Manchester United Banter Archive March 02 2013

02 Mar 2013 23:01:59
Is there anymore Japanese players we can sign? {Ed004's Note - Maybe Son?}

Hi Ed,

Isn't he Korean? {Ed002's Note - He is.}

Honda

Mitsubishi?

02 Mar 2013 22:58:26
"As far as I am aware, there is �nothing in it at all. Ronaldo has got two years left on his contract and it seems to me it is all part of the �negotiations that are going on about a new deal.

"Maybe his agent is playing the game.

"I think it is false hope. Cristiano will get a good reception. All our former players, especially the ones who have been great for this club, get a good �reception when they return. " Fergy

What do you make of these comments?

Imo ronaldo and his agent are looking for the best possible contract from madrid.

Jred, couldn't agree more. If RM offered him what he wants he will stay. I heard he wants much more than Messi is getting.

Sydney!

02 Mar 2013 22:18:54
If we look at Rooney's first 70 minutes, he was very poor IMO. He gave possession away too many times compared to his usual amount. He made many stupid decisions and kept making stupid flicks to nobody. And finally he kept making the wrong runs and ruining an attack.

But once he got an assist and Norwich started to tire and give up, he slowly came into the game and managed to produce two assists and score a world class goal.

But now people have covered his mediocre performance by his goals and assists.

I just hope he continues his little bit of form from his last 20 minutes from today and slowly regain his reputation as the Wayne Rooney we used to know. I love the guy and I have spoken to him on an occasion and he seems like a nice fella, but he needs to find his form again and work his hardest to prove he is better than RVP.

Overall happy with today's performance, it shows possession football can tire the opposition and finally break them apart.

Also I am Happy for Shinji, finally showing his class that we all knew he had, hopefully he can continue to adapt to the English lifestyle and football and start to progress here.

Have a nice few days lads! Buzzing for the Real Madrid game, hopefully we win by more than one goal, would make my day!

9 People disagree, but still no one can reply with an valid argument, says it all really.

You lot have been blinded by his goal over the rest of his performance.

-JakeW

Was anyone else playing particularly well in the first 70 minutes? No. The whole team was finding it hard to get past a well drilled Norwich defence. But nobody is criticizing the whole team, people just pick on Rooney

Compared to Robin Van Persie, Rooney made 64 passes, RVP made 16, Rooney had an 80% pass success, RVP 81%. Rooney created 5 chances and got 2 assists. The majority of Rooney's passes that were given away were in our attacking third and short, penetrating passes to create opportunities, Norwich compact the edge of the box to make this difficult so these passes must be inch perfect.

When teams play United, Rooney is a threat and teams set out to stop him playing but by doing this, it allowed Kagawa to drift into the box resulting in a Hatrick for the lad.

The problem is JakeW, you criticise people praising Rooney for what he did well but all you have done is point out minimal mistakes that all players make in a game rather then looking at the whole 90 minutes.

Rooney created more chances then any other United player in the game, he is an important player to the team and if you ask United players I'm sure they appreciate him a heck of a lot more then some people on here.

It seems people expect miracles, we won 4 :0 Rooney had 2 assists and in your own words scored a worldclass goals.
We played good possession football tired the opposition out and then had players of the class of Rooney to finish them off at the end.
Did Rooney have a world class game well no to be honest he was just directly involved in 3 of our 4 goals.
Has Rooney had a great season again no but he has been directly involved in 20 goals in our last 20 games.
Look at some of the best strikers ever, they would only really get involved a few times during a game but would score and that would be enough.
It seems Rooney has to cover every blade of grass not miss a tackle score a couple of goals never give the ball away just to reach the level of having a good game.

If rvp had of had a quite game and only contributed 2 assist and a world class goal I will guarantee that some people's assessment of his performance would of been in stark contrast to Rooney

Good post Ports. Sure, Rooney looks sloppy at times which is frustrating but if you are able to get past that he consistently causes problems to defences and gets his rewards through assists and goals on top of other chances created.

Jake - Carrick and Kagawa aside who was better than Rooney yesterday over 90 mins? How did RVP get on in your opinion?

02 Mar 2013 21:24:13
i think we should play the same team against madrid unless jones is injured, if so bring in cleverley.

02 Mar 2013 20:15:33
I remember the season when ronaldo left and there was a lot of pressure rooney to score the goals which he did and was truly worldclass but since the 2010 world cup when england where a. shambles and his matters outside of life were all over the papers he has never' been the seem player and has losy the consistency that made him a world class player. ATM he is a very good player and has the tools IMO to be a great creative midfielder when he eventually gets to the age'
Edd004 what do you think reguarding my post on rooney?

