Eriksen butno good crying now.

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29 Sep 2013 12:01:55
I might get called for this but its my opinion, although currently our most in form player, I stil believe that we should of sold Rooney in the summer to get the best out of the team. I honestly think that if Rooney had of been sold then we would all be seeing Ozil 10 on a lot of United shirts this season. I know people would say Rvp gets injured and we've got no firepower, but the creativity Ozil brings is the best in the world no doubt and I think Chicharito and even Welbeck would bag loads of goals with him behind them. As things stand its something we will never see happen now. I think Moyes is trying too hard to build the team around Rooney now but can't drop Rvp so we have to stick with the very out dated 4-4-2 formation and we all know that isn't going to work, especially against big teams, most teams nowadays play 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1, on the odd occasion 4-3-3, they pack midfields so against a 4-4-2 formation they outnumber the midfield 2, 3 beats 2 every time. How can we all see this yet Moyes cant? All we have to do is look back to that 2008 season, we went 4-3-3 a lot with Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo why can't we do this with Rvp, Kagawa and Rooney (if he's adamant he's staying) fellaini, carrick and Jones playing in the middle then if we need to change it about we've got width on the bench to shape it up

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Spot on mate can't agree more. For mei wanted to get rid of him two seasons ago .he is overrated dosent bring others into play that much and is not clinical enough in the box.
Wat happened to the Rooney that came to untd that would shoot from 20 yards out and into top corner

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I wasn't going to entertain a reply. But sell Rooney have you seen any off the games this season? The fault for our form has to be laid at saf feet.

failure to address all off our midfield deficiencies.

his choice of moyes.

we have the worst squad in last years top 5. Simple.

and leaving moyes to clear up the Rooney situation when he should of been concentrating on the 'job'.

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Your not getting my point pal, Rooney has been our in form player yes I agree, but what I am saying is that him being here is not good for the team.
Most fans want the Dortmund style of football nowadays 4-2-3-1, for that formation you need either an amazing number 10, or goalscoring wingers, preferably both, Dortmund last year had Gotze and Reus, this year they have Mkhitaryan and Reus. Unfortunately we don't have either, Rooney isn't a number 10 in my opinion, he's a striker. the number 10 is supposed to be the one who creates everything for the striker, who then scores the goals. If we had signed Ozil and had rid of Rooney I think we would be in much better position than we are now.
The main problem for me is playing Rvp and Rooney in the same team, the only way we could do it is to change the formation as I said before Rooney isn't a world class number 10 but he's not as good a striker as Rvp either, so it leaves us without that creative playmaker but due to the 4-4-2 formation we can't really afford to get one either, where would they fit? I'm just using Ozil as an example ok? there's plenty of others but i'll stick with Ozil, u couldn't play him in a midfield 2 with carrick nor fellaini so where can this player go? its clearly what were missing there's just no room and its down to trying to fit Rooney and Rvp in the same team, the only way possible is a complete change of formation and maybe play the number 10 behind Rooney and Rvp, but then we lose the wingers? its hard.
So in conclusion i'm not saying Rooney is bad, but what I am saying is that he's not a good number 10 and unfortunately for him, there's a better striker at the club so i'll stick to what I said about us being in a better position if we had sold him and bought Ozil, I think most would agree too.

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Still stuck mate in afraid. Sell our star performer. For Ozil who wouldn't sign fos us as we have a rubbish manager.

We should play to our strengths.

Round pegs in round holes. Fergie ruuned Rooney last year. As he has since 2007. He concentrated on our strike force i.e tevez berba etc.

instead of our wingers and central midfielders.

pgoba Morrison he let go and played cleverly.

moyes is poor and never had a chance.

this team is on par with the 2002 dross we endured.

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29 Sep 2013 12:00:58
Ok guys we have all had a moan. yes it was poor but let's get behind our team. we all new it was going to be a hard period with the change of managers. the summer transfers saga was a mess but moyes will put it right. he is the chosen 1. and I will diffinatly not judge him after a few games. were not going to win the league this year. what we do need is a settled team with 2 leader signings. those glory supporters saying get moyes out rubbish go to the city page! Its looking like its going to be an unpredictable season and our team needs are support, through the bad times aswel. so let's get behind them . we are manchester united

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29 Sep 2013 11:53:56
Right guys let's show our class and not act like other fans and move on now and support our great club.

I was gutted yesterday and showed it but that was yesterday so let's talk all things positive-

Januzaj & Rooney.

Now the skill of this young lad is plain for all to see and its just a pity that all aspects of the press aren't raving about him today.

