Manchester United Banter Archive July 02 2014

 

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02 Jul 2014 22:51:24
I mentioned earlier that it is my opinion that more is going on at the club when it comes to transfers than meets the eye, Ken asked if I would explain further so here I am. lol.

First off I think the club are looking to move on several players, if we miss out on one or two it won't be such a big deal as they are looking like they have other players lined up, and the rebuilding process will take longer than one window.

Secondly we have already made the most important signing in van Gaal, we have a leader again and a direction and propose.

Now everything that happens at the club from here on in will be on the say so or with the consent of Louis van Gaal, he is a manager cast from the same die as Sir Alex, he likes total control and is unhappy with anything going on at his club without him knowing and agreeing with it. There is a joke in Holland that goes "what is the difference between Louis van Gaal and God? God knows he isn't Louis van Gaal" This is a joke at his god complex and his need to be in control.

So every single transfer coming in or going out of the club will be so on his orders.

We need to appreciate that although he has shown himself to be very flexible tactically as with his Dutch team at this world cup, he still if given the choice will try and move towards the system he has been perfecting through out his career. He has changed his tactics and formation because he lacks the players he needs to go with the system he would rather play. But with us he can get the players he wants within reason as he isn't bound by picking players of a certain nationality.

Now he isn't foolish enough to try and force players to play a system that they aren't suited too, so what I can see him doing at our club is over the next season or two he will slowly evolve the team to suit his style and the way he wants to play.

He will be looking beyond this window, but in the mean time he has to win with what he has. Personally I see Ander Herrera as the typical LvG No.10, but I can see him playing him more as a No.8 in the mean time as we have a serious lack of midfielders. Then when he has been able to build in the manner he wants and bring in all the players he needs then he will maybe move Herrera further forward into the system he wants.

He likes width, and he likes a solid midfield to build from, possession based attacking football. I can see him starting off by playing something closer to a 4231 because of the players he has available to him. I can see him playing Herrera along side either a more defensive midfielder or a box to box midfielder with one of Rooney Mata or Kagawa playing as the No.10.

That is why I think we have been linked with Vidal and Carvalho a B2B and a DM. I doubt we'll get both but as long as he gets one then he's sorted. Long term he will want both a DM and a B2B player moving Herrera further forward. I think he will eventually move for Strootman with him playing being the No.6 or No.8 depending on who he signs this window.

This is all hypothetical, but it does fit his profile.

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Funny there is an article in a paper saying LVG wants Fellaini out maybe the 2cm are on although DeJong is likely until Strootman in january

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As ever an insightful post.would love to know who exactly some of you guys are as either just knowledgeable (more than me) or in the know.
Your view on Harera being a 10. does that suggest that if not this summer but at some stage he would look to move our current 10 on. rooney/Mata/Kagawa?
Thamks

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I disagree. I see Herrera as the perfect number 8, not number 10. He has the legs to get up and down, has a good pass and interception rate as well as good assists. The thing he lacks are goals. Mata or Rooney are more accomplished and better number 10's who score goals and set them up which is their primary role. Herrera only has the assist portion of the two necessary number 10 attributes.

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He's an 8 that is capable of playing as a 10. But he is primarily an 8.

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Really don't know where the herrera is a 10 has come from, he really isnt

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03 Jul 2014 23:35:59
Syd/Jred he has played most of the last two seasons as a No.10.

Personally I feel the No.8 role is his best as his work rate has him dropping abit too deep at times for a No.10 imo. But LvG likes that kind of No.10, so you can't rule it out.

Personally I quite like the idea of signing Carvalho, Sanchez, De Vrij and Vermaelen and then play a 3412 with DDG in goal, a back three of Jones, De Vrij and Vermaelen, with Rafael, Carvalho, Herrera and Shaw, then Mata playing just behind Sanchez and RvP.

But we can dream.

