Manchester United Banter Archive January 02 2020

02 Jan 2020 21:14:26
Jesus, we lost a game, didn’t play well, but the wringing of hands and emotional outbursts today have been stunning.

We know we are inconsistent, we know we have ups and downs, we know we need to strengthen. So why, after every loss, do the usual suspects line up to tell us Ole should be sacked, along with hyperbole and stamping of feet?

I’m not sure anyone thinks Ole is the long term answer, but simply changing Manager is unlikely to bring instant success (as we have already seen) . The age of the team and squad is being reduced, overpaid players who aren’t committed are being released (please God Pogba leaves soon) . We are looking to strengthen and if we buy well then hopefully we will continue to progress.

We will win some more, and we will have some poor performances but knees jerking all over the place don’t help. We are 5th, any semblance of consistency will move us into the top 4. We’ve looked strong against the bigger teams which is encouraging, we need to be more clinical and add some quality.

I took a break From here recently due to the obsessive negativity but every time we lose a game it’s out in full force.

02 Jan 2020 21:39:57
Great post Tony 👍.

02 Jan 2020 21:41:13
AJH

So you acknowledge Ole is not the long term answer but we should keep him in place because getting a new manager won’t bring instant success. Flawed logic.

We should have someone in place who knows the direction, can set a direction, can set a pattern of play. I think most know there won’t be instant success but I don’t hold the opinion that meandering in the wrong direction is the right move just for false stability sake.

02 Jan 2020 21:54:21
Red man, you're living in the past. Managers rarely dictate the direction of a club, and they certainly don't when the club is as big as ours.

If a big personality such as Mourinho can't dictate the direction of the club then no manager will.

If you're expecting that to happen then you'll be back on here in 18 months declaring the next manager not good enough and needs sacking.

If we sack Ole now then what? You bemoaned the club not doing their due diligence when hiring Ole yet you expect them to pull a rabbit out the hat and find the perfect candidate right now.

On what basis do you believe that the people who hired Moyes, LvG, Jose and Ole will get the next manager right?

If the club are serious about changing the structure, and are looking to bring in a DoF or technical director to work with a manager then shouldn't that DoF be part of the hiring process as they will have to work directly with the manager.

There are deep issues with the depth and quality of our squad, problems a manager can't fix without significant investment in the transfer window or significant time (3-4 years) developing our young players to fill the void.

I understand people aren't happy with the current results, but what is the answer? All people seem to be suggesting is the same old story of sack the manager.

It hasn't worked, it didn't work when we sacked Moyes, it didn't work when we sacked LvG and it doesn't appear to be working after we sacked Jose.

So just why do you think it will work this time?

02 Jan 2020 22:05:02
Red Man, that’s not what I said, I don’t have an answer. It’s the same people posting the same things after every loss that is wearing. Like it or not, it seems he is here for the season so stamping feet and pouting lips isn’t going to achieve anything.

LVG didn’t work, Jose didn’t work (I know you disagree), the squad is being reshaped and like it or not, there will be a lot of ups and downs.

02 Jan 2020 22:07:24
Ajh you didn't take a break from the negativity when a previous manager needed firing in fact you often stoked it and you were very vocal about your thoughts.
Redman just doing likewise now.
Not one poster that comes on here can moan about repetition they don't like, as all of us you included bang our particular drum at any given time.
I very much include myself in that too AJH.
I don't like watching martial and all i see is the negatives about him so i tent to be negative about him. But at least i'm consistent.
Others were like that about zlatan.
You are about pogba
Redman and others are about ole.
I think its fair to say he has a bee in his bonnet😂
Some had a bee in their bonnet about jose and wete just as vocal and called him worse than a failed cardiff manager .
Others take a break too when they don't like what their reading can't say it ever bothers me.
Ive no problem with any opinion i have being proved wrong over time or indeed changing my opinion over time. If ole gets it right and we start improving and challenging for a league title in 18 months then ill be fist to say i got it wrong until then we can expect calls for his sacking daily.
Im resigned to him seeing out the season but i wouldn't be in favour of that decision unless the club have a clear plan on replacing him in the summer.

02 Jan 2020 22:12:17
Your right, ole will be here till May at least. Results will be up and down and we will be inconsistent. there's nothing we can do as fans so is there any point making ourselves miserable over it? The decisions will be made one way or another and they won't be based on what we think.

