Manchester United Banter Archive June 30 2011

30 Jun 2011 23:31:17
Can anyone tell me why United arn't represented in the England squad at the u17 world cup tourno in Mexico?

30 Jun 2011 23:03:59
It seems United are selling Nick Ajose, and not loaning him out as previously expected. So if we are willing to sell a 19 year old (2 yrs before 21) it seems we are having a good clear out this year for the next crop. It seems we are going to have more players moving through our academy more quickly. They will be judged at 19, rather than 20-21 and if not good enough they will be sold on and we will target top quality 15 year old's from around the world.

I think SAF has realised with these new rulings coming in that the future is youth production. We will see a massive change in the youth set-up from now on I am sure, we also have FC Twente to hold our south American talent. I think SAF has realised this year looking at our U18's, that they were better than the reserve players that were at the club at the ages of 19, 20 & 21. SAF is clearly making room for the U18's and clearing out the deadwood.

It seems United & Liverpool have stole the march on all of the other academies. Arsenal are getting left behind. I expect ALL of our reserve players will be the U18's from last season, it will not consist of Diouf, Obertan, Bebe etc, it will consist of our 17 & 18 year old's. Our academy will be 15, 16 & 17 year old's. I think we will still use the reserves for our first team if returning from injury, but I think we will have a very youthful reserve team & academy team next season.

Sydney!

30 Jun 2011 22:38:51
United have today signed 17 year old Gollini from Fiorentina which has infuriated their president, I know this isn't new news and it has already been posted today, but I just wanted to say that I am a bit gutted about this signing because we now have zero chance of ever signing Jovetic now we have pssed off their president 'again'.

Apparently he is meant to be a top quality prospect, I guess you cannot be surprised after the grilling the president has given us.

Sydney!

30 Jun 2011 21:58:42
knowing fergie, there will be no marquee signings..but we will most probably buy a midfielder in the region of 15M-20M..im just hoping we can steal Nasri..

Gonne {Ed007's Note - Could someone tell me what a "marquee" signing actually is? I get it a lot on the Celtic page as well. Was the Wee Pea a marquee signing, or Vidic, Ronaldo etc. I ask CFC supporters if Kayal, Izaguirre or Hooper were classed as marquee signings when they signed? It seems a buzz phrase that has entered the football language now but in my opinion is a lot of nonsense, good scouting systems means that "marquee" signings do not always mean good signings:

www.celticrumours.co.uk/ar_3.php

30 Jun 2011 21:02:06
Ed, what do you make of the current Nasri situation? Have your views changed on whether he will stay?

Sydney! {Ed007's Note - I think Nasri will leave Arsenal Syd, if he wants to win trophies he should come to Utd, if he wants the big money and a slimmer chance of a trophy haul then he will go to City I would think. I don't think it is a ploy to get Arsenal to come up with more money, as I imagine they made him a very healthy offer to stay, especially with the Cesc rumours again this summer}

30 Jun 2011 20:20:32
we need to sign a midfielder but the question is who?
I feel Sneijder wouldn't work because he'll never be able to live upto the fans expectations. People seem to think that if he signed then we'd be able to beat barca but this simply isn't the case, i have no doubts that once he's settled then he'd be a good player just like Berbatov and Veron but just like them because of how much he'd cost he'd be labled a flop.
Put it this way if we signed berbatov and veron for between 12-15m each would they still be labled flops? both were/are good players for us and do a good job in the team but were deemed not good enough for how much we paid for them.

Also what kind of midfielder do we need? well everyone keeps saying we need a "scholes" replacement, now Scholes' most important quality is his ball retention and his distribution. So to say we need an attacking midfielder is possibly incorrect as we have Anderson who's just signed a 5 year deal, Cleverley who Sir Alex rates very highly and who he wants to give chances to next season and Giggs, as well as Rooney who although not an "AM" likes to drop back into the space an "AM" would normally operate.
So i don't feel we need an "AM" also the game has moved on to a point where you rarely need a Defensive Midfielder so to spend alot of money on someone like that would be abit of a waste in my opinion as we have Fletcher and now Jones who can do that role on the few occasions that it's needed.
So what we need is a midfielder who has good vision and movement and who's ball retention and distribution are their best attributes. The list of players i feel would be best for this is as follows(in order of suitability):

Arturo Vidal- his movement and tenacity as well as his passing are what sets this lad out as my top target. cost? between 10-16m

Steven Defour- a great player with the ball at his feet who always plays with his head up, only down side could be his possible injury concerns. cost? between 8-12m

Ever Banega- this lad possibly has the best passing of the bunch but the defensive side of his game needs more work also his ability to adapt to the premier league could be questioned. cost? between 15-18m

Moussa Sissoko-Great going forward and tracking back but needs to play with his head up more and improve his ball retention as he gives the ball away too often. cost? between 16-22m

now i've left off Javi Martinez as i feel he is unobtainable due to his potential cost(in excess of 35m) and the way his club would start a bidding war would leave us in the same position as with Sanchez.

other possble targets could be Nasri who i really rate and wouldn't mind seeing at the club, but i feel he'd be playing in the space Rooney wants to play in and he'd stop Anderson and Cleverley being given chances. Or Witsel who is a great player who again i'd love to see at the club, but feel that we don't have a great enough need for a player of his qualities.

