Manchester United Banter Archive May 02 2014

02 May 2014 23:23:52
Just seen the U21s tonight and just how good is Andreas Perreira? He looks like he's just as ready as Pearson/Rothwell etc. to make the step up to the first team IMO

02 May 2014 21:19:42
U21s playing very well tonight. Very impressive.

And what a goal that was from periera.

Indeed it was PR. Bloody screamer

02 May 2014 19:34:45
If this has been posted I am sorry but if no one knows that mutv is free for sky users for the u21 game

02 May 2014 17:50:16
Rumour that Guardiola is pitching hard now for our job. No thanks. A Spanish version of Moyes.

Seriously?

Even by my high standards that is some post. Congratulations sir

Basingstoke

You are a genius:)

I'm still not sure what to make of Pep. Signing wise he's proven to be pretty poor and his teams don't ever seem to have a plan B. He did a great job at Barcelona but had a fantastic squad when he took the job. I think Bayern have taken a step backwards with him at the helm.

I'd probably take him over LVG but would still prefer Klopp.

Pep Moyes or Big Dave Guardiola?

Great post Basingstoke!

Ummm what?

Hilarious nice one Basingstoke :)

Lol I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

Hard to see him compared to moyes but defo not a manger I want to see at utd hate the football he plays boring pass pass pass

Guardiola's football was spectacularly successful at Barca, yet relied heavily on Messi. When Messi didn't play you saw the same football from Barca as you did with Bayern the other night. No plan B and not penetrative enough. There is criticism of Pep but he has a very successful method and whilst Barca were not as thrilling as others they won everything and took us to pieces with ease. The key is that Pep needs a Messi to make it work and he doesn't have one at Bayern.
Everyone knows my preference is Klopp then Ancelotti, yet Pep is an intriguing one however I feel we would have to buy Messi to make it work. Hum, can't see uncle Malcolm signing that cheque even if Messi has looked nonplussed at Barca this season.

No thanks to Guardiola. I like my football to be entertaining.

02 May 2014 16:20:31
Interesting question to all the regulars,
If you were a manager not necessarily of United but a manager of any club at any level, what would your prefered tactics and basic formation be and why? What would be the core princpals of your footballing philosophy be?

02 May 2014 17:28:20
Oddly enough same as van gaal, attacking 433 with technical players, that's what I use on games. I know there only games but might as well go with what you prefer.

It all depends on the players available to me. If I had an unlimited budget, and due to my rather poor knoledge of tactics, d go with a straighforward 4-4-1-1, with 2 quick wingers, one powerful target man ad highly mobile wingers.

If I had a good number 2, one more knowledgebal with tactics and what so, I d go with a possession oriented 4-2-3-1 with inverted wingers, 2 deep central midfielders, a classy number 10 and a goalscorer, much like Bayern last season.

I have coached with 4-3-3 at youth levels the last few years. It allows for both width and controlling the middle. If our back four can handle their speed up front, then play a pressing game and force mistakes. If not, play deeper and allow no space behind.

Going forward, I try to base my teams on quick passing on the ground most of the time, and interchange of players. Speed, technique, and intelligent movement and communication are the keys for me.

4-4-3,
Id have to combative CM pair, with inverted wingers cutting inside, i'd allow a free role for the 'no10' and let them roam, up top i'd plump for a out and out striker such as rvp or Falcao.

My defence would be prettt much the one we see in most teams with the fullbacks providing the width at times but I d have a garay type CB who can step out with the ball and link the defence to midfield.

Good question shapps :-)

{Ed004's Note - That's the exact team I'd use. Though I'd have a Dm such as Carvalho holding and Fabregas/a playmaker beside him who is capable of defending. Fast attacking full backs like coleman and Shaw would be ideal with a cb capable or two of coming into midfield}

Back 4, 2 quick full backs with the pace to get forward but are defenders firstly .
cb look no further than ferdy and vidic.
Get rid of defensive cm and replace them with box to box cm .
Give me a viera or keane over a mikel , makelele.
A good box to box cm can do everything a defensive cm can but also can play football.

Get rid of the modern number 10 concept and have an attacking cm like scholes or zidane players who are creative but can also play as cm .
That should make up your midfield 3.
Up top a good strong striker good with his back to goal, able to bring others in to play a drogba type.
Out wide 2 quick creative hard working players.
That would be my 3 up top

Pace and strength with everyone comfortable on the ball.

If is had to pick one it would be 433. The reality is it does not really matter and mostly about players. If you have the right players you will win trophies playing 442, 433, 4231 352.