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I would have to disagree

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02 Jul 2014 22:05:32
Eds Had a good debate in our local last night and I would like to see peoples opinions on here can you do a poll on if you could re=sign one of these in their prime who would you choose Stam or Vidic.

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{Ed007's Note - I've set that up, Ken. You can vote here.

Stam for me without a doubt.

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I would love both would be an unbelieveable partnership

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03 Jul 2014 22:15:35
cheers Shappy,
I agree with most although Ideally LVG prefers a holder in the mould of carvalho / de young and 2 box to box Herrara and Vidal in my dreams. Ideally he likes 1 up top with 1 pacey wide player with strong dribbling ability and a 2nd that can move infield into a 10 role when the full back pushes into his space Mata is ideal, there is no major demand on defensive duties on his 3 forward players. But all players will be expected to be able to fill more than 1 roll and he will demand and expect that they play the position as instructed

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03 Jul 2014 22:43:10
thanks ed stam for me

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02 Jul 2014 22:34:21
Syd
Sanchez is.off to arsenal, not suprised really

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02 Jul 2014 21:51:33
In keeping with the daily tradition of posting a hilarious excerpt from the Liverpool pages - I bring you this.

". we're letting Suarez go. Does anyone feel that he just may have peaked along the lines of Torres, Owen and to a certain extent, Fowler. 80million quid is an awful lot of money. he's played a lot of football and then he's had that injury which he was rushed back from.?

Jackzokay"

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I can't believe I'm saying this but I really believe Suarez has no conscious intention to bite, nor necessarily even a memory of it - it's a completely involuntary instinctual reaction to stress. It is precisely because he has absolutely no control over it, that he and his country are in such denial.

I have heard he has been working daily with a psychologist and, as a result, his behaviour had improved immensely - no biting, less diving, and even more effective - but put him back in the Uruguay uniform without that support and he reverts to type.

You have to feel for his family, especially the kids who will no doubt have to bear the brunt of all the jokes.

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I agree peashooter. A bit like a Paedo, or drug abuser, they often know it's very wrong but can't help themselves, something not wired in the brain correctly to be able to resist.

But he needs to be banned from football as he is a risk to others, 3 times is no accident, in any other walk of life you take the person away from the temptation by force, but for some reason different rules apply for footballers. Opponents should simply refuse to play on the same field in protest and he would soon be kicked out of the game and given treatment and punishment. I don't see why he gets to be treated whilst still posing a threat to others, (what if he contracts a disease and bites somebody?).

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02 Jul 2014 21:45:30
Di Maria - Backing up why I think we need to be a bit cleverer than going with the hype and not seeing the Real reason why he sometimes stands out.

Just because he played well in the Champions League Final and has looked good in a Madrid team last season (mainly why people have been raving about him and shooting me down). He hasn't set the world a light. I think he is a nominal upgrade on Nani because he shares the same characteristics with the ball. He works harder and is a bit cleverer but his end product is shocking just like Nani. He is no quicker, no more skilful, just as wasteful, but works harder and plays for Madrid which automatically means he is great to some people!

When Madrid play defenders are too busy focussing on Ronaldo, Benzema & Bale it doesn't mean he is great, he gets space that he wouldn't get for Utd because we don't have Ronaldo or Bale. He hasn't performed for the Argies, he has had loads of the ball, because defeenders have been focussing on Messi and to a lesser extent Aguero/Higuain.

People are getting carried away with Di Maria. I would also think that some of our current crop would play far better in a team not focussed on covering defensively first and hopefully having options to pass to in midfield and upfront, unlike last season. Moyes didn't know how to utilise wingers and they all struggled as a result with our static tactics.

We need to strengthen the CB and CM position first, spending £25-£30m on Di Maria is not worth the difference he will make to our team. Better than what we have, but not by much at all. I read from one of the Eds that he is also expecting MASSIVE wages, I don't think he justifies it.

