Manchester United Banter Archive October 02 2018

02 Oct 2018 16:24:47
Watching the U19’s on tv at the moment. Thrashing Valencia. Fast, attacking, flowing football 👌🏽.

02 Oct 2018 16:27:51
Its to be expected, he's getting old and its 11 v 1.

02 Oct 2018 16:53:46
Play great football. Hard to judge as 1 team can be on several levels above another. Anyway how about Carrick an Butt till the end of the season? Can't do any worse?

02 Oct 2018 13:59:31
Got a text from MUFC yesterday offering tickets for tonights game, it even said they were available from the ticket office. OT used to be a sell out for games, now they are available easily. Is it because its a tuesday night game or are fans just not bothered watching the boring football?

02 Oct 2018 14:28:59
They haven't text me yet mate, would be surprised if there were a lot of empty seats, might just be a lot of people lining up at the ticket office. Evening kick offs shouldn't affect the attendance, had these types of games for years, the football isn't great but it'd be all of a sudden for people to stop coming, compared to last game.

02 Oct 2018 15:29:34
Scholes, i found it strange. Its def from them as i have other messages.

02 Oct 2018 15:50:12
I got the same via email, was surprised too.

02 Oct 2018 15:54:32
It is from them, its in the fail today, plus i got emails yesterday.

Its a shambles on the pitch why would people go? that's the reason i wouldn't go.

02 Oct 2018 16:20:40
I took three of my kids to about 8 games last year, tickets, coach and food etc meant approx £120 a game. that's the best part of £1000 and most games were crap. There needs to be a serious turnaround in the playing style for me to warrant that much a game this season.

02 Oct 2018 20:05:25
I tried to give my ticket free as I'm out of the country, no one wanted it.

02 Oct 2018 07:28:25
Liverpool fan here.

Firstly ken really glad you are ok.

Puts football into petspective.

I have waited 30 years for there to be a crisis at united.

I really thought i would love it.

But it just don't feel right and definately not the united way. Then again mourinho is not your typical united manager.

The league need a strong united. Liverpool need a strong united.

I think you got to get rid of pogba and mourinho.

Sacrifise the season as united are way way bigger than just one season. If any team bounces back its united.

And as a replacement.

Go and gets wolves nuno santo as he typifies united or pochetino from spurs.

You will be back competing at the top withn a year.

And some of us liverpool will be ruing the day mourinho left. A bit like when rafa benitez left liverpool i suppose.

02 Oct 2018 09:09:19
Good post mate and I agree with everything you have said.

02 Oct 2018 09:56:48
Hi Ravi, nice sentiment throughout your post, I agree, a string Liverpool and a strong united would be great, we seem to miss each other’s strong times tho. Also agree on Poch and Nuno, someone akin with our traditions.

02 Oct 2018 10:42:20
I can't see Levy allowing Poch to leave if Mourinho is sacked.
Dealing with Levy is dealing with the devil.
3 season syndrome is here. Always happens with Mourinho.
I feel like he's buold a new Chelsea.
Big strong players.
Yawn, its boring.

02 Oct 2018 11:23:33
Disagree when people say he is unattainable. Any manager in the world is gettable if you throw enough money around which we have done many a time on bang average players.

02 Oct 2018 11:39:15
Your clearly not from Liverpool Ravi, as us scousers are absolutely loving what's happening at united, and that's exactly how it should be football rivalry and City rivalry are intrinsically linked and tribal. This faux sympathy for them is what I don't get, it won't last much longer because they will get rid of him soon and with the players they have they'll be up near the top by the end of the season so enjoy it while it's happening, you would this K they were bottom 15 points adrift or something, they are more than capable of putting four straight wins together then bang their right back in the mix.

02 Oct 2018 13:29:18
Interesting you should say that, Waro, but one of my Chelsea fan friends was also bemoaning this pale imitation of a United team, though I'm sure he was relishing our misery too.

02 Oct 2018 16:07:39
Beating a rival when their down is fun for a while, but nothing beats beating them when they are playing well.

One of my favourite seasons was the 08/ 09 season. Not only did we have a great team, but for a long time Liverpool looked like they might win the league. Being the team to deny them was so much more enjoyable then beating Arsenal or Chelsea to the title. Because of the rivalry it means so much more.

So I understand that some Liverpool fans would rather beat us at our best than at a low ebb.

02 Oct 2018 16:03:11
Shaw I think everyone is loving it mate. Been boss since pre season.

02 Oct 2018 18:41:39
Scouse john. The only thing better than liverpool losing for me is liverpool nearly winning but then losing so in that regard i think ill be quite happy come the end of the season😂😂
Your right to wallow in our misery but if you win nothing its not much to brag about.
When you do win ill be the 1st over to say well done but i'm pretty confidant that that will not be this season.

02 Oct 2018 07:02:48
Reading comments in the press about some players saying they will not play for the manager. These players are paid extortionate amounts to play for Manchester United, to pull on the red shirt. Not every manager is a good one to work for but this attitude is one of the main problems and regardless what happens to the manager, players with that attitude need to be rooted out of the club in January. SAF would never have stood for this, and Gill would have supported him. Now I am concerned that the club may view those shiny, media money spinners, sorry players, are more important than the manager, yet getting rid of Mourinho now let's those trouble causers win and that sticks in my craw.

02 Oct 2018 07:23:38
Absolutely mate, no matter what they're going through with the manager, all of the money they're on they should be performing for the fans more than anything, the fans who support them haven't done anything wrong! .

