Manchester United Banter Archive August 02 2012

02 Aug 2012 23:27:14
You don't see me going on the Liverpool site all the time, do you Bliar?

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - Maybe Blur doesn't see you GAGUS...... ;-)
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Trust me GUGAS mate, you don't want to do that. Them LFC fans will only want to talk about football or 'soccer' as you call it.

You will be like a fish out of water mate. Flapping about and just waiting to be put out of your misery.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

LOL Liverpool fans don't know what they're talking about. Wasn't it you who said Suarez was the best player in the Premier League? LOL

G.A.G.U.S

He was GUGAS mate. He'll be the best player in the Italian League after he signs for Juve. I heard he'll be earning 500k euros a week.

That's about £78 sterling, in todays markets mate. I knew we were cutting down on our wage bill but this is ridiculous.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Bliar what are you on about?

G.A.G.U.S

Suarez was the best player in the PL mate. He's off to Juve so will be no longer.

Apologies mate. I keep forgetting to 'dumb' it down, when I'm talking to Mancs. Won't happen again.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

In the first half of the season the best player was probably Rooney second half of season was Valencia. Blair would like to let you know bebe has a better shots to goal ratio than the racist.

Caolán.

02 Aug 2012 22:39:35
It seems this summer we maybe bein dragged along again as before by Utd into we are tryin to get this or that player but inside your thinkin is this just show! At min its like RVP&Moura 2 pos big signings fans fooled into looking waitin for news on them thinkin them 2 along with Kagawa/Powell&titles coming back but inside you know you Utd won't be signing them,the same cover excuses as why didn't sign them&then see them move for a lot cheaper than all the reported figures!

Eh?!

FredtheRed

02 Aug 2012 21:53:45
With SAF rushing out to defend himself against the rumours of receiving a cut of the IPO money!Where's Gill with his two penneth?Does this mean he's getting some dosh with his silence!

No

GDS

He can't comment on anything related to the IPO due to the rules of IPO...

PRATEEK

02 Aug 2012 20:31:01
Guys can I just get some opinions on Ashley Young? Personally I rate him quite highly and think he has more to give. But how do you think he'll fit into the squad this season? Cheers!

Andy

I think he is a good squad player for us and did relatively well in his first season. I also like his versatility which suits the style of play we are aiming for - he can play on either flank or in a more central position

BUT...and it's a big but...I think he is at his peak in terms of performance and I don't think his level is quite good enough to be a regular starter if we are aiming to win the PL and challenge in Europe. He will never be 'world class' in my eyes. Mainly I think because he doesnt have that little bit of 'magic' to beat a player and although he is effective during spells you don't often see him taking the game by the scruff of the neck and dominating defences - as you see Valencia or Nani do on their day

Ideally, I'd keep him as a squad player for this season then look to cash in on him next summer before he's too old - by which time we will hopefully have a new top LW/LAM

Gav

He has had some good games for United but has become far too lazy. Depending too much on winning free-kicks to create goal scoring opportunities than using his skills to do it, very akin to Nani in that respect. I personally wouldn't be sorry to see him leave.

We will see the best of Young when he isn't doing his and Evra's job. Having someone like Baines at LB would give him more license to get forward and not have to worry so much about getting back to help the LB.

Sydney!

Oh dear, Miguel Delaney believes the Baines deal could be dead. Who's next?

Sydney!

Everton have twice confirmed there has been no contact from man united about baines
jred

Everton have ONCE said there has been no contact and what would you expect them to say?

Sydney!

Moyes said on sky in an interview that there had been no contact and there was a press release last week.

so by my counting thats 2,
what would i expect them to say, well if there had been no contact i would expect them to say pretty much what they have said.

i can see were your coming from but statements like;
"We have not even had a single enquiry from Manchester United.

"Every week we are asked the same question, but it is the same answer, and we are getting a touch fed up with it. For two months it has been suggested that Manchester United have bid for Baines, but it is simply not true."

sounds more like a club getting sick of SPECULATION about one of its players than a club trying to drum up interest or hide a possible deal
jred

But neither of them quotes were from Moyes were they Jred?

Sydney!

