Manchester United Banter Archive November 02 2012

 

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02 Nov 2012 22:53:29
Im a Celtic supporter and i know Victor Wanyama is a great player but when he dose go i hope its to Utd .pay top dollar as he will double his fee very quickly

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Great player???

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He's worth 5 million at most what your asking for is stupid.

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02 Nov 2012 22:24:11
can any of the eds answer this.
will SAF sell nani in the january transfer and replace him by rodriguez or isco
these are the stories in the sports newspapers but i doubt this because this players will be cup tied for the champions league group satges ,isnt it?? {Ed002's Note - Perhaps.}

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Why arent we trying to get muniain? Younger than both, is more experienced, and is just as good if not better. He also has an unbeleivable workrate, a bit like a younger Rooney.

Mick

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Faster than a young Rooney and probably a better dribbler.

Shahram

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02 Nov 2012 22:19:42
another setback now ............... we are not expecting vidic until the next year.
i hope he is fully fit for the 2nd half of the season to provide some solidarity in the defence.

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Fantastic player and we have missed him, but at that age, he'll never be the same again. He was never blessed with blistering pace and used to rely on good positioning and tackling. But if the injury is not completely sorted, then he'll keep getting injured.
We all wish him luck as he is superb.
NoMidfield

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02 Nov 2012 19:54:58
I think Hernandez is improving a lot.His hold up play is getting better and is bringing other players into the game.These 2 things were non existent in his first 2 seasons.

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02 Nov 2012 19:51:33
Guys, what team do you think we should have tomorrow?
My team is:
De Gea

Rafael Ferdinand Evans Evra

Valencia Anderson Cleverley Young

Rooney

Van Persie

Subs- Lindegaard, Welbeck, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, Hernandez, M.Keane

But I think we will probably have Carrick instead of Ando which I don't want.
We should have Keane on the bench as I think he is better than Wooton.
Predictions: United 4 - 1 Arsenal
RVP to get 2, Rafael to get 1, and Rooney to get 1 as well. Podolski to get 1 for them.
MUFC19

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__________De Gea
Rafael__Ferdy__Evans__Evra
Tony__Carrick__Clevs__Young
__________Rooney
___________RVP

That is what we will go with, almost certainly. I would like to see Anderson play - however I think that he will be pretty knackered from midweek. I'm not saying that Anderson couldn't play every week, but his lack of fitness is due to not playing games week in week out. Smalling will be on the bench I think, not Keane. Hernandez will amost certainly come on at some point.

Fresh!

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Fresh, I am almost certain that will be the correct line-up.

Sydney!

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I don't see any likely variation on it - apart from perhaps switching the keepers and maybe starting Scholes instead of Cleverly. But I think the team I posted will be the one.

Fresh!

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What i would like to see:

Rafael--Ferdinand--Evans--Buttner
----------------Carrick------------------
--------Anderson------Cleverley------
-----------------Rooney-----------------
--------RVP-----------Chicharito------

What we would likely see:

Rafael---Ferdinand---Evans--Evra
AV--Scholes/Cleverley--Carrick--Young
-------Rooney---Van Persie--------

The first lineup allows us to pack the midfield, controling possession and pinning them back, cutting the supply line for the likes of chamberlain, therefore freeing our fullbacks to attack and have less defensive roles ( that's why buttner would be better than evra, if we are controling possession and arsenal counter i would rather have buttner chasing chamberlain than evra ).

And it also allows us to give anderson and chicharito games, since they deserve starts on current form along with giving rooney and rvp a moving target who would help them score by freeing up space or they can just create for him and each other.

But knowing ferguson ( to a certain extent ) i think its unlikely he wont play wingers.

Mick

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With no covering wide men the full backs would have no time to attack, Arsenal break down the wings and would take advantage of a vacant full back spot.

To play like that you need a quick, high energy defensive mid or b2b's who can scramble out to the full back areas to cover.

We are lacking this type of player.

I fully expect Tony V and Young to play wide. With Rooney and R-RVP that leaves just two central (Rooney dropping in when needed) I'll be supprised if those two aren't Carrick and Clevs. (Not Ando's game, Giggs & Scholes not enought legs for Arsenals midfield movement)

Only variation I could see would be Rooney Wide left, Scholes or Ando for Young. But Young played well last week, give the lad a go, and play Rooney in his best position... We are at the theatre of dreams after all ;)

DodgyBanter

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Doesn't matter your team, the 12th man, the ref will always be there to assist

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02 Nov 2012 18:35:22
For us to match barca in terms of possession and skill is difficult , but we can play and match Real.