I really do find it disgusting how brutal players can be at times, I don't like Mourinho one bit and I think you'll be 10 x the team without him but whilst he is there he's the manager and they should respect that and just get on with it until something changes, unfortunately players these days have far too much power.

If any of us didn't do our job correctly in a workplace what would happen? we'd be gone, I think utd really need big changes and get players like that out asap because they're just poison to the whole club.

02 Oct 2018 09:17:10
Red man, I agree that it's a poor show front those players. However, Jose has to be partially to blame. If you consistently dig out players publicly you can see why those players don't want to play well and help that manager out. Rightly or wrongly the players know bad results will cost Jose his job. If he has alienated them to such an extent that they no longer want to work with him then you can at least understand the logic.

Sir Alex never had this problem, Pep doesn't seem to have this problem.

Maybe modern day players have a different mentality. If that is the case then it is managers who will have to adapt to 25 players in their squad not the players who will adapt to the manager. We don't have to like this brave new world, but we do have to adapt to it if we are to thrive in it.

02 Oct 2018 10:00:16
Good morning Red Man, I don't believe any professional footballer takes to the field and doesn't try and give their best. I just don't think it's in their nature. They've all reached the pinnacle of their sport because of their sacrifice, hard work and determination. They couldn't have done it otherwise. All must be fierce competitors and I bet every single one of them hates losing.

When I hear comments like "downing tools" I think we take this too literally. I think what this means in reality is the players stop listening to the manager. They perhaps become disillusioned with the managers style, tactics or instructions. What you get then it's individualised performances. They start to play for themselves rather than the team. One player might press, the other stand off. One might go forward in search of a goal, another hold their position. They're still trying but they're not playing together as a team, as a coordinated unit all striving towards the same goal. I think this is what we're seeing at Utd at the moment. Players playing for themselves not the team and not following the managers instructions. They've stop listening and that's why our performances appear so disjointed.

It must be incredibly hard for any manager to keep a squad of 25 players happy and engaged. To make them sacrifice their own needs for the sake of the team. The very best managers are able to do this and that's why they are so successful. I just don't think the players are following Mourinho's instructions anymore, that's why he likes players such as Matic, Fellaini and Mctominay because they play how he asks and do their job for team. Perhaps we have certain players that attach more importance to their own performances and desires rather than that of the team. The rub is often these players are the most talented and getting them to do their job can be extremely difficult. Have too many of these players and anarchy can ensue.

Let's see what reaction we get tonight.

02 Oct 2018 11:30:42
I mean when you clearly concede goals because a young midfielder is out of position as a center back and the manager announces it's all the referees fault, you're bound to not really want to play under him. The players need to show respect for sure, but I don't see how they aren't when they are merely attempting to point out what is wrong and then are gunned down by the manager for doing so. The pundits and the fans can pinpoint the tactical problems with the sides Mourinho is picking, I'm sure the players are thinking the same thing and wondering why those problems aren't being addressed.

02 Oct 2018 12:02:13
When you say players won't play for the manager I'm assuming you don't mean actually won't play I'm assuming you mean won't play well in order to get detiorating results and put the manager's position at risk .
If that's common knowledge and in the press it would beg a pretty obvious question in my mind . Why would a manager keep selecting players who were not going to play well in order to jepordise his job, I can think of 4 reasons, he wants to be fired, he thinks replacements would do the same, he's not very clever or the most likely he works with them everyday and duznt believe a word of it.

02 Oct 2018 13:50:55
Slate, did you see the team selection for the last game. Maybe Jose isn't picking players he doesn't think will play for him.

02 Oct 2018 14:15:26
Well if that's the case and he didn't pick players he thought would not try to win the game it's interesting he didn't believe pogba and martial were involved .

02 Oct 2018 15:31:17
If players have problems then they should raise them internally not on social media.

02 Oct 2018 16:17:38
How do we know what players from previous generations would or wouldn't have said on social media had it been about during their time?

Maybe our grandparents feel that true fans don't go online and slate their side publicly and any frustration they have with the club should be kept "in-house".

Brave new world and like it or not we have to adapt to it and accept it. Players are brands now, sometimes as much as 60-70% of their earnings come from off field activities rather than actually playing football.

So is it surprising that they aren't 100% focused on their "on-field" actions.

How many of us watch football online? How many of us know about the next best player by watching football online?

Why are we allowed to have the benefits of modern society and technology while expecting our players to live in a suspended time bubble from the 1970's?

With the advanced and benefits of modern society come draw backs and problems. You can't have one without he other.

There is an irony in coming on to a website such as this and slating a player or the manager or the club for what they say on social media. If you can't see that then you will never be satisfied.

02 Oct 2018 16:29:34
Couldn't agree more Mort I'm not defending pogba and I'm pretty sure he and Jose aren't keen on eachother but the thread was it was suggested some players are deliberately playing poorly and if so jm wouldn't pick them but pogba and martial weren't the ones he didn't pick .
Personally I think people thinking too deep instead of conspiracies could the reason we struggle not be other teams bought better players than us, we bought two poor CBS the midfield often looks slow immobile and not comfortable on the ball, have had very little right side attack for along time and our new left attacker has so far been awful so far . Our tactics of dropping everyone back means even against middle to low ranked prem teams or even championship sides we face large periods under pressure and even doing this we look like we may well concede. Each to their own theory I guess.

02 Oct 2018 16:04:34
Which player has raised issues on social media? I've seen players speak to the press hinting at issues or contradicting the manager, but that same criticism can be levelled at Mourinho, and much more so with his bullying tactics.