Manchester United Banter Archive January 02 2013

02 Jan 2013 23:43:26
Re: Fellaini to united
I like watching Fellaini play for Everton . Got him in my dream team.
As for coming to united SAF wouldn't sign him even if his brain was removed. Long ball no thanks - but best wishes to the lad.
Ya gotta have the full package to warrant a pass to old Trafford. Someone scores a few goals and suddenly he's a world beater . C'mon rumour monkeys when ya thinking of making fake rumours you think are good ideas. Watch some old games of the law man, georgie, sparky, eric, ruud, ronny, rooney, rvp, and remember what it takes to wear that shirt .
SHANDY !

I watched him very closely last night and watched how he collects the ball in midfield and distributes it. For me he is very sluggish at this and I feel the manager wants a quicker distributor. Carrick does his job well but this is one of his flaws too. Fellaini also have no technical ability, very cumbersome type of player and very slow. Not what we need. If we had his strength and aggression coupled with Modric's quick distribution he would be perfect. I think this is why we went for Witsel.

Sydney!

Hmmm, there's been a few stinkers tho to b fair too... Djemba, Kleb...etc.

Patzi

02 Jan 2013 23:17:41
Right Ladies and gents, I have a job application pending at united.
Fingers crossed :)

Dan

I hope its the assistant managers job.

Shappy

What will you be doing?

-JakeW

You must be desperate , dan..............lfc

Best of luck! Keep us updated.

Mick

02 Jan 2013 23:11:34
United interested in zaha. What does everyone think?

I think your about 2 months late!
U.T.I.D

02 Jan 2013 23:03:38
i hope we do not have a january like last year on these pages, the name sneijder must get mentioned about a million times , so let me say it, hes not coming to utd .
ps, hes on his way to the real reds, yes-liverpool..............lfc

Lfc you beat Sunderland and now you can attract the world stars! You just but an over-rated peice of garbage for 12 million that could have but you 2 chicharitos.

Caolán.

Of course he is lfc.

I'd imagine his weekly wage would be enough to buy Liverpool several times over.

Did Liverpool win tonight? only asking because strangely enough the only time we see you is when you're winning (so once or twice a year).

The Moon.

Lfc...my house is worth more than your entire team...

Wesley Sneijder

02 Jan 2013 23:44:25
you can have him he's over rated so will fit in with stevie me, lord voldemort, the middlesbrough messi, the fake brazilian and rat boy. He's just a dutch charlie adam.

They would have to scrape all the cash they needed to pay his wages, wish you the best of luck having a money bag on your team..

-JakeW

Is that the real 21 points off the lead at halfway reds? LOL

The only reason they attracted Sahin and Sturridge was because they paid out significant amounts in signing-on fees.

Sydney!

02 Jan 2013 22:12:26
During the Chelsea QPR match, QPR fans were singing : " can we play you every week ". That's what I call quality fans !

Mick

Do you normally have your football games muted?

JK92

I was watching a rival's game, they were made fun of by their opponents, it gave me a laugh, I thought id share.

Feel free to skip next time.

Mick

02 Jan 2013 21:40:22
That my friends is why you don't take any game in this league for granted. Chelski thought they would just walk over QPR with out any resistance. Thats why I love this league.

At home too! SWP!

Patzi

02 Jan 2013 20:59:47
Sign Baines up. Need I say more. What a goal.

Nozzla

I agree that we should sign him but to sign him just because he scored a good goal is going a bit far.

You don't get the post. That is the tip of the ice berg. He's been brilliant for a few years now and this year he's been exceptional. The goal was just added class. Wish we'd got him in the summer.

Nozzla

Hmmm, I'd say more due to his consistency over the past few years has developed into him into one of the best left backs in the league, if not the best.

Patzi

02 Jan 2013 19:25:37
Where has this Fellaini talk come from? Can't find it anywhere on the tinternet...

Fresh!

