Manchester United Banter Archive March 30 2013

30 Mar 2013 23:25:43
migtent have to be a busy summer people were sorted at the back
vidic keane
jones evans smalling I think rio will leave
centre mid needs refurbishing badly ando fletcher schoelchs all should go that leaves powell claverly and michael carrick up front is great dosen't need to be touched the winges are sorted zaha valencia nani I think young should go and welbeck should play out there more left back evra is first choice and fabio will be cover for both fullback positions I really think buttner should become a winger would offer defensive abilitys but is currently better than nani young and valencia put together so ins
zaha confirmed strootman and johnny willams could see one marquee sining but its very unlikely outs are a different thing so heres my opinion
lindegaard rio young macheda bebe ando fletcher wooton valencia might leave depending on if a winger is brought in
Paddy The Irish Man

Johnny Williams, do me a favour. I watched CP get trounced by Birmingham, and he was one of the worst players on the pitch.
We are man united, we need to buy the best, we've got plenty of fringe average or below average already, young, Valencia, cleverly, Anderson. We need to buck up our ideas!

Im sorry noname I didn't specifically mean john willams I meant somone of his age and someone that has potental like him SAF probably won't buy two midfielders that will be first choice in the summer its more likely he go like that and buy one first teamer for example strootman and one player like powell last year
Paddy The Irish Mam

30 Mar 2013 21:59:05
Why? I was never the best footballer at my high school but I was always taught as a winger to take on my man and put in a cross. Obviously it wasn't that simple for me due to me being horrific!

Ashley Young you are a professional footballer who gets paid thousands upon thousands a week and yet you still do nothing with the ball. I never usually single out one player but ever since we brought this guy he has done little for the club.

He will get the ball and instantly turn around and pass it to the fullback or a midfielder. He doesn't even consider running at his man, ever flicking it passed him and use his speed to run around him.

Yes defensively he may be alright and his work rate is top notch but what's the point in a winger who doesn't do his main objective?

We will be selling Nani this summer, but I personally think he shouldn't be the only winger leaving this summer.

On a brighter note at least Zaha is more of an attacking winger which we desperately need.

Have you considered that none of our wingers are doing that much atm, even Valencia who was the best in the league at it a season or two ago. I suspect they are having it coached out of them due to the new tactic's the coaches/manager is trying to implement. I find that a much more likely scenario rather than three wingers who are/were the best in the league at beating a man all lose that ability over night.

It will be interesting to see what they do next season.

Shappy

It has got nothing to do with coaching it out of them but our lack of pace of play and lack of midfield creativity. It is hard for wingers to beat 2 or 3 guys given most teams have plenty of time to set up to defend the way we go forward.

When they do have space to run there is hardly any advanced/support players in the box due to how deep we sit and defend.

We are set up to defend first and then counter and do not go forward in numbers and asking a front 3 or 4 to beat 6 or 7 defenders.

I watched Valencia for Equador and he seems to be just fine in a team that goes forward in numbers.

Jake I agree Young is a squad player and in hindsight a Waste of money given what we paid for him, However Zaha will also struggle if we play this way.

Finally, I feel sorry for Kagawa as he is a very talented player with great ball control and passing but needs better players in the middle of the park to show what he can do.

Shahram

31 Mar 2013 10:42:50
Sharam, did you fully read my post? I said it was being coached out of them due to new tactics. Which is pretty much what you said. The coaching will be done to match the tactics. So if the tactics are to not flood forward in numbers and to sit deep then that is what they will be coaching to the wingers.

What I mean by saying it is being coached out of them doesn't mean they are having the ability coached out of them but that they are being taught and trained to play a different way which doesn't suit them.

I think we have played this way due to a lack of strength and pace in our midfield, so the team sits deep and doesn't come forward too much in order to help cover our defence. Hopefully with a couple of midfield signings this will change next season.

My bad shappy, now that you have explained. If you watch Valencia for example yesterday and I know he is not having a good year but a lot of times when he gets the ball there are 3 players within 10 yards of him and no winger can get past that on a consistent occasion and will end up giving the ball away if he tried.

Ashley young on the other hand had a ton f space in the first half but did nothing with it.

Shahram

30 Mar 2013 18:22:29
Quite funny I was slaughtered for saying that the England game on Tuesday was like watching United. Today we bossed the first half and then just backed off second half. Does anyone dare come on here and defend that fat arsed over rated waste of space Anderson. How many times did players just run past him or run away from him. As for Young over 80% of his passes today went backwards. For gods sake you are on the wing, take some one on and go past them. We all know your just going to cut in and curl it to the far post. We will be the first team to win the league without a midfield. The amount of long balls from the back is scary. Admit it how many of you were screaming at the screen for Fergie to make some changes when Sunderland were over running us. Thank god for Vidic and Carrick today.