Syd
both them quotes are from the press release
last wee , moyes said in an interview shown on sky that there has been no contact from united about either baines or falleni and that they would not welcome bids for either player
jred

Sure, I seen the Moyes comments on Sky some weeks ago, but those quotes that you wrote are purely speculative. None of them quotes were from anyone at Everton FC.

Sydney!

02 Aug 2012 20:14:28
Whilst I don't feel Fergie is due any criticism it will undoubtedly come his way due to the Glazers latest antics - they have put him in an awkward position - the least they can do is back him and push thru on the transfer targets (back him with money not words and good intentions as Fergie himself claims to be the case)

02 Aug 2012 18:34:46
Hi Guys
I've read on other sites that Fergie is coming in for some criticism about receiving extra payments.
People are even suggesting he quits.
What a load of bo**ocks.Fergie is the best manager there ever was,is and ever will be.He bought this club off its knees and turned us into one of the best Clubs in the World.He is Manchester United through and through and I for one will back him everytime because he has the best interests of United at all times.

Bazza The red

The manager has made it very clear that he does not benefit either directly of indirectly with this IPO. That should be enough for any United fan, it certainly is for me.

Sydney!

Well said mate some fans just jump on the back of any negativity. The man IS United and we should be honoured to hve him as our manager

Gav

Personally I would prefer Fergie getting the money than the Glazers as Fergie has worked wonders for our club and he deserves the money far more than those leeches. Gilly

The question is who is going to get a share of the $288m option package

jred

I must say so what if Fergie benefits, i'm sure we all agree he sure does deserve it!?

Andy

Players perhaps? I know the Glazers are not getting any of it and the manager has made it clear neither is he.

Sydney!

Maybe but can't see them giving it to tbecplayers but who knows
Jred

Syd, how do you know the Glazers aren't getting any of it? Have I missed something bud?

Whistler.

Andy Green said it on Twitter (I think). I will look again tomorrow mate.

Sydney!

Is this $288m option package just the money they are getting from the 10% of the club that they are selling or is this a completely different matter ? ? ? Gilly

The glazers wont be getting it because they allready own the shares , so they would be given themselves shares that they allready own. that basically what ag said

jred

02 Aug 2012 17:46:41
Sorry for the copy and paste but this looks promising.

Manchester United's complicated pursuit for Brazilian starlet Lucas Moura has taken a positive turn, after the 19-year-old's parents told Sao Paulo officials that the player wants to join the Red Devils.
 
Despite a recent setback suggesting that the Brazilian was on the verge on signing a new contract at Sao Paulo, the latest development suggests that Lucas only has eyes for a move to Manchester United, amid rumours that the affluent FC Anzhi have shown slight interest. Inter Milan have also shown regenerated interest following significant investment in the club from Chinese investors.
 
However, an update from Brazilian ESPN suggests that the 19-year-old is only interested in leaving Sao Paulo for Manchester United. The report states that Lucas' parents have held discussions with Sao Paulo president, Juvenal Juvencio, who told them of the developing interest from the wealthy Russian side who are prepared to offer the player the superior financial package, and of Inter's renewed attention. However, the player's parents told Juvencio that Lucas is only interested in a move to Old Trafford.
 
Earlier in the week the Nerazzurri revealed that a group of Chinese investors had become the club's second largest shareholder, taking a 15 percent stake in the Italian club. In addition to promises of new stadium, it is understood the Chinese investors will aid the club's efforts to sign Lucas Moura, who Inter have maintained an interest with along with United this summer.
 
Earlier in the week, Lucas said that he is to decide his future after the Olympics. "At the moment I'm a Sao Paulo player and I'm focused on the Olympics.
 
"I don't want to worry about this. If I am meant to leave now, it will happen," he continued. "Otherwise, I'll remain calm because I'm still very young.
 
"After the Olympics are over, I'll decide. If I stay at Sao Paulo, I'll be happy because it's the club where I started my career."
 
 Matt

He had a choice to sign a new contract for 20-30k a week. Or sign for United and get 100-120k a week, tough choice. lol

He will only sign for you because Inter didn't want him. Did he not say a few months ago he wants to go to Inter? It's Inters loss and your gain, he is a fantastic player.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Awesome if true, Lovely to hear a player wants only to join united.

Cban

Blair, I bet you wish you didn't send that bitter post now don't you? I am embarrassed for you mate ;)

Sydney!