Cos it's BS lol

Patzi

02 Jan 2013 18:18:02
I was having a disscussion at work today, who do people think is the best striker/winger out of Victor Moses, Daniel Struridge or Danny Welbeck?

Shappy {Ed004's Note - So far this year I would say Moses as a winger and Welbeck as a striker}

Moses for me
jred

Yeh Moses right now, but Sturridge will have plenty of chance to prove himself and improve at Liverpool. So that could change

Gav

Good signing for Liverpool IMHO

Patzi

Welbeck played as a striker at United with a run of games would be much better than we are seeing now. All strikers need a run in the team and if Welbeck stayed central and didn't do too much drifting he would be far more prolific. He may not get the chance with RvP here and if Lewandowski is signed I think he would be favourite to go if Rooney signs a new deal.

Sydney!

Welbeck will never be a first choice striker for a team like united
jred

Jred, that's the problem, he needs to learn his trade before he can be a squad player. Maybe a season long loan or a permanent move to another EPL club will be best for him. He needs to be learning his trade right now. I think Welbeck as a 25 year old will be a top player, but unless he learns he will not get there.

Sydney!

Welbeck's problem is he's something between a winger and striker. His composure and finishing aren't there yet for a striker but he doesn't have the killer cross of a good winger. He's a decent squad player and still may improve but doubt he'll become a regular for us ever. The 2 best things about Welbeck are 1) his versitility and 2) he won't mind being a squad player for a few years.

Gav

Syd
i disagree
to be a first choice striker for team like unite you are talking RVP ROONEY RVN Higuain BENZEMA etc
welbeck for me will never make that level
good player but not united, munich , madrid standard
jred

Syd
like 007 said last year would you sign welbeck if he played for an other club

i dont think there is a lot between welbeck and sturiridge and i wouldnt sign strurridge
jred

02 Jan 2013 17:47:23
I would also like to add on the Petrucci debate... I see everyone is saying why is he not been given a chance, why isn't he not getting a loan.

If you all remembered he was injured for 18 months and we saw how difficult it was for vidic to return. But for a young player still developing physically it was really difficult and took him two attempts to get back.

Fergie and the rest of the staff have stated in the past what a fabulous player he is but how he was a year or two behind in the development compared to the rest of the reserves. My input would be I suspect he will be tested on the tour again in the summer before a championship/premiership loan deal. I think he will do what Cleverley has done and break in to the team at 22/23 and become a very useful player for the squad. Dubbed the "Next Totti"

RedKnight

In 2 seasons time he will replace a 33yr old Carrick.

Petrucci has been playing in that sitting position for the u21's. He picks the ball up from the back & starts the attacks. He's good in the tackle aswel.
Only flaw is his pace.

TJ

Carrick isn't exactly rapid...

02 Jan 2013 17:34:28
Not Fellani please....dear god no...apparently we are in discussions with Everton....
Pedroknight

I wouldnt be against it but I am not overly happy if it happened for the money mentioned.. You can get Strootman etc for much less... Also where will he be played centre mid?

This rumour is cropping up a fair bit today, where is it coming from?

Luke

It could be down to the fact he has bought a house and moved to manchester
jred

I'll tell you where it's coming from.
A very good agent that has Felliani on his books. He either wants more money or champions league games & he is actually pushing for a move.

TJ

Can we have a genuine link, 1 of stature if poss...?

Patzi

02 Jan 2013 16:33:45
I see a little further down that someone has said SAF see's Giggs and Scholes as he did 10 years ago and I understand that a few people get frustrated that these two are still involved in the playing side but I get the impression that some people still think that SAF see's these two as the mainstay of the team but when you look at this season I think this is far from it.

Out of the 21 League games this season, Giggs has started 6 games and made 5 sub apperances and Scholes has started 7 and made 7 sub apperances. However the big thing for me is this, arguebly the 3 biggest games we have had so far this season, Arsenal at Home, City and Chelsea away, neither of these 2 started and only Giggs came on as a sub in the game away to Chelsea, once Chelsea were down to 9 men.