Couldn't agree more kloot. Boring, non inventive, lacking in every way.

Sorry KLOOT, even when Sunderland stepped it up in the second half, I never had any doubts the team would see it out. They didn't have one shot on target as far as I could see.

Carrick was immense today, as well as Vidic and Evans.

I challenged somebody yesterday who called Evans shaky. I think he is here for years to come, a tremendous player.

Wickham had one late on

Carrick has been wonderful all season the guy just needs some help in there.
Vidic and Evans superb, our defence is very tight at the moment.

Red Daz {Ed004's Note - Thats why I reckon this season we need 3 midfield changes 2 wingers and a partner for Carrick, Rodriguez and Strootman look likely but after recent comments we should go all out for Gotze as well}

Would still take Ando over Cleverley at any given day, mate.

ZigZag

Sorry noname, I stand corrected. DDG was hardly extended though. Couple of punches and a dribble of a shot - if that's the most a home team can get against us, we're not doing too badly.

30 Mar 2013 17:37:45
On mutv, alec stepney said that we could have gone in at half time two or three up? What game was he watching? We created very little but got the win thru a gritty performance.
I would prefer for the pundits to be honest rather than talk b. t and pay lip service to their bosses.
Need to go for a drink after thus performance!
Nomidfield

Come on, we were not good second half but could easily have been well ahead by half time

30 Mar 2013 16:47:13
antonio valencia has had a disappointing season and against sunderland today he again struggled. His crossing has been poor and he is also struggling to beat avg left back. I feel he should be sold in the summer with zaha coming and if nani leaves maybe sign rodriguez. what do you think ed?
Sarnab

Young was poor as well.

Nani has been poor all season as well.

In fact both have them have been pretty poor the last 2 seasons.

We won't be signing Rodriguez as we won't pay £35 million out for some over hyped kid.

30 Mar 2013 15:30:05
I understand we have chelsea on Monday in mind but a very average 1-0 win against a struggling Sunderland team is just not good enough.

Bar the 4-0 win against Norwich can anyone tell me when United last won by more then 2? Why have United become a team that goes out just to secure a victory as if it were for business rather then entertainment?

A win and 3 points isn't good enough? Give me strength.

TK-Red

Mate, you want to relax. Most of our players were away with their National teams. At the stage of the season, it's about getting the points. I've been critical of our style this year but we did everything that was necessary today. As for entertainment, I think you'll find we are still top scorers, sorry it's not every game to keep you happy

Wow, do u honestly think we've been entertaining this year? I don't think so. We've been winning matches against poor teams, but skill and tactics seriously lacking.
If that is the level u want, then that's fine, but don't expect us to challenge top European teams playing like that. It was rubbish.

Some of our fans are so spoilt. Are we playing well? No. What exactly do you propose that we do about it at this stage of the season? The priority is winning games at the moment, however we play. Get a grip of yourself, no name.

TK-Red

Agree with TK and AJH. We are coming to the end of a long campaign and at this point it's all about points and winning.

Hopefully, we will have a good summer transfer market that improves us in certain positions and hence the football is more attractive.

Shahram

30 Mar 2013 18:22:42
Personally i'd happily take one nil united in every remaining game if my nerves could take it.

25 wins from 30 by playing crap. nothing wrong with that!

30 Mar 2013 14:56:06
who do you think we will go for guys at the LB position, buttner clearly good going forward but terrible going back and is also probably the most one footed player I have EVER seen, opinions guys?

Buttner was actually using his weaker foot, nowhere as near 1 footed as valencia

He almost found the top corner with his right TBF. I thought he did OK. I'll guess that we'll stick with Evra for 1 more season and have Buttner and possibly Fabio as extra cover.

Keep Evra 1 more season see how Fabio/ Buttner go.

Maybe in a few games next season try Buttner on the wing, couldn't do any worse than Young.

I think Valencia and young are the most one footed players I've seen in our side. Buttner had a very good shot with his right foot, goalie made a good save.
Valencia and young are both rubbish and should be sold. Add Anderson to that too. {Ed004's Note - I don't get it, it appears everyone that comes on here slating utd after wins or during games never leave a name, for example, this is atleast the fourth negative post in a row from the same poster}

I actually really like buttner, I think if he went out on loan to a team like wigan to play as a wingback he'd really shine and give us a season for fabio to challange evra for the spot and imulate rafa

My wee lad plays left back - he always knows when the winger is taken off early, he's done a good job. Same with Buttner today - yes he got caught out of position a few times, but he made the ground up and got back in time. Plus a great effort with his RIGHT foot.