Being MOM in a major game is all well and good, but how many MOM's have there been during this world cup that we have never heard of or barely heard of a player? Chapionship defenders have looked awesome.

Watch Sturridge & Sterling next season without Suarez. They will have much more attention from defenders and will be far less effective. A good indication was England where we lacked a Suarez, they were pretty average compared to their Liverpool performances, despite having Gerrard & Henderson in the team.

Sanchez is Chile's star attacker, yet he flourished with every team focussing on him in the world cup - he is the only winger I would sign this summer to be honest.

Di Maria is not as good as people assume. Put Nani in a Madrid shirt playing in that team, he would look far better than he does for us.

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02 Jul 2014 22:44:36
There's better out there than Di Maria but to say he's a nominal upgrade on Nani , Young and Valencia is ridiculous .
He's far superior to any of them

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Agree with bilko,

Much better talent out there than di Maria and the World Cup alone has proven that,

We could say the same about young then? Good pace and his end product can be good, so stick him in a Madrid shirt next year playing with benzema bale and Ronaldo will make him a better player?

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Thats some twisted logic man

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02 Jul 2014 21:19:52
Do you not find it at least a little bit strange that we don't seem to be overly interested in Sanchez despite a forward being a need of ours and he is one of the best about. Does Ed have something planned? Robben maybe?

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{Ed004's Note - Well 'The Ed' (there is only one 'the Ed') has said the bids barcelona received are from Arsenal, Manutd and Juventus}

I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool are added to that list after today's unfolding's. But I hope we get him, he changes everything about our attack if we sign him.

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Given that he's said on several occasions in the past that he is a big Manchester United fan one would hope that we'd be in the driving seat for him.

I suppose one only needs to look at quotes from Eto'o saying that he'd rather go home to Cameroon and sell ground nuts than play under Mourinho or Fabregas saying that he'd never be caught dead in a Chelsea shirt to realise that what he's said in the past will probably not reflect where he ends up!

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Guillem balague said in relation to the Suarez negotiations that alexis was considering other options or something along those lines. I think juventus is the most likely destination at this minute but I'd love him at united.

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03 Jul 2014 06:57:30
If it is true we bid for sanchez can you confirm if the club has had a response to that bid or what the value of our bid was? as Ed002 has said that a previous bid by Juve fell some way short of their valuation.
Thanks EDS
USA did you proud Ed002, who are you cheering for now?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no intention of discussing money but of the three bids made none has been acceptable. I have never "cheered" at a football team or football match, but I understand the kids did well. I have not seen any of the games.}

03 Jul 2014 22:38:39
Thanks, you should try a bit of cheering its good for the soul ;o).

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02 Jul 2014 20:25:39
If vidal is not destined for us (sounds most likely) and carvalhos price is extreme, do you think our midfield is now strong enough? If not who do you think the next solutions might be?

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02 Jul 2014 21:48:58
Our midfield is still not strong enough, I hope for vidal but think it most unlikely. I would love to have him here he has the right character and I would hand him the captaincy. But to get the best out of herrera he will need a like minded and equally technically strong player alongside him, strootman if fit was ideal. If we don't get someone to play alongside Ander i'm afraid we will not see him reach his full potential.

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I think we need another one, Herrera will be quality but we need a strong pivot - Bender, Schwein or Martinez if we can't get Vidal would be my hope.

Carrick is too slow, Fletcher past it, Clev & Anderson need strength around them and Fellaini I just don't know where he should play or if he should play, kind of like Rooney.

Hopefully we will see Powell.

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It depends what our aims are next season. If we want to compete for top four we just need a CB and a winger. If we want to compete for the title we need a few CB's, a CM and a pair of wingers.

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02 Jul 2014 20:13:44
Offering 30mil+ for cuadrado will be a huge mistake even of it is half the price of James. James will be a world beater and have resell value. Cuadrado would be an expensive fringe player. Only my opinion but I still think James is an absolute must buy for anything up to 55-60 mil.

