Manchester United Banter Archive July 02 2018

02 Jul 2018 23:50:00
Looks like Herera isn't going anywhere this year. he's such a likeable guy and glad he is staying.

02 Jul 2018 20:34:33
Fellaini showing why he is an important option for us to have if our plan A is not working. No doubt he is not first choice - behind Pogba, Fred and Matic. Need to get balls in the box? Bring him on.

02 Jul 2018 20:41:57
Always does .

02 Jul 2018 20:52:18
If some of our players showed as much heart as him they wouldve had a better season last year.

02 Jul 2018 20:56:02
Agreed Singh and 12days.

02 Jul 2018 20:57:13
I said it last week, that's what he is good at.

02 Jul 2018 21:02:07
The smile on his face was priceless.

02 Jul 2018 22:35:23
If Martial had Fellaini’s attitude he’d be a worldie. Alas he doesn’t and he isn’t.

02 Jul 2018 23:51:35
Hit the nails on the heads Eric.

02 Jul 2018 16:55:25
I wasn't saying i'd want Southgate as manager just putting his name out there as another possibility.

I think the succession has to be considered as part of this site can't see Jose making it into 2019 and most of the rest don't expect him to go beyond summer of 2020. So we have likely 2 years to identify a shortlist.

Every contender has good or bad points. Straight off the bat we can discount Gerrard. Lampard however could be an outside chance. Respected, intelligent and taken an interesting first job. Southgate didn't pull up any trees in club management but that was an early role. Seems intelligent, again respected and ok its international football but the style isn't dire. Giggs knows the club backwards but we've not seen him do much apart from his caretaker stint. Most of the top foreign managers all seem to be starting new jobs this summer so anything before 2021 might be too soon. I would have Jardim on the shortlist.

02 Jul 2018 17:31:57
International football is different to club football but I like what Southgate is trying to do. Be brave, attack, be a team. Morale seems great, no cliques like there used to be and he plays people in the right positions. Not afraid to make tough decisions, I really hope this team does something, maybe not his time but certainly in 2 years.

02 Jul 2018 21:18:40
Not sure how that got so many dislikes. Must have a fan club.

02 Jul 2018 14:48:58
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Jamie Vardy

02 Jul 2018 20:48:45
I like Vardy Ed, I remember when we lost at Leicester when ADM was playing for us. He never stopped running and scared the pants off our defence. He may be one dimensional but he has scored some stunning goals. I love how he has made the most of what he has.

{Ed001's Note - I just find him a thoroughly dislikeable person but he is a good player. He makes the absolute most of his talent. If only more players did that, there are some out there that are much more talented but would be miles behind him in terms of what they actually offer on the pitch.}

02 Jul 2018 21:11:26
I remember an interview with Frank Stapleton years ago (the youngsters will need to google him) . He knew he wasn’t as naturally talented as those around him so he practiced more than anyone else and squeezed every last drop of talent that he had out of his body. Ronaldo is the same: clearly he is very talented but his commitment to be the best is clear to see. Eric was the same and he also instilled it in the youngsters, hence his huge impact.

I get peed off at those who have talent but can’t be arsed to use it or develop it to it’s potential. There are so many of them.

02 Jul 2018 22:36:55
Aka Martial.

03 Jul 2018 06:43:54
Same with Gary Neville, his autobiography really gives you the sense of what its like for a kid at a big club. saw there were better players and told himself he would train harder, faster than anyone else and work on all his weak points and if he didn't make it then he'd done all he could . even winning all he did he still knew he was good or very good . just not the best but no one could accuse him of being easy to play against.

02 Jul 2018 13:03:05
Why are many Utd fans up in arms over Lee Grant signing? Seems like they want Oblak or Alisson as 3rd choice keeper, my word. Makes sense, Free transfer, cheap on wages, PL proven and experienced and it gives J. Pereira and D. Henderson the chance to get a loan move, fans want a big name signing it seems, fickle.

02 Jul 2018 13:13:38
Think most fans want to see a youngster there. Tbh I’m not fussed either way. It’s a win win for me either way. It allows pereira to go on loan and get so valuable playing time which he is unlikely to get for us. No point him sitting on the bench and not gaining any experience. Grant is average but he is there as cover as a last resort. He will hardly play so it doesn’t really matter.

02 Jul 2018 13:31:37
Strange one for me Scholes, people seem to want a youngster there not getting any game time when they could be out learning their trade in competitive games. Seems a decent, cheap 3rd choice to me, experienced which will help, no issues for me at all.

02 Jul 2018 13:33:36
My issue is that the third choice keeper only ever plays if the first two are injured. So in reality they will never get a game in the first team, so more often than not then end up playing games for the under 23's to keep match sharp.

I don't see the point in having a 35yo average at best keeper in that position. It might as well be a youngster like O'Hara, while Henderson and Pereria go out on loan. There are rules in place which allows you to bring in an emergency goalkeeper outside of the transfer of window if all your first teams keepers are injured. So I see no need to have someone like Grant at the club taking minutes away from our youngsters at under 23 level, while earning more money than a youngster would receive to in reality never play for the club.

I see it as a waste of time and resources while also impeding the development of our young goalkeepers. The problem for young goalkeepers is that there is only one position for you to play in, so it's really tough getting minutes to progress and improve. It's not like being a CB and filling in at full back, or being a striker and playing out wide, or being a defender pushed up into midfield to cover. For goalkeepers its your position or nothing.