{Ed047's Note - I think that’s what makes people the most miserable, the fact they can’t do anything about it mate.

02 Jan 2020 22:14:51
Shappy

I didn’t ask for Mourinho’s sacking, when nearly everyone else was screaming for his head, including you. So your assertion on me about 18 months time is yet again incorrect.

Sticking with the wrong manager because of an emotional connection is also not going to work. There are several managers, immediately available who offer far better options for the club. Yes there are other areas in the club to fix but get a better qualified manager instead of continuing with the emotional roller coaster.

02 Jan 2020 22:25:44
To eds point, I think that's why so many do come on here to vent, it's our only platform to outwardly voice our discontent. We know we can do nothing and that breeds anger at times which spills out.

{Ed047's Note - that’s us human beings 🤷‍♂️

02 Jan 2020 22:38:05
Shappy, nobody is asking them to pull any rabbits out of their hats. Just get in a proper coach, that's it. Ole is a complete amateur.

You wrote another long post on the discussions bemoaning player choice, having off days etc etc, every excuse for a manager that should be nowhere near this club.

A win rate of something like 30%, 21 games, 7 draws and 6 losses and none of it is his fault going by your posts.

It would've been great if you had put the same faith in Jose, hypocritical stuff yet again from you.

02 Jan 2020 22:40:29
Red man, no one would ever believe you would call for the sacking of Saint Jose.

The man could do no wrong in your eyes. Personally I feel that your bitterness of José's sacking plays a large part in your spitefulness towards Ole.

But just remember, Jose is the failed Chelsea manager (twice), the failed Real Madrid manager and the failed United manager.

02 Jan 2020 22:48:43
I agree NI .
Anybody can give their opinion as often as they like. Just Passover what you don't want to read.
Everyone of us live in a glass house in that regard so can't afford to throw too many stones.

02 Jan 2020 22:54:42
That was what made me laugh earlier, somebody actually posted once again saying I’m the reason why we aren’t very good, because I’m accepting mediocrity, like anything I say or we say on here makes any difference. The hyperbole and I told you so after every defeat is crazy, even one of the Ed’s joins in mocking me whenever I try and suggest that there are positives. 2 defeats in 9 games, 5 points off top 4 and in every cup comp and people are so spoilt they think the season is over.

02 Jan 2020 23:00:14
Shappy your bitterness towards jose is clouding your judgement on ole imo.

02 Jan 2020 23:00:53
Tony, you and Shappy post the same long winded posts arguing the sacking of Ole as much as us fans who think he is out of his depth. None of us a reinventing the wheel with our posts.

The simple fact is, if Ole was doing his job well then we wouldn't be on here every freak pissed off. He is the manager of Manchester United. The list of teams that have beaten us since he took over are criminal. He has a worst record that Moyes who lasted 7 months. We're worse off in the league than when we sacked Jose.

I get all your points. Constant upheaval is never productive. But the reason a part of the fan base come on here constantly and have a Go, is because there are a lot of performances that are unacceptable.

What a competent manager would bring would be consistency. We would have direction. Results would improve, morale would improve. Less focus on the board if on the pitch was better.

Just because the last manager didn't work doesn't mean we should let a poor one keep his job.

02 Jan 2020 23:03:22
He won the league with Chelsea he won the league with madrid and wad the most successful united massager since fergie too shappy.
Was raneri a failure at Leicester because he couldn't repeat his heroics and got fired.
Some of the points you make are nonsensical and totally brought up on complete bias or just completely made up.

02 Jan 2020 23:13:12
What are you on about shappy.

02 Jan 2020 23:30:03
What's the saying? Lunacy is making the same decision time and time again expecting a different result.

You lot keep buying shiny new expensive players (pogba, zlatan Sanchez McGuire) .2nd highest spenders over both 5 and 10 years.

You change manager on average every 18/ 20 months since fergie and nothing changes.

Owners, directors however keep on grinding the money mill.

FSG are the reason LFC are where we are at the moment, Klopp and the squad are all a result of them, mistakes were made early doors but they learnt from them.

