Manchester United Banter Archive June 02 2011

02 Jun 2011 22:52:51
Question time

Do we sell Berba or keep him for another year?

I have heard a ton of people (not from this site, we are all too smart :) ) saying we should hold on to him to maximize our investment in him.

My thoughts: Keeping him for 1 more year will not maximize their investment; selling him will. Berba is not getting any younger and will definitely not be as good next season. With young guns ready to step up (Welbeck, Diouf, Macheda although he will probably leave) Berba's playing time will only get smaller. If we keep him for one more year, he's resell value will fall tremendously. He is on a large wage bill as well which would give some breathing space in the finances.

Thoughts Syd, Red Knight, MPez, Matthew, 007, etc?

B {Ed007's Note - I think it is time for him to move on, good luck to him}

02 Jun 2011 21:47:04
A bit confused in terms of Sanchez. With Young seemingly very likely to sign, surely Sanchez isn't coming here? Unless it's all a smoke screen. ? Whatcha reckon Ed?

Rudderpost {Ed004's Note - I don't know what to think anymore, hopefully Sanchez is signed though}

02 Jun 2011 21:10:18
with de gea signing (hopefully) there was talk on the site about bringing in another spanish lad. From reading on here did we not have a bid for morata turned down in jan and are we not interested in javi martinez? I've not seen anything of morata but read he is like a morientes (spelling) hopefully the one before he came to liverpool. And javi martinez is exactly what i believe we need, and modric. Thoughts anyone? Tom

02 Jun 2011 20:54:21
No forward will be brought as we will have
Rooney, Berbatov, hernandez, wellbeck, macheda(maybe lone), diouf

All these people saying we don't need a striker because we have these apart from rooney and henandez the others are not really going to worry Barcelona are they. If Fergie wants to give barca a game for more than 5 mins he needs at least 3 world class strikers factstat.com

02 Jun 2011 20:33:16
Why not go all out and pay whatever it takes to get Fabregas. There's very few players in the world like him.

is that why he can't get in the spain team.

02 Jun 2011 20:11:35
Naughto'matic,

how reliable are you informations about De Gea, Sneijder and Sanchez?

02 Jun 2011 19:16:23
is mike owen VALUE IN THE MARKET , mike jwak sydney etc etc i think rainfish is shading the debate already , i know its early days in the transfer window but its a really dull start .

02 Jun 2011 18:58:42
Lionel Messi


Apps Goals Assists
269 180 73

Cristiano Ronaldo

Apps Goals Assists
412 209 83

Although Statistics are like a drunk with a lampost, used more for support than illumination.

Who is the better for me Ronaldo because he has done it in this country and he is doing it in a poor real madrid team, I like messi but he is playing in the best team in the world at the moment and I think I could score 10 goals in that team.

Believe for Ronaldo
Unbelieve for Messi

02 Jun 2011 17:38:54
There's a hell of a lot of pessimism been posted on here in the last couple of days over transfers and the fact that Michael Owen has signed a new deal. Firstly I don't mind Owen signing a new deal as he is an experienced striker who all of our strikers could learn a thing or two from. Even Rooney in terms of out and out strikers play, not that he plays that role to often nowadays but still. On the other point fo transfers I will stay optimistic until proven otherwise. If I am proven otherwise however I will be be devastated. I still think we will sign a big name to replace Scholes and not just some budget player. De Gea is pretty much done, a big name to replace Scholes, another midfielder and a striker would be fantastic. I'll be happy to take 3 of the 4 though.

Rjmanutd

02 Jun 2011 17:21:51
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1371703/Manchester-United-option-Angelo-Henriquez-Chilean-striker.html

Here is the link to the ANGELO HENRIQUEZ deal. I hope it answers a few people's questions and it proves what I said to be true.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - You will likely need to remove a number of speces from the URL.}
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Also to answer a previous question, United have first option on Henriquez, the fee has already been agreed, so the selling club cannot haggle any further if he starts showing world class performances in the next year or two. So he has 'all but signed' the difference is that say he brakes a leg or something worse happens to him while in Chile, we have not lost any money.