As for Rooney well all I can say is "welcome back!" Great to see. let's just hope that his mind set filters through the rest of the team whoever that is that's played and with him and RVP up front as soon as they click again we are sorted.

I would add however that DM needs to have the courage of his convictions. He fought a summer to get Fellaini so he obviously thought he could do a job for us so stick with him and give him a run with Carrick.

Comer on united. good away win during the week will sort us out!

BELIEVE!

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After yesterday you seriously expect us to turn shaktar over?

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Yes I do!

Know why mate. because I support United even when we are losing. I will always believe we will win the next match.

If we stop supporting the team then we may aswell call it a day and stop turning up on match day.

So yep I will always believe we will win the next match.

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So you only go to see us win? I go to see utd and people I've known for 40 odd years I don't expect or think we have a divine right to win games whatever happens so be it but when I spend a couple of grand a year following utd i'm entitled to an opinion and that's what I give wether people like it or not I only give an opinion on what isee on the pitch and not through rose tinted specs

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Champions

Fine. Nothing wrong with having faith.

But you also believe we offered 100million for Bale this summer, which leads me to believe you've spent at least a portion of your adult life, in care.

There's being a supporter and there's burying your head in the sand.

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29 Sep 2013 11:43:49
Hi fellas, Liverpool fan coming in peace.i said to my brother in law, who is a season ticket holder at ot, that moyes will be to you what souness was to us, the damage he could do in two seasons could take a decade to repair( two in our case ha ha).moyes is just the wrong man for the job, it's simply too big and following fergie was always going to be difficult.i also think mike phelan should have stayed on a while, but I also thing fergie must take some responsibility for not strengthening your midfield the last few years and fergie should have been less self indulgent picking moyes when he could have got guardiola or another top manager which united surely need, oh and Fellini, ok at Everton battling, but not united class, sorry

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Rob d

Spot on mate. This is what I said last week I mentioned the Souness example and people ridiculed it .funny now they are changing their oinion

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29 Sep 2013 11:26:12
Well here I am today with a thumping head ache and the realisation that no amount of alcohol makes the pain of what I saw yesterday any easier to bare.

The shocking truth is we have taken 7 points from a possible 18. Now you can say about the teams we've had to play but that just isn't good enough from a team that coasted to the title last season. We've lost three games to teams that we beat last season with the exact same sqaud bar Fellaini and Zaha.

David Moyes was supposed to bring a defensive solidarity to the team, instead all he's done is take away our attacking intent.

I still believe we have a good sqaud, not a great one but a good one. We need a couple of additions that can make a good team into a great one. And that doesn't mean we have to spend big bucks, but we have to sign the right players what ever they cost. So if the right player costs 10m, 35m or 50m we are going to have to pay it. that's what the top teams do.

Bayern had a great team but still spent 40m on Martinez and this summer spent another 35m on Gotze.

A top team mixes it up they focus on bringing top young players through their academy then they sign a few sqaud players to fill in the gaps and they sign top talent to take the team to the next level.

We need to remember who we are.

And Rio needs to take a long hard look at his performances recently and ask himself does he really have what it takes anymore.

He was supposed to add experiance to our defence yesterday yet it was Jones, Evans and Buttner who were covering his ass time and time again. At a point the experianced become a liability and I think Rio needs to realise this.

Finally I think Moyes has tried to change too much too fast, he speaks about learning to do things the United way but he moved on all the staff who knows what that means and brought in all the Everton staff. How is he supposed to learn the United way from the Everton staff?

Its a shame but i'm starting to think Moyes is seriously out of his depth, unfortunately that means we drown with him. I wonder how long it will be beofre the club calls for lifegaurd Ferguson to save us.

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The problem shappy is we haven't a good squad.Rio Evra Buttner Anderson Young Giggs Nani, should not be playing for manchester united. Smalling Evans Fabio Cleverly Valencia Wellbeck are in my opinion squad players, you could even add fellani and kagawa to that list. We have De gea (who still has a lot to do) Vidic Rooney and RVP who would be the only players you could say would get into into most sides. Jones and Carrick I would have in a united starting XI but would they get into a top teams starting XI? i'm not so sure.
Ferguson has to be held partly responsible for our lack of quality, he never shifted the deadwood when he should. With them players still on the books we can't afford to bring in fresh faces.
The most worrying thing about the squad is lack of response to moyes, if that is still the same after a few more games questions need to be asked not just of the players but the manager.
Its hard to watch the fading of the light.