I think this shows that SAF trusts the younger players and these 2 are purely involved as experienced heads and what they offer in the changing room and on the training ground.

They have both been involved over this Christmas period but this is SAF using the squad he has available to him to allow players a rest and also using the players available to him who are fit. Could the Boss give youngsters a go? Perhaps but he very rarely get's the management wrong with young players, you heard him say that Liverpool ruined Owen and even Owen admitted this as he burnt out through overplaying at a young age and I think the Boss is concious of this with young players.

Anyway, I think sometimes people should try looking at the bigger picture rather than what's happend that weekend, in a season teams could play 60+ games and the boss needs to utilise the whole squad, balancing youth and experience.

Ports

I don't mind them playing, but when they both start together is when i start to get annoyed.

-JakeW

On one hand you have 2 players, 2 legends who have shown loyalty and have been pillars of our success and deserve to retire whenever they want, but at the same time, when I see Giggs on the bench, I feel its quite a shame because players like Powell would benefit much more from it.

Mick

Finally some sense and balance on the Scholes/Giggs situation.

StevieK

02 Jan 2013 15:49:21
Do people think there is a problem with Rooney and the manager? Or genuinely injured? Staying in the summer? People's thoughts?Ddd

Injured for me , rooney and fergy are both saying the same thing i cant see any sign of a fall out
also it would be strange if the most high profile manager in england and the most high profile player in england at the most high profile club in england had a falling out resulting with rooney being dropped there wouldnt be a single report in any paper.
staying in the summer -----i would think so but only time will tell
jred

As much as I love Rooney and think he has been the stand out player for us over the last few years I unfortunately think it is time to part ways... He looks unfit and disinterested.. He has lost that explosiveness he had when he took players on, lost his shooting boots and for some strange reason now think dummying and flicks are the only thing to do on a pitch.... I would much rather sell Rooney fir the £50+million we could get and try and invest it in to Lewandowski to play him in front of RVP and then get someone of Rodriguez's ilk with maybe Baines, Zouma and Zaha

Lol , rooney has lost his explosiveness, his shoting boots and thinks dummying flicks are the only thing to do on the pitch.
so hes that bad we should let him go for as little as 50 mill
jred

Jred you cant tell me that Rooney has been on fire with his shots this season either scuffing most or skying them.... He has lost that explosiveness to get by players that he had a few seasons ago and he constantly loses the ball from trying to be to clever.. It is only this season it has all happened so therefore I see a sale on the cards this summer..

Please God, not another Rooney debate!

AJH

No name
i dont think he has played that well so far this season, but he has had 3 injuries which have disrupted his season and i feel rooney plays better with a run of games , i think fergy has said the same.
before his last injury he had scored 5 goals in 4 games.
has rooney lost a yard of pace, maybe but his still quick and also i dont think rooneys best assist was his burst of pace , for me it was always his ability to score and run a game
when rooney plays well the whole team plays well.
for me rooney is one of our best players so rather than sell him i would rather buy players to play with him i also think a partnership of him and RVP could be very good.
it always makes me laugh when people say his finished lost his pace etc and then add we should SELL HIM FOR 50 mill.
i dont understand why any united fan would want to sell one of our best players.
i also dont understand how any football fan cant look at rooney/rvp and think this could be special
jred

I agree with jred's views on Rooney, although I do think the club will have a big decision to make in the summer. Just because of the timing of his contract

Gav

Gav
united need to make a decision in the summer but rooney seems happy at united and i dont think fergy will sell one of his best players.
last year everyone was talking about world-class players and our lack of them trying to compare us to madrid and barce and then we sign rvp and the same people want to sell rooney.

rooney rvp would scare any team in europe i believe it could be the best strike partnership in europe add a top class CM and we might actually start closing the gap on barce.

jred

The only way Ronaldo will come to united, would be if we swapped his salary for Rooneys (IMO), we are not City or Chelski. We are a well run business.
But it's never going to happen anyway. Agents and tabloids looking for money by creating 'possibilities'...