Real Madrid:

..................Casillas
Ramos... Varane... Pepe... Marcello
.......Essien/khedira..... Modric/Alonso
..Di Maria.... Ozil.... Ronaldo
.................Higuain

We can have almost the same team

..................DDG.........
Rafa....Vidic.....Evans.....Evra
......cleverley/Carrick.....Ando/Scholes
..toni.......Kagawa.....Rooney
................RVP....

if we compare both the teams
Real have better : left back, Holding Mid, winger

If we can get a decent LB, a holding MF and a
winger (James Rodríguez), We should be pretty good.

Desired.

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To be honest, to be as good as Madrid, I think this is what we would have to play:

________De Gea
Rafa__Vidic__Small__Evra
__Kags___Vidal___Clevs
Tony_____RVP_____Rooney

That is the way I see it. We'd need Vidal to be the strong linch pin in the middle. Kagawa and Cleverly are good technically so that would be helpful.

Without the ball Kagawa/Cleverly and Valencia would drop back to midfield to fill the wide areas and Rooney would drop into the middle with RVP alone up top.

We are just one/two players away from being a real force in Europe. We have great fire power up top - we just need a DM/Linch pin like Vidal and another left back, but I think SAF will stay with Evra and not replace him. Fabio and Buttner will both be given a shot.

Fresh!

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02 Nov 2012 17:10:05
Lol i just looked at s combined XI for aresnal and united. I find it so funny cause in my opinion the only person i would want from their team is Wilshere and possibly podolski

James {Ed004's Note - Arteta is a good player as is Carzola and Vermalaen, also Gibbs is probably better than Evra atm}

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I'd take Arteta, Vermaelen and Gibbs.

Percy

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Interesting how about a combined team of Man Utd Man City Everton and Liverpool against a London Combined team of Chelsea Spurs Arsenal?

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Dont get me wrong i love united but currently i dont think we play the football best suited for carzola and if we had him I doubt we will play him in the right position. Look at Kagawa, best player in the German league last year and in my eyes hes played well but not as well as i would have hoped and thats probably down to the fact we dont play him in the correct position and we currently dont play the football he is used to

Dont hate just saying what I think

James

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Cazorla is class and better than all our midfielders. The guy gets picked ahead of Matta for the spanish national team.

Shahram

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Arteta, Carzola, Vermaelen, A Santos, Wilshere and Szczesny. Possibly Diaby.

Jono

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02 Nov 2012 19:17:01
Only Wilshere and Cazorla would interest myself. Wilshere in the middle and Cazorla on the left wing. Pedro.

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I'd take Vermaelen, Carzola, and Arteta and possibly Gibbs.

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Szczesny? Are you serious? De Gea is by far and away the better keeper!

Percy

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I agree with Pedro, only Cazorla and Wilshere would be of any real use to us. Santos, Arteta, Vermaelen & their keeper are not much good at all. We signed their best player during the summer, lets not get greedy lads ;)

Sydney!

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Vermaelen and Arteta not that good? Yeah ok Syd!

And Percy what do you base your opinion on DDG being 'far and away' better than Szczesny? I would just prefer him as he fits the mould of keeper I like my team to have. Big, bold, fearless, will come for crosses, will smash people out the way to get the ball, opens his mouth, youngish, good shot stopper and good at one on ones.

DDG wins on being a better shot stopper and being younger IMO.

Jono

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Jono

Are you watching the same keeper that i watch he got a red in 1st game of euros. His decision making is poor. He cant stop with his feet. Hes not even close to ddg at shot stopping! He cost arsenal matches last season im sure he will this one!
Red dev

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This will be my man utd arsenal combined team

szcesney
sagna mertasaker vermaelen gibbs
carzorla wilshere diaby valencia
rooney rvp

bench: de gea rafael arteta walcott young podolski kagwaga

watford gooner

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Red dev

Yes we are watching the same keeper.

Szczesny is not as good a shot stopper as DDG as I said already but he does excell in other important areas with bravery being one of them. I have highlighted this before and so have others that DDG doesn't have that in him. Bravery is not taught, you have it or you don't. That alone makes a massive difference to coming for the ball, one on ones, smashing through players to get the ball, diving at players feet etc.

Shot stopping is far more important in Spain, somewhere I see DDG in around 3 years time anyway and Szczesny commands his box better by a mile. It's not his fault arsenals defenders are guff.

And a keepers quality should not be judged on how good he can save with his feet!