Big Al {Ed004's Note - I'm still not sure whether I want him sold or not. I think we are witnessing his slow decline ATM but he is still very effective on his day. However I would like to see him sold but only if we were to sign any 2 of the following (taking into consideration Nani will be sold IMO} Gotze, bale, Ronaldo, Isco, Rodriguez, or Ozil. I would happily move kagawa inside and if we signed Lewamdowski as well it would still mean we have cover for Kagawa as RVP can drop deep and all those players I suggested are fluid and can play anywhere in the front four}

Kagawa look brilliant when behind rooney today.
if we did sell rooney I would bring in ozil, strootman and rodriguez. also sell valencia and keep nani.

front four of this would be nice
RVP
Ozil Kagawa Rodriguez {Ed004's Note - I don't know but I would prefer another right footed player in that attack}

True ed, but lefties are the best.

02 Mar 2013 19:26:41
hi ed004 who is waldorf and stadler, zee:) {Ed004's Note - Two old puppets that always argue}

I prefer grumpy aul muppets, Ed :)

:)zee

02 Mar 2013 19:09:47
Rooney's goal today was very similar to the one that he scored against arsenal all them years ago.

The Devil

02 Mar 2013 18:20:51
ok guys, this is my team four the real madrid game, would like to know witch team u guys think should play on tuesday.
ddg

rafael ferdinand vidic evra

nani carrick kawaga giggs

rvp rooney


and on the bench me, zee:) {Ed004's Note - Too open in the midfield mate}

De gea rafael Ferdinand Evans Vera carrick cleverley nani kagawa RVP Rooney


TRUMORS

Ddg

rafa rio vidic evra

nani carrick cleverly young

rvp rooney

De Gea

Rafael Evans Vidic Evra

Jones Carrick

Nani Rooney Kagawa

van Persie

Ddg

rafa rio vidic evra

carrick cleverley

kagawa rooney welbeck

RVP

Ruudinthemood

Thanks guys, have a nice day zee:)

__________DDG
Rafael__Vidic__Evans__Evra
______Jones__Carrick
Rooney___Kagawa____Welbeck
__________RVP

That for me would be our strongest line up. If Nani was odds on to play well then I'd start him instead of Welbeck, however there is no guarantee of that.

DDg

raf rio evans evra

carrick jones

rooney kagawa giggs

Rvp

If Jones is not fit, we need Valencia to keep Cristiano in check. I would change Fresh's formation by putting Cleverley alongside Carrick and replacing Welbeck with Valencia. The team would be very similar to today's team with Rafael and Cleverley replacing Anderson and Smalling.

02 Mar 2013 17:32:46
Kagawa may have scored a hat trick but there were at least 3 occasions of several seconds when he drifted out of the game. Simply not good enough. DDG had a dreadful game, couldn't make a save today to save his life. And Carrick, sheesh stop with all the accurate passing. :-)

Have'nt seen game yet as was at work but i'm sure I read we won 4:0 and kags got a hatrick so hope this is a sarcastic wind up? United99 {Ed004's Note - Yes Sarcasm which is lost on some people on here, had to delete a few posts haha}

Don't forget Evans being out of position constantly. All his driving runs ;)

Sydney!

We're starting to sound like Waldorf and Stadler :)

02 Mar 2013 18:39:37
Only last season some were claiming he was the best winger in the prem! He has lost form, in fact all of our wingers have been off form this season, it happens. He hasn't been 'figured out' in my opinion, its not like he has been about for 5 minutes!

Whistler.

02 Mar 2013 18:56:55
Ronney misplace passes and why did he score such goal when passing is the best option:)

And why does Rooney feel the need to score a beauty outside the box for? Waste of space he is!

-JakeW

Well I think its quite obvious that rooneys goal was a misplaced pass! Sell him now

03 Mar 2013 00:05:12
Haha. I would sell everyone and buy everyone else.

EkD.

02 Mar 2013 17:22:00
God we are such a one man team with shinji kagawa

02 Mar 2013 17:10:48
Rooney played well. Got to admit I'm a fan of his although many aren't

GD

02 Mar 2013 17:02:05
Kagawa, I did tell you do ;)
SK

02 Mar 2013 17:01:30
wow hattrick hero kawaga and rooney had 2 assist, well city where we lucky today, norwich had 0 chance'es:)united. united. ggmu, zee;)btw think kawaga is starting to adapt at oldtrafford, keep it up kawaga:)

02 Mar 2013 17:00:23
Very impressed with how patient and professional we were today

Rooney had a great second half!

Kagawa looks like he is starting to settle, His finishing was top draw!, and looks very cool and impressive on the ball!