Patzi

I'm not touching this debate with a bargepole.

StevieK

Theres no denying that if Rooney gets back to even 90% his best form the RVP & Rooney partnership could be very, very special. Even by United standards. As I'm generally an optimist I will hope he regains his form, signs a new deal and forms a deadly duo with the Dutch one.

Gav

Also, with his already large salary is there much chance he'd want much of an improvement? It's already a top wage. If we could re-sign him on similar terms it would be a no brainer IMO. Even at a small increase it would make sense as it means we'd be protecting our asset, guaranteeing full price if we did ever decide to sell. If we can add to CM, LB, LAM in the summer then I'm confident we'd see Rooney & RVP as a class act next season.

Gav

02 Jan 2013 14:58:11
So, people keep telling me that SAF has said he'll gone after 2015...

What do people think about this?

Personally I'm on the fence about it, don't get me wrong SAF is one of if not the greatest manager of all time and the longer we have him the better.

But, the chances of Pep or Mourinho being available 2 years from now are pretty slim. Also we're going to still see Phelan in the dugout, youth not getting played and players like Evra, Giggs and Ferdinand given 50 year contract extensions.

Personally, I believe that the job is going to a manager who still needs to gain experience at the top, whether its someone completely new like OGS or somebody who just needs to step up like Moyes...

I also think it's really weird that SAF has apparently set a public year for retirement, hm...

So, come on guys your thoughts on the story and opinions for the next manager

The Moon.

The manager will likely leave in the summer or next summer. He will not tell the players or fans when he is going to leave, he will just retire. My money is on this summer with Pep replacing him.

Sydney!

I'm unsure if it's good or bad.

positives:
great manager who knows how to control big situations.

negatives:
-phelan, what does he actually do?
i would like to see an experienced european coach come in and be our number 2, like carols Q

-giggs and scholes, fergie still sees them as he did 10 years ago.

I hope he stays for atleast 2014

I think Pep will replace him, we have started to play possession football more and maybe the players are being prepared for what Pep will do with the club?

-JakeW

I agree with syd , he will either go this summer or next
jred

Next summer and neither pep will take the AC milan Job this summer. mourinho back at chelsea or city this summer and moyes our next manager.

Shahram

02 Jan 2013 14:41:40
Liverpool pay £12m for Sturridge and Chelsea buy Demba Ba for £7m. I wonder who got the best deal there then ;)

Sydney!

Time will tell Disney!

Puzzled

I think sturridge is a good young player.
don't see why people hate on him on here.

JK92

JK, hate is a strong word. He is a frustrating player who more than often makes the wrong decision. He is a very greedy player, but if he can overcome these flaws he could be a very good player. Perhaps Liverpool is the right level for him.

Sydney!

He just needs regular playing time and the right manager.
it's a good bit of business for liverpool IMO.

JK92

Disney - you can be a bitch

Puzzled

£12m is a lot of money for potential, especially with Liverpool's lack of funds. He could be a hit with the fans or quickly become a hated figure with his poor decision making and selfishness. He is like Nani, but nowhere near as good.

Sydney!

His a good young player at 12 mil liverpool have got a decent young player.
i wouldnt have him at united but his probably better than welbeck
jred

Jred - I wouldnt say he was as good as Welbeck overall but he is more of a natural goalscorer where as Welbeck is much better as a target man type forward and general play.

£12m considering he was out of contract in 2014, no other interest in him and still only potential at 23 after five years in the EPL is pretty high IMO. That doesn't include other costs of course. For a club with limited cash it is a gamble. Different type of player than Welbeck, probably similar in price range though. I think Welbeck would raise £15m with a longer contract.

Sydney!

02 Jan 2013 14:03:42
Sir Alex Ferguson will make a bid for Hummels from Dortmund and also try to sign akinveev.

Ohh Akinfeev has turned into a CB now.......didnt know that.