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They are both fantastic players. Yes, James has been the player of the World Cup thus far, but Cuadrado is a true winger, who is a tremendous player in his own right.

I respect your view about Rodriguez' potential. I suppose the debate would be: do we go after a world class player like him, or focus on areas we need to improve?

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James has played majority of his football this season in the number 10 role, a position we don't need to fill, he hasn't got the pace to play as an out and out winger in the prem, it'd just be like playing Kagawa there

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02 Jul 2014 21:56:11
Unfortunately I don't think Rodriguez is realistic at this stage

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I don't see Rodriguez getting anywhere near the levels of Ronaldo/Messi if he moves to RM.

His best performances for both Monaco and Columbia have come in the absence of Falcao when he has been the main man. Put him in a team with Bale, Ronaldo and Falcao and I don't see him being anywhere near as effective as he has been over the past 6 months.

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02 Jul 2014 20:01:45
Can I say you guys are obsessed with all these big name players, you lot are leaving yourselves to be disappointed!

Herrara and shaw were realistic targets for us, I think we will sign 2 more players but not any that you lot have mentioned apart from maybe carvalho.

Anyway I will be watching the upcoming tour games and I myself think van gaal will have us tactically sound which will hide some of our teams problems until he buys the correct players over the next 3 transfer windows

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Couldnt agree more big v. And its great to see fans belief in van gaal before he's even started!

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02 Jul 2014 19:11:22
Great to see Barcelona standing by their new man. I'm surprised more wasn't made of Suarez's apology.

"[. ] suffered the physical result of a bite in the collision he suffered with me."
What an absolute joke of an apology. If you want to sound sincere, don't sound like a politician. I didn't mean to eat all the cake. It was a collision and it kind of just happened.

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02 Jul 2014 17:40:11
Angel di Maria?

Supposedly told by Madrid that he can leave. Would united hold an interest?. Over Shawdoed by mr bale and Ronaldo

Would personally love him in a united shirt with his pace and threat when on the ball. Somthing we lack

Maria one side and januzaj the other?

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Small upgrade on Nani - lots of promise and pace but lacks composure and quality where it matters. I don't think he suits the English game either, not enough space.

As he would cost similar to Sanchez I would no doubt ignore Di Maria. If we can't get Sanchez then don't bother with a winger this summer. Kags, Mata, Zaha, Janujaz, Nani, Valencia, Young, Welbeck, Bebe, Lingard, Rooney - all vying for 2/3 positions. Hopefully several will be sold, but I don't think people will pay what we think they are worth.

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But what about Young?

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Di Marie would be a great signing with his pace and work rate and with him looking avalible I hope we are intrested

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02 Jul 2014 19:09:24
Di Maria , the man of the match in the Champions League final would be a 'small upgrade ' on Nani?

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Good player, would prefer others ahead of him though.

My choices would be;
1. Sanchez
2. Griezmann
3. Di Maria

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Small upgrade on nani? lol jimmy krankie would b a small upgrade on nani

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Di Maria would see the more viable now that Hannibal looks to be off to Barcelona I fancy that that deal will only go ahead if Sanchez goes the other way.
If I were a Liverpool fan, that would appease me; although I wouldn't be enthralled by the prospect of Mario Balotelli. The guy has quality, but he only turns up when he feels like it.

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Di Maria is a major upgrade on any winger we currently have at united. He has summing we lack at united in attack and that is pace.

Just changing the subject lads. Sporting have told united carvalho will cost us 37 million if we wanna sign him

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Di maria is a small upgrade on nani? possibly the silliest statement I've read for quite some time.

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Must say I was impressed with griezman.

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There's a list of about 15 wide players I'd rather we signed ahead of Di Maria - especially at the figure being quoted!

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02 Jul 2014 15:44:41
Sydney
I think we need to do all we can to sign Vidal. Signing Vidal would most probably prevent Chelsea getting Pogba and Liverpool getting Sanchez. It would be a good tactical move in more ways than one.