It's a clever way of doing business. I advise people to check him out on Youtube, he is 99.9% a United player.

Sydney!

02 Jun 2011 17:03:52
Ed002, were you never taught about using paragraphs when writing essays?

02 Jun 2011 16:36:54
I am afraid to say that I think some of the posts on here might be correct. I really hope we sign some of these players we are being linked with, but I cannot see it happening. Gill was talking about a big summer in an effort to get us to renew our season tickets, that deadline is on 12th June and it will be all talk up till then. After they have got our money out of us with promises of 'big players' the likes of Nani will leave for around £25m and we will bring in Young for £16m, and we will not get any marque signings.

I hope I am wrong but I have that familiar feeling!

Bazza

02 Jun 2011 16:33:50
Guys, Higuain will sell for more than £15m, disregard what Real Madrid feed to the media, they also said eight months ago that Benzema could be sold for a cut-price £12m. It's all bollocks.

If Higuain is on the market, he will sell for a minimum of £25m. He would still be looked at closely by us I am sure, but I think we are more likely to sign Morata if anyone. £10m for Morata maybe a little too much for Real to turn down.

Sydney!

02 Jun 2011 16:10:50
we need top players to stay at the top. So tha means no adam or henderson. Need a good defender for cover. A rock and playmaker in midfield. And sanchez would be final piece, this player will be a star. The team nxt year. De gae. Rafael, vidic, rio, evra. Sanchez. Modric. Diarra/rodwell. Nani. Rooney with one of the followin: Hernandez/benzema/neymar

02 Jun 2011 14:40:11
So far were going to sign. . Kaka, Varane, de Gea, Lukaku, Modric, P.Jones, Rodwell, Young, Adam, Aguero, Honda, Jelavic, De Rossi, Ronaldo, Henderson, Snejider, Nasri, Velouso, Rossi, Costa, Gervinho. . and so on.

Get real people, We've got no money. Fergie desperatly tried to get Scholes and Van der Saar to sign for 1 more season, Owen was handed a new deal, Sad to say but we are just going to fall behind in this transfer market because its a given fact that chelsea, man city, liverpool and even arsenal are going to spend BIG. As a united fan of 20 yeras im getting sick of it now, wer suppost to be the biggest club in the world, i won't be suprised if by the start of the season weve only signed de gea, varane (never heard of him) and ashley young (not good enough)

02 Jun 2011 13:47:44
(ED post it in Banter Section)
This could be our team for the next season:


- - - - - - - - De Gea

Twin- - - - Rio- - - - Vida- - - -Evra


Toni/Fletch- - - -Sneijder- - - - Modric


- - Higuain- - - -Wazza- - - -NaniI think Higuain is worth the 15 million that Madrid are asking for him(maybe even 18-20)

As much as i love Chicha i don't think his passing is good enough. . . . his clinicality is whats good about him but i'm sure Higuain would offer more than him in an overall perspective + he's only 23(10th december 1987) so has a sell on value. . .

MUMBAI_BOY

02 Jun 2011 13:14:26
I think we can expect Owen to continue as our no 7 next season, but, if he is handed a different number who do you think could, should become our new no 7?

02 Jun 2011 12:30:28
Do you think Anderson is capable of playing like he did for porto for united, on the left in a 433 system or do you think injuries have made him slower and the fact he is a bit overweight, do you think he will become a world great like his potential promised.

02 Jun 2011 11:26:55
Oh My God! SAMIR NASRI IS NOT JOINING AN ENGLISH TEAM! ! ! He'll either sign for a foreign team or stay at Arsenal

02 Jun 2011 11:02:39
Ed, regarding the wage of player n staff in Football Manager, is it real or the SI staff just made it up? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, I have never seen it.}

02 Jun 2011 10:47:13
Why are people linking all the Liverpool targets with United? Charlie Adam, Ashley Young and now Stuart Downing? These are all Liverpool targets not United targets!
Yeah Fergie is interested in Young but only as a transfer to fall back on if a deal for someone else doesn't go through and if he is still available.
Dimitar Berbatov has turned round and told SAF he wants to stay now. But, he will still go as SAF didn't like his attitude when he was told he wouldn't be starting in the champions league final. Newcastle are lining up a £7.5m bid for him. . Juventus and Bayern Munich also interested.
Either Modric or Sneijder will sign for United in this transfer window. . 100% fact!