I'm confused.....YNWA? Why would a liverpool fan be posting You Never Win Anything? It's true but Im surprised for a Liverpool supporter to finally acknowledge that indeed, they never win anything! -KG

None of my posts are bitter Disney mate. I'll say my good byes now ladies, going to watch the highlights of our tremendous victory away in Belarus.

It's up there with Istanbul, speak to you soon......

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Borini bought to replace Suarez, a player who cannot score against the Belarus minnows? A team that poor Downing managed to score against. The very same Downing with zero goals and assists in the EPL last season. You are in major decline my friend. Your best players are leaving and you cannot stop the rot. It's not just that you cannot attract top players, you cannot even keep the decent players you have got ;)

Sydney!

02 Aug 2012 17:30:17
Lucas Moura has told sao paulo he only wants to move to manchester united

02 Aug 2012 16:58:17
ed's, any new interest in Moutinho? thanks

Jake F {Ed002's Note - Rumours persist of Moutinho moving to Chelsea if they would pay the 30M euros required but realistically it is unlikely to happen. If Spurs lose Modric, I would expect that they will look to Moutinho. Barcelona may also show an interest but would probably need a cheaper deal - possibly involving other players.}

02 Aug 2012 16:54:06
It dont work

ross
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It should. Go to 'My Teams' and down at the bottom of the page, and join league.

G.A.G.U.S

I'm in trying for 3 days it join today

Ross

02 Aug 2012 16:07:44
fans who have been asking for sir alex to resign, hang your heads in shame,everyones entitled to their opinion but to suggest he should resign on hear say is totally out of order after what hes done for manchester united, we've got a huge season ahead and the last thing we need is this distracting the team,even if we dont make anymore signings,ill be behind the players and manager 100% and believe we can win trophies,get behind the team,they need us.

phil

I wasn't aware that anybody on this site had suggested he should resign...

T0MB0Z

Where did i mention fans on this sight had said it?im just expressing my view on here as every other fan site is just full of abuse,the ed's do a good job here,great site

phil

News to me Phil, i haven't seen any posts on here asking him to resign.

Simmo

02 Aug 2012 15:50:02
Why isn't Izzy here yet? He should have been our first summer signing! Oi SAF, extract the digit!!

DL10

02 Aug 2012 15:01:00
Well i said it before but got shot down in flames by Sydney. We are not signing anyone else. All this talk that we bid for Hazard or Moura and they rejected is tosh. We put in a Mickey Mouse bid just to keep the fans happy and distracted from a sad reality. The Glasers are milking the club knowing as long as we finish in the top 4 we get CL football. Like Arsenal who have lost their ambition, but just coin in the cash we will follow them down that road too.

Emptyred

You do realise there is a month left don't you? Also do you not think it's possible for the Glazers to both milk us and buy players?

Sydney!

Speak for ur own team. We bought giroud, podolski, cazorla and maybe sahin on loan.

How much would you think is a fair price for Moura then? You can't possibly know about us not signing anybody so this is a load of tosh anyway.

GDS

If all the press reports regarding Hazzard were true then i assume we matched any bid that was accepted seeing as he got to pick from us, city and chelsea? Hardly micky mouse bids if thats correct!

Parks.

The only thing that stopped Hazard joining us was Chelsea winning the CL. Had that not happened, he would be a United player by now IMO.

TK-Red

Why then did Fergie say that Hazard was signed for silly money? It was clearly meant to suggest that Hazard is not worth the money Chelsea paid for him. It would be pretty contradictory for Fergie to suggest the player isn't worth the money if he was also willing to pay that much. Fergie's comments clearly indicate that we were outbid. Hazard may have been unwilling to join Chelsea before they won the CL, but after that Chelsea simply outbid us and got their man.

Danny Pughnited

So it wasnt the issue with the 5mill agent fee

Danny, I am sure the manager meant his overall costs including agents fees/signing on fees/salary etc, not just the £32m fee.

Sydney!

Syd
"There is a borderline in terms of what you would think is a good signing for United," he said.
"I see some values on players, like Hazard for instance. To me it was a lot of money. He's a good player, but £34m?"

