Manchester United Banter Archive September 02 2012

02 Sep 2012 23:44:38
I know I may be in 'dreamland' but if the rumours about Ronaldo are true, I cannot see him anywhere else than returning to United, and let me say why before I get shot down.
He has previously said he misses United, and that it's still his family. As well as saying Ferguson is like his father in football.
Ferguson has recently said that Ronaldo is the "First, second and third best player in the world" and has said before he is the only player he would spend £80m on.
It is a totally unnecessary buy, however if we sold Nani for £30m, and raised £50m then I don't see why it couldn't happen, given Ferguson sees Ronaldo as his ultimate achievement in football.
I know I am currently in dreamland and probably not in sound mind, but I would love it to happen.

We sold Ronald's for £80m years ago, he's worth less now as he's older

Hey Adrian

02 Sep 2012 23:33:33
Oh boy! Ronaldo has told Real he wants to leave!

DB-Red

02 Sep 2012 23:29:23
What about mulumbu (excuse spelling) for January?, woulsnt cost mega money, but he kept fêllaini in his back pocket!

Macca!

02 Sep 2012 22:57:29
I am one of Kagawa's biggest fans and think he will be a legend for us. But man, he was poor and invisible today. Just looked sloppy and off the pace. Still a vital player for us and should start the next match, but it's interesting to see him finally have a poor performance in a united shirt. His first half dozen were remarkable, and id take performances like those in 6 out of 7 matches. Scary to think of Rooney back healthy. Not a good team performance today, and SAF will certainly be tearing into his players, but as far as matches where we are humbled this is a pretty decent result. Gets the message across without throwing away any points. -KG

He really wasnt as poor as your making out,carrick,welbeck and evra were far worse

phil

02 Sep 2012 21:46:56
as poor as we were today have a look on the scousers page i guarentee it will make you smile they are in meltdown lol

If i was you i would worry more about your own team. Papering over the cracks comes to mind.

02 Sep 2012 21:24:07
Yes very good we won and all but we shouldn't be needing to score 3 goals against Southampton just to win a game.

The defending today was embarrassing at times, quite a few people are picking out Rafael and Evra but if i'm being honest I thought Vidic and Ferdinand were the main problem in the defence. That is twice this season we have been bullied up top and it is quite concerning that we were still bullied when we had our two best defenders in the team.

The goals we conceded were unfortunate but were preventable, the first Rio should have taken responsibility and followed Lambert and told Rafael to took in like they talked about in the studio after the game, and the second was just an unfortunate slip from Patrice who considering how bad he was last year has had a modest start to the season.

Final problem was none other than Mr Carrick. I do like him as a player but he really does slow the play down. It is pointless playing Cleverley and Kagawa in there who are fast tempo players alongside Carrick because their game is ruined because he constantly slows the play down.

Positives were obviously RVP (apart from the penalty) and the LEGEND that is Paul Scholes who I would like to see do that as his job this year. Of the bench with 20 minutes to go to change the game the way we want it to go

RedKnight

Well either goal wasn't the fullbacks fault they were isolated against big lanky buggers
Anyhow who cares now we won lets get it right for next time

Pardoe

This is why i feel 343 is the way forward. If Lambert or Fellaini weren't able to pick on a small full back as there are three CB's there instead then we wouldn't have conceded those goals.

Since Wigan switched to that formation they have been a real handful for every team they've played and have got some great scalps including ours last season. And no disrespect to Wigan but if we switched to that formation man for man we are a far superior team. I really feel this is the way to go.

Shappy

Look at City and how open they have been playing 3-4-3... it's not as good as you think and would take too long to integrate into the team

RedKnight

City are a complete different team. 343 best suits the players we have and their qualities and strengths. I think our biggest problem is I don't think the training is up to standard atm. We certainly don't seem to have trained enough in our new shape and formation, this is why we looked more comfortable in our traditional 442. But this is a.formation which will and does get destroyed by the top teams.

It doesn't work for City as they don't have the wing backs and they only have one great CB in Kompany. Which is why they look wide open when they play it and limited going forward.

Shappy

02 Sep 2012 21:09:18
Did anyone else see that when RVP scored his third, he went to point or kiss the crest?

melwing28

Of course he did, he is fickle, he also said once a gooner, always a gooner...