You are living in lala land. I personally dont.think.sanchez will be at liverpool but the domino effect? Deary me, pogba.will probably go and to.psg meaning Vidal will stay. Both players will not leaveand if pogba goes, that eases up funds for sanchez to juve.
I thought you were the few with some.common sense. Moves will not depend on vidal

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It makes perfect sense, Juventus will get Sanchez if they up their bid. They cannot up their bid until they have sold either Pogba or Vidal. They will only sell one of them therefore if we bought Vidal, it would prevent Chelsea from signing Pogba and give Juventus the funds to sign Sanchez preventing Liverpool getting him. Simple really. Notice I also said "most probably" and "if" we signed Vidal.

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Big Al -

You're right in that it's more than likely that Sanchez will reject a move to Liverpool (like the best players - he wants to win things) but I think there's every chance if we can strike a deal for Vidal it will prevent Pogba moving to Chelsea this window.

The current noise from Pogba's agent is that he wants to stay at Juventus (of course this doesn't mean that he actually does). Juventus want to sign Sanchez and will need to sell one of Pogba or Vidal to fund the move. As much as they'd rather see Pogba leave they may not have much choice if Pogba digs his heels in and Vidal expresses interest in a move.

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I think the Sanchez deal will go through sooner as barca need the funds. My best bet is arsenal, he wants the move to london.

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Big Al
Didnt you also just use the domino effect, just replacing vidal with pogba?

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Redseven
No I think its the location, and if it is that I doubht Manchester united would have a hell in hope ;)

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Reports arsenal have agreed a deal with barce

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Big Al -

If ever there was incentive for Juventus to negotiate with us for Vidal - the delicate nature of Sanchez' future is it.

As you point out - Barcelona need money for the Suarez deal and so will need to sell Sanchez asap. If Juventus want to sign Sanchez they will need to sell Vidal or Pogba asap.

I don't think it's likely that we will sign Vidal but there are certainly a few things going on that could help our chances.

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Sanchez may well be on his way to pool as part off the deal that takes Suarez to Barca

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02 Jul 2014 18:07:39
I think its more likely that PSG will sign Pogba for around 30m plus Verratti, this will mean Juve have replaced Pogba with Verratti and they will then have the funds to complete a deal for Sanchez and they will bae able to keep Vidal.

I doubt we'll get Vidal as if he was available everyone would be bidding for him.

I think other things could be a foot with our club so I wouldn't worry about it to be honest.

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Red seven
To be honest this window will see liverpool and united probably' spend the most in europe. i'm not getting into who buys better etc but it is definitely a window where both should really take advantage of top players and close the gap on man city, Chelsea.
Chelsea will be a strong team next year not a force if' they don't get pogba.
I would be very suprised if vidal leaves juve and I will be surprised if Sanchez doesn't end up in juve. It really depends which transfer occurs first, if pogba goes first for example, juve will likely sign sanchez and would vidal leave with Sanchez in and pogba left? Maybe I was wrong, IMO whichever transfer goes through first will have a domino effect, possibly

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02 Jul 2014 18:37:51
Shappy, What do you think are the other things a foot are? Genuine inerest in your thoughts btw

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Big Al -

In terms of being a stronger team next season I think Chelsea have already beaten both of our clubs hands down and they're far from finished. If you sell Suarez you will be a weaker team next year regardless of who you bring in.

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R7, stern but very true. In all likelihood Arsenal could get Sanchez, Chelsea could get Markovic and that leaves Shaqiri for Liverpool. Is an attack of Sterling, Lallana, Sturridge & Shaqiri stronger than Sterling, Coutinho, Sturridge & Suarez? Not a chance, no matter how Liverpool fans try and dress it up. They may go out and pull a stonking out of the bag, someone none of us are expecting, but for now it seems one of Markovic, Shaqiri & Sanchez will replace Suarez in the side. Probably Shaqiri, but none of them are half as good as Suarez.