30 Mar 2013 19:18:56
its because their scared ed. Its not been a vintage season at all. But if anyone had said back in the summer that by easter we'd be top and fifteen points clear you'd have got some strange looks. I think the main thing we've gone for this season is just winning and getting the points, back to basics on not conceding with a young keeper and a defence which has been rotated a lot. The entertaining stuff can come when we sort the weak spots. Personally I want anderson sold. If young stayed or left i'd be happy either way. I think a lot of fans have been spoilt and don't remember the rubbish we had to watch back in the day. MrE

30 Mar 2013 14:35:47
man utd outs this summer ando schoelcs fletcher retired rio lindegaard young i'd keep nani and valencia and maybe let buttner keane and powell go on loan to premier league clubs
paddy the irish man

30 Mar 2013 13:40:23
Good move starting RVP, he may have needed a rest before the Chelsea game, but more importantly needs to regain form beforehand, perfect opportunity against Sunderland.

Viva la Kagawa

30 Mar 2013 13:35:52
Some will say that this is a poor and boring performance. However this is why we are SO great. No drama's, functional performances getting the job done. Very business like and you just know that we are going to get the three points.

Team selection has been very interesting, I think that Rooney, Ferdinand, Welbeck, Cleverly, Nani & Evra will all start on Monday night. No way will Vidic play and I very much doubt that we will see RVP start. but he probably will feature. Also, if Lindegaard doesn't start on Monday then it just shows that we have the utmost faith in De Gea and zero faith in Lindegaard, he is almost certainly on his way. Just a thought, do people think that it would be good enough to have Amos & Johnstone as back up keepers? I'm pretty impressed with both of them.

You forgot Hernandez, but you don't like him anyway.
Vidic won't play against Chelsea? Why not? He looks fit enough to me and he's the best defender we've got. Also, Rio will get a lot of stick from Chelsea fans if he starts.
But if saf decided to start with Rio and Evans, then I'm sure they will do a good job.
Nomidfield

Think Rio's a strong enough character to deal with a bit of crowd abuse. He'll be up for it.

30 Mar 2013 12:45:43
Really excited to see Ando, Kags and Van Persie link up.

Loving' the name

30 Mar 2013 12:12:40
Rooney not even on the bench

They were concernd he might break it

30 Mar 2013 12:06:30
no rooney giggs hernandes, not even on bench, bad move fergie I think, surely this is more important than the cup, what u think?
BIGAL REDFOREVER {Ed004's Note - We have named a very strong squad and Hernandez IMO was never going to play this game, I'm happy with the team selection}

I'm happy with the starting 11 considering the Chelsea game. Surprised no Rooney on the bench though, hope we don't regret that. Delighted for Powell on the bench - let's hope we go a couple goals up so we can give him a chance.

Enjoy the game people!

Decent bench with nani, welbeck and cleverly.

Shahram

30 Mar 2013 09:24:35
Been thinking. How does Cleverley match up to midfield players of the past, for instance Phil Neville?. Bug#er has this been done before?

Red Snapper

Lol on a serious note though he is very overrated and I wouldn't pick him for our first 11 at all. If we can manage to sign one or two centre mids in the summer then hopefully we will see less than Cleverley.

30 Mar 2013 00:54:21
Hey eds/fresh/sydney and everyone, just wondering about all your thoughts on this summers comings?we all know a cb, versatile attacker/winger and a cm are most likely going to be signed and maybe a striker/left back. who do ye think is most likely strootman/Wanyama?do ye think we will sign lewandowski who is heavily linked?does any of ye know are we keeping a close eye on Williams of palace, halilovic and will hughes of derby?3 outstanding young talents. thanks guys

30 Mar 2013 07:47:53
We know nothing, we make educated guesses based on who were linked with in the press of which most of it is lies. So were assuming we are after a CB as we've been linked to a couple in the press, we may well be after a CB but it could just as likely be lies made up to sell papers. Nine times out of ten a papers source for a story is another news outlet in another country. In other countries certain press outlets have agendas beyond reporting truthful stories (Marca, Blid, Equipe ect). So 95% of what appears in print is b******t unfortunately. The best we can go with is if a scout has been spotted repeatedly at matches of a certain club then we can assume we are watching one of their players but again we would be speculating as to which player he was actually watching based on our own opinions of the players he could be watching and what we feel our team needs. Truth be told none of us have accurately guessed who we will be signing, especially 3/5 months before we would sign them. Maybe closer to the signing when the press have actually got some truthful info and it becomes obvious that we are trying to sign a certain player (e. g. Hargreaves, Carrick, RVP). So to be honest as to who will we sign? Well your guess will be as good as mine.

I'm confident we will sign some players and some others will leave