Jono

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I actually beleive that arteta is the best in his position in the league ( central playmaker ). His stats are amazing:
-4.4 successful tackles per game
-2 interceptions
-1 key pass per game
-1 successful dribble per game ( more than cleverley, carrick and scholes combined )
-an average of 93 passes per game ( cleverley has 62 )
-93.3% passing accuracy
-an average of 7 successful long passes per game ( only bettered by paul scholes )

The guy is pure quality. I would snapp off arsenal's hands if we could get him

Mick

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So you would have mertersacker over smalling or vidic?

My team would be

De gea
Rafael smalling vidic vermalen
Valencia clevs wilshere podolski
Rooney rvp


Munkydunc

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02 Nov 2012 17:04:08
hope saf plays hernandez off stead off wellbeck 2 morrow. wellbeck first touch is terrable and his goal scoreing record is woefull .

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Actually its instead

other than that i think hernandez deserves a start on current form, and so does ando.

Mick

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02 Nov 2012 18:00:20
So is your spelling! ; p

Whistler.

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02 Nov 2012 16:53:27
What's that? Another pessimistic post from KLOOT? I'm shocked! Why can't you just see the good points, even for just one game now and then! Anderson had a great game, and to be honest...the only times we've looked dangerous and dynamic in the midfield this season was when he was on the pitch. I'm not saying he's the answer to our midfield problem...but I think, along with quite a few others, that he is a quality player. It'c clear he's been working on his fitness, and his hunger to improve is obvious! Lighten up for once!

Andy!.........................Andy if you read my last post you will see I was nothing but Praise for a brilliant performance from the team. I am just being realistic and who amongst you can come on here and tell me that Andersons fitness levels are good enough. A professional athlete should not have an arse as big as that and should be able to complete 90 minutes after being here for 6 years. If you look at all the results in the competition this week you will see that all the games were played in a very open manor and not like league games. Do yourself a favour Andy actually read my posts and look at what I am saying rather than sheepishly just following the flock and thinking everything in the garden is roses. If Anderson gives us 10 games in a row like that I will change my opinion not just 60 minutes in a mickey mouse competition. I want the best for United and will not settle for mediocrity. I AM KLOOT

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To be honest Kloot mate i've never noticed Andersons arse, i'll have to see if its as big as you say. I hope you don't get to fixated on it though as that could be awkward to explain. Lol.

Shappy

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Ahhhh the "sheep following the flock" quote have not seen ya use that for a while RFT.

Devil Dust.

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Lets just see what Anderson can do in a league game and champions league game. He deserves an opportunity, not like Cleverly , Carrick and Scholes are playing miles ahead of the boy. Lets give him a run of games and see what happens.

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Noone said his fitness level is good enough. He's fat and its a fact. But he is improving. And if h gets fit, he will be much better than anyone else we have.

Mick

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"Sheep following the flock"


Is that like "sardines following the trawler" ?

I'd have been more impressed with 2nd one.

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His fitness is a disgrace. He is supposed to be a professional f**king athlete and he can't even last a full game. It's not as if he's being asked to play a couple of games a week, like a lot of players. He has played fairly well on a few occasions this season, but if your job is to play football, and you're paid thousands each week but you can't be bothered to get in good enough shape to finish a game then you don't deserve to be first choice. It shows a complete lack of respect for the club and the manager when a player doesn't even do the minimum required, i.e. being fit enough to actually play the sport.

Danny Pughnited

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02 Nov 2012 16:10:25
hey..guys READ this how we had RVP..
*-Van Persie was finally ready to talk about his future after delaying contract talks until the last ball had been kicked of a campaign which had finished with him carrying off a clean sweep of the player of the year awards.

can reveal for the first time, 24hours before the pair are due to meet again as Arsenal take on Manchester United at Old Trafford, the explosive details of the summit, which was to sour the relationship of Wenger and VanPersie beyond repair.