" We placed a value on Hazard which was well below what they were talking about."
fergy on the hazard deal

r u really sure fergy meant overall costs?
jred

I guess he never meant overall costs then. £34m for Hazard is some amount of cash though. A top player but I think a fee closer to £25m would have been a more fitting price for Hazard. When you look at Mata, Nasri, Yaya, Oscar, Silva etc all costing £25m, I think £34m is over the odds.

Sydney!

It was us unwilling to meet the agent's £5m demands which led to Hazard joining Chelsea. He did favour the capital too, something about the schooling or something. But the agents are more powerful than some think and we were unwilling to pay him more than the going rate. I imagine that would have been around £3m. Chelsea winning the UCL was a major issue which I did mention before the semis.

Sydney!

""I see some values on players, like Hazard for instance. To me it was a lot of money. He's a good player, but £34m?"

He clearly stated that the fee was excessive, he then adds that the agents fees are also excessive.

And finally,

"It's all about what you think is value for a player. I am not envious of those deals at all. We placed a value on Hazard which was well below what they were talking about. So if it doesn't work, well we're not worried about that."

So straight from the horses mouth, we were outbid, we were unwilling to match the club's valuation. Hazard didn't choose Chelsea over us, we didn't have a bid accepted.

Can't wait to see how you try to twist that one to make it look like you're right Syd.

Danny Pughnited

Syd
"There is a borderline in terms of what you would think is a good signing for United," he said.
"I see some values on players, like Hazard for instance. To me it was a lot of money. He's a good player, but £34m?"

" We placed a value on Hazard which was well below what they were talking about."
fergy on the hazard deal

r u really sure fergy meant overall costs?
jred

Danny, you always seem so angry lately, chill out my friend. If you are that angry with the way the club is run then do something about it. Coming on here and biting at everyone's posts will not oust the Glazers. I cannot remember the last post of yours that was positive.

If we sign RVP or Moura this summer and replace Evra I bet you will still find something to whinge about.

Sydney!

Sydney

Your last comment was a real deflection when someone else showed there is a clear issue with paying the fee and meeting a valuation on a player.

Red Man

Syd
I think Danny was just pointing out you were wrong
Maybe Tomoz will come and back u up lol

On a different note hazard was always going to go for 30 mill + similar to the the argy lad at psg

Were does this leave the whole we must have money we were going to spend 30 mill on hazard theory
Jred

Red Man, not at all Danny's posts are always negative and depressing. RFT and yourself always have good things to say as well as your negative posts, but I am yet to see a pro-United post from Danny this year. When I see a Danny post I go from delighted to suicidal in seconds. Delighted he hasn't topped himself, but then depressed after reading another one of his posts.

If we never agreed to equal or beat a £34m Chelsea bid then I do not blame the club. He isn't worth that amount. Not when you consider his £5m agent fees, signing on fee etc. The club always knew they would need to pay perhaps £25m for Hazard, but I doubt they would have thought it would be as high as £32m/£34m. If we were spending that kind of money I would go all out for Oezil, he wouldn't cost as much as that and is just what we need.

Sydney!

We had an offer for Hazard accepted. Hazard wanted to move to Chelsea and we did not want to pay over the odds on agent fees. We were able to offer Lille the amount they wanted but did not match the agent demands. Gilly

Gilly
if you remember lille said at the time they only recived 1 offer from a club
jred {Ed002's Note - Right - folks are confusing offers made in respect of the player's wages during discussions with his agent and offers made to Lille for his transfer. It really is not worthwhile explaining in detail.}

Syd
why would ozil not cost as much as that.
if hazard went for 34 and pastore 36 why would RM not want even more or at least the same
jred

02 Aug 2012 14:22:45
Anyone else watch the young Neil Taylor at the Olympics, Plays for Swansea and can play LB or RB, Only 22 and have seen him bomb down the flanks for Team GB, Would be worth a look at and would be much cheaper then Baines. What you guys think?
James

I think liverpool are after him and he wants to go there to.

02 Aug 2012 10:42:43
Hi Guys
Rumours on Twitter PSG are closing in on Lucas Moura.I'm not sure how reliable this is.

Bazza The red

It's on twitter... it's not reliable, the amount of times twitter has said Lucas Moura has signed for man utd is into double figures

fearny

02 Aug 2012 08:55:38
Just imagine a midfield trio of Lucas, Allen and Hendo in a few years..
(taken from Liverpool page if you didn't realize)

JK92

The Liverpool page is comedy gold my friend.