The whole team performed well! bring on Real madrid

Big V

02 Mar 2013 16:54:20
Nicely done Rooney. Hopefully this shows people what he is still capable of. More input like this on Tues please! Chuffed for Kagawa too.

Kagawa looks so calm in front of goal, his finishing is top notch.

Twenty good mins against Norwich does not make Rooney a world beater. He's been disappointing enough times this season so about time he showed something!
Let's see how good he is against Real.

Almost sounds asif u want him to fail against madrid? The lad has carried our team at different parts of previous seasons and u can never question his workrate? I agree he been below his usual standards this season but we had other players step up this season so give the lad a break and 4 me he going t b regarded as a utd legend when hangs up his boots. United99

I didn't say he was a world beater. I agree he needs to show his ability on Tuesday now to show he can get back to top form. Great contribution today though.

Rooney had a good second half today but you can't say that suddenly he's back to his best. People can get lost in stats about creating goals or chances but tell me when you've watched United in the last 3 years and walked away talking about Rooney being unplayable, I would suggest you would struggle. As long as he's here I will support him but if a big bid came in then I would take it.

Big G

03 Mar 2013 00:07:47
Lets just sell all our players and stick 11 piles of cash on the pitch for next season.

EkD.

02 Mar 2013 16:41:47
Oh, if only young Danny had an ounce of Kagawa's coolness in front of goal. Such a calm, assured finish for the second.

Keep off welbeck, he played well when he came on.

Ok Mrs Wellbeck.

Who said anything about how well he did or didn't play today? The point was, that as a striker, he doesn't possess much coolness in front of goal in general.

Quite simple really. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.

Agree with steve, most uncoordinated guy with the ball at his feet in the box. you sometimes don't need a defender as he is well capable of tripping himself up on his own lol.

shahram

02 Mar 2013 16:36:36
We have been shocking in possession today. the passing has been horrible and the obsession of constantly trying to flick the ball or one two it 10 yards out from goal is terrible just put your foot through the ball and test the keeper.

Cant agree thought we played some lovely football today some people think you should win 5- 0 everyweek

02 Mar 2013 16:03:54
The frustrating thing about Rooney is that he doesn't seem to be mentally into all the games the last couple of years. He seems to play his best against the better teams and checks out vs lessor teams.

02 Mar 2013 15:55:22
Amazing play. Just amazing. Rock solid defensivly and the trio of Rooney, Kagawa and Van perisie are looking dangerous every time they get forward.

Kagawa looks to be finding his form, and so is Valencia. The second Nani gets some form back, Valencia starts playing like a man posessed. How unlikely is it that Valencia crosses with his left foot, I repeat, left foot, and it results in a goal.

Kagawa is finally finding his place in the team organising attacks and interchanging with Rooney and Van persie.

Carrick, dear me. He is just so classy with the ball. When Ferguson said its time for him to step up and the team should be built around him, I actually thought he was losing it. He's been proving his doubters wrong to say the least. {Ed004's Note - I thought Valencia has been poor so far, he has been the worst off the attacking 4 and hasn't offered much I'm hoping Nani comes on to see how he would play in this formation}

What game you been watching?

Valencia is having a terrible game. The cross for the goal shows he has a left foot, why doesn't he use it more often? Maybe he didn't realise it?

Kagawa has also been poor. Goal aside

Rooney's first touch is terrible and he looks a yard off the pace.

Bring on Nani and Welbeck, take off RVP and Valencia

RedDub

Valencia has been dreadful to say the least. He has had numerous crossing chances and they have been all over the place. I want to see Nani brought on to see him link up with Kagawa and Co.

Are u watching the same game? Valencia has not got past his man with any conviction. Kagawa seeing a lot of the ball but done nothing with it. Rvp not got his shooting boots on.
I think Norwich have looked comfortable and are back in the game, we are playing at pedestrian pace just like I said.
This is not over.
Nomidfield

I think this has been Valencia
s best performance this season ( which I realise is not saying much ). His crossing is still wayward to a certain degree but he looks more confident. And I think he has been around the same level as Rooney this game. Still not as good as last year but hopefully he will kick on.

The second half is rather boring. We are beeing pinned back.

Oh dear boys. Hyper critical to say the least.

Kuala

NoMidfield, is it over yet?