MUMBAI_BOY

02 Jan 2013 13:29:05
We'll make a few changes for the cup tie, " the manager told MUTV. "Obviously, the likes of Evra and Carrick – who I took off in the second half as soon as we got the third goal – probably deserve a break.

So no Evra and Carrick for West Ham game.... Butters in at LB.

Anyone know how far Anderson is from coming back??

Oxred

02 Jan 2013 12:47:30
What do you think the future holds for our young stars?

1) VAN VELZEN: has come back from Royal Antwerp.
Will he get a loan in England now Div.1, Championship maybe? Or has he just been recalled to play upfront for the u21's. With W.Keane injured, Cofie, King, Bebe & Henriquez on loan.

2) MACHEDA: his agent has confirmed teams from Turkey, Germany & Spain have inquired about his services on loan.
I believe a fee will be sorted in the loan deal. My view is we won't see Macheda again.

3) KING, COFIE, BROWN & BEBE: like Macheda will be OR are loaned already with a fee set for a potential move away.
My view is all these will be off the books come august 2013.

4) BRADY: doing well in his 2nd spell at Hull. Should he be tested with a Premiership loan from January? My view is
that Hull will bid & we'll except the offer.

5) LINGARD: coming back from Leicester City possible to play with the u21's to regain confidence & form. My view is he will stay & be a vital player with Cole & Tunnicliffe in the next elite stage of the u21's competition.

6) M. KEANE & POWELL: hopefully these two can show what quality players they can turn out to be. M. Keane has already had rave reviews from Foxes fans & the Leicester City coaches. Let's hope Powell can set the Championship on fire with top class performances. My View is they'll both play very well & get Leicester City promotion. One or even both may stay to get first team Premier experience next season.

7) PETRUCCI: to good for u21's and never had a loan move.
Powell, Cole, Lingard & Tunnicliffe have either played minutes with the first team this season or been named on the bench. Petrucci never seems to get a mention. My view is he will be disheartened by the lack of trust in him. Teams have shown interest in his services before last summer. I think he will move to Italy if he's not given an Oppertunity on loan or bench time.

TJ

Hull and Leicester will keep paying us to loan our players and we will keep sending them on loan. Personally I think Powell & Brady could play EPL football. Shelvey & Sterling can. Henriquez is in the EPL.

Lingard & Keane should stay in the Championship, perhaps Cole & Tunnicliffe should join them. Petrucci needs a EPL move too. Not fussed about the rest of them as they are very unlikely to make the grade at United.


Sydney!

Syd

I agree with your assessment on all those players. I would also put blackett to a decent playin champ team and same with Vermijl.

Jono

Jono, I agree. Vermijl is definitely ready for a loan to the Championship and Blackett could already play regularly at Championship level. Perhaps a lower Championship side.

Sydney!

02 Jan 2013 12:15:47
Josh King to Blackburn on a permanent basis?

Hoppy

02 Jan 2013 11:45:41
United have called back wide man van valzen from his loan at Antwerp after his impressive performances for them. Hope he gets a chance in the first team with our wingers not being in good form.

baba octopus

He isn't ready for the first team yet. He will join the U21's whilst a few of the older lads are offloaded.

Sydney!

Macheda will be loaned
Henriquez, Cofie, Bebe loaned
King sold
W.Keane injured

Van Velzen surely has been called back to play up top for the u21's.

We've got Lawrence, Buyrne & Wilson but they are all just getting used to u18 football.

We might struggle to score goals in the elite u21's competition now.

TJ

TJ, not sure Kiko will get many takers so he could stay until the summer and play for the U21's. Lawrence will play more for the U21's and VV will either stay or go out on loan elsewhere. He wasn't called back, his loan deal has ended at Antwerp. Lingard may stay in the U21's and then there is Wilson who we will try and advance. Then Will Keane will return sometime before May. I think there is room for another forward, but we may need to move Kiko on first. What do you think?