I noticed that,but then he must have thought better of it as he would have got slaughtered in the press this morning.i also notice saf is reluctant to heap to much praise on him,hes a wise old owl and even though he knows hes got a cracker he also knows that rvp sh-t on arsenal and would look on with contempt if he saw rvp kissing the utd badge

02 Sep 2012 20:50:42
Its fair to say that our ball retention isn't good enough when Scholes isn't on the pitch. We're going to be in trouble next year when he retires. For me, we need a couple of midfielders, the first is one of Yohan Cabaye, Joao Moutinho or Cristian Eriksen. Secondly, we need someone like Witsel. The priority has to still be Witsel - however I expect Herrera will be that man. And then I think that the following summer we may go for Eriksen or Cabaye, Moutinho will end up at Totenham I think. Eriksen and Herrera will improve us I fancy.

RedDevil19

Mate I have said this all summer. 2 in with Ando out and had we got Cabaye and Witsel we would have a great young CM starting three of Cabaye, Witsel and Clevs. F**king million times better than what we will have to watch this year.

Jono

02 Sep 2012 20:43:43
Just my opinion but I thought DDG had a very good first two games, particularly against Everton where I thought he kept us in game. Big future in my eyes and still number 1 for us.

Enigma

I agree and I think it was unfair to drop him today. Hell if that is the criteria for being dropped then we couldn't field a team. Did you see Reina's howler last game, he didn't get dropped. You have to stand up for you guy and give him confidence.

02 Sep 2012 20:20:12
Really not liking the slating of Carrick today. He played some lovely balls over the top to RVP. Was always there to take a pass and get somebody out a pressure situation. Hes never going to be a Kagawa or a Scholes, but i thought his ball retention was excellent. As ive said before he does a thankless job but im glad we have him because two of scholes cleverly or anderson together doesnt work.

GALWAY RED

Are u for real? bar 1 or 2 long balls he played 100% sideways or backwards. No good having pace up front if he is slowing the game down. Scholes played more directly and see the difference. Also Carrick wouldn't tackle his dinner

Bullseye50

Carrick did ok hes well underated we didn't play great but it will get better, in fact we have no one better than Carrick to break up the oppositions play

Pardoe

Carrick slowed our game down to walking pace, he turned down progressive options into Kags or Clevs in favour of easy passes. He has to change his game and start to trust players with passes into their feet when in close proximity to markers.

Scholes added everything to our midfield, Carrick or Cleverly could have been subbed off.

DodgyBanter

02 Sep 2012 19:56:08
So we now can see that we have a world class striker, something I felt we needed for a while. We got out of jail because of that and whilst thrilling I hope the manager was able to see what is right in front of him.

First we need to look at the tempo of our game. In the first half there was no urgency at all, it was pass for pass sake, strolling around at training speed. It let them in to the game. One concern I had in not strengthening central midfield was the impact it might have on Kagawa, well that was obvious to see, he thrives on quick movement and we had none until the last ten desperate minutes when he had been taken off. We are stuck with what we have now and that is an obvious error, however three questions need answering
1 Who is dictating the tempo we play at
2 Why is Welbeck on the left of midfield, where frankly he was useless. Danny is leggy and does not have the best control so becomes exposed even more in that position
3 What does Mike Phelan do? what input does he have?

So the Manager needs to get them to play with more urgency and a higher tempo. Whether we can do it with Cleverley and Carrick is another matter. The Southampton players also found space behind our midfield and i watched Cleverley get out of position on more than one occasion until the boss took him off. Then we need someone other than Danny in midfield. This concerns me about SAF , it is obvious that he has become fed up with Nani, who managed a decent corner but also displayed the frustrating side with a terrible ball, but was there really no one else he could have tried today in that position? By this I don't mean Giggs. We spend so much time talking about our youth then try and fit a square peg in a round hole with Danny. I would rather see a Lingard or simiar given a chance but as I posted ths morning SAF seems set in his ways with experience being the only way. I suspect it is his heightened need to win in the short time he has left as manager.

We won and RVP saved us , however the warning signals flashed brightly, but is SAF too close and lacking a forthright enough number two to point it out

Red Man

Agree with what you say, but why the ¥$#% does Mike Phelan get blamed? Why is it his fault? We don't know whether he's good, bad or indifferent. Some people just want a scapegoat.

Watch Phelan during the game, he doesn't coach from the sideline. Then cast your mind back to Quiroz and McLaren who were positively coaching. I watched Phelan slumped in one of our first two games, he was not encouraging and his body language was not good. Read Neville's book where he compliments Quiroz and McLaren but says nothing of Phelan. I watched an interview with Phelan and he was unclear what his role did.

My observation on Phelan is based on those but also decisions we are seeng in Phelans time that we didn't see before

Red Man

No name

Look at every other manager in the world they all take advice tactically during the game and constantly have assistants out in the tech area barking orders.

