Manchester United Banter Archive December 02 2019

02 Dec 2019 19:21:04
Eds what do you think of Laurent Blanc as a coach? Why hasn't he been able to land a job?

{Ed002's Note - Laurent will decide on taking a job when a suitable offer comes along. As has been explained, he would have been a good choice for Manchester United.}

02 Dec 2019 19:47:44
Is there any possibility that United might approach him?

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United has a coach already.}

02 Dec 2019 20:17:56
Should a vacancy arise?

{Ed002's Note - I suspect that it may be something lost to the wind and MU will look to others instead - they likely missed the boat on LB.}

03 Dec 2019 10:02:46
I wanted Blanc years ago. He knows the club and the league and can keep egos in check. Should have got him in after Moyes imo.

03 Dec 2019 11:15:36
Cheers Ed002. That's a shame, I think he is a great fit.

02 Dec 2019 14:01:31
I know Ed002 has mentioned this in the past. Would anyone take Laurent Blanc over Poch?

02 Dec 2019 14:30:09
I'd take anyone with an ounce of tactical nouse.

02 Dec 2019 15:20:33
I think right now is about getting to the end of the season for the board.

02 Dec 2019 15:28:11
i would be surprised if no one tries to get brendan rodgers apparently he mentioned yesterday he has an exit clause in his leicester contract.

02 Dec 2019 15:30:46
Personally I’d go for fish face Rodgers over Poch. I know most wouldn’t because of his time with the mickeys.

02 Dec 2019 18:29:11
The club are sticking with ole lads unless things get drastically worse they will stand by him until the summer. Unfortunately i can see things getting worse.

02 Dec 2019 23:34:04
For me, Rodgers will be the best fit. He knows the league and the status of our club, and he's an excellent coach.

02 Dec 2019 13:03:53
Ed 001, Shappy and the rest who were interested in a recent post about an outrageous youth team score line in italy. I just came across one in Holland where Ajax Under-12s took it to another level with 50-1 win over MVV on Saturday. They though kept their manager.

{Ed001's Note - that is ludicrous.}

02 Dec 2019 20:05:55
It's ridiculous and damaging to the young players careers.

Seriously they are supposed to be learning. What more can they learn from being 10-0? Every goal after that point is about humiliating children playing on the other side. Nothing to be gained, but so much that could be destroyed.

Having coached kids football I wouldn't have let any of the sides I coached do that. Had we got to a point where it was clear we were so far ahead of them it was just going to be a humiliation. I would have shook the other coaches hand and called an end to the game. If that wasn't possible I would have told my lads to play keep ball and would have offered them rewards for the most number of passes with reprimands for more goals scored. Something like extra minutes of free practice for passes, while extra running for goals scored.

You don't humiliate kids, that's just not sporting.

02 Dec 2019 23:37:17
You mean like all other teams are doing to United Shappy? 😃.

02 Dec 2019 12:41:09
Ole needs to look at his in game management and work on improving himself in that area.

The lineup is one thing but some tactical decisions are where the team are struggling.

When scoring goals the squad should have a system to close off and make it difficult for the opposition at the restart. The last 2 games after we have scored we have been wide open and conceded.

I am not sure he has found himself as a manager yet in regards to what he exactly wants from the team and his own staff.

The decision in the Sheffield game to take martial and try to close game out and go back to 5 was Carricks.

The substitutions in the villa game apart from William's they where Mr Phelan.

Ole needs to be more selfish and take the advice but upset a few and stick to what he thinks, there is to much input into the team from his staff and not enough from him.

This info has came from someone close to the club and the feel is he has the backing from above, but it feels like a certain Mr Ferguson is having a say on how he should run things.

02 Dec 2019 13:29:05
So Ole is just a rubber stamp even in the dugout. Wonder what the players think of that. Yes Man. Big V by giving out this info you have just given more ammo to demean Ole.

02 Dec 2019 12:07:36
Just a nice wee bit of news, amongst all the angst at the moment.

Heard today that Mickey Thomas was given the all-clear in his fight against cancer. While he'll not ever be considered amongst the ranks of the true greats at Utd, he gave a very young Stevie his first ever autograph, back in the days when the players would stroll out of OT and chat with waiting fans, rather than kept out of sight. Absolute gents, him and Jimmy Greenhoff as they chatted with me and my dad.

He replaced my first hero, Gordon Hill, and became my new favourite after that meeting. Really glad to hear the news this morning, and hope he enjoys his new lease of life.

02 Dec 2019 12:15:34
Fantastic news. Thanks for sharing Stevie.

02 Dec 2019 23:40:45
That is fantastic news for Micky and all his family. Thanks for the update Nou.

02 Dec 2019 09:42:09
Hey Ed002, are you aware of any changes in Ole's position at United?

Results really aren't going his way, football is fairly dire and the fans are beginning to turn. Are the club still backing him or is he on his last life?

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

02 Dec 2019 10:34:27
Ah sorry, didn't scroll down enough on the banter page. Cheers Ed.

02 Dec 2019 04:55:32
Liverpool under Klopp:
6th- 2014-15
8th- 2015-16
6th- 2016-17
4th- 2017-18
2nd- 2018-19

Things sometimes take time to get better, Ole might not be the best manager out there but give him time. What else is he supposed to do with the squad he has?
Sacking would be the worst thing that could happen to Man Utd right now, Ole should be given a fair shot unlike his predecessors. Let him get a few players in next two windows and then we judge him. Its not like we hire a new manager right now and he wins us the league next year.
Patience will be a key factor among the fans and players alike.