02 Jun 2011 08:41:35
firstly there seems to be aalot of people on here talking complete nonesense. in my opinion i believe it to be a great idea signing owen for another year. so what he getting on, he has cost nothing freeing up money for other signings, that's right money which we oviously have. hes experienced, he will score goals when he plays and hes happy twidling his thumbs on the bench. i know who i would rather have if we were in an injury crisis.

secondly i believe that there will be one or two midfielders signed doesn't (brain surgeon hey) i believe this is pretty obvious! ! a young defender varane sounds certainty. and maybe a forward with what lokks the possible departure of the diminative dimitar. with the youth cup squad having small amounts of game time. they are gifted but IMO just not ready for a huge role just yet 12mnths away. Keeper looks nailed on with DeGea again building for the future and also good enough to play now rather than an older keeper who is not as good.

02 Jun 2011 08:27:38
When I found out on the MUFC website that we wanted L.Diarra and Modric I looked at them both on youtube and they are both quality!

02 Jun 2011 07:53:50
i hope your right syd cus if i'm right and its any player who will be 21 by the 1st of january 2012 then you can add De Gea Amos Fabio Rafael Gill Obertan Bebe and Drinkwater to that list as well. Although i do expect a few from that list to leave either on loan or permanently. Wat is the exact rule on under 21yo players and the 25 man squad?
Shappy

02 Jun 2011 05:41:12
Well imo alex chamberlane is a really exiting player. . .defo one for the future. .
Well lets just admit fergie won't buy 2 world class mids. .
Maybe one
expect that to be
lassana diarra or modric

-Dj-

02 Jun 2011 02:39:16
People say we have no money? The bank says different and we all know the amount will be around 150-170m. Now i'm not saying it will all be spent or even half but there is money available.

Vds
Nev
Scholes
Hargreaves
Kuszczak
Brown

With the above leaving that reduces the wage bill. At least one quality player needs to come in to replace Scholes. The question is what does SAF class as quality? Sneijder? Modric? or is Adam good enough to do a job as a squad player? I think we should trust SAF to bring in the right players. The Glazers need to allow SAF to spend what he feels is needed to improve the squad. I feel confident about the summer signings so sit back relax and be prepared for big changes for the good.

DMADSY

02 Jun 2011 00:58:06
Why is everyone saying were gonna pick up all the same position players? We don't need 3 wingers and 3 mid. If we get modric :), a. Young :(, and a defender we will be set. We don't need to add sneider, de rossi, Adam, m'vila, nasri, Sanchez, and quite possibly every other mid player in europe {Ed007's Note - "sneider, de rossi, Adam, m'vila, nasri, Sanchez,". Just for fun can anyone spot the odd one out here? Hhhhmmmm.....}

02 Jun 2011 00:31:49
01 Jun 2011 18:23:04
michael owen signing new deal tells me everything i already new is that our days of spending big are over forget schneijder, modric, sanchez we will bring in players that in my oponion are not as good as we have ie.young, adam and varane so please don't think we are signing modric we don't have the money

R - On one level I'd be tempted to agree, but seeing as Welbeck, Macheda and Diouf are likely returning, and it looks as though Berbatov is staying, £30m strikers really aren't needed (look at Barca, after their starting team what is in reserve?)There is no point in signing players for the sake of flaunting cash (Man City). Resigning Owen only makes available MORE funds to sign top quality mid fielders, an area of the United team which needs strengthening more than the front line.

- - On another front United have hit an apparent stumbling block as Atletico aren't negotiating a deal below the full amount of De Gea's buy out clause, United don't want to pay the full sum because he doesn't have long left on his contract.

That's everything new from my end, again from a middle man, nothing is concrete.

MJ

02 Jun 2011 00:29:47
If owens staying does that put an end to ronaldo return rumours as I'm sure he'd only wear number 7.