Steve mc, kiddo, Carlos all did this whereas Phelan sits on his arse doing sweet f all and on top of that doesn't even give the subbies their orders, that gets handed to Eric Steele the keeper coach to do. Phelan reminds me of a guy I used to work with. He got promoted to a position of power and thought 'I have made it now' very similar to Macheda's ego. Simple answer to that is his hard work was just starting. If when SAF is in his office day after day Phelan is taking the sessions then he MUST be the one out there giving the orders or advising SAF when it's not working.

I remember a game last season wtching real getting beat and not looking likely to do anything about it. it showed Karanka and Jose in deep discussion just before half time then low and behold they surprise everyone by making all three subs, changing tactics, formation and personnel and they ended up running out winners 4-2 or something. That would never happen with us. sAF would through stubbornness would keep playing and stick to his no subs before 60 min mark and by that time it could be to late.

It was a crime promoting him in the first place as SAF always said that bringing in someone new was always a good thing as different perspectives are good for continuation. Obviously not in this case.

Jono

02 Sep 2012 19:41:40
We have learnt a few things today 1 is that if he keep changeing are keeper and defence we are going to keep conceding. 2 Is lindergard cant take a kick out. And the last thing is rvp shouldnt be takeing the corners weve seen what he can do when hes in the box from them so leave him there.

Agreed but i'd add to that: drop Evra and seriously Vidic and Rio need to get some form.

02 Sep 2012 19:39:25
How great to go back to the days when we have a dutch striker who we can rely on. There is absolutely no point in me talking about all the negatives from todays game as they are the same as the last 2 years we know the solution everyone knows the solution and yet it still doesn't happen and every team knows to get 10 men behind the ball and watch us try and pass the ball through them as we have no midfielder who can run with the ball. You lot have pointed out perfectly the problems we have and quite frankly the standard of passing today was terrible. But let us look at the good things. It was Sir Alex's 1000th game and he showed why he has destroyed Liverpool and turned them into a mid table team fighting for survival. He may not have many seasons left so I am trying to enjoy every last minute of his tenure. And what a gift to leave us with RVP. Maybe he will see that if you want quality you have to pay for it. My favourite moment was seeing him stood in front of a bouncing United crowd with the ball in his hand as they sang his name. Rooney you are going to need to up your game. Come on boys we go to work tomorrow with a spring in our steps. We are United we never lose we just run out of time. I AM KLOOT

Kloot I raise my glass to you sir... Be it the first time you have not been the most negative person on here ..

I love that, we never lose, we just run out of time.

Supasub

I have no doubt that is the best post you have ever made I AM KLOOT congratualtions to joining humanity mate

Pardoe

Great post. KLOOT looking at the positives and Nani beating the 1st defender with a corner...both in one day...who would have thought ; )

Gav

02 Sep 2012 19:34:34
I am over the moon we won. I know some of the doomsayers will hate this post but, I belive we are going to get much better and our fitness level is lacking, I mentioned this after the first game and still see some of it. Carrick had a howler of a game and rio is either still injured or has lost his pace completely. Everyone else was average with the exception of Rvp,Valencia,scholes and Rafael. Nani made good decisions for a change and should have had 2 assists given the missed penalty. Shahram

02 Sep 2012 19:26:49
Not a great performance, but a great win. Southampton played fantastic today and where very unlucky, if they can play like that through the season, i would be shocked if they got relegated.
Van persie just showed you what putting your hand in your pocket can do. Something that should have been done on the midfield, as we where poor throughout the game in that postion again.
I wasn't impressed wth linders today, but it is hard for a player to just get back into his game straight away, after an injury. De Gea though should not have been dropped, he needs to know fergie has faith in him.
good to see ferdy with vidic again, however i think ferdinand will be used sparingly this year, with smalling being a regular, Ferdy didn't do nothing wrong though, just he looked very weary and leggy, which is expected after coming back from injury.
full backs where useless today, evra poor as usual and needs a right good kick up the ass. it was pathetic to watch at times. Rafael though was just as poor, the guy has potential but should really start maturing now. he was excellent against fulham a quite emposing side, but really out of his depth today, has to step up. I would rather have Rapheal the teenage mutant turtle at right back, if he carrys on like that.
now the biggest negative is the midfield which fergy could of improved, but his stubborness and his spineless assistants could not persuade him to bring in someone we need. carrick was so slow and laboured today, it really showed up the club, and all those people who praise him for his role, have to look at this performance and seriously think what they are saying. Cleverly didn't do nothing blantently wrong, however there was no spark or moment of brilliance, you could rely on with scholes, who was great today. The lad needs to step up as we can not rely on the 38 year old ginger prince for long.
Kagawa looked out of place today, but still and excellent player and match winner, just needs the players around him to get use to his intellegent movement and passing . Welbeck was poor on the left, out of position, and even worse up front. Hernandez has to jump ahead of him into 3rd choice striker.
I have no doubt we will improve and find our rythm. it will be good to see everyone fit and Buttner given a chance. RVP exceptional once again and i think he is enjoying his tme here and the chances the team make for him. however, he better practice his penalties!