02 Jan 2020 23:33:31
the failed one shappy as you say has won more than the failed cardif manager.

03 Jan 2020 00:38:22
Tony, I just don't understand why people want to complain about posters making their views heard. If you don't like a post, don't read it. But to tell us that you're bored of reading posts while you post stuff, is taking the proverbial.
I've always said, everyone has the right to write what they want as often as they want. And I'd you don't like it, then don't read it.

03 Jan 2020 04:25:44
Sacking the manager is not the answer.

Fix the structure of the club. Full stop.

Else the same cycle will continue with a new manager.
Same people will keep whining, moaning with knee jerk reaction after every game.

03 Jan 2020 06:37:09
Shappy tries so hard to defend Ole that he hits out at other managers. Mourinho’s trophies tell a totally different story to Ole’s but it doesn’t fit his narrative and as can be observed when he is on the losing side of an argument Shappy hits out spitefully.

The longer this farce, this emotionally driven support of the manager, who has no credentials, continues the worse the damage.

03 Jan 2020 06:46:03
Ken your bitterness towards shappy is clouding your judgement on Ole imo 😂😂😂.

03 Jan 2020 06:55:29
United had never gone 500 minutes without scoring from open play until. Solskjaer.
United have never gathered under 30 points in the PL era by Boxing Day until. Solskjaer.
United had won their last 4 matches to open a new calendar year until. Solskjaer.
Since getting the job full-time, Ole Gunnar Solskajer's win rate at Manchester United is just 29.5%. (What was Mourinho’s Shappy? )

Another day has gone by where the club showed indecision.

03 Jan 2020 06:56:25
Mumbles, I am ambivalent about Ole and have said several times I don’t think he is the answer. However, he is being given time to reshape the squad, reduce the age, bring through youngsters. I’m not convinced ‘top’ Managers would do that, they would chase instant success with big signings and we have seen that fail continually for the last few years.

People were taking about relegation a few weeks ago, then we beat Spurs and City and people started being positive, a couple of bad games and we’re all doomed.

My wider point is like it or not it looks like we are stuck with it this year so I don’t see the need for continual ‘sack Ole’ posts. That doesn’t mean I think he’s the right guy, it means I’ve accepted it’s not going to change any time soon.

The club needs a lot or restructuring but it would be good for Ole to do a couple of things:

1. Stop being so laid back after defeats and poor performances, show some passion and anger.
2. Stop bigging up Pogba, preferably sell him this window.
3. Demand midfield reinforcements this window.

03 Jan 2020 07:04:45
Shappy it’s very well known your dislike of Jose clouded your view of him whilst he was here. As people have said, he is our most successful manager since fergie. But now it’s not ok to criticise your darling Ole? I seem to remember you got very personally when it came to Jose. I don’t think Red man has said anything that hasn’t been true. You can wish ole to be a success but when someone hasn’t got it, they simply haven’t got it.

03 Jan 2020 07:06:24
lol Rossi.

03 Jan 2020 08:03:19
It says it all when a Scouser comes on the United page and talks more sense than half the United fans.

At this rate the club will need to be rebranded as Manchester Divided.

Also I'm not sure how my post was spiteful? All I did was point out how silly it is to refer to any manager as the failed one, as nearly all managers have been sacked at some point so have at one time been a failure, as no one gets sacked for succeeding.

My defence of Ole over the last couple of months has subtly changed although most people tend to see the name of the poster and then read what they expect to read rather than what is being written.

My original hope was that Ole could learn on the job and develop. Sadly that doesn't appear to be happening, or at least not quickly enough. I'm resigned to the fact that Ole will be sacked and when it does happen his results will make it impossible to argue that it was the wrong decision.

My defence of Ole if you want to call it that over the last couple of months haven't been based around him being good enough, but about the timing and longer term planning that needs to be considered around moving him on.

We have made this mistake several times before in the recent past. If/ when we sack Ole who takes over? What is the longer term plan? What structure will the club have? How will the new manager fit into that?

Most fans argument for sacking Ole right away is entirely based on short term up turn in results.

That short term vision put us in this situation and it won't get us out of it.

Sacking Ole is pointless without a longer term plan/ strategy. We will just be cementing the idea that we are a club in disarray who sack managers the moment things get rocky. I'm sure that will make us a very attractive proposition for top managers.