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I think Moyes' has two games to save his job. I honestly believe that. The team looks down and not up for the fight.

He has changed too much too fast. He should never have gotten rid of Rene, who the players' loved. He shouldn’t have gotten rid of Steele, who had formed a good relationship with De Gea. He has brought in people who are one dimensional and devoid of real tactical know-how. The worrying thing for me though, is the fact that the Players' don't look like they want to play for him. If he can't win them over, then we are in trouble.

If Moyes' is not up to the task, then SAF should come back, given the fact that Moyes' was his decision. If he don't fancy it, we should try and get heynckes out of semi-retirement, and ask him to take Rene back as his assistant with a view to promoting Rene as manager in a few seasons time. We need a winner to steady the ship, and help re-build the team.

Since the boss left, everything has been done in an amateurish fashion; and it has to stop now, before the damage becomes irreparable.

I hope Moyes' proves me wrong. I wouldn't put any money on it though.

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He has a 6 yr contract, do you think the cheap owners will bit the bullet and pay him? I think he has 2 yrs to be honest with you

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First of, I don't think there's anything on god's green earth that a twe ty one year old chivas bottle cannot fix.

Secondly, Moyes is so much out of his depth it's unbelievable, he looks like a cheerleader at a chess competition. Frankly, I do not think Moyes has the top level experience or the intellect to replace ferguson.

The likes of Ferguson and Mourinho have that certain intellect I common. Mourinho is a master tactician while saf is a bit like a chess player, always a couple of douzain moves ahead. I suspect both have an IQ north of 140. That intellect, accompanied with a deep uunderstanding of behavior psychologie, allowed them to manipulate opposing managers, thus the mind games.

Moyes is a nice guy, very harsworking but i'm afraid he's no genius.

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29 Sep 2013 10:20:11
I remember Gary Neville getting roasted in a game and having the pride to say that is enough I am done. let's hope that the WGT has that same pride somehow I don't think so. He is done I know it and you know it

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Ok I'll ask what's WGT stand for?

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29 Sep 2013 11:22:17
Remember your words? ''Rio is a coward and has always been''!

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I agree Kloot. Rio is past it.
However, it is Moyes that continues to play him when we have Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Jones and Keane.

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Who is WGT? Rio? I wouldn't say retire but i'd certainly let him go at the end of the season

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U know so many things KLOOT.

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Wobbly Gobbed Tosser. I think.

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Ahhh bas!cs the fan who dnt see any problem with supporting Liverpool and Chelsea lol

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Pardoe it stands for wobbly-gobbed tosser in reference to his inane tweets

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29 Sep 2013 09:56:16
Interesting that David Moyes admits that we don't have enough world class players to win the Champions League. I wonder how many players we have who are the best in the Premier League? Perhaps De Gea, RVP and Rooney but I can't think of any others who would even get in the City or Chelsea team.

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29 Sep 2013 11:38:09
People always make statements like we have nobody who would start for Real or Bayern but the fact remains football is a team game and if you can get players to gel(e.g Dortmund) then it doesn't matter. Dortmunds spending/success ratio is probably better then any other team in the world these past 4/5 years. How sh1t would it be if every team had unlimited resources?

I hope these FFP rules will return the game somewhat to a scouting system, where the bigger teams can still buy 1 big name a season but also must bring through youngsters/relatively unknowns to have success. The Dortmund fans adore their manager and his team because they obviously scouted and brought together a team full of rekatively unknowns who play fantastically together. Makes me wonder if maybe we didn't do the same work they did in our scouting of kagawa.

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Sorry Paulo, but he knew all of this even when he was at Everton. While I don't blame him for the players that he ended up inheriting, but I see way too many excuses coming up. Whie they may be genuine, he still had 2 full months to sort them out. If he did not, I don't think he has the right to talk about it.

Put things into perspective, he THOUGHT that Thiago Alcantara is not suited to the Premier League and hence we did not continue with out firm interest from the Fergie times. Poor call IMO.

But then KLOOT may be right, the root cause for everything may be that funds are not freely available, that's it. We can judge for ourselves.

Deeps.

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Go back 4-6 years that team had around 8 class players who would of walked in every other team and played fast football. Last 3 seasons we have Been so slow and our starting 11 in comparison to other teams isn't good enough it was clear we needed 2 class midfielders a lb and a winger instead we over payed for an overrated wig. Moyes has twice said that they lack world class players in the last 2 weeks that to me suggests there wasn't the backing in the summer (unlimited funds).