Great win, well played lads!

aaallj5

02 Sep 2012 11:51:55
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02 Sep 2012 18:47:06
Ok now all the moaners have gone away let's have a serious look at the performance.
Was a tricky game, saints played well about time we praised them a bit,not surprised after seeing what they did at the council house,only surprised they lost to Wigan,but we know Wigan can beat anyone on their day.
They did the right thing in putting in high balls against our full backs,this needs to be looked at especially away from home,maybe Buttner and Jones or Smalling at full back away from home.
Cleverley not at the races but Carrick not much better i'm afraid and for me Anderson is not the answer and never will be.
Scholesy is still our best CM and that is a real worry,think we may regret not paying for Dembele.
Toni was quiet,Danny was awful,truly awful. Would have to pick Chica infront of Danny at the moment.
I think the defence will improve once our players are fit and we have a settled back 4, would rather have DDG in goal.
Overall we were a bit lucky today and Robin I adore you and want to have man love with you.

Red Daz.

As one of the 'moaners', its interesting to read your post. Not a great deal to be positive about was there - you just spin it in a different way.

Personally, I say it as I see it. We were f()king awful. Saved by one man against a team that will be relegated. Bottom line is we did not deserve to win.

Timbo

Glad someone else picked out Valencia's poor display. Thought he looked out of sorts against Fulham too but sure he will pick up again.

Poor performance today but got 3 points. Apparently its title-winning form when you play badly and still get all 3 points is it not ?

Our midfield has much sterner tests to come though. Ones who wont be quite as knackered with ten mins left.

And as for RVP ....we've all got a bit of man love for our new favourite Dutchman.

As the late great Garfield Sobers said:
Form is good and bad.
Class is permanent.

Halesini

Its all about Scholes and RVP tbh introducing Scholes made a massive difference being to hit the ball 40-50 yard on a pin head is win. Welbeck wasn't good RVP oozes class even after the horror show that was the pen

Pardoe

I think lambert going off made a big change , once he was gone they couldnt get out there half or keep possession.
jred

02 Sep 2012 18:34:31
Oh what a game! Got out of jail to be honest! RvP saves the day! Check out Piers's tweets (lol)! Got slapped hard!

kdevil10

02 Sep 2012 18:32:15
There is a downside to what has just happened.....

NANI NOW THINKS HE IS GOOD AT CORNERS!!

Uh-oh!

MPez

02 Sep 2012 18:26:42
Im sick of people slating the side every time we do not win convincingly that is the whole point of the Premiership anyone can beat anyone on their day no matter how much money has been spent that makes it the most exciting league on the planet.... One game of thirty-eight in a season you can not play incredible all the time I think some have forgotten It was an away game at a tough ground with a team sitting back and countering and still some players recovering from long term injuries and arent match sharp along with new signings that have still only played a handful of games.

George

02 Sep 2012 18:21:48
Every and each game will be a final for us!

We played like kindergarten kids.

People will say that we'll get better with time, yes I believe we'll, but we just haded some very few new players, Kagawa and RVP. We should already show a little of chemistry in our game.

By the way, Rio is OVER!

Nice to get the undeserved 3 pts.

RVP had to save the day it looks like he is going to have to carry another team this season.

No Carrick, Cleverly, Scholes, Giggs or Ando are good enough. Our only hope is to see Fletcher comeback well to save ourselves from us.

Congrats to SAF- 1000th is an amazing honor!

Thanks God we have RVP!

Nick86

Totally agree. Most importantly, we snatched the 3pts when they looked dead and buried. RVP has already started paying his fee, he'll get a shedload of goals this season.

But we've played 3 games, and in all 3 our midfield has been molested, pure and simple. How anyone can continue to ignore this is beyond me. Scholes is not immortal - and without him, we look pretty much, clueless.

Defence needs to tighten up too. But 7 from 9pts isn't a bad start.

RED_SKY

02 Sep 2012 18:20:21
Oh look, the same people who were saying 'Fergie Out' and 'No faith in Fergie' are now praising him and saying I told you so. Pathetic.

G.A.G.U.S

Erm who is praising him? that was a tactical, technical and stylistic atrocity.
Only one person deserves praise today and that is RVP
We will see how pathetic it really is when we play a team who werent just promoted shall we, oh wait... what was the score against everton again?