4321 for me guys and I have been helping out with a local kids team the past year and have introduced this with them. For it you need two quick full backs who are strong in defence and attack. You also need a good defensive CM who can sit when the full backs bomb on and the 2 playing behind the main striker need to have good control and be good on the ball with one ideally being quick. It has been very good for our youngsters and I would love united to adopt it too with DeGea, Rafael, Jones, Garay, Shaw, Carvalho, Kroos/Fabregas, Kagawa/Rooney, Reus, Mata, RVP.

It would depend on the opposition. Why would you want to restrict yourself to a specific formation when each team you come up against will be set up differently?

I'd go for versatile players who could play 2 or 3 positions and build a squad capable of playing 4 or 5 different formations well then tailor my approach game by game.

If Rodgers had done that Liverpool would have wrapped up the title weeks ago!

I'm with CTR here. Its a no brainer really. 443 is the way to go. 12 men in the pitch has to be an advantage :)

Lol betty I was gunna post and correct myself but thought i'd see who saw it first! Congrats kind sir!

Beyyey

LMAOF. you are trip.

LOL. No worries mate. We all knew what you meant. On a serious note, how is your little man doing?

All going well thanks bud, he is home and seemingly fit and heathly, we had a few worries about 2 weeks ago when no weight was being put on but that has since changed to the point where the nurses are not coming round as ofter.
So all is going much better than I could ever of dreamed of about 8 or so weeks ago.
Thanks :)

03 May 2014 01:02:08
Well the way I would personally set a team out would be high pressing with quick technical players similar to how Klopp sets.his teams out, the only difference is I would want to be more attacking and impose ourselves on the opposition. I would do this with width, press high and stretch the opposition then when you win it back you have the space to tear them apart. To do this I would set up in a 4141 type system, that what you retain width but are able to apply a four man press on the opposition that will stretch them once you win the ball back. The key to this system is to have quick technical players in the front four, you also need a powerful and mobile defensive midfielder who can cover the space you leave in behind, you also need forward thinking full backs who can be involved in a passing game and can move forward but not to over lap the wide player too much as you leave yourself over exposed.

4-2-3-1 for me. The 2 in midfield would consist of one strong, box to box type player and a playmaker with the ability to use the ball well and also has a bit of bite in his challenges like a Xabi Alonso. Ahead of them have your No 10, 2 wingers who are direct and actually have a run at defenders. Encourage the wing backs to get forward with the playmaker holding a little bit deeper when they do. Make sure you play a high tempo pressing game and force the opposition into mistakes when they have the ball.

02 May 2014 12:27:08
Something for Mick, Syd and other Reserve football viewers to ponder on. Is Tom Lawrence's absence one of the major reasons why we are not winning that many u21 matches? He just comes up with the goods when you need them.

I really like the look of him to be honest. He had 5 goals and 3 assists in 15 starts last season for the reserves. The position that he plays in, its match winning form for you.

Deeps.

I am of the opinion that we would not have won the final last season had it not been for Lawrence. When he came as a striker, it gave the whole team more balance as opposed to Januzaj who was trying to play the false 9 role.

Technically speaking Lawrence is excellent, and he can score stunners from time to time. He is adept on the wings ( consistently good ), as he has shown at Yeovil and at International level. Last season he started 5 matches and got 4 goals and 3 assists if I recall correctly.

I don't know how to explain why Lawrence is not rated as highly as some of the others. He is quick, consistent passer, and his technical ability on the ball is above most players his age, the lad is practically 2 footed. If he can get involved more in games, try to get on the ball more often, he can make a career for himself at the top level.

Lawrence will have benefited greatly from his time at yeovil and will be a far better player for it.its not just lawrence but quite a few u21 regulars have been out on loan, so joyce had to bring some younger ones through .they have had a decent turnaround recently though and could have 3 massive games left, tonight the final if we win and we also play city in the lancashire cup final.also for anyone not aware its free to anyone on mutv tonight.

02 May 2014 11:15:35
If United went in for febregas I no arsenal got first option and United went in with a 35 million bid do arsenal have to match uniteds bid

{Ed004's Note - Yes, though Tbf arsenal need a striker, winger, defensive mid, and possibly a rb would they have the funds to sign Fabregas? Those other areas are priority}

Thats true ed, but it won't stop wenger signing another attacking midfielder

02 May 2014 09:27:25
Now, we all know on here that I, more than most, hate a rumour ;) But seen an interesting one today linking us with a double move for Kroos and Muller as van Gaal's first couple of signings. It would make sense in terms of the way he sets up with teams, as well as his rumoured move for Reus. A front three of Muller, van Persie and Reus? Kroos, Mata/Rooney in midfield with William Carvalho as the anchor point?

Müller would be a great corner taker…

Fresh why do you buy into most the crap the papers publish?

You need to take it with a wheelbarrow load of salt.