It set the wheels in motion for a £24 million (€30m) move to United that would be completed three months later,but only after Wenger went to extreme lengths to steer his star player into a cut-price move to the continent.
Later..
in May, the talks took place on Wednesday, 16 May, less than 72 hours after Arsenal had sealed third spot in the league - and with it a prized Champions League placefor the following season - courtesy of a fortuitous 3-2 win at West Brom.
Van Persie and his agent Kees Vos, a long-time family friend, met face to face with Wenger and the Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis. The meeting took place at the manager's home because he had just undergone eye surgery and was wearing an eye patch.
Discussions did not centre on what kind of contract Arsenal were willing to offer or, indeed, the type of deal that Van Persie wanted. Instead, the reigning PFAand FWA Player of the Year demanded to know the direction in which Arsenal were heading.
Wenger explained Lukas Podolski, a signing that had been announced in April, would provide greater penetrationon the left flank and there were plans toadd greater depth and quality to the squad.
Van Persie was not happy with what he heard. Emboldened by his remarkable performances in 2011-12, when his 37 goals inspired the team to heights that had seemed impossible following a disastrous start to the season, the Dutchman spoke his mind.
"There were very heated discussions," a source with knowledge of the talks told . "Van Persie told Wenger which players to sign and who he should appoint as his number two. He wanted an external coach from outside of the club to replace [the retired] Pat Rice and didn't want Steve Bould to get promoted because he felt the current staff were all 'yes' men and too comfortable in the job."
Arsenal were unwilling to comment when contacted by but it is understood that Wenger was furious. Hehad once axed Thierry Henry from the team for declaring in his national newspaper column that the club should sign Shaun Wright-Phillips and did not take kindly to his judgement being questioned, however celebrated the player.
"Van Persie challenged Wenger and no-one really does that," the source added. "It developed into quite a row."
Subsequently, the relationship between the one of the most respected managersof his generation and one of Europe's most feared forwards broke down.
Van Persie left for Euro 2012 with his future unresolved, while Wenger pushedahead with plans to sign not one, but two stellar replacements .
The Arsenal board were keen to stick to their guns and refuse to grant Van Persiethe simple exit out of the club that he wanted, while Wenger vowed to sell the player no matter what.
This view was strengthened when the Dutchman went public with his misgivings by releasing an incendiary statement on July 4 which effectively said he wanted to leave because he disagreed with Wenger and the board of directors "in many aspects… on the way Arsenal should move forward".
To Wenger, this amounted to treachery and, by twice crossing the line, he felt Van Persie had caused irreparable damage to their relationship.
The striker returned to pre-season training in mid-July but pulled out of Arsenal's tour to try and force through a transfer. In the eyes of manager and player, it was not a matter of if but where.
The departure avenues had been narrowed down to the two Manchester clubs and Serie A champions Juventus. To Van Persie's dismay, the two Spanish giants, Real Madrid and Barcelona, did not bite when the hook was dangled, while he refused Chelsea's tentative interest because he did not want to move to another London club.
"There was one price for European clubsand another price for English clubs," the source added. "Wenger cut the £25m (€31m) asking price by £10m (€12m) to sell him abroad but Van Persie didn't want to go to Juventus."
The 29-year-old risked tarnishing his legacy even further by taking the already well-trodden path from Arsenal to Manchester City, a route taken by Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy.
Wenger told a shareholder after the Arsenal AGM last week than City offered Van Persie an astonishing £300,000-a-week (€373,000). There was even a rumour that the Premier League champions were willing to pay for a helicopter to enable the Dutchman to commute from his Hertfordshire home to Manchester for training every day.
However, City were keen to end the overspending on transfers that accompanied their rapid rise from mid-table club to champions and refusedto pay more than £15m (€19m) for Van Persie's signature .
In any case, the Dutchman did not want to tarnish his Arsenal legacy even further by making what would have been viewed as the greediest move available, to City. The forward vowed toaccept an offer on the table from Manchester United.
However, Van Persie's stance changed slightly in the first few days of August asrumours spread around the London Colney headquarters that Santi Cazorla was on his way to the club, and could be followed by Nuri Sahin.
He had been going through the motionswhile he waited for a move to materialise but, suddenly, he appeared more motivated and interested. "His attitude and body language was different," the source added. "He seemed to be saluting the signing of Cazorla."
Van Persie flew out to Arsenal's week-long training camp in Germany ahead of a friendly against Cologne but Wenger's mind was made up.
A few days before the match, which took place on a Sunday night, the Frenchman gave the go-ahead for Gazidis and his opposite number at United, David Gill, to open talks on a deal that would take Van Persie to Old Trafford.
Twenty-four hours after Van Persie had been jeered by some Arsenal fans duringa cameo appearance against Cologne, United and Arsenal agreed a £22m (€27m) transfer fee.
But, there was one final twist. Wenger, loathe to sell to a rival, said he wanted another £2m (€2.5m) from United, which frustrated the 19-times league champions and delayed the deal by another 24 hours. It would be late on Tuesday, 13 August before a £24m (€30m) fee was finally agreed between the two clubs, which was then announced to the media the following day.
Ever the gentleman, Wenger will no doubt shake the hand of Van Persie before proceedings gets underway at Old Trafford on Saturday afternoon as the Dutchman prepares to play against the team that he graced for eight seasons.
Hiding behind the mask of politeness will be the face of a manager let down by someone he had helped nurture into a superstar.

THIS IS how WE buyed a super STAR..RVP..
G.G.M.U

Yash(mumbai)

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I read this article, its bull sh**. they didnt mention a single quote from rvp or wenger, or any arsenal or united official. They come up with cr** and say its a close source and stuff.