Agreed! Whilst there are legitimate questions to be asked after that shambles of a performence some people on here swing between extremes too easily. Mort

Sorry, where did I say it was a good performance? Where did I say Fergie deserves credit?

G.A.G.U.S

Nobody praising SAF or the team for that performance. It was awfull! Let's not just paint over the cracks coz RVP pulled us out of the s**t! Big improvements still needed.

Boyley

02 Sep 2012 18:16:10
Manchester United will be the death of me. Sweet Jesus!

DB-Red

02 Sep 2012 18:12:20
"Holy F....ck Batman....where did that come from...."

"From Robin.....Man United's new Superhero".

Fantastic result guys.....but only because we had a superhero. With every good side there's a bad side too. We've got too many villians in midfield making a mess of our game.....villians? more like JOKERS! CRASH...BANG...THANK GOD FOR VAN THE MAN!!

02 Sep 2012 18:11:42
I really hope we don't sell Nani this week, we need him for the season... If we'd got a replacement in then ok for him to go.. But not now.

We looked much better today when we switched to 442, Scholes added more in his time than Clevs in the rest of the game. As someone commented earlier, worried about when we play a top team, Liverpool away might be a struggle, or every away game... Could be a long old season!

Great Utd spirit, still in the hunt.

DodgyBanter

If Nani has to go he can stay till January. We can have Gaitan but he won't be able to play champs league.

I think we should stick to 442 till we have the players to play otherwise playing kagawa in the hole doesn't suit us.

marlow

Nani shouldn't be here now! Sell him now if we can get the quoted £23m for him from Zenit.

Use that cash in Jan window to bolster the midfield. Which as everyone has seen in the last 3 games needs bolstering!!

Halesini

02 Sep 2012 18:11:19
Scholes is still our best midfielder, thats not saying much at his age.

To rephrase the famous quote 'if hes good enough hes young enough'
Scholes completely changed the game today.

Agree, Scholes is our best midfielder. But age has nothing to do with it, he's still one of the best midfielders in the league. No-one starts play like him.

Red Joe

He just cant do it for the full 90, I would start him as much as often and give him 60 minutes and then bring on Clev, who still has along way to go.

02 Sep 2012 18:08:58
I thought we could of done with Anderson today, he has a lot more energy and a better passing variety than Carrick also I think Welbeck is dog food at playing out wide hes shocking !! Nani should of started clearly hes in the dog house.

It says a lot about our squad's depth when Anderson and Nani are 'best' replacements we have. Both are horrific players.

Agree Welbeck simply not suited to a wider role. He's not the finished article up front either tbh.

Halesini

02 Sep 2012 18:08:30
Robin Van Persie........worth 24m.

Even better cos he didnt cost us anywhere near 24m

Screw that.... he's worth 50.
nov00

02 Sep 2012 18:06:59
the key to this match was paul scholes
he came on for the last quarter and dictated the game
almost 38 and still going strong

elsewhere welbeck is horrifying
but imo persie and hernandez looks like more deadly strike pair. just w8ng for rooney to come back and see how he pairs up with our todays hattrick hero

I have been saying, kagawa,vanpersie,hernandez all along. I am not sure what it is with welback but for his size he is like a push doll and goes down too easily. People stop slagging Rafael as he had a good game, it is not the first time or last time you will see a small quick wingback lose to a big forward on a perfect cross. Remember, Duncan ferguson, heski, crouch. I blame ferdinand for not marking lambert. Shahram

02 Sep 2012 18:03:24
With 8 minutes left Fergie, who had been sitting the whole game, stands up and goes to the technical area. Hollars to get their attention and points to his watch...a few minutes later they equalize and take the lead...priceless

02 Sep 2012 18:02:45
Those that said rvp was a waste well if it comes to end of season and we win by three points look back at this game. Also bet traffic down on this site now as the scouse will hve had a draft msg to put here. KEVdarko

02 Sep 2012 18:02:26
That's how you win titles we weren't at our best and get a win. for all the doom Sayers on here, we will get better! VAN PERSIEEEEE!!!

GD

02 Sep 2012 18:01:26
We were blessed today.... Southampton deserved at least a point.

carrick has to go... might as well play with 10 men as playing him. Can't defend and offers nothing going forward.

Bullseye50

Nonsense, he dropped 2 balls onto RVP's foot. Most of the team looked off the pace today, too often passes were misplaced.

AJH

Maybe an off-day but have you not seen Carrick's defensive stats / possession for last year ? Higher rated than Parker and Barry in the same role.