03 Jan 2020 09:02:11
Shappy time will prove you wrong.

02 Jan 2020 20:24:14
Buendia or Cantwell thoughts?
Both have had really good seasons in a really poor team.
I think both are attainable and much better than what we have as no. 10.
Definite improvement over Pereira, Mata or lingard.

02 Jan 2020 22:53:49
I have no thoughts on either rohan. Not seen enough of either.

03 Jan 2020 00:39:21
Grealish or maddison please.

03 Jan 2020 04:27:29
Bruno Fernandes and Christian Eriksen may be the most realistic and attainable options from the list of targets.

03 Jan 2020 14:24:23
Cantwell's been in my fantasy football team since day 1, if that helps 😁.

02 Jan 2020 13:47:54
Just for clarity and because people seem to have the shortest of memories, Ole gunnar Solsjaer had 12 points from his first 4 Premier league matches. Mikel Arteta has 5.

02 Jan 2020 14:09:03
The media are pathetic. The way they are banging on is as if Arsenal won the title. Arsenal were not great last night at all very average actually. We just played like we were on sleeping tablets. So I agree with u there the hype is embarrassing they only crumbled at home to chelsea a couple of days before in the closing stages.

02 Jan 2020 14:10:03
Ross anyone can use any stat without context to push their point of view. Fergie won 1 of his first 6 games in charge. Look what he achieved. Lukaku on paper looks like a world class goal machine, yet if you watch him play he never performs in the big games and he’s not the most aesthetically pleasing player. My point is it doesn’t matter how he has started, it matters what we have seen through his whole reign. Since being officially appointed, his record is abysmal and we are a terribly inconsistent side. That’s what you should be focusing on. Amateur coach appointed by amateur board, as per Ed002. And he’s very rarely wrong.

02 Jan 2020 14:23:22
You've literally just proved my point park. Check out my profile there if you want to see my recent comments about what Ole has and is doing right because I can't be bothered to write the wholething again
Also I respect ed002 hugely but at the end of the day they are a person with opinions, their opinions may be much more informed than mine but are still just opinions.

02 Jan 2020 14:24:23
And my point park I think went over your head but Damon got it.

02 Jan 2020 15:07:23
Ross, no one is saying that Arteta is a better manager or we should have gotten him in charge. The point most are making is that Arteta already has Arsenal tuned into the way he wants to play. He's only there two weeks and there was a clear instruction on how they set up.

This idea that Ole needs more time to make us better is ludicrous. He's had a year and We are worse than we were. Our squad isn't great and the board don't cover themselves in glory, but Ole has had a year in charge and he is failing. Failing to improve results. failing to improve the players.

Someone please try and explain to me what Ole has actually done to stay in the job?

02 Jan 2020 15:15:30
Apologies Ross I’ve just seen your comments on Ole. Whilst I do agree that it’s early to make judgement on Arteta, we did see an idea of what he wanted to do. Time will tell whether he will be a success. And ole showed at the beginning he had a plan. But a year into the job, we’ve regressed and we resorted to lobbing it long into the channels for the front 3 to chase. Yes the midfield is poor, but not poor enough that we can’t string passes together. Ole has had a year and it’s clear he’s not up to it. Change is needed. In terms of Arteta, should be Judged a year in as well. But he’s an unknown quantity, whereas we saw what ole was capable of at Cardiff, not very much.

02 Jan 2020 16:01:21
You're right aswell Park. We're all emotional as fans of the club we love and only want what's best just have differing opinions.

02 Jan 2020 16:27:32
Very true Ross.

02 Jan 2020 11:38:30
Every year since fergie left its the same. A manager comes in and is immediately fighting fires in terms of quality of the squad and mindset within the players, it happened for lvg, Mourinho and now Ole.
We bought extremely poorly moyes, lvg, mourinho. I cannot say the same about Ole, OK Maguire was overpriced, awb and James are solid purchases though at least.
The squad is not good enough, they wi be but they are mostly kids, there are no leaders. 2 22 year olds, rashford and Mctominay are our leaders. Same crap happen again, sack another manager, same cycle. Next thing it will be 20 years.

02 Jan 2020 12:07:39
This time last year the club had an opportunity to put a long term plan into place.

- hire a DoF
- overhaul recruitment
- identify the right manager
- identify the right players to fit the long term project

Instead, they took the easy option of hiring Ole on the back of a good run. Planning went out the window, and the necessary reforms were put on the back burner.