As always i'd love to here what any of you think.

Shappy

30 Jun 2011 19:43:36
if we lose Nasri to City SAF must have a ace up his sleeve and i think it must be the dutch midfield general any thoughts anyone

30 Jun 2011 19:17:25
I think nasri is gonna join city and get the money that'll keep him happy, and we are going to sign sneijder because i heard that the new coach at inter is willing to sell him. I think he'll be a great signing WAY better than nasri or modric.

30 Jun 2011 18:10:54
I really do hope Nasri signs for us, But at the end of the day City are a club that will win the league in the next few years, they're prepared to offer him stupid wages, so why wouldn't you go there?

Yes, If he signs for us he'll have a greater chance of winning trophies but if he goes to City he'd also have a pretty good chance of winning trophies.

I personally think He'll sign for us over City, But let him to what's best for himself and his career, in terms of financial security City is the move, in terms of winning silverware, well it's not the worst choice he could of made.

Everyone criticizes players who sign for money, But it's a job No matter who you work for, What you do, or how long you've been doing it, if you get two job offers one with £100,000 per year and the other with £40,000 per year, but the one offering less money is a more successful company which one are you really going to go for?

The Moon.

30 Jun 2011 17:49:33
Lets take advantage of the Arsenal exodus by offering £35m for Wilshere.

Sydney!

30 Jun 2011 17:43:57
What is going on in football why don't players just open there wallets and say fill me nobody wants to sign for one of the biggest clubs in the world u mention Real or Barc oh yes great, u mention AC or Inter wow I'll play in Europe u mention united or arsenal oh I'll wait and see how much I can get out of s**tty or chelsea

30 Jun 2011 17:39:51
Of course City are looking at Nasri he's apparantly one of our targets. Being a scout for City must be the easiest job in football just look at the papers and Internet and see who we are linked to then report back. Still though if Nasri does move and has told the truth that he is looking to win trophies then he should pick us. If he is just looking for a bigger paycheck which wouldn't surprise me then he is most likely City bound.

Rjmanutd

30 Jun 2011 17:28:53
I'm really sceptical about STEVEN DEFOUR joining us.
In 124 league appearances he has scored only 13 goals and i would prefer a goal scoring mid who would give us 10-12 goals per season, we already have ANDERSON who doesnt score and we dont need to add to that list..

GERRARD, LAMPARD are goalscoring mids(though they take penalties)...............so i think NASRI would be perfect for us.

Just my opinion

MUMBAI_BOY

30 Jun 2011 17:14:32
Wonders where all those people are that for the last 2-3 years have said you wont buy anyone you have no money

30 Jun 2011 17:09:08
There is no way Wenger will sell us Nasri.
Wenger would quit first. Also if Nasri is available you will find most top foreign clubs will be interested in him.

30 Jun 2011 16:53:22
first tevez then sanchez now nasri what is it with man city's obsession with all things man united.

30 Jun 2011 15:50:19
Just saw Modric outside OT. Lets hope he wears a better T Shirt than De Gea

30 Jun 2011 15:44:17
why does the number that comes after Ed change? {Ed004's Note - Different Ed's}

30 Jun 2011 15:13:18
So I guess we will find out today if he is a fraud or not? Some of the stuff he has said seems pretty close, and he is not a compulsive Tweeter, so he really does post when he has heard something. I am pessimistic, I always am these days.

Sydney!

So what's your opinion on compulsive posters on this site Sydney? LOL LOL LOL LOL

30 Jun 2011 14:51:56
This is just my opinion but i would love to see both Nasri and Cavani come in now to round off a great summer
with these 2 on top of young jones and de gea i feel we will have a great chance at champions league.

cavani and nasri only valued around 20m each so 40 for the pair and we are laughing.


Starting XI: De Gea, Fabio, ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher(DCM), Valencia(RM)Young/nani(LW), Rooeney(ACM), Cavani(CF, Chicaritio (CF)

wot u think ed? syd?