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Syd - there are plenty of good young attacking players they could go for if deals for Markovic and Sanchez don't come off.

Any two of El Shaarawy, Firmino, Insigne, Draxler, Muniain, Musa, Bernard, Volland, Ljajic, Tello and Muriel would be great for them. They'd still be weaker but would probably be a better team in 2-3 years time.

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Pogba for 30m plus Verratti? Wow, that's some underrating of Veratti there. Bobbins mate!

Deeps.

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02 Jul 2014 14:26:03
@Ed001 if you are around

I read on another page that you said that like in the case of Shaw it might be worth it paying up for Carvalho since he is a good player in a position we lack in.

I have watched Carvalho only a few times (for Sporting) and although I see potential I don't see him taking any risks or making creative passes that start attacks at all.

Have you watched him a lot more and is he a very good player as a central midfielder? Would love your opinion on him, since you have been pretty spot on about the playing style of some of the players like Herrera.

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{Ed001's Note - it is not that he is a creative player, I just think he allows the creative players to express themselves. The best teams have balance, which is currently lacking, in my opinion, at Man Utd. While I like Carrick a lot as a player, I think he is stifled (and not completely suited to it) by his role as a holding midfielder. Fellaini is totally useless in a holding role, due to his lack of any kind of positional sense. Unless there is someone in the youth team I have missed, that only really leaves Jones to provide the balance, and he isn't good enough on the ball for that role, imo. Carvalho is a major step up from any of the current options, I feel. He is not going to provide hundreds of goals and assists each year, but he will provide a launch platform for Herrera, Mata etc to do damage from. He also is much more mobile than Carrick and Fellaini, so allows the fullbacks more freedom to get forward. I just see him as one of those players that makes the difference without being seen to make the difference, in a similar way to Makalele at Real Madrid.

So no, I don't see him taking risks or making the creative passes that start attacks either, but he will cut out the oppositions creative passes more readily than anyone currently at United. Which I feel is more of a weakness in this current squad than anything, as the youth team has a number of promising attack minded players that can push for a place.}

@Ed001

I see, that makes it clear. Thanks. I agree Carrick has been played in a role and tactics that he is not suited for in the last few years at United, hence hasn't looked the same since 2009.

Perhaps Carvalho could have a similar impact as Matic has had at Chelsea?

I would prefer someone like Vidal or Khedira to him though, they offer a lot more than him imo and do what he does equally well.

Carvalho sticks to the basics, does his job and is probably a coach's player on the pitch in which he never deflects from the tactical plan told to him from what I have seen. But for that kind of player, he is way overpriced I think.

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{Ed001's Note - Vidal would be wasted in a holding role, he is a true box to box midfielder, in my opinion the best on the planet. Khedira I don't think is anywhere near as good, I am not convinced he is anything special at all. I am yet to see him play well in the 20+ games I have watched him in. He is also not a player who wants to sit and protect a back four and tends to get caught out drifting up field.}

Top write up ed, much appreciated. In some ways I think he would be a better option than Vidal for us

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{Ed001's Note - I would say they were totally different players, but I do agree that Carvalho is probably more what United need. Herrera is able to play that box to box role very effectively.}

Ive seen a bit of carvallho, I like what I see to be honest, break it up, win it back, win the battle, give it simple to herrera and mata and let them do the rest, simple game :-)

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02 Jul 2014 15:46:59
REDFAITH,

Carrick was our best player behind RVP in the 12/13 season in which we won the title, wouldn't say he hasn't looked the same since 2009.

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@GDS2

I have been one of biggest fans of Carrick here and have defended him quite a few times. I agree he played well in that season, but I think we have seen him play better when given a more attacking role.

@Ed001

What I meant was that I do not like the idea of a pure defensive midfielder and would rather prefer having two box to box players sharing the attacking and defensive workload. I agree, Vidal is far too good to be played a pure DM.