Mick

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I did chuckle at the bit where he said Steve Bould and other staff were just "yes men". God knows what he makes of Mike Phelan then.

TK-Red

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02 Nov 2012 16:10:02
"I think we're talking around December for Vidic," Ferguson told MUTV. "Maybe around Christmas time."

jred

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That is terrible news. I think we might buy cm as we are very thin.

Shahram

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02 Nov 2012 16:09:17
Team for tomorrow at present seems to be self explanatory.....

-------------------De Gea-----------

Rafael---Ferdinand---Evans---Evra


Valencia--Carrick--Cleverley--Young

------------------Rooney---------------

--------------------RVP------------------

Team was excellent against Chelsea and I can't see any changes being made, there is a good understanding on both wings with Rafael and Tony linking up well on the right and Young and Pat doing the same on the left.

Anderson will just miss out even with his excellent performance on wednesday. Scholes can't play against a 3 man midfield and I just think Cleverley was excellent last season in this fixture

RedKnight

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--------------DE GEA-----------
RAFAEL---RIO-----EVANS--EVRA
-VALENCIA-CLEVERLEY-ANDERSON
----------ROONEY------------
-------RVP-------CHICHA-----

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02 Nov 2012 14:41:32
Inter president Massimo Moratti has revealed that the club were interested in bringing Paul Pogba to the San Siro, until dissuaded from doing so by Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
When asked about the France Under-21 international, Moratti said: "Pogba? Inter also followed him, but we had an agreement with Manchester United.

"The agreement was not to approach players at the end of the contract and was a request by Ferguson.

"We pulled ourselves out of the race, perhaps wrongly, but you cannot take everyone."
jred

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That doesn't make much sense though. Why would Inter not approach the player just because SAF asked them not to? Does anyone else find such an agreement slightly strange?

TK-Red

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02 Nov 2012 14:22:02
Rio & Giggs will be here next season.
I think Scholes will retire finally.

We need a top class replacement who's good at retaining possession & technically skilled with the ball.

Could any of these be possible?

Thiago Alacantra 22m, Fabregas 30m, Xavi 28m
Sahin 20m, Ozil 25m, Kaka 18m, Modric 25m, X.Alonso 15m
Goetz 38m still might not budge Borussia.
Erikssen 22m (double deal with Fischer 8m)
Vidal 22m (plus Petrucci)
Isco 17m
(2 younger than Carrick)
Moutinho 20m
Cabaye 20m

These are the kind of prices of the midfielders we need.

Strootman, M'Vila, Tiote, Felliani, Herrera are not better
than Fletcher, Cleverley, Anderson.

TJ

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02 Nov 2012 14:55:52
sahin for 20m ? He is on loan @ pool.

Desired.

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Very few of the ones you listed are central midfielders, fewer are possession retaining playmakers.

If we were to but someone i think we should go all out on Veratti, might be tempted to move to the premier league.

We already have cleverley and carrick who can do that role, and possibly petrucci if given a chance.

Mick

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The 3 vs would be nice, varatti, varrane, Vidal :)

Shahram {Ed004's Note - Add in a left back and a top playemaker to replace Nani and you would have the perfect summer. I would love to add Baines and Ozil or someone of his quality to that list. I just think an attack of Ozil, Rooney, Kagawa and RVP could be deadly}

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ED004 you hit the nail on the head. with those additions I could care less what the other teams in the league or europe do in the transfer market. We would be up for a treble season.

We can all dream :)

shahram

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02 Nov 2012 14:08:35
Would just like to point out how much more of a threat we are going forward when we play Rafael in behind with valencia. His link up play with valencia is one of the best in the league...

On Rafael as a player, what a player he can be, he has to be one of the first names on the team sheet at the moment his work going forward was never in doubt however now the defensive side of his game is coming to fruition now he is an extremely convincing full back!

- Covey

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SAF even before the season started stated that he believes he could be the best rb in the world in a few years.

Shahram

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02 Nov 2012 13:57:30
Is it just me who thinks Fabio will be better than Rafael??
I have seen both of them play.... IMO, fabio looks better than Rafael who is also a top player

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We havnt seen much of fabio TBH, but before they signed for us, we were told fabio was the better player. but with the injuries fabio had we might never know is he is as good as his brother.

DesiRed.

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He was our rb when we played barca schalke chelsea in the champs league when we lost the final.
He was very good apart from the barcelona game.
I think hes a better rb than lb

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He was still one of our better players against Barca IMO.

APC

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02 Nov 2012 13:09:44
Syd or ed can you please tell me keane's nationality and age and also is he just a cb can he play anywhere else ?