Now we have an out of depth manager, an inexperienced coaching team, and a recruitment team that has continually proven to be not up to the task.

A competent board would recognise that Ole is on borrowed time and spend the rest of this season doing what they should have done last time.

02 Jan 2020 13:01:38
Yeah and the club did not go through with those plans. The board are to blame for most of our malaise, it's a disgrace how there's not been a dof signed at this stage. Why are lampard and arteta not seen as out of their depths though, only Ole.

02 Jan 2020 13:54:52
Arteta is an unproven entity but has had a pretty immediate impact. Lampard is 4th in the table. Ole had an awful tenure at cardiff and after a year has taken united backwards (5 points less than last season at the same time) .

02 Jan 2020 14:05:39
Because neither have had a full 12 months and hundreds of millions to spend. If by this time next year Arteta has Arsenal floundering around, people would say the same.

02 Jan 2020 14:25:49
Labamba as I said above arteta has 5 points from 4 games, Ole had 12, you've a bad memory.

02 Jan 2020 14:34:10
Fair enough Danny, I take that. I just figure I've read a few ridiculous comments saying look how arteta has arsenal playing already, Ole did have the same impact initially.

02 Jan 2020 19:41:41
Maguire isn't overpriced he is atrocious, he is slow, stupid and most importantly a very poor defender 1v1. His ball playing skills add up to hogging the ball for a long time before making a 5 yard pass to lindelof or fred. Atleast smalling could defend, maguire can't even do that properly, he is inept in defending set pieces and useless attacking them, he was supposed to be a leader, yesterday was one of the many times this season where he hasn't been on the same page as the rest of the defence.

Everyone goes on about how sacking ole won't change the board's ineptitude, but the fact is ole's ineptitude vastly overshadows board's.

Greenwood was supposed to replace lukaku, a reason why we didn't sign a replacement striker in summer, he has started 2 games in pl and played 400 of the 1900 minutes of PL footy. Lingard has been crap for a year, yet periera was dropped yesterday after a good performance and gomes has had 9 minutes of football in PL. Shaw has been poor since coming back while williams has been good most of the time he has been called up, but yet got dropped for him.

Anyone who had eyes and wasn't drinking the Ole our Savior kool-aid could see we were very short in mf and attack, the cult leader and his followers kept banging on about giving kids a chance, where exactly were levitt and garner yesterday? He wants to play a 2 man mf designed to press high and decides playing matic is a great idea.

He's been here a whole year and yet no one can actually figure out what exact footballing style is he trying to implement. He's spent 130 mn on defence and yet we have kept 3 clean sheets in 21 and are 18th on the table in terms of cs kept.

The board is a big problem that we are going to have to solve if we mean to win PL or CL in near future but it isn't the main culprit for the shambles that has been this season.

02 Jan 2020 10:10:36
I have to say i am quite torn on the January window.
Its obvious we need new players.
But i think we should not spend until the summer when we have a proper football manager in charge of the team.
#breathoffreshairischokingus
#onestepforwardtwostepsback.

02 Jan 2020 10:35:58
The entire season has been like this Ken.
1 step forward 2 steps backward or 2 steps forward and 1 step backward.

We seem to be over playing some of the players as well. Two quality signings will definitely help in the top 4 push.
Our rivals are also dropping points almost every week.
It's a shame we can't take advantage of it.

02 Jan 2020 10:42:55
The hashtags ken 😂. I’m of that view too. I think if he isn’t backed then it suggests the board will look in a different direction.

02 Jan 2020 10:46:05
Our manager can't get the best from what he has TRD.
Maguire looks worse than he did at Leicester
Awb looks worse them when he was at palace.
I wouldn't give ole another player to destroy.

02 Jan 2020 10:46:13
That's the million dollar question Ken. Admit our mistake and get a competent manager in or double down and back the manager who is clearly out of his depth. I'd hazard a guess and say we'll do something in between. We'll get maybe one in in January and Ole will be sacked at the end of the season.

Forward planning was never our strong suit.

02 Jan 2020 10:58:12
I feel Maguire is having trouble having to cover for the lack of positional sense in Luke Shaw.

Yesterday Matic although decent at times, didn't really close the space often against the Arsenal attackers.