Sydney!

In all honesty i think Lucas is a good player that would probably challenge for a spot in our midfield, Allen is an okay player who isnt as good as cleverley and will not be as good but a europa league team would be good for him and Henderson is just rubbish

I'm imagining it now lol 12th in the league or thereabouts lol

Big Mac

Scary, imagine a midfield of cleverly, tunnicliffe and janauj in the next few years

Caolán.

Yes the ball would be flowing through them......................to the other side.

Supasub

To be fair in a few years time those lads could win Liverpool promotion back into the Prem. Lol.

Shappy

Allen is not better than cleverly???
Take ur tinted glasses off. allen is a much better player, cleverly is and will be a crock all his life. Just bcoz cleverly plays for u does not make him the better player.
Indian Buzzer

Buzzer he's a superior player to allen cleverly will turn out twice the player and when they retire and look back on their careers Allen will have the odd cup when cleverly has 6 or 7 titles and a few champions leauges

Caolán.

Cleverley isn't a crock... A crock is someone like Owen Hargreaves, Cleverley got a serious injury because of a bad challenge and we rushed him back to quick and made the injury worse... He isn't injury prone he has had one injury

fearny

02 Aug 2012 00:42:13
I just wanted to put something out there, if we had the option to buy back ronaldo for 80m or utilise these funds for other players what would you do? I am a huge ronaldo fan however think 80m could do alot more to benefit the squad.
I would buy:

Javi Martinez - 40m
Lucas Moura - 30m
leighton baines - 10m

this lineup would be amazing

-------------------De Gea-------------------
Rafael-----smalling------Vidic-------Baines
-----------scholes-------Martinez------------
---Toni/nani-------Kagawa-------Moura------
-------------------Rooney-------------------


I know this is not realistic but this is a team I believe would compete on all fronts.
our bench would be in good shape as well.

opinions? and bare in mind this is banter.....

Gustheredbus

I'd take Ronaldo back in a heartbeat.

To suggest that Martinez is worth half what Ronaldo is seems a little laughable to me and that Baines is worth even close to an eighth is just downright ridiculous!

Give me Munian, Martinez, M'Villa, Van Persie, Moura, Lewandowski and Baines in Ronaldo's place and then maybe we can talk...

T0MB0Z

Ronaldo everyday of the week I read a quote the other day that said he would like to return at some point if I can find the quote I'll post it.

Caolán.

TOMBOZ

You could argue that every players transfer fee is in no way comparable to anothers. Each transfer is equated by market value of the player from the selling club, what value the buying club are willing to go to and in the end the need for either of those clubs to comprimise.

You cant say oh Martinez cannot be worth the same as half a Ronaldo. He very much could be. Bilbao will want that and no doubt clubs wanting him will need to pay near it to get him so thats where his valuation comes from. We could say Baines is not a 10m pound player but why not? We signed unknown Bebe, Vida, Chicho, Tosic, for around 7 m each so from that you could then argue that for an established LB with England exp and a weapon in a good set piece that the team needs then yes he is definitely worth 10m to us IMO.

I for one would always put the team first. 80m on one player is pointless when there are so many other players needing replaced in more important areas for us.

Cabaye - 22m
Martinez - 35-40m
Baines - 13m

Top end thats 75m so if we could sell Nani and get Moura in for similar price that would be my ideal transfers for the good of the team.

-----------De Gea
Rafa---Smalls--Vida--Baines
------Martinez-Cabaye
Toni-------Kags------Moura
----------Rooney

Jono

Moura plays on the right.............

I would take Ronaldo every day:

____________DDG
Rafael_Smalling__Vidic__Evra
______Carrick____Cleverly
Valencia____Kagawa___Ronaldo
___________Rooney

RedDevil19

___________DDG
Rafael__Small___Vidic__Baines
_____Dembele__Cleverley
TonyV_____Kagawa_____Lucas
__________Rooney

I would be happy with this. The middle three can all keep the ball at their feet like they have honey on their laces. All are good passers of the ball and Dembele adds that bit of steel to the midfield. With Cleverley able to pick that crucial pass we have Kagawa, Moura, Valencia & Rooney to break and cause oppo defences problems. They will of course be backed up by fullbacks Rafael & Baines and we would have Cleverley and Dembele taking in turns getting forward from central midfield. Lets not forget Dembele has very good attacking ability as does Cleverley. We would have Scholes and Cleverley to rotate, Carrick and Dembele. Evra and Baines, Jones and Rafael, Smalling and Ferdinand, Evans & Vidic, Young can rotate with Valencia and Moura and We have Hernandez & Welbeck pushing Rooney. Rooney can rotate with Kagawa in the hole. It would be a good squad to challenge on all four fronts IMO. Plenty of fluidity, youth and experience.