I ask this because i was so impressed with him, first time i saw him play.

Big V

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English, 19 and can play CB or RB.

Sydney!

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Both the keanes are english but will opted for england and michael opted for ireland.michael had a change of heart and because he had only played at u18 level was allowed to switch to england.
johndenton

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Don't forget he also could play for the rep of Ireland!

Caolán.

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Chances of more first team action?

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He will need a few loans first, but I expect him to be a United CB by 22. He will be treated similar to Evans in terms of loans.

Sydney!

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02 Nov 2012 12:01:19
disappointed to lose to chelsea like that...............can't say I disagree with any of the referee's decisions though.........nice to see players we've had doubts about playing well e.g. hernandez & giggs........even nani wasn't too bad............also a good learning curve for those who didn't light up the sky e.g. lindergaard, keane & wootton........................could've done with a bit more luck but then we had more than our fair share of luck on sunday......good luck tomorrow vs. arsenal!
nov00

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Nov00

On what planet did Nani play well.

Took his goal well but doesn't look interested to me, lost the ball far to easy and think he has now played his way out of United.

It won't be long.

A

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02 Nov 2012 11:58:23
Just like to say, how good did Powell look when he came on against Chelsea, I sincerely hope he starts getting chances in the first team. His touch looked first class.

Andy S

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I have to disagree about Powell, he looked very composed, but he didn't make an impact on the match at all. Had he scored with his first touch it would have been a different story.

RedDub

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I thought Tunnicliffe was decent too. Throwing himself in front of every shot, reminded me of keane. He was a bit sloppy in passing but he will improve. I feel he will be prefect for the Cdm role. Would like to see more of him , Powell and hopefully Petrucci! Is petrucci injured?

kdevil10

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Powell is being played too deep when he gets a game for crewe he played a lot further up the pitch.
johndenton

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Powel looked slow and lacked match sharpness which is expected considering the amount of football that he has played.

Simmo

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Kdevil10

I don't want to start world war three here but your comment about Tunnicliffe reminding you of Keane is a bit far fetched aint it?
I watch a bit of the reserves and no way is Tunnicliffe good enough "YET" for the first team.
Pogba is 50 times the player of Tunnicliffe and he couldn't get a game.

Simmo

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Simmo

I did not say Tunnicliffe is as good as keane. What i meant was the way he tried to get between every shot just reminded me of keane. He still has long long way to get there. What i liked was his commitment on the pitch thats all! Cheers!

kdevil10

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Not a United fan, but i was impressed by your young players against Chelsea especially the defenders and midfielders. There is no need to buy midfieders, believe in your young players they will deliver especially the defenders, tunncl whatever, and powell who looks like he is from the Barca academy.

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Kdevil10

I didn't say anything about Tunnicliffe being as good as Keane as well.
I was quoting what you said that he reminded you of Keane.
I said he wasn't ready for first team action.

Simmo

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Thank you unnamed non-united-supporter.
just a question: who do you support and what are you doing here?
nov00

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Arsenal. Am here to find out your thoughts about today's game.

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02 Nov 2012 10:26:05
Why is it that we buy a player then mess about with their best position and try them elsewhere just to fit them in. Even academy products like Welbeck are shifted about.

Macheda upfront on his own or on the wing (no)
Jones CB, RB, DM, Box2Box ??
Anderson AM, CM, LW, LMof3 ??
Kagawa AM, LMof3, LW, Hole, LFof3 ??
Welbeck LFof3, LW, CF ??
Nani LW, RW, Hole ??
Valencia RW, RMof3, RFof3, RB ??
Rafael RB, DM ??
Fabio RB, LB, RW, LW ??
Rooney CF, LMof3, LFof3, Hole ??
Buttner LB, LW ??
Young LW, Hole ??
Carrick DM, CM, CB
Fletcher RMof3, DM, Box2Box, RB ??


These players are constantly shifted about. I understand because of the 21 man rule now it's better to have a few players who can do a job in other areas.

What are these players best stable positions?

I'm mostly thinking about our future.......

Jones, Fabio, Powell, Kagawa, Henriquez will they just be shoved in to do a job or settle in one position to master it?

TJ

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Ferguson will never bring in like for like players if people get injured. Instead he'll take carrick and put him in CD. Then Kagawa plays at LW when Rooney is playing behind strikers. Stupid needless tactics that have NEVER worked but he's too stubborn for change.
NoMidfield

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No midfield

you would probably be the same type of guys who criticised him for converting ronaldo from a step over only winger to a goal scoring machine

he may have his faults but dont blame him for everything ,he has done more good than bad

nikz

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Nikz..
No one can make no one and no1 can change no1.
Ronaldo has the ability and footballing brain by himself. So he has became great. Nani had same ability isnt it? Fergie is still there why there is no another ronaldo in him right now?
So before u praise any1 so much apply some brain
Rodio17

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02 Nov 2012 18:06:33
Rodio17

"No one can make no one and no1 can change no1." What?
Are you saying Ronaldo's development is soley down to himself and he didn't benefit from any external influences at all? Just for clarity....