Halesini

Does he tackle ....no
Does he control midfield .... no
Is a goal threat ......no
does he protect the defence...no
Is he good in the air...no
is he even a footballer..... probably not

Bullseye50

02 Sep 2012 18:00:52
Rumour that Nani put a decent corner in to win the game! SHANDY

Tis true. I actually missed the winning goal as I had fallen off my chair at that point!

Halesini

02 Sep 2012 17:59:38
fergie doesn't have a clue, sack the management! Or maybe wait until the end of the match and see united do what they always do!

Oooooo robin van Persie!!

GDS

Think maybe RVP's been learning where every Nani corner goes? ;)

DodgyBanter

GDS
im sorry pal but RVP hattrick just papers over the cracks of a poor performance for me.
Tempo was again a major issue and the turning point of the game was lambert going off
jred

We were the second best against a newly promoted team! Wellbeck Left winger? SAF is going nuts. Ferdinand is officially over, Carrick is ghost of himself.

Jred,

Funny thing is, city beat them 3-2 at home and everyone on here said 'sign of champions' winning when you play badly.

But when we do it we are papering over cracks. It wasn't convincing but does it matter, that's what supporting united is all about, you can't beat that feeling can you??

GDS

No name,

Possession suggests we weren't 2nd best. City got the same result against them at home, after the start of the season 6 points from 6 is all we could ask for.

Hopefully the performances will come, we clearly need to improve, but champions win when they don't play well, we have been doing it for years!

GDS

Possession does not mean a thing when you're a far superior team and have better players. We had to play better and please don't come up with excuses.

Yes its amazing to get the 3 pts but won't happen forever. Remeber Wigan, Newcastle last season?

3 games and no convince game. I know we'll get better because its our obligation as a team that we are. I

Thanks to RVP to save the day.

Nick86

02 Sep 2012 17:57:44
Shock we come back and win when we play awful!
But biggest shock
Nani beat the 1st man with a corner 5 years its took

I was thinking exactly the same thing. I get so annoyed when we play a short corner and end up losing the ball before it goes into the box so finally when a ball goes in and beats the first man, we score. Simple

Welsh Dragon

Shocking isn't it!

He must have been watching when I tore him to shreds on the Paddy Crerand Show two weeks ago!


MPez

02 Sep 2012 17:57:05
ok amazing comeback as us united fans love to see but seriously, we still got outplayed today n midfield was terrible. we wer lucky to pull it bk and i fear playin the likes ov city this season...anyway il leave it to the players to sort out and for today enjoy a special 3 points

1991devil

02 Sep 2012 17:56:33
WOW. misses a penalty and still gets a hat trick. RVP is worth every penny! That was amazing.

02 Sep 2012 17:56:02
how we won that ill never know, southampton were the better team but a win is a win.

JK92

02 Sep 2012 17:52:03
ROBIN VAN PERSIE YOU BEAUTY!!!!

JK92

02 Sep 2012 17:51:21
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02 Sep 2012 17:47:49
PHEW! what a relief...

02 Sep 2012 17:44:58
RVP! hhHah hahahhaa haha a ha a h a hah

02 Sep 2012 17:43:23
we'll be luck to get 3rd this season, chelsea and man city look better than us, we look on par with spurs and arsenal.

02 Sep 2012 17:42:42
Carrick has now resorted to long ball tactics, WOW.

02 Sep 2012 17:41:12
At least we have a decimated, injury ravaged CM and we had to play carrick and clevs in there haha.

Another long long season watching the same old walkover in the middle. Anyone else noticing how much RVP is spending in the centre circle tryin to get the ball? Terrible!

Absolutely pointless signing top strikers if the balls never gonna reach them!

Jono

Unless they hit a hat trick and win the game

02 Sep 2012 17:40:10
Please no more in Fergie we trust, the team selection and subs are crap.Our midfield, and LB have not been improved, just hoping to finish in the top 4.

02 Sep 2012 17:36:15
Genuine question. How does Gary Nev keep his composure whilst watching this sh1t? He must be seething inside. Fair play to the guy. He's up there with the ultimate United legends for me.

Future manager I hope.
Timbo

He pointed the obvious weakness out mate when he said the defence are getting dragged all over because the midfield is being dominated. There is only 1 person in this world that doesn't see this so it seems!

Jono

02 Sep 2012 17:29:59
this isnt just the midfield. the entire squad is being overrun. rvp fancy foots a penalty and gets it saved...come on. thats unacceptable.

Then scores 2 more to make it his first hatrick in 2 starts

When 2-1 down its unacceptable but I will let him off now!

Supasub

He made up for it!