Sydney!

Jono - You're right about valuation being different from person to person / club to club - and that is mine.

T0MB0Z

Not in my team he doesn't.

I also do not think SAF will be buying him for the right either, otherwise why give Toni V the number 7? Moura's game means he and Kags and even Rooney could always interchange and this would give us the added bonus of still keeping Toni as a constant outlet on the right. His crossing would always hit one of our men with Rooney through the centre, Kags pushing in and Moura round the back.

Good attacking options i think. Plus the system would also suit Welbeck maybe not Chicho as well but if he is used as an impact sub when trying to get a goal then we could pop 2 up top.

Jono

Stop putting right sided players on the left just to fit in valencia....

if the player you bring in is better (RONALDO) then val is not getting a look in full stop...

I would take this team

_____________DDG
Rafael__Hummels__Vidic__Baines
_______M'Villa____Carrick_____
Valencia_____Kagawa___Muniain
____________Rooney_________

George

As much as I love Ronaldo I wouldn't spend 80 million on him. I would sign Baines, M'Vila, Sahin (loan), Moura and RVP with that money. Of course you would have to sell players such as Anderson and Berbatov but you should be able to get those players within budget. Imagine a team of
__________De Gea__________
Rafael___Smalling__Vidic___Baines
________M'Vila____Sahin
Moura_____Rooney______Kagawa
___________RVP
Btw Kagawa has played out left for Dortmund and his national side and played well there but he wouldn't be stuck there. He would have the freedom to roam with Baines providing the width and he has an awesome cross (Baines) on him. The attack would have a tonne of goals in it and so much creativity and flair and the defence is solid with Vidic and a new left back. Midfield is secure with a hard hitting player who can play football along with a brilliant playmaker who isn't afraid to get stuck in. Would be an awesome team with unreal cover. You have the likes of Jones, Nani, Valencia, Young, Welbeck, Hernandez etc 
The Red Manc

Umm as much as I love Ronaldo I think you'd have to go for the better team option. With 80m i'd sign James Rodriguez, Axel Witsel and Emilio Izaguirre.

________________DDG
Rafa___Smalling__Vidic___Izzy
_______Cleverley__Witsel
Valencia___Kagawa___Rodriguez
____________Rooney

Shappy

I would love to have Ronaldo back, but we could improve many more positions with the money. I wouldgo for Martinez, Sahin, Muniain and Van Persie. That would a scary attack and a class central trio. Gilly

02 Aug 2012 00:21:29
G.A.G.U.S.

What's the sign up details for the sun dream team?

Cheers, JaZz

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G.A.G.U.S

It dont work

ross

01 Aug 2012 23:13:38
Anyone have an idea if we have lost complete interest in Wesley Sneijder since last season, had a poor season and could get a few million off his value.. On the other hand he was the only Dutch player to turn up for the Euro's.
Would love to see him in a united kit!
-Newton Heath

I'm not entirely sure there was ever any firm interest. If there was - I've heard nothing about a potential transfer this summer.

T0MB0Z

Really cannot understand how we are not interested in Sneijder when we are willing to spend huge money on Moura who is unproven at any level at the moment. We could get Sneijder on the cheap to as Milan want to sell and he wants to leave, his wages could be sorted too as if whats being reported that Van Persie wants the same as Rooney then Sneijder's wage demands can be met. I am starting to get worried about the lack of signings at the moment we need proven quality not players that take time to mature. The future is today not 2-3 years time plaus we need to keep up with City Chelsea who have and will sign quality.