Whistler.

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02 Nov 2012 09:07:18
The writing is on the wall for Nani , how many times has fergie come out in public and criticised players?? well he has with Nani, blaming him for the penalty kick. Thats writing on the wall for sure.

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02 Nov 2012 08:43:42
Ah the wind has changed direction and now suddenly everybody thinks Anderson is a brilliant player. Lets look at things a little more realisticly. A proffesional athelete who still struggles to complete 90 minutes of football due to excess weight on his backside and a first name friendship with most of the staff at his local KFC. Everybody knew he had the talent what he didn't have was the application and I have still not seen anything to change my opinion. What about the game against Chelsea I hear you cry. That was a league cup game which was played very openly hence the scores across the board. This was not a tight physical premier league game. I mean lets face it Giggs played 50 minutes of the game just walking and still looking good that wouldn never happen in the league. It is just typical of some people on this site and one good game makes you a messiah and one dodgy game and you are pants. Anderson has the perfect Opportunity to show us his ability and kick on, but do it for a full game. Given that I think someone did make a good point that he looks better playing in a more advanced position up the pitch. He is deffinately not a holding midfielder. I just hope that we go for the jugular tomorrow againt Arsenal and don't sit back if we get the lead. Got a little feeling for an RVP hat-trick. I AM KLOOT

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What's that? Another pessimistic post from KLOOT? I'm shocked! Why can't you just see the good points, even for just one game now and then! Anderson had a great game, and to be honest...the only times we've looked dangerous and dynamic in the midfield this season was when he was on the pitch. I'm not saying he's the answer to our midfield problem...but I think, along with quite a few others, that he is a quality player. It'c clear he's been working on his fitness, and his hunger to improve is obvious! Lighten up for once!

Andy!

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You guys really don't know what u want. Maybe we need to change the whole club starting with the supporters.

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Haha exactly right KLOOT.

Giggs also played alright, does that mean he is ready to slot back into a CM starting alot?

Christ if Nani had 3 great games on the trot (impossible I know) there would be folk on here claiming we should never sell and he is great again.

Ando is not good enough. His passing is. Slack, his pants are certainly not slack, his fitness levels are shocking, his ass size is just as shocking, etc etc.

One good game changes absolutely nothing. He is simply put, not the long term answer. I'm not denying the boy has talent but not enough IMO and nowhere near the right attitude to keep himself in peak physical condition as all top athletes should.

It no doubt never helped SAF had him out of position for a long time but he is never going to replace, Rooney or Kags as our CAM and IMO we should be using Powell in there (his natural position after all) instead of making ando move off his backside and pant his way around the park.

I really don't see this fuss about him in the slightest.

I genuinely would like him to come good but feel there is very little chance that will happen.

Jono

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Oh and for Sat.

4-2 us.

RVP x 2, Rooney and an own goal.

For them, Walcott and Podolski free kick.

Jono

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Well Kloot, anderson put in a momt performance with the likes of Hazard, Mata and Oscar ( they all got as many minutes as him ). He showed us he can provide what we are missing in the midfield. He also looks to have lost about 10-15 pounds. So we have reasons to be chearful.

When the alternatives are a slow motion carrick, the " heir of paul scholes " who struggles to move forward with the ball at his feat and cant dribble past a player for his life and can only complete 10 yard passes mostly to the sides cleverley, a sick flecher who is half of the player he once was, a player whose emmaculate passing cant overshadow his lack of pace and defensiv ability and finally a 39 year old winger who is just not suited for a midfield role.

So i think the fans deserve a break, and anderson is just that. And most of us know that if anderson can stay injury free, he is gonna keep improving and losing weight, and that's a reason to be exited.

Mick

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IAMKLOOT

I am totally with you mate.
All i ever here is potential with Anderson and six year later we are still waiting.

Simmo

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I think Arsenal will need to score five to win tomorrow.

Sydney!

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Anderson was great midweek. Next time he plays, he'll do jack-faeces as usual, get subbed after 50mins and its back to square one.

Nobody is getting tough with him, and they havent for 6yrs. If someone kicked some discipline into him, he'd be consistently solid but I refuse to be sold on him until he does this for a few games in a row.

