Manchester United Banter Archive March 30 2015

 

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30 Mar 2015 21:12:32
Does anyone else thing the situations with Falcao & Di maria will not help us in the future and put off latina players signing for us?

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{Ed004's Note - I don't think so. I was watching footage of Di Maria earlier and all his best football came while he was playing out left for us and given the chance to drift inside. If we swapped him for Young in our current system as long as the full back offers support we could see the returning form of Di Maria hopefully.}

30 Mar 2015 21:42:40
Cheers edoo4, i agree he is a better player on the left and would like to see him out there, i just hope we get the chance to see the best of him.

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31 Mar 2015 10:05:02
I hope that Di Maria stays, I really do. He is an excellent talent, I hope that he finds his form and moves back to the left hand side again. We may need a right winger though so that Di Maria can move to the left - Bale and Di Maria has to be the goal!

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31 Mar 2015 13:16:24
Don't think this will happen, the formula we have now is two defensive minded players on the left, negating the right hand attack of both Spurs and Liverpool, hence townsend getting shafted and sterling only having a sniff at the start of the match. Youngs defensive education has been an absolute master stroke by van gaal, and it's possible that di Maria could add something else to his game by playing on the right, he's shown glimpses of a defensive element and there's no doubting his attacking prowess. Time will tell if he gains anything new, I'm still struggling to see the benefit of phil Jones taking corners, so nothing's guaranteed.

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30 Mar 2015 20:32:24
Some rumours resurfacing that we are interested in Khedira. Not sure he is high on my list but maybe with no fee to pay he would be a good addition to the midfield?

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30 Mar 2015 21:33:29
Good player and on a free could be good business but he would command significant wages. Offers strength in the middle but no better than carrick or Herrera in most aspects.

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30 Mar 2015 21:47:35
I'm not a fan, hope we don't go for him even on a free. Will stop better players playing or coming in.

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{Ed004's Note - If it doesn't stop us investing in high quality midfielders like Pogba etc and he was coming in to be a squad player I wouldn't mind. But for the wages he will be on he would be expected to start so I would probably avoid as well}

31 Mar 2015 03:30:42
I won't want him

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31 Mar 2015 10:05:35
Wages would be a blocker in terms of being a 'squad' player, however he isn't a bad player at all.

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30 Mar 2015 18:29:48
LVG has yet to win me over but he's come to a club that needs a rebuild. At least you can tell this manager has a plan whether it works or not only time will tell. You can't just go and lose players who've been part of the team for a long time and throw 6 new ones in and expect them to integrate straight away.

Admittedly after signing the players in the summer I expected us to be title contenders. Although since deadline day we've acquired 1 less point than Chelsea in that time. Fingers crossed we make top 4 for this season and we will be back challenging on all fronts again. Progress is a slow process ( in reply to Beast down the page won't let me reply to any post for some reason??)

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30 Mar 2015 17:15:25
I wish people would stop calling LVG's critics "Naïve" because they expected him to do well from the get-go. There are countless managers that come into a team and have them playing well, they also don't have the luxury of having the financial and technical resources of Man Utd or the existing squad. Didn't we sign him because of his experience and the assumption he would not take a season to understand how a club like Utd works and what we expect? Most managers would do well given a season free pass, we couldn't even give that to Moyes.

Maybe replace "naïve" with "demanding", which is fair. Whilst it wasn't an easy job it certainly wasn't as hard as what he has made it look. LVG has worked some magic in turning a small problem into a serious one and then just turning it back into a small one again, all the while making many of our fans think he has done well. It's the equivalent of walking dog muck through your house and then expecting praise because you cleaned it up. We needed a new carpet, not a mop and bucket!

Exactly what has he done well this season? Learnt how to use Fellaini, got the best out of some of our mediocre players and barely managed to get top 4 with the worst I have seen our competitors in years.

I remain unconvinced, and I certainly am not "naïve" to have expected a lot better!

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30 Mar 2015 18:23:01
Although, when Fellaini has been our best player, do we have the players to blame?

Our defence seemingly cannot defend and we have a right winger - who might I add can't seem to beat his man on attack - playing right back for us. Our left back is always bloody injured, with a slow Blind as back-up. Our centre backs just haven't worked out who the main man is yet.

We played a striker in centre-mid for most of the season, we have a £60m player who hasn't yet adapted and nobody could have forseen how sh*te Falcao and RVP have been this season.

Our main problem is we haven't yet found our best startingg eleven.

These things take time Beast, we have been blessed over the last 28 years of having a structured back-bone to the team, the majority of which we have now lost. Players came were signed and came into an already formed hierarchy from the dressing room, to the pitch and also backroom staff. We don't have that privelege now, and it will take time for things to get back up and running to how we are used to them.