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{Ed001's Note - ah ok, I would agree if you have one full back holding, but the likelihood is both will advance, so you need the cover.}

I hadn't thought about that! You are right. Although a part of me wants all out attack tactics, and 4-3 scorelines with United winning ofcourse! Quite natural I would say after the season we had under Moyes!

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02 Jul 2014 18:00:39
Thanks ed. I don't see us going for vidal as Herrera can play box to box.

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02 Jul 2014 14:16:25
Haven't posted for a while.

I think Shaw and Herrera is a great start to the summer rebuild. There has been lot of debate over who and how many we would sign.

Imo, we will aim to bring 3 more players in. There will definitely be one signing at center back imo, and the other two positions of left winger/right winger and another central midfield player will depend on a lot of other factors.

I feel we will make one final push for Hummels once Germany completes their world cup campaign and maybe then look at other options like Mangala/De Vrij/Vermaelen etc.

The winger depends on a lot of other factors like whether Barcelona and Liverpool can convince Sanchez to be included in a deal for Suarez, if they can't I believe we will make a cash offer and see if he wants to join. Konoplyanka may also be an option later on if he cannot find a Champions League team for himself. I suspect Di Maria could also come into the equation if Real Madrid manage to sign James Rodriguez.

As far as another central midfielder is concerned, it will again depend on if Juve manage to offload Pogba. If not I think Vidal would be a very realistic option and we would make him the best offer. A journalist whom I believe to be reliable has written an article that United have been quoted a price at which negotiations for Vidal could start. Perhaps like Sydney! says it may lead to Juve signing Sanchez. We will also push simultaneously for Carvalho imo, but a deal will depend if they are willing to negotiate. We might get one of Vidal or Carvalho, if any.

Will be very interesting to see who we sign, but one thing is for sure with the signings we have made and what we seem to have paid for them, the club is intent on spending big this summer and will probably do everything possible to sign the players Van Gaal wants. Ed Woodward said in his interview last year that we may lose out on players, but "we will not lose out on price" and that certainly seems to be the case this window.

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02 Jul 2014 14:46:25
I don't think people should be discounting Griezmann, we've had interest in him before good technical player with pace and skill. Would rather take him over Di Maria.

Having said that I would prefer us to get Sanchez out of the lot.

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Oz, we cannot discount Konoplyanka, Depay, Griezmann or Di Maria. All would improve us.

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@Ozwald

Griezmann is a very good option too. I agree.

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02 Jul 2014 14:16:19
anyone think it might be worth taking a chance on Micah Richards? (as backup of course)

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I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club always injured and seems more intrest in joking around than his career it's a shame as he had a lot of potential

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The last part of your comment Michael is why I thought he migh be worth a punt, could van gaal be the one to get something out of him?

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02 Jul 2014 13:37:32
Thanks ed's for your info on our growing list of supposed targets. Cuadrado, very talented player, took me completely by surprise.

I'm still very confused on our midfield targets (mainly because I find it very hard to believe Strootman isn't very high on LVG's wishlist) So back to our 2 most quoted targets Carvallho and Vidal. While its very possible and perhaps even probable we get neither. Does anyone have info on would we want/take both if negotiations went well or would it be one of the two?

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My guess would be that Carvalho would be the plan B if we're unable to get Vidal and Strootman the plan C if we can't negotiate with Lisbon for Carvalho.

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02 Jul 2014 11:11:20
I think we need to do all we can to sign Vidal. Signing Vidal would most probably prevent Chelsea getting Pogba and Liverpool getting Sanchez. It would be a good tactical move in more ways than one.

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Agreed on all counts. The fact that he's the best player in the world at what he does would be a nice bonus too!

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I have a sneaky feeling if we go all out and offer around the 40 mill mark to juve, we might get a deal done.