I do sometimes wonder what this page is about if it isn't to discuss these things Ozwald. I try and encourage some debate. I don't buy into it, I just think it makes a better debate than some of the crap on here. If you don't like it, don't post on my stuff, I don't need telling to take things with a pinch of salt.

Most people prefer to discuss genuine targets that have been scouted, and players MU have enquired about at some level, not just players that the tabloids pick out the air day after day.

Just trying to tell you there's hardly any legitimate transfer news in the papers as their pure aim is to sell stories with catchy headlines.

And how do you know they haven't been scouted? And van Gaal won't have scouted anyone yet, but he will have a list of targets in mind that he knows well.

02 May 2014 08:38:04
Hi Eds,

Another couple a sites suggest, Simone in talks with Manchester United reps last night in London. Any news on this?
My ins; Cavani, Turan, Kroos, Varane, Shaw and Garay

Thanks in advance :)

{Ed002's Note - Simone wasn't in London last night, he was there the two nights before. Do you think the MU representatives spoke to him during the half-time break in the Champions League semi-final?}

Jeez. I sometimes wonder why people bother using this site when some Ed's give such sarcastic and patronising responses. Funny how you treat your visitors so poorly. You clearly don't do it for the love, so it must be the money. So why treat your revenue generators so poorly?

Oh. And go ahead and block me. Really don't care especially as you'll never have the balls to post this.

I just feel so sorry for the way you treat some of the posters.

I suppose it is Woodward we are talking about, wouldn't surprise me if he tried to call Simeone's mobile during the game :-)

After the talk about Diego Costa agreeing a deal for Chelsea, I imagine that talks were about that, if there were any at all.

{Ed002's Note - Why would Manchester United be involved in any discussions between two other clubs?}

/respect Timbo

Timbo, I hope that was a sarcastic post or has ed let it go through to see the types of posts coming through.
If it's not timbo (& any other p***y posters) then why don't you go and set up your own site where you can all have a pop at one another and ask each other unanswerable questions. Oh yeah and I bet the eds are racking in the cash with a long stick with this site. I've been coming on the various pages for years right from when it was just one rumours page. I've had countless benefit from even different legal forms posted by eds that run this site and I value their input and particularly 002 on the high end football stuff and it costs me nothing apart from manners. (I do value all the eds input on various subjects). But don't bite the hand that feeds you as it ruins it for the rest of us or maybe we could introduce some sort of voting out system for various posters. I favour a "Cantona" or something like around a month until some people get the idea.
Rant over.

Well they did have the balls to post it Timbo and now you will ruin it for us all when Ed2 decided not to come on this page and share some great insight into our wonderful club. Childish post!

Any meetings taken place would of been between Chelsea and Atletico, not us and Atletico I'm sure.

02 May 2014 09:49:37
Ed02

LOL, Classic and the site is starting to go silly with all the weird stuff people post.

02 May 2014 10:53:55
Hi Ed 002,

Obviously ruffled a few feathers with my post, sorry just saw the suggestion, nesting on another couple of sites, hoped for some honest clarity. If I had any concrete thoughts on my question, I would have no need to post I guess?

Moreover, Can I ask who you feel could definitely be possible signings, as we can all speculate but More credibility is due prior to press releases, and your rationale behind your choices :)

Thanks in Advance. OH!

{Ed002's Note - Sorry, I am not going to give any further information regarding transfers.}

Did anyone watch Chelsea v Atletico? DS had plenty of time for a chat in the latter stages of the second half ;-)

02 May 2014 12:37:01
I got to side with Ed02 how can you not treat such a stupid post without being sarcastic about it haha

02 May 2014 17:05:27
Timbo, I have to disrespectfully disagree with you. I honestly believe the Eds do this because they love the teams and the game. Personally, I really value all the work they do. As I have become increasingly bored just sitting infront of a computer, this remains the one site I return to numerous times a day. I have been personally 'insulted' by Ed02's sarcasm and consider it an honor! If the eds stopped running this site and you had to rely on The Daily Mail, the Red Tops and some schoolboys on twitter, I feel you would quickly rue your sanctimonious diatribe.

{Ed007's Note - It's definitely not for the money - I assure you it's definitely not for the money, but if anyone wants to send us some we wouldn't be offended in the slightest, none of us are shy that way.}

Don't post a lot but the disrespect shown to ed 002 in particular is utterly disgraceful they don't have this site to get abuse or fall out with anyone they make sarcastic comments but they like the laugh and to see what sort of reply they get it's banter somewhere to have a laugh ask the eds is Ronaldo coming back or what's the transfer news and what ever the eds have said to me I have never taken personaly cause I have always liked a bit of banter somebody jeering me so I could jeer them back harder good luck ed and keep up the good work