I think it shows a poor mentality to restrict the progression of our young players for a third choice keeper.

02 Jul 2018 15:22:03
Perhaps young O’hara might go out on loan leaving kovar to play for the 23s. No one knows what’s happening with the transfers bar Mourinho and Woodward. It is highly possible that they want to develop henderson, pereria and o’hara on loan. If that is the case then Lee Grant makes sense as a signing. We also don’t know what he’s like on the training ground, he’s been around for a while so will have good experience, something which could also be invaluable, and if that’s the case I’m all for it.
The united fan base gets so divided over things like this at the moment and it shouldn’t be the case. We have two top class keepers, let the younger ones develop on loan. Also Grant isn’t a bad keeper either, seem to remember him having an absolute stormer a couple of seasons ago at OT.

02 Jul 2018 19:47:28
Caolan,

There is very little to moan about at the moment and the World Cup is on so every little thing becomes a huge drama, Fellaini and now Lee Grant, might as well write the season off etc.

02 Jul 2018 21:02:05
I agree GDS. Getting fed up with some of the negativity at the moment. Everything comes back to the manager, Woodward etc. Let’s maybe be optimistic and see what happens?!

02 Jul 2018 09:27:09
Saw the thread about giggs as manager and wondered what people's thoughts are on how much it matters for uniteds boss being someone of integrety or a person of good character? . Not asking for the boards view but your view.

Should the bosses personal life ie bedding his brothers missus matter?

Should/ shouldn't John Terry been dropped/ lost captaincy for England for bedding bridges missus?

Charlton didn't want Jose for non footballing reasons, just how he conducts himself is he right or is that an old fashioned view?

Curious for thoughts.

02 Jul 2018 10:04:42
Good questions mate. Usually when it comes to a player my view is I don’t give a damn what they do off the pitch as long as they are performing on it. In some ways I would apply that to the manager but I think it depends how on an individual’s perception of an integrous/ good person.

In some people’s eyes, Jose would not be a man who conducts himself with integrity (sir bobby’s view), whilst in others he does. If Giggs were to get the job I wouldn’t discount him based on his adultering past. Of course that’s not to say I condone adultery!

There are a few things where I would object. And they are obviously racism, sexism and homophobia. We as a club are a massive worldwide brand with a huge influence on millions upon millions of people. To have a manager that displays any of these traits would tarnish our reputation. I remember ed001 saying that sarri has said a few homophobic and sexist comments here and there. Perhaps it is culturally different in Italy, but I would have issues with him being manager based on those sorts of things.

Someone that likes the media games and causing angst for other managers on the touch line is fine for me. I like to see a bit of bite and a fiery side to my manager when he is on the touch line or the media room.

02 Jul 2018 10:40:08
Yes a manager's personal life needs to be considered. They are responsible for managing many complex personalities and are more of a representative of the club, (press conferences etc) . If they are up to no good, or have a low moral compass then that can effect the people beneath them and also bring the club into disrepute. With Giggs in particular his unfortunate decision making becoming public highlights what he is capable of, nobody knows what else he has done but unfortunately for him the suspicion is always there and the stain on his character will be permanent.

Everybody makes mistakes and there will be mitigating circumstances, but then there are roles outside of public scrutiny. If you want a high profile job then you need to ensure your public image is as clean as possible nowadays if you intend to make it.

Players are different as they aren't as important. Don't know much about Terry's case but I'm sure I read that the woman in question was the ex-girlfriend not current girlfriend of Bridge, BIG difference, still not ideal but on the face of it nowhere near as bad as Giggs situation.

We see that the team often reflects their manager. Our performances are erratic consistency wise, negative, several players seem to lack full commitment to the cause and everything seems to have a temporary feel to it for me. This is similar to Mourinho's current media persona and the impression he has given me since his tenure commenced!

02 Jul 2018 13:03:36
At least the players would know where Giggs was on match day.

02 Jul 2018 13:11:02
To be honest I think we will have to wait and see how he does, it just guess work if you haven't worked with him .
He is expected to do well tho but only time will tell.

02 Jul 2018 15:16:54
Players and managers are very different in their roles and what it means to be in that role.

Managers aren't just employees, they are the leader and key figure head of the organisation. They are the role model for those they manage and as such they set the standard of what should be expected.

Therefore, a deplorable human being in a role like that sets a pretty low bar for the players and sends out a poor message to fans and supporters around the globe.

I love Giggs, he was a fantastic player for us and has given me some wonderful memories of watching my club.

However, I don't think we will make a great manager. He might talk a good game, and it is easy to say that he suggested this player or that player, or he would do things differently. But it's all talk and no action. He needs to go out there and show he can do it differently and be a success as a manager.

The ghosts of his past will likely haunt him throughout his career as a manager. Imagine what would he say if he was managing a group of players and a situation like the one between John Terry and Wayne Bridge pops up. How is he supposed to handle that? How can he solve that issue without being a massive hypocrite? Can he console the player who has been wronged when that player knows that Giggs himself has done that to his own brother? An issue like that can tear apart a dressing room and Giggs would have no higher ground to stand and bring that dressing room back together.

02 Jul 2018 16:00:48
Shappy
He would probably say been there done that here's some advice .