30 Jun 2011 14:33:20
ed, if berbatov is sold this summer, do you think we will sign another striker? {Ed007's Note - Yes}

30 Jun 2011 14:28:33
I said earlier that SAF was keen on signing Nasri for £20 but ALL OF A SUDDEN City are interested. It just happens that we are keen to getting Sneijder and Sanchez they come along thinking all the money of the world will get you high class players. This isn't rumor, it's fact that nobody wants to join your club because you don't have trophies and an ego through the roof that has nothing to show for. You aren't a club in fact I don't claim you part of Manchester more like part of Abu Dhabi. I say we should sign Nasri because of nonsense of a club like City. I have more respect for other rival clubs any day piece of s**t City.

30 Jun 2011 13:56:32
Ok if most of the people on here agree that Jones was only bought this season as others had increased their interest so we moved then how do some of you automatically think we are now using him in CDM position in the starting line up?

He may well do a Chicho and burst on the scene with cracking performances and stay there because of that but I for one definitely dont think he will start the season as a first 11 regular. Unless a few injuries and we sign nobody for that position then we may well have to put him there but certainly wont start ahead of Fletcher and Carrick.

Im sure Fergie with the fixtures we got by the Chelsea game would like to be fully up and going so we get a home 3 points against them and playing well. Im not saying Jones wont help us to play well but just cant see him starting as our 1st choice in CM.

Jono

30 Jun 2011 13:16:34
De Gea, Young and Jones done.
All we need now is a replacement for Paul Scholes
Who is it going to be ;
-Sneijder
-Modric
-Nasri
-De rossi
-Juan mata
Who is more likey to come to OT. Any thoughts Ed?

30 Jun 2011 11:08:06
If we sell berba this summer, then Ed do you think we will have a need to sign a striker? If yes then who do you think it'll be? {Ed007's Note - I would love to see Higuain sign for Utd personally}

30 Jun 2011 11:40:20
why doesnt sir alex play nani in the sneijder, nasri role in the centre of the park that will solve our creative midfielder problems and keep nani happy and at the club playing regularly? what do you think ed? {Ed001's Note - isn't that where Rooney ended the season playing well? Why would you want to move arguably the best player at the club out of the position that suits him best? Especially for an inconsistent player like Nani.}

30 Jun 2011 11:11:41
Smalling made the best XI of the U21 Championships, he was the only Englishman.

Sydney!

30 Jun 2011 11:05:09
I THINK WE COULD BE IN A STRONG POSITION WITH MATA, DUE TO THE FACT THEY HAVE SHOWN INTEREST FOR BERBATOV. SO COULD BE A PLAYER + CASH OFFER.........

30 Jun 2011 07:22:40
Just a thought, SAF may consider freshing his coaching team, Ray Wilkins? , imo he is excellent at understanding the game and footballers

30 Jun 2011 02:50:03
29 Jun 2011 23:18:23
came across this site to see rumours, etc, got to let you that we have indeed carried out medical procedures on Young, Thomas and De Gea (nice guy) To advise we have no further medicals booked from United (need 2 weeks notice) and there are no bookings pending. So looks like no more signings this summer - sorry. {Ed012's Note - You don't need two weeks notice if you are prepared to pay enough, it's how the world works regrettably However, if you are correct, are you suggesting clubs book medicals on transfer deadline day just in case they need one?}

Where do I start with this one.

1. You couldn't even get the names of the players we have signed correct, Thomas ? WTF is Thomas, I think you mean Jones

2. "medical procedures" as you call it is a very simple task that could be carried out by a GP if you so wished, indeed the club doctors could carry it out if they wanted to, its just easier doing it at a venue where blood tests and urine tests can be conducted, it also keeps the media away as they are all at carrington.

3. United would get an appointment at the drop of a hat, to say you need a flat-out two weeks booking is one of the stupidest things I have read on here.

I smell a jealous liverpool fan..... yet again.

30 Jun 2011 00:08:34
to be perfectly honest, i think we signed our 'scholes replacement' years ago. and no it was not wayne rooney but Anderson

okay before everyone starts jumpong on my back think about how good he was before he joined us. then, in his first season he wasnt given to many chances, but since then has been going from strength to strength. the biggest problem was that he suffered a massive setback with his injury this season.

so therefore i really dont see SAF going and splashing out upwards of 30 or 40 million pounds on a player, especially ones that are unproven in the premiership. instead, we are going to see our reserves and youth team players eg, morrison and pogba.

were going back to the 'you cant win anything with kids' years people, and look just how good we were then

Noley

29 Jun 2011 23:49:59
Just a thought, but could Nani's omission from the Champions league final prove to be a master stroke by Ferguson? By that I mean, I think Nani lacks the high levels of consistency required to be deemed world class, although I also know he is capable of turning it on, he doesn't keep his foot on the gas week after week.... I think Sir Alex saw it as a learning curve for him. (obviously allied with tactical reasons) Nani was good last season but still very patchy, and for me, if Nani stays, its time to truly start delivering high standards every single week, like some of the players he already thinks he's part of do.....
Different angle of chat for you?
Rumplestiltskin.