Sydney!

I've got to admit when Kiko struck against Villa then Sunderland I thought wow. We got a great player here.
Then 2 rubbish loans later & constantly played either on the left wing or upfront on his own he's struggled. It's a real shame for the lad.

TJ

02 Jan 2013 11:08:23
Modric voted worst signing of the season by spanish supporters. Sign him up Fergie.

02 Jan 2013 09:45:02
I will admit that this season i've been very critical of Giggs performance, but I did always think that he was being played badly by Sir Alex. He is not a central midfielder, he doesn't have that range of passes to be a central midfielder.

Now if you notice his performances against Swansea, Newcastle and Wigan were all magnificent and the reason is simple. He was played on the left wing, he was allowed to drift about the pitch giving him more space and time than he would do if he started off in centre midfield

Keep it up Giggsy and you will be a major asset going for this 20th title

RedKnight

Magnificent is not the word I would use. Satisfactory at best. Better than he has been playing in centre midfield but still nowhere near the standard required to win the champions league or even the league against the top teams.

GDS

Agree with GDS. So long as we don't see him in CM again though I'd be relatively satisfied.

Gav

Van Persie has been magnificent, Carrick has been magnficent. Giggs? I hardly think so. even though he does a good job against lesser teams, I would prefer to see him in cup games bringing experience to a team full of youngsters.

Mick

02 Jan 2013 05:56:41
I believe Lewandowski is a fantastic player who's still getting better, but where does he fit in? RVP, Rooney, Chicharito and Wellbeck are not going anywhere anytime soon. So while I love the potential of buying Lewandowski, shouldn't we be focusing on one of his teammates, Goetze or Hummels possibly...-KG

I guess you answered your own question if lewy comes in, someone is getting sold for sure. Take you pick, Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez.

Shahram

02 Jan 2013 06:38:26
Real Madrid's Fabio Coentrao is reportedly eyeing a move to Chelsea . he is a left back why noy sign him as evra's replacement

sid

Done!

Sir Alex Ferguson

Thanks for a (good) morning laugh!

Steffen

Hey gaffer I don't mind playing till im 38 though! Saving you cash.

-Evra

Since I see Evra's not so good defensively for the past 18 months... Am coming out of retirement

Dennis Irwin

Here we go again....

Malcolm Glazer

Remember me? Im available.

Mikael silvestre

I think I'll just play giggsy at left back.
I reckon he will last another 50 years in that position.

Sir Alex Ferguson

02 Jan 2013 05:45:58
Well I have missed both our last 2 games but delighted with the results and from reading the posts we played well.

Reading the news that Aguero is out with a hamstring injury and YAYA Toure is off for ACN, City's title challenge might crumble over the next few weeks as i expect them to drop points. If we can keep piling up points, Chelsea now seem to be the other team who has found some form and coming back to win at Everton is a big result.

Looking at our fixtures, I think the Liverpool at home and Spurs away games are going to be key games for us and a couple of wins in those games might kill the chasing pack's moral and ambition and open up a gap that would be insurmountable.

Shahram

Aguero is on my dreamteam so may change him, for the amount he costs I'd expect a better goals ratio. Koscielny & Jenkinson must go too.

I agree that this is a testing month for Mancini, we may start to see him making up excuses for his future failure. Lets not forget that last season WE had major injury concerns and still managed the same points as they did.

Sydney!

Sydney

I have always said city is all about Silva, Aguero and Toure with 2 out they will struggle and expect them to drop quite a few points, same thing happened last year.

I also posted this a few weeks ago, Mancini will be gone at the end of this season.

Shahram

City will not be as strong as they usually are without the mentioned players, however they could still get the points if they win ugly. I think Chelsea and Arsenal will take points off of them, but they have the players to win ugly (Barry, Milner, Zabaleta). I think Mancini will be gone too whether they win the league or not.

Sydney!