Caolán.

Sell him??

GDS

02 Sep 2012 17:26:56
I would be happy with a point the way we are playing...
Disappointing performance..

Vicky

02 Sep 2012 17:24:16
Welback stay and Kagawa off? Ha!

02 Sep 2012 17:22:30
2-1 down and we bring Kagawa off?! What is the manager thinking? Has he lost the plot? Welbeck doing nothing; Kagawa looking dangerous. Unbelievable!! I'm losing faith in SAF.

02 Sep 2012 17:22:08
We are being overrun in midfield...
Maybe now fergie regrets not signing a midfield enforcer..
But he is the manager... he knows best..

Vicky

02 Sep 2012 17:20:59
This is alarming!

02 Sep 2012 17:06:14
There got to be some serious problems in the training or coaching program in our midfield division. While most of EPL team get stronger in their midfield, only our midfielders got no progress and out played each and every game. Aren't we sopposed to be one of the strongest in the world?
Though City played SouthAmptn 3:2 2 weeks ago, they had a possession of about 65:35. What's the number we have now?

02 Sep 2012 17:04:12
This is so reminiscent of last year, inability to break down inferior teams. The quality of play is awful, at the moment southampton are our equal. Swansea play better football than us for god sake! Sorry guys but i dont believe the players are the problem (although carrick is useless) the style of play has to stem from the management, something is going very wrong on the training ground in my opinion.
Im not going to mention the CM problem because it is boring now, but yet again it is plain for all to see.
Sorry and i know most will disagree but this team needs a new philosophy and direction and ultimately new management.
And before anybody suggests this is a kneejerk reaction, united were crap all last year bar the first 3-4 games, and another 8 or so games when we played liverpool chelsea and arsenal in quick succession. Frankly its a miracle we nearly won the title, and actually it was a bad thing because it masked the problems we are seeing at this early stage of the season.
The sooner we get mourinho or guardiola the better, in the meantime we should just sack mike phelan and make ole number 2

Mate it's hard for almost very team in the league to break down teams away from home, especially when the home team gets ahead and have 10 guys behind the ball. Shahram

I do agree welback is no good on the left

02 Sep 2012 16:59:30
Somebody needs to help SAF with his team selection, it's head scratching. Nothing out of the midfield.

02 Sep 2012 16:51:31
We look lethargic, lazy, sluggish, slow, lack lustre, no creativity its awful. Welbeck should never play on the wings hes embarrassing.

02 Sep 2012 16:42:51
Carrick having howler of a half so far.

02 Sep 2012 16:30:50
dreading playing a top side we're gonna get demolished

Every game this season is going to be challenging bc we'll struggle to dominate the midfield.

Ceverly isn't a holding midfielder and not god on the defensive end. Carrick is ok at best.

Kagawa has to step up in the 2nd half. He's struggling against the physical attention he's getting.

02 Sep 2012 16:21:04
I dont know why Welbeck is starting. I mean Nani has better width option and defending wise atleast he covers more and helps evra. I sweard our football strategy is is so bad. As it is we have 3 in middle of park we dont need Welbeck in middle!


Red Samurai

I agree though I have a feeling more than just footballing reasons are in force here. I would not be at all surprised if Nani was to go to Zenit before the Russian window closes. I know it makes no sense with us not being able to get anyone in but he has been left out twice now, this time for someone playing out of position.

Welsh Dragon

02 Sep 2012 15:49:49
Final Score,
South 0 Man United 5
Scorers--
RVP= 2
Nani=2
Chicharito =1

Nani is not starting, so can' t see him scoring 2. I hope Hernandez get's some playing time. Shahram

02 Sep 2012 15:37:00
Nani and DDG not in starting lineup, Rio starting. What does this mean for Nani?

Sold to the Russians hopefully!
Shamone!

Halesini

02 Sep 2012 15:23:45
i'm looking forward to the 2014 football manager already. It should be quite a challenge getting liverpool out of the championship.

02 Sep 2012 15:14:54
Ferdinand?

Didn't see that one coming.

MPez

02 Sep 2012 14:29:38
Nani will not be sold, at least not until next summer, if he was sold to Zenit then United can not get a replacement in and also when it comes to january window Uniteds targets for that position will all be cup tied in the champions league.
So basically he has this season to sort himself out just like Anderson or risk being moved on.

Jaylg19

Muniain wouldnt be cup-tied.

Halesini

02 Sep 2012 13:42:46
Today's game against Southampton will be tough they are certainly no pushovers. Hopefully we will put out a good performance and win.