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29 Sep 2013 09:53:20
I didn’t have the chance to watch the game yesterday and it seems that it was eventually better for me and my nerves.I have watched the highlights and it seems that, once again, we were overrun in midfield.Their first goal reminds me of Bale’s goal at OT about 1 year ago.Absolutely no need to comment on Ferdinand as well.Judging from the posts on here, it seems that we also lacked creativity once more.I’ll have to agree that the fact that we have’t scored from open play since the match with Swansea is worrying to say the least.

I had much faith into the team and Moyes even after our humiliation at the Etihad and thought that we would bounce back during this run of winnable games.I still believe that we will be a threat for the title this season, but if we don’t get the results we need in the next 3-4 league games then I’ll have to change my view.Moyes needs to sort out the team fast and find his strongest lineup, because if we don’t win our next games we will have huge problems.Although it is clearly a transitional season for us, we should still aim to win titles simply because of the fact that we are named Manchester United.If we don’t win the league(which looks very probable right now), then we should finish in top 4 and try win the League Cup or FA Cup and try to put out some good performances in Europe.Who knows, with a bit of luck we can even get to the last 8, can’t we?

In the January transfer window it’s clear we should sign a creative cm and a cb.It will be difficult for sure, but I can’t imagine us going all season with this midfield.Until January though, we should try to play Carrick and Fellaini as often as we can, because that’s our only midfield 2 that will not get overrun easily, even if they are a slow pairing.We should also make Jones or Evans along with Vidic our first options for the cb pairing.Ferdinand should be playing less and less often from now on.Rafael should be playing in rb week in week out.Then let’s hope RvP can come up with a bit of magic in the next games and be our savior once again.

Wednesday looks very far away right now for me.I just can’t wait to see how we respond (once again).

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You should of watched the full 90 minutes and you would probably have a different view.we will be nowhere near the top of the prem league this season and unless things change quickly won't be in the top 4.whatever system moyes has asked us to play is obviously not working and quite afew of the team yesterday looked as though they didn't know where they should be playing or what there role was, it was absolutely shocking inechebe bullied ferdinand and evans all game until he was subbed.yesterday was the 1st time in a very long time that boo, s rang out around ot at the final whistle, if moyes thinks he has had pressure so far he's in for a shock if thing don't turn around quickly

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29 Sep 2013 09:52:31
It's been very disappointing start to the season and there is a lot of emotion about but how about we just look at facts that cannot be argued with.

1. We appointed a Manager who has never won a trophy and has no European experience.
2. The backroostaff knew the players, their strengths, weaknesses, foibles, how they prepad and so on, but were all moved on.
3. We have 2 coaches wi no experience at all and a backroostaff that have never won a trophy (as a back room team)
4. Several of our 1st team players are over 30.
5. Our transfer dealings in the Summer were amateurish.
6. We paid £4M more for Fellaini than we needed to have done.
7. Servicing debt has cost us hundreds of millions of pounds.
8. This is our worst start in 24 years.

I think they are facts, now onto a few that are more my opinion but certainly have some evidence to support them.

1. Cleverley is 24 and Anderson is 25. They have had more than enough opportunities to nail down a 1st team place and have been unable to.
2. Buttner is not good enough for United. Nor is Young.
3. Age has caught up with Rio who has befall over the place this year.
4. Nani is poor when played on the left but has had some good games when played on the right.
5. Moyes alleged training regime is clearly not as good as we were told as Fellaini is finding the training at United a challenge.
6. RVP looks pre-occupied and a little unhappy.
7. jones and Smalling are yet to nail down a firm position or place.
7. Despite being 1 of the richest clubs in the world, we appear unable to complete in the trans market.

So what to do? Well, I think DM needs to decide on his best team and pick it. Rio needs to be back up now, Zaha needs to at least get on the subs bench, Fellaini needs to be told to pick his game up and the whole team needs to step up the tempo. We need to but in January but I am not convinced we will.

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Why don't we get Rene back? It would look like desperation and it probably would be, but he has a great tactical mind and he knows how to coach very good players, let alone the ones who aren't so good. Essential in the European games. Letting all the previous staff go suggested insecurity rather than confidence.

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I agree with all your points! But we will not be able to step up the tempo with what we have. This IMO was criminal. The transfer season was a disaster and on second thoughts Woodpecker and Moyes are equally responsible.

Too many excuses coming up! People ridicule Jose and I may agree with some of that, but onequestion, Do you think he would have put up or (assessed) the present squad we have without adding players? Would he have been ok with the penny pinching ways of the Glazer? He would have spoken up, that's for sure.