Furthermore, The bench is too weak. Having to bring on Mata and Andreas shows how weak the depth of the squad is.

We are missing the energy of McTominay very badly.

02 Jan 2020 11:04:16
So rather than back your your manager and want the best this season for the club you'd be happier for us not to sign anyone when we desperately need cms and have for 12 mths and potentially lose more ground and have a season where we definitely finish outside the top 4 so Ole gets sacked. Instead of saying yeah there are problems, there have been for a long time, they are not all of oles making, there is progress in some areas, notablely use of youth and I think the development of rashford, martial, greenwood, James, Williams etc, maybe with 2 or 3 high class signings we could really push to cement top 4 or higher. Are people forgetting Chelsea and spuds dropped points this week.
People saying yesterday how arteta is doing to arsenal in weeks what ole has never done. Lol people forget his first 17 games, how many wins were there, psg miracle etc. Did people forget we had a new manager bounce too. Sure sack Ole, we might get another bounce, and then we can sell another 18 players and buy another 12 and all the while the years go by.

02 Jan 2020 11:22:40
Of that team that started last night, I suspect only rashford for sure, awb if he improves his attacking and Maguire possibly but by no means certainly will be part of our team that eventually begins the resurgence and sees us compete at the top again, without big changes we are so far behind the top teams .
We have a 200 million defense is that really the best defense you could assemble for that money, a midfield that I don't think scares anyone and has woeful creativity, still very little down right side of attack, I like james and glad we got him but to cover both wings as back up for me . Jury still out on martial for me uptop as I think other areas a bigger problem
I do think a better coach would see us with more points but we shouldn't kid ourselves that team last night would challenge city or liverpool whoever was in charge .
Lots of areas need addressing but fred matic and lingard as a starting midfield is a no brainer to me where to start .

02 Jan 2020 13:41:08
Ross i just don't want the club to spend money on player the new manager might not want.
It compounds the problem.
Of course i want the best for the season which is why I'm torn.

02 Jan 2020 13:53:42
I get that Ken but what I would say is Ole has spent well, perhaps the best of all recent managers, its widely known that we have had terrible recruitment so one would hope that it would be the right players for the club rather than just the right players for Ole so that if results do continue to disappoint and regretfully in my opinion sack Ole, the players should still lhe of the calibre needed for a new manager.
What I don't want is for a new manager to come in and for example say he wants to build the team around pogba again. I'm sorry but I way more passionalty want pogba out of my club.

{Ed002's Note - That is not how money is spent - OGS is no more than a small cog in that process as I have explained before.}

02 Jan 2020 14:31:31
You mean in that Ole is not the one responsible for the 3 transfers we have brought in so far Ed? . I get what you're saying in that Ole is only a small part of the process, ie, scouting, recruitment, contracts etc
But I'm sorry I don't get what you mean by that's not how money is spent however if I've picked up correctly and then make the point that if Ole is only a small part in the process then there should be no fear in the club buying players while he is our manager with the excuse they could not suit another manager.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained before that is not how it works.}

02 Jan 2020 15:27:06
I need to go back and revise 😂.

02 Jan 2020 00:20:37
Tonight was a wake up call. I hate people losing their jobs, but Ole is a dead man walking. Even if he makes it until the summer, he has to be replaced with someone with experience - Allegri ideally. He is learning English but worryingly, the only job I see potentially being available is City if Pep does a runner.

More importantly, the club needs a structure in place to succeed. The last 7 years have been poor from the top down. Bad appointments, bad signings and a plan that has changed so many times that we must be on plan g now.

Lets not kid ourselves either, some of the players are not good enough at all. On the live chat I got people pointing to 2nd in the league and the Europa and League cup wins. Jose stated 2nd was his best acheivement in football with that squad and we all scoffed. A man who has won trophies everywhere and he said that was his biggest acheivement.

Also, the league cup and Europa are not top competitions really. I hate the fact we won the Europa as we should have never been in such a poor competition.
Yes Ole should do better, but let's not expect miracles with what he has too.

Shaw was woefull, Matic has declined, Lingard has regressed, Martial is not a 9, Mata is done, Bailey injured and Paul Pogba being a problem at the club that needs removing asap.