Mad Hatter

02 Sep 2012 11:47:29
Hoping for this:

_________DDG________

Raf__Evans__Vidic___Buttner

____Carrick__Clevs_____

Tony___Kagawa___Welbeck

_________RVP_________

Although wouldn't be surprised if Giggs or Nani start instead of Welbeck, or Scholes starts in the mid 2.

Put Buttner in cause of reports on here that Pat is injured.. If he's fit he'll start then be subbed to give Buttner a run IMO.

Looks a good team now Evans is back :)

DodgyBanter

Ferdy and Evra fit! Not far off otherwise :)

DodgyBanter

02 Sep 2012 11:20:46
Score predicitons lads? I'm going for 2-0 united with rvp to give us an early lead and kagawa to score a nerve settler in the second half! Will be a tough game!

Caolán.

Im going 4-1 rvp hat trick

3-1 to united.

Supasub

I'm going for RVP to hit the back of the net bang on 10 min, I expect Kagawa to pull up injured on the 16 min mark, southampton to equalise on 33 min and Rio to get the winner at 77 min.

BornInToIt

02 Sep 2012 12:53:42
Let's celebrate the Bosses achievement today. 1000 league games in charge of Manchester United. He has given us two decades of absolute dominance and for those of us old enough to remember a time before him when our season used to be over by January it has been a joy. Of course i will always believe that Sir Matt was the greatest manager the club ever had in fact I will always believe he was the greatest ever manager. But Sir Alex has put us right back where we should be at the top of the football tree. He made it his business to completely destroy Liverpool. look at where they were when he took over and where they are now. He must take all the credit for that. Of course me and Sir Alex have different opinions about our beloved owners and I have been critical about some of his dodgy financial dealings. But don't let this detract from what a fabulous manager he has been and the great players he has put in a red shirt. Sir Alex I thank you and celebrate your time at United for the pleasure you have brought us and the pain you have caused Liverpool. I AM KLOOT

02 Sep 2012 11:54:29
Who would you guys like to see play today? Also what formation would you say would fit best against Southampton?

This is mine:

_______De Gea
Rafael_Evans_Vidic_Evra?
____Carrick_Cleverly
Valencia_Kagawa_Nani
________RVP

I would also like to see Hernandez get a run out today, he is one of my preferred players. I just hope he isn't forgotten.

-JakeW

02 Sep 2012 08:48:18
Good to see that Dembele had a poor start at Spurs. Carried on the poor form he showed against us. Sure he will only get worse as the season goes by.

Phew. Close call. Well done Fergie.
Timbo

The funny thing is AVB did not want him...

He wanted ANDERSON.....

now how many people on here would swap the 2???

the funny thing is if Anderson had of gone to spurs he would have been asked to play the role he was purchased for here but never actually given. An attacking mid-fielder...

AND i think he would have got that desire back and the old Anderson too..

Yep. Thats a fair point.
Timbo

02 Sep 2012 08:20:00
i think we could play kagawa and young in cm ang valence (spelling) nani on both wings rooney playing behind RVP when rooney is injured welbeck ahead of RVP and usaul back four

Once a red always a red

Young is injured

=v1=

02 Sep 2012 05:53:50
Personally very happy with the work done in the transfer window in terms on squad strenthening and adding good young players for the future. Also it appears sensible within a climate of a European recession and FIFA Financial Fair Play. The midfield is a concern for many but we enter this season with more strength than last year and with a number of excellent young prospects. Tunnicliffe, Petrucci, Cole, Lingard and Powell.
Our squad is strong and hopefully fortune will go with us this year with very few injuries.
My main hope for the season is that Wazza regains his motivation, fitness and dare I say it ...professionalism ! If he does, the season will be mouthwatering. RVP, Kagawa, a fit and motivated Wazza, TV7 and Cleverley combining will produce some great football. Bring it on.
PerthDave

02 Sep 2012 02:28:22
The thing I don't understand is, with us bidding 25m+ for Lucas while in for a 20m+ RVP, where was the harm in spending the Lucas (could even say Hazard also) money on Witsel, Garcia or Dembele? Our midfield.is crying out for someone who can intercept play and go forward too.

Hopefully Fletcher can get to his best, was much better than Carrick when fit.

Red_Lad

02 Sep 2012 00:04:05
just wondering, are we allowed to loan players after the window has shut? just wondering because if that fabregas thing was real im sure he would prefer a loan move rather than having to move teams again? {Ed007's Note - Players can't be loaned in.}

01 Sep 2012 23:20:10
I don't think we'll get witsel, we'll just get Hector herrea in January and I don't know what fergie will do then, hopefully a world class player or a strong one, and can someone tell me is herrea good?,

Spencer!