Deeps.

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No point buying in jan wait till summer and really buy top quality, that's if any top players would join a mid table outfit we are in trouble I've been kind saying we will struggle to make top 4 seems we will struggle to make top 8

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Jose would not have been happy with the penny pinching glazers that's why they would not have given him the job,

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29 Sep 2013 09:23:20
how many utd players work really really hard. I've never been a fan of the Barcelona tip tap rubbish, no matter how much it has dominated I just find it boring. however out of possession they work so hard to get the ball back and work together to do it. I watch rooney close down the centre back as hard as he can just for the other 9 players behind him to be stood still. I love being a utd fan and often drift back to the days when we played at a real fast pace.

when I say old days I mean 5-7 years ago. I saw a repeat of the 08 final against Chelsea and the pace of the game is remarkable. that was a side that included Ronaldo, tevez, and rooney so it wasn't lacking quality but the work rate is phenomenal. when we played in Europe we used to blow teams off the park with the sheer pace of the players and the pace in which we counter attacked and switched the play. with wingers able to beat their full back, full backs willing to overlap the wingers.

I hate seeing a midfield players taking the ball from the centre back unless he is going to carry the ball forward. do our midfield not trust the centre backs to move forward with it. call me crazy but if they are offering themselves for the ball in the other half they are an attacking option. and when a player shows for the ball and with no pressure on him just passes it straight back, and its always backwards. makes me sick.

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It is called old legs mate, sometimes no matter how much you want to, it is just not there physically and questioning players passion and drive is not fair.

SAF watched the core of this team get old and slow and bought winger and strikers. Look at his last main purchases, RVP, Henriques, Kagawa and then Zaha.

He never subscribed to the theory of having a dominant, technical midfielders evident by his transfer dealings. I mean he thought guys like Giggs can do a job.

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You find Barcelona boring?You follow the wrong sport.Like them or not boring is not something that can be said about their play.

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29 Sep 2013 07:53:54
Eds

Is there any truth the club is looking for a first 11 come january. {Ed002's Note - The club are looking to add one or two players in January.}

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What about the other 9 players :)

{Ed002's Note - Obviously other clubs are much luckier than Manchester United. They have fans who actually support the team and the players - Manchester United has people like you who think all of the players are trash.

No support for the owners, no support for the management and no support for the players - hey, you are becoming like Liverpool of the past five years.}

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Kapow right in the kisser!, we do need 2 or 3 new players its evident to everyone hopefully woodward will get a grip this january

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Ed, I agree with what you said but supporting the owners? for real? they have riddled us with unwanted debt and continually take money from the club when it need investing in the team. {Ed002's Note - If the owners sell the club it is them who take the hit on the debt.}

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29 Sep 2013 12:18:46
Ed02, are they players we've targeted in the past or are we going to have some new ones? {Ed002's Note - Certainly Garay remains a target. I would not discount a move for Herrera.}

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002 it is very good to have you back :) {Ed002's Note - You are very sweet.}

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29 Sep 2013 23:37:34
Ed02, Who are the players we currently have an interest in? We know of Garay, Baines and Herrera but any others? {Ed002's Note - I am not so sure that there is sustained interest in Baines - the others, yes.}

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29 Sep 2013 07:50:34
Really hope we tie up januzaj's contract ASAP. He and Jesse Lingard are the two most talented players coming up from youth level we have at the minute and probably have for a good few years. Just hope he isn't swayed by the money City are ellegedly prepared to offer.

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Moyes should offer him decent money and more playing time these aren't the days a good acadamy player is going to wait for his chance he will move for playing time {Ed002's Note - Moyes does not decide on the money.}

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He has so much potential it's mad! I know he only comes on for like the last 20 minutes of a game but for someone who is 18 and developing, I've got to say I notice his ability more than the likes of young/Nani. If he doesn't get his chance then it will be a pogba saga all over again.

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29 Sep 2013 06:04:37
Before the season began, I was concerned Moyes would need some bedding in time to shape a team in his mould. I've been extremely impressed with how rapidly United have adapted to his style, though.

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Haha good banter.

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Good Banter mate LOL.

I think a lot of the regulars have gone on a drinking bing after yesterday's performance and will be interesting to see the banter today.

I just hope for your sake you guys don't drop the ball at Sunderland :) Although having said that not sure which one is worse, us losing to WBA at home or you losing to Sunderland away.