02 Mar 2013 15:53:57
yeeeeeeessssssssssss, kawaga lol:) zee

02 Mar 2013 15:35:54
Right once again we are doing what we do best. Trying to walk the ball in to the net! Take a shot ffs! I swear Rooney just thinks i'm going to see how many dummies and flicks I can do in the game and Andersons passing has been dreadful

02 Mar 2013 14:24:51
Who the hell chooses the music played at old Trafford before kick off?

I've been saying that for a long time, m they turn the music up so much that the crowd go quiet and then they suddenly turn the music off and the atmosphere is as flat as a pancake. They should change this.
Nimidfield

02 Mar 2013 13:22:36
In the lime bar if anyone is buying?

Getting some Dutch courage for the streaker show honey badger has requested ;)

Enjoy yourself mate. And keep your keks on!

02 Mar 2013 11:18:04
I don't get how people see Moyes as a genuine contender for the United job. People try to draw parallels with Fergie that just aren't there. Fergie took a small mid table club and turned them into the best club in the country breaking the dominance of two teams thought to be invincible. And won a european trophy along the way beating Madrid. What has Moyes achieved? Avoiding relegation for ten years, and an fa cup final. Well done. Tony Pulis has achieved the same at Stoke but none of you want him as manager. Same style of football as well. I get Moyes hasn't had as much money as other managers, and has done well in the bargain bins but is that really a quality we need in a United manager? I'd actually worry about handing him fifty million in the summer. I don't think he'd handle the pressure either. I also think with so many top class managers around if we went for Moyes what would that look like? Lastly after ten years how many games has he won against United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and City. Look up the answer and tell me if you think that's good enough.

Agree, with a new manager required to continue continuity, that requires someone who regularly wins trophies at the highest level, there are only a handful of candidates with enough experience an I think Moyes would have a handful at least in front of him for example pep (if its following summer), Mourinho, capello, lippi, Ancelotti, Van Gaal just to name a few.

Supasub

Blanc? Klopp? Lowe? Laudrup?

I would love Capello to become Utd manager.

The Irish Rover

I like those suggestions Mort and there are others not mentioned but not a lot has been won amongst them including people like Bielsa and Pellegrino. Look at AVB for instance who was hot property. Some might not like it and I'm not sure how it would sit with me but I think Wenger could be in the mix who never gets mentioned as far as i'm aware and despite recent years he has won a considerable amount of trophies and plays good football in the same sort of spirit as our club. My first choice would be Mourinho. I loved the sort of siege mentality out club had during periods in the last 15 to 20 years and I think he could create the same atmosphere. Forget his character a little, I don't remember SAF being loved by the masses and always humble keeping his opinions too himself.

Supasub

Moyes cannot be considered. End of.

02 Mar 2013 11:05:50
For those with Sky etc the under 18s are playing live on MUTV as I post this and its free to watch

U21's were in last night against Westham away-I wasn't very impressed, didn't see any world beaters on that form.

I think from a talent perspective the under 18s have more quality than the under 21s.

Shahram

02 Mar 2013 10:19:19
Good morning Guys

At a risk of getting bombarded by the doom and gloom merchants on here I want to congratulate Ryan Giggs on his 1000th appearance whenever that might be. I for one am proud that he is a Manchester United player and I am also pleased that he will be associated with the club when he retires. I know that from time to time he plays badly but come on this man has many more highs than he does lows. The man is truely a legend and I think rather than knock the man for the odd bad game we should be celebrating the career of a quite outstanding individual. I hope that we will all be singing Giggs will tear you apart again if he scores today.
United to win 3-0 today

Bazza The Red

Id say nobody will ever make 1000 apperances for any club let alone just the one
paddy the irish man

We will not win 3=0. We might win by the odd goal, I can see us being very flat against Norwich. Too much hype about Madrid.
Nomidfield

02 Mar 2013 08:44:50
I have to say Giggs is sort of like a fine wine. He may not be getting better with age but he is definately more appreciated than he was all those years ago. I remember a lot of Utd fans always giving Giggs stick when he couldn't cross a ball. Yet here he is about to make his 1000 appearance, nearing 40. All I can say is its lucky Fergie didn't take any notice of you moaning Mancs or Giggs would have been out long ago. Well done Giggs, a phenonamal effort, never to be repeated I would think.

The Irish Rover

Why comment that he doesn't get better with age when nobody gets better with age?there were a couple of games in 1 season where I remember some of the crowd getting on his back, apart from that his name has been sung around old trafford for years so to suggest a lot did it when it was a minority who didn't have a clue shows you are clueless but apart from that thanks for the praise for one of the greatest professionals to grace british football.

phil

I remember him getting untold stick years ago

Pardoe
Maybe Phil has a bad memory?

Irish Rover

It happens at every club. I'm sure you see a lot of it on the LFC site daily don't you? You'd be the first to say Lucas has become an important player for your club but he was slated and almost driven out. Of course he can only dream of going on to achieve what Giggs has but it's the same principle surely. It happens with a minority at every club.