Bayern are filled with midfielders and he rejected bayern yo go to juve, real.madrid need to spend money on forward and kroos, and if its between us and chelsea then I think he might prefer us because of less competition in midfield as well as marshalling the midfield for years to come.

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Also with juves interest in evra we may have an upprr hand as they need an lb.

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Agree syd it would be a great signing on its own. But as you mentioned it would probably hinder the teams around us as well :)

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Vidal is 'the one' for that position. If Woodward pulls it off, I'll cry.

We certainly seem to be shopping at the right end of the market this time around. I doubt we'll get a Vidal, but we should have a solid plan B.

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02 Jul 2014 11:42:18
Really happy that will keane has signed a new four year deal.

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01 Jul 2014 20:43:14
Ed, I asked about a profile on Ander Herrera. The post is not seen anywhere? Anything offensive in knowing Ander? ;)

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{Ed001's Note - sorry mate, it has been added to the list.}

02 Jul 2014 18:14:27
Thanks Ed, just excited to know all the bad and some of the bad things about our so long awaited midfielder. :)

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02 Jul 2014 08:07:19
What about di maria joining us?

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Wonderful player, with all his running and dribbling at players. His final ball needs work, but a player like that brings so much to the team. Real Madrid would be foolish to let him go.

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I hope not.

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02 Jul 2014 00:45:51
anyone seen the trailer for the official kit release? great little video.
now the official release is 7/7/14 but lots of leaks flying around suggesting its the one with the big yellow chevrolet sign. imo it looks quite awul but hopefully it grows on me (if its official) hopefully adidas takes over soon, their kits tend to look more smart.
thoughts?

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If the leaked images are accurate I'm really not a fan. The home one might just be passable but the away kit somehow manages to be both bland and ugly at the same time.

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I like the most common leak, the one with the white/black collar, nice simple design and has all three United colours on there. The let down is the sponsor ligo, but can't complain given the money they are paying us!

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My mate works for a Sports wear company in Manchester, according to him the Gold Chevrolet sign is a must according to Chevrolet. Considering how much money there pouring in you can't really blame them . Also Adidas, Nike and Umbro are the only 3 kit suppliers left for the New shirt deal.

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Shame if the kits aren't the ones in red, white and black on Google Images, with the white logo and 'Cantona' on the back. The big gold Chevrolet is vile! Not a chance of me wearing that.

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02 Jul 2014 14:04:36
Somewhere in an untidy bedroom, in a house right beside OT, wearing a slightly stretched round the middle Joy Division t-shirt and brown and yellow y-fronts, is a 40 something year old man living with his mum, tearing what's left of his hair out, on reading this discussion.

I miss KLOOT.

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Post of the day Stevie - Pure class. The only thing missing from the conversation is "Live football @ Pubs". We all love KLOOTY and miss him :(

Deeps.

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StevieK -

If ever a post was worthy of a bag of gold coins - that was it!

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01 Jul 2014 23:59:36
Well after sticking up fro Fellaini it's plain to see he can be as rubbish for his national team as United
I cannot see a place for him at United unless he's miraculously made into a CB or something.We shall see how much of a miracle worker Van Gaal can be

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He must have been watching that tonight and thinking what am I supposed to do with him . That's how he has played for us every game he has played . God knows why we signed him - clueless!

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He'll stay for another season and then move on quietly. It's a shame as he's not a bad player. Unfortunately he isn't good enough for us and is certainly not good enough to play the style of football LVG will demand of his players.

He should have stayed at Everton.

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He would suit someone like WHU or QPR perfectly. They could both afford the fee and his wages too. But could Fellaini not sit in front of the back four if we couldn't get someone like Carvalho? It will be interesting to see what happens with him. I think R7 is probably right, he will probably stay for a season and then be sold.

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He looked absiolutely dreadfull last night.

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I think it says it all when our £27.5m player looks like he'd be more at home playing for some of the most limited teams in the league. But I think we're stuck with him unless we take a huge loss.

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