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I definately went on the drink after the game got home at 11pm 13 pints the worse ouch I nearly had twice as many pints as we have points lol

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29 Sep 2013 00:57:06
We all knew that this season was going to be a bumpy one, but so far it has been worse than I was expecting. It's like watching a United team of the seventies.Totally disjointed, inconsistent, no belief and no will and drive to win.How can a team that had all of the above in bucket loads loose these qualities in the space of a few months?
What probably worries me the most is the niaivity of DM.
1.When he got the job it would have come with plenty of advice from fergie re. the state of the squad, weak points and all scouting reports.He coose to ignore these and go on his own.
2. Any one who ended up in getting a top job in their chosen profession and had 8 weeks to prepare before they officially started would study and prepare so that they would be up to speed so that they could hit the ground running
3. Why in the name of god did he go and dismantle a very successful back room team, surely some of these people would have been invaluable to him.
4. Everyone knows Rio has to be managed carefully and sparingly, why is DM not following the proven programme that was designed for him which worked very well over the past number of seasons.
5.How can he not know his strongest eleven at this stage, after all was pre season not the time to experiment.
6.Will it get to the stage where he will alienate players with some wanting out or not give a sh1t when on the pitch?
On a plus side at least he has got Rooney playing again, just imagine what position we would be in if this was not the case.
Here's hoping we turn the corner pretty soon.

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I agree red P. During are season, we saw some truly horrendous performances. We then had two months of transfer circus that basically made the club look like total persons.
All the time, we were told give Moyes a chance as he's just taken over.
What did he do in the two months before taking over. In fact I'm sure he knew of his appointment well before that. So why was he so unprepared?
When talking of kagawa, he says 'people keep telling me how good he is'. If he has to listen to people telling him how good or bad his players are, then we've got a big problem.
I said from day one that he was the wrong choice and I remember the last cock up we made when sir Matt retired. But why did he have to dismantle the backroom staff? When our goalkeeping coach had turned the gea from a novice goalkeeper scared of his own shadow, into the best keeper in the league, why did he lose his job. Why did ReneM lose his job when he had been fergie's right hand man and had just won the league?
Most worryingly, the players don't seem very happy and they don't look motivated. Now you might say that they are playing for United and they should give there all, but they are all humans and they need guidance just lime the rest of us. He was also supposed to sort us out defensively, but we're conceding goals at the speed of knots.
Give him time? Why? Its not his fault he's was 'chosen' (sick), but the guy has non of the criteria to fit this job, so I think we have to recognise the error of our ways and get rid now, before he starts buying the rest of the Everton team!

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A few points.
1.If you guys were lucky enough to buy the rest of the Everton team you's wouldn't be sinking to the bottom of the table, fast.

2. Why would a team full of talented professionals who are enjoying playing for a manager who allows them to express themselves want to join team that's clearly in decline.

3. I hope you realise that football fans all over the country are having a really good laugh at your great clubs expense. And we've still got six more years to look forward to. Fantastic

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Martin, I feel sorry for you but don't be dissappointed when we finish 15-20 points above you, ok?

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Martin. I take it then you will be watching UTD for the next 6 years rather than your supposed club Everton. Admit it you are all closet Utd supporters. Just can't take your eyes off us. just come out of your ABU closet you will feel so much better!

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29 Sep 2013 12:16:16
Eric Steele wasn't sacked he retired and was always going this summer.

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Nicolas . now you must be a bookie, believing that for this season . United are in turmoil atm .what odds are you giving to finish 20 points above Everton .?

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28 Sep 2013 23:41:25
Hey guys I know there's a lot of smart guys on here on the football front and was wondering after cough getting the sack today, how many managers have been sacked after facing a scot in the other dugout. I'm sure fergie got rid of a few. I'd imagine people likes shappy, syd, red man etc might like this question. As you can tell I'm Scottish so please give moyes a chance, the older united fans will know what I'm on about from the fergie days, back when utd weren't winning every thing

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I am not Scottish but I am objective. Nani should not have been re-signed. Whilst he made a couple of good passes and runs, he does not really challenge lost ball and at times seemed disengaged. Anderson and Buttner should not be in the first XI. Should have started RVP instead of Chicha. Rio should be retired permanently. He lost the plot. That said, whilst I still think DM is a good manager but think he is a stubborn manager trying to change the grain of the Red wood. Am sure his coaching staff is serving him well but are they serving Man United well. It is time DM wakes up else I seriously worry for him the repercussion from the fans.

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Yeah we also remember when sir Matt retired and we hired a very nice man, wilf McGuiness, who was totally out of his depth.
Does that remind you of anyone?

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