Damian M

01 Aug 2012 23:20:02
in response to my post yesterday i simply meant that we should be greatful to an extent that OUR club is not like Pompey or Rangers. yes we have financial issues but these guys are/were struggling to keep their beloved clubs alive. we're a huge club with great tradition and history not to mention consistent challengers on all 4 fronts. IMO everyone (inc myself) takes our club for granted. yes, the glazers should be strung up from the nearest lamp post but we can do nothing about what they are doing. even boycotting will hurt the club more than the owners so lets do what we've failed to do recently and support OUR club. Have a nice week guys! p.s is it me or have the eds backed off with their views and opinions? The Moon. {Ed007's Note - I am not getting involved with the money stuff at Utd Moon, the Rangers debacle was as far as my accountancy skills went and I ever want them to go!! I am just getting the CFC site back to 90% football and then this lands in my lap....no thank you sir!!! :-)

01 Aug 2012 23:59:24
Law -transfer record, McQueen-transfer record, Robson-transfer record, Keane-transfer record, Cole-transfer record, Van Nistelrooy-transfer record, Veron- transfer record, Ferdinand- transfer record (July 2002).
United last broke the transfer record for a British club a decade ago. It would appear that SAF has been held back and is reluctant to speak out about how the Glazers have impacted on his ability to really compete in the market for the 'big' players. He has broken the transfer record 5 times but now trots out the usual 'no value in the market' quote. my question is- has SAF really sold out and aligned himself to the owners and for once in his life settled for second best?

So who do you think we should sign for more than 50m just so we can break the current transfer record? Or do you like Sir Alex feel that 50m for a player is just too much.

I can think of five EPL transfers off the top of my head that have topped our biggest transfer fee (Berbatov).

Hazard chose Chelsea over us despite us offering the same amount and the other four were Shevchenko, Torres, Andy Carrol and Robinho. How exactly did they turn out again?

T0MB0Z

To the person who said just like Sir Alex thinks 50m is too much for a player. SAF had no problem asking and accepting a world record 80m for Ronaldo.

The OP has a point which has been made many times and by me. But it's not about 50m it's about the right quality and we haven't bought that quality in years and despite all the links have not yet done. Kagawa is a decent player and we hope he adapts to the prem I think he will but where is what we need?

Red Man

TOMBOZ

I notice you didn't include Aguero at City especially as his quality won City the league over us last season

Red Man

If somebody was willing to offer £80 million for Ronaldo how is that Fergie's fault? Lots of people on here seem to suggest its his fault for the market getting bigger and Red Man's post would suggest he thinks we should have rejected the Madrid offer on principle that it was too high?

GDS

Red Man. I completely forgot Aguero. Even so - 1 in 5 (as hazard has not proven himself) or even 1 in 6 (as Berbatov has not been as successful as we might have hoped) are not nice odds and suggest that perhaps whilst there is some value in the market it's very hard to come by...

T0MB0Z

Gds

No actually If I recall correctly SAF has said Madrid got a bargain at £80m.

The point is that SAF was happy to sell at a big price but when it comes to paying there is no value. We were happy to take £80m but now baulk at even £35m for the best players. If Neymar becomes available we would probably on that basis offer £35m and claim we tried.
It is double standards to expect others to pay massive fees for our players but not even consider half of that on top players available now

Aguero was a top player was he not value? Martinez is a top player, and what about Neymar? As soon as we have to pay over £30m noone seems to have values

Red Man

People are pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of making statments like, City have inflated the market, and Hazard cost silly money, while at the same time arguing that the biggest transfer of all time was a bargain.

The Ronaldo transfer has set the benchmark for what players can potentially cost, and as such, it is part of what has inflated the market. Players are worth as much as a club can get for them. We demanded as much as we could get for our star player, you can't turn around and get pissy just because other clubs are doing the exact same thing.

Danny Pughnited

Got to remember that fergie is employed by the american rats, so he is not going to bad mouth them, of course he will stand by them. Despite any other feelings he may or may not have.

Cban

01 Aug 2012 23:43:21
Pardoe

I am not bitter, I am simply angry and dissappointed with the Glazers. Just when we all thought they might wipe out the debt with the flotation, they have lied again and lined their own pockets. Surely you can see why I'm pissed.

G.A.G.U.S

So is everybody else - but complaining about it isn't going to do any good.

T0MB0Z

TOMBOZ

Thats the point of this site.

Flimbo