RED_SKY

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02 Nov 2012 08:42:32
Looking back at wednesday nite, i have nothing but all kudos for our young red devils. I don't feel sad that we lost but could have beaten their star studded and more or less first string players had we not conceded the two scrapy penalty.
I was very pessimistic about SAF with regard to fielding our young devils and feared they might end up like Pogba. But now i sure hope SAF saw enough in them to have their confidence and give them something they deserve at the right time. Having said that i don't deny there's need for improvement in certain areas.
Ye all Man United fans if you think our young red devils might end up like Pogba, then how about the young chelsea blue if they can't feature even in Capital One. I can say the future of United is bright.

Mystik_al

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Thats because chelsea's 19-20 yr old players are out on loan playing first team football.

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02 Nov 2012 08:03:46
Well another big game tomm. I reckon we shut down Corzola and Wilshire and Arsenal will be quite easy for us. The question is which midfielders and formation the manager will play to win the battle in the middle of the pitch.

I think the back four will be Evra, Evans, Ferdinand,Rafael and he will go with Cleverly and Carrick in the middle. I would like to see fletcher start as cover in front of our defense and Valencia, Rooney and RVP.
4-1-3-2 which really means it is 4-1-4-1 or 4-1-3-1-1 formation as Rooney will drift into the middle of the pitch and behind the main striker.

It will interesting to see how Cleverly performs against Wilshire and Corzola. Corzola likes to drift down the left which means he will have Valencia and Rafael to deal with, which to me works in our favor.

Shahram

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________Carrick
___Anderson__Cleverly
Young_____RvP_____Rooney

ALDUtd

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I doubt Fletch will start. He was pretty sloppy in his passing against chelsea imo. I think we will see a mid-field of scholes, carrick and cleverley with rooney, toni and rvp in attack.

De Gae
Rafael_Ferdinand_Evans_Evra
Carrick_Scholes
Valencia_Rooney_Cleverley
RVP

kdevil10

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02 nov 2012 07:25:28
not related to our club..
but being indian its feels proud to hear that 19 yr old brandon rogers is on trail with reading and leicester city... good for indian footbal...

plz post this ed :)

redcore!!

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To those who disagree, you guys dont understand how we feel, when we have a billion people in india and not one can make it in to the top 10 leagues in the world. Except for a few half indians like Chopra, guys like this Kid is all we have.

DesiRed.

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Im really not trying to be a tool here, but surely this kid is 'half-Indian' too - it's hardly a typical Indian name!

Havent heard of him, sorry. Good luck to him though.

RED_SKY

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YEah .. Emotions conveyed bro!!!! go to youtube and watch a goal that he scored for salgaocar fc (its an indian club)... KID is going to b a legend for india (hopefully)

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His name is Brandon Fernandes!

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Atleast get the name right, you named the scouser's 'master tactician' manager brendan rodgers.
The guy is brendon fernandes.

Roane

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LOL... emotions wer too high... its BRANDON FERNANDES



REDCORE!!

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Brendan Rogers is probably good enough to get in the Liverpool team anyway

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02 Nov 2012 07:21:16
Manchester united are being linked with WILFRIED ZAHA!!

source TRIBALFOOTBALL...
Is he good? what position does he plays?

REDCORE!!

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Wilfried Zaha, the guy who destroyed us with Crystal Palace in the capital one cup.

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What's new we are linked to everybody their uncle and their dog. I am inclined to believe 95% of this stuff is bs and only only a few select players are on our list.

We were after Hazzard and Moura and it is obvious the club is prepared to spend money for a midfielder who has proven he can play at the highest level. Zaha for 20 to 25 million is a laughable and not the solution.

Shahram

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Who said 25 mil????? 8-10 mil will b enough i hope..


REDCORE!!

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Zaha has a price tag of 25 million according to Crystal Palace, Ridiculous!

-JakeW

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Anything under 20 they won't even bother listening. I know it can all be talk but that's what he is quoted as saying.

Shahram

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01 Nov 2012 23:58:15
irish lad here, just a quick question does anyone see Robbie Brady ever getting into the united team and does he have real ability to become a class player. cheers

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Yopp. He is very talented and seems like a great professional. He might not be the new giggs but he can do a decent job for us in the future, a bit like darren fletcher, a good squad player in contention for the first 11.

But this is football " bloody he** " he might become a future united great, and he might drop out of football all together. Who knows?

Mick

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01 Nov 2012 18:20:17
ED's are you worried that when Kagawa is back we really do not have any place to play him Rooney is currently playing in his role behind the striker?


RED91 {Ed004's Note - Not at all. It is brilliant to have competition in the squad. However I feel he could play well out left in a 4231}

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