While the performances are not good enough on a consistent basis, I lay the blame squarely on the board. Imagine if we backed Jose after the 2nd place finish. Let him get rid of Pogba and bring in who he wanted. Not to be told 'Na mate, your one of the greatest managers ever, but we got this amazing scouting network here that hasn't failed and instead of that cm and cb you wanted, you got Fred. Oh and he's about 50 mill off the budget. No wonder he got pissed off.

So now we are in a window and we all know that Ole is not going to get players he wants as he won't be here next season, so that's pointless. Brace yourself for some more 'club signings' and fingers crossed for a manager who can wave a magic wand over a squad assembled by 5 different managers in 7 years. These next 8 months are going to be a hell of a ride for us fans. But hey, at least we are still making a shed load of money.

02 Jan 2020 08:36:43
Good post james.

02 Jan 2020 09:20:51
shocking performance last night but you could see it coming with shaw, matic and lingard starting. williams deserved to stay in the side and so did peirrera even though i'm not his biggest fan he offers more than lingard. our midfield was totally overun last night we take one step forward then backwards again. after that show they should all compensate the fans even if its only ticket money, my lad got home at 3.00am this morning.

02 Jan 2020 09:24:16
Surely just act and get Pochettino in to get the players used to his methods and new coaches. The season is done.

02 Jan 2020 09:42:40
Great post james.

02 Jan 2020 09:42:40
Ole seems to know other teams better than his own the way he was talking about the arsenal players you would think he would have known how to play against them a little, I know we have been a laughing stock for years now but it's starting to look like there is no way back and if it does it's going to take another Ferguson.

I'll always follow United but this will be my last year of a season ticket i'm turning into a arm chair fan, i'm not wasting my hard earned money funding them players anymore no desire no nothing, had enough.

02 Jan 2020 09:44:40
Eric,

It really really isn't, we are 5 points off top 4 and still in every cup competition, the season is far from done, people are ridiculous at times, we lost another game, suck it up and crack on. Hope the players don't think the same way.

02 Jan 2020 09:52:38
Since the europa got changed to give the winners a route to the champions league its actually become an important competition.


That is the only way we are making it into the competition next season.


But put matic and fred and lingard in any teams midfield you are going to struggle.

02 Jan 2020 09:55:32
Gds

It’s fans with your mindset who accept this mediocrity we have stooped too who are half the problem. The club has been run into the ground. Mark my words were 5 years if we make the right appointment after olly from competing for the league, pitiful. Top 4 and the league cup means nothing to me.

02 Jan 2020 10:07:45
Top post James.

02 Jan 2020 10:19:08
Shaw is bang average at best. Goes forward, recieves ball and passes it back to defence or midfiled. He doesn't take on players and thus all the opposition has to do is close him down. He cannot take on defenders and cross. I cannot remember a left back with such a weak shot . It's best to leave Matic and Lingard alone. They aren't worth the time. Europa League next season would be an achievement.

02 Jan 2020 10:35:52
GDS, we are not in every competition though are we? We cannot win the league and with performances like that last night we can go out of the rest of the competitions easily.

Also top 4 is not a competition. We should not be aiming for the top 4 trophy.

02 Jan 2020 10:42:55
The structure of the club itself is a mess.
Sacking a manager won't fix this.

The players seem to trust the manager and there is a harmony in the squad.
I believe the consistency will improve by bringing in a no 10 and a midfielder.

02 Jan 2020 10:47:13
GDS, exactly the reason why we get a proper coach in now. We could actually get top 4, maybe even win a cup.

I highly doubt we do either with Ole.

02 Jan 2020 11:07:15
its not the loss that is pissing people off, its the way we lose.

there is a trend, every single game we lose away from home we lose far to easy, and we don't score, the players are bottlers they don't have the fight or the will to give a crap.

02 Jan 2020 12:44:32
GDS - you actually think OGS can get this lot into Top 4? You’re having a laugh. This is not a reaction to one poor performance. The season is littered with them at least every other week. We are a mid table side and our style of play and results show that. We have Pogba doing what he wants when he wants because the manager and club are too soft, and we have the same tactics every week. No direction, rare quality, and no tactical awareness or desire. Sorry mate - The season is done. I love OGS as much as the next man, but crikey he’s out of his depth.

{Ed047's Note - no I’m certain he will be dead serious🤦‍♂️