{Ed047's Note - why are you even comparing OGS to Klopp, you might as was well compare Fred to Messi. 🤷‍♂️

02 Dec 2019 06:41:30
Becks

To give some balance when you post a pro OGS like that. OGS relegated Cardiff, is sending us in the same direction and that is the only direction he has given us. Ole should not have been appointed permanently with no relevant experience and the situation needs to be rectified. The powers at United need to decisive to save the club, he should be gone this morning but I suspect they will keep dithering until they panic and the free fall is such that we will need an Allardyce to avoid the drop.

02 Dec 2019 06:43:48
Liverpool were managed by rodgers in 14-15 not klopp. Also he never finished 6th.

Liverpool under klopp
8th- 2015-16
4th- 2016-17
4th- 2017-18
2nd- 2018-19

Also its really interesting how trying to make the it requires time point all ole fans conveniently ignore the fact that the first season klopp took charge he got them to the europa league finals, he's made it to eurpoean competition finals in 3 of the 4 seasons, the only time he couldn't was because they weren't in one.

So may be it doesn't take so much time does it?

02 Dec 2019 06:59:20
Until the structure is fixed, every manager will be bound to fail.

Yes the squad is weak. But the poor results will drain out the confidence in players as well as the belief in fans.

Although we want OGS to succeed, ultimately the results will have the final say.

02 Dec 2019 07:13:19
A lot of games under Klopp, Liverpool were getting close to winning cups and were losing finals.

02 Dec 2019 07:15:29
Thanks Becks. This made my day. Its always good to have a good laugh early in the morning.

Ed047, its more like Andreas Perreira to Messi. But going by Becks viewpoint, i am sure Messi is OGS and Perreira is Klopp 😂😂😂😂.

02 Dec 2019 07:32:51
Spot on ed047. I think everyone could see what klopp was trying to do, and liverpool reached the Cl finals during those years and finished in top 4. The club also out a structure in place, which allowed Klopp to achieve his goals. Klopp had done a very similar thing in a top league with BD.
When klopp came to liverpool, you could see that he was trying to play a pressing game and the club went out and bought the players to git the system.
Ogs has been here for a year, he bought £130m worth of defenders, and yet, our defence still looks shambolic. Also, defence is about the team as a whole, and ours seem at 6s and7s whenever we go in front or at set pieces. These are tactical processes that the manager and coaches should have sorted by now. Why is our team still playing at half tempo?
Keep Ogs and delay the inevitable. Ogs is learning the job he's still an apprentice, he shouldn't be plunged into the United job at such an early stage of his managerial career.
Finally, I don't buy into this squad is not good enough. Our midfield is lacking, I agree, but we showed against Chelsea, leicester and liverpool that we can compete against the big teams, but we seem to lack heart and dare I say a work ethic, which is the responsibility of a good manager to instill in his team.

02 Dec 2019 08:45:27
At last someone got klopps stats right at last, and to put another urban myth to bed about his spending. his time as liverpool manager has liverpool with a nett spend of just over 62 million in 8 or so transfer windows. under oles Uniteds nett spend on transfers stands at 70 million after one window. hard to compare that as well seen as it's a stick some people try to beat him with as well. ole hasn't spent as much as klopp, he hasn't he's spent more.

02 Dec 2019 09:27:02
Can’t see any manager - eve SAF - getting results from midfield of Fred and Perriera, so no point sacking OGS at moment (unless to secure Poch before someone else gets him? )

Let’s see how results go after McT and Pogba return.

If OGS is still seen as a rabbit caught in headlights after that, then change managers.

Need two midfielders in Jan. Can see us getting Can and Vidal on loan.

02 Dec 2019 09:54:29
That’s a top post AAA. I completely agree on the squad not being as bad as some think. Can’t believe Ole is being compared to Klopp. Klopp was one of the most sought after managers in Europe when he left Dortmund, quite rightly with an impressive and proven record at Dortmund.

02 Dec 2019 10:35:03
Becks that's a load of bolloxology.
Ole is our worst manager for 40 years.
There are any number of managers who could do better with this squad including big sam and tony pulis. In fact neil warnock would get mite out of this squad than ole is doing.
Rubbish football manager.

02 Dec 2019 12:42:12
Not having a go Wallace, but as IBEM put nicely SAF played Darren Gibson, O'shea, Fábio and Rafael in cm and we won.  

OGS'not getting the best out of a squad that he's 'happy' with at the moment. So why would he want new midfielders and why should he be allowed to bring new midfielders in if our current midfielders are supposedly good enough?

02 Dec 2019 13:44:00
Thanks Park. It's not just having a go at OGS. But unfortunately, he does look out of his depth. If the team is not fired up, then that's a manager's job.
Are Leicester's GK, dedenceor attack better than ours? Definitely not. Do Leicester really possess a vastly superior midfield to ours when mctominay and pogba are playing? I definitely don't think so. So why are they 14 points ahead of us? It is a damning verdict when pundits are saying the team is not trying hard enough.