You, Beast, cannot say that you are any less happy right now than you were last season. Give the manager time, and no we didn't allow Moyes time, but every blind man and his dog could have told you that it was never going to work.

Moyes walked into Manchester United on the first day and thought to himself "this is a massive job", where-as LVG walked in and thought "This club are lucky to have me". Yes, egotistical, but imo exactly what we need, and the type of mind set that is required to be successful at this club.

:)

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30 Mar 2015 18:34:23
yes I agree, although I will point out the negative lvg posters were quick to jump down the throats of the give him time supporters calling themselves realists and the supporters 'blind' when this page was in melt down.

Its annoying ain't it :)

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30 Mar 2015 18:51:10
Love the imagery, Beast :)

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30 Mar 2015 20:33:23
CTR,

I'm glad the irony wasn't lost on everyone here!

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30 Mar 2015 21:01:07
Irony? Is that my Mrs does to my clobber to make it look sharp?

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30 Mar 2015 21:42:17
No it was naive and that's the politest I can be.

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30 Mar 2015 23:45:00
Its all just personal opinions, is there really anything wrong in having an opinion? Which ever side of the fence your on.

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30 Mar 2015 23:55:15
Not at all Bernie mate, not at all.

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31 Mar 2015 01:57:06
Herbie even lol

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31 Mar 2015 11:36:51
LVG didn't go in to just pick up where Moyes or even SAF left off he went in to totally change the playing style and that takes time to embed, especially with 5 new players and a massive injury list. I wouldn't call you naive beast i would call you spoilt and think you would be great as a citeh fan, they have that WE WANT IT NOW mentality you preach so often down to a tee.

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30 Mar 2015 12:33:20
I personally am happy with Van Gaal. I think he is perfect for us for another couple of years and will leave us in a much better position than he joined us in. A d with a couple of trophies in the cabinet.
Anybody who thinks he should have come straight in, got us playing brilliant football and challenging for everything in sight straight away is very naive.
It doesn't work like that, takes time to get everybody on board with what he wants, would for any manager. He has kept us competitive and playing for each other as a team through a difficult, low on confidence post saf and moyes period.
Getting in the top 4 will be a success this season as it could all so easy have been that we missed out again. It is massive, and then next season it's about challenging again.
Many on here seem to think that because we are Manchester United or because we have started throwing money at the problem we should win everything in sight. It's nonsense!

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30 Mar 2015 13:19:34
Good post .

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30 Mar 2015 14:09:09
Van Gaal was always going to take time due to the way he gets his team to play. It is very difficult getting a bunch of footballers to use their brain and play intelligently in just a few weeks.

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30 Mar 2015 14:11:10
Will Red,

Absolutely spot on, I have been trying to get a lot of them points across for a while but seem to be struggling, I pretty much agree with everything in that post.

I have seen a few people say 'We are Manchester United so we should be winning x, y and z' but it really doesn't work like that, in a few years we may be back on top financially but at the moment there are other teams who have been throwing money at it for a lot longer than we have, one in particular who are 2 points above us and going to win the same amount as us this season despite spending consistently for a long time now.

I also saw a post saying LVG came in because he can just make it work straight away, he shouldn't need time because he is LVG, which is also a load of rubbish, of course he needed time, he has never managed in the league before and that has been obvious for a while. Fingers crossed this form continues, the summer brings in the correct players and by September we are all expecting a title challenge.

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30 Mar 2015 14:50:29
I agree. Added to the fact that this is admittedly his last job, I expect he will not want to go out with a wimper. What will probably be more important is what happens after he goes. Clubs have historically tended to do quite well after he has left including the maturing of a good structure and youth set up. It's all pretty much in place but if he can add his experience to our club it will only benefit us in the long term I believe.

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30 Mar 2015 15:25:49
I know you have GDS, I suppose there will always be positive and negative fans no matter how well or badly we are doing.
I just think that say we had drawn with Spurs and lost to Liverpool like many on here and other so called football experts elsewhere were so sure of then we would be in such a bad position, low on confidence and the manager perhaps rightly so would be getting slated from all angles.
We are however now looking nailed on for 4th (minimum), very high on confidence and all more optimistic about out future again after 2 great wins and at times great performances in arguably our 2 hardest and certainly most important games up to now this season.Not to give the manager any credit for that seems ridiculous to me.
Obviously there is still work to be done and we still need to improve, but some on here have said we have missed a great opportunity to win the league this year. I couldn't disagree more with that, it was never going to happen this year and I think some people need a reality check. I will be happy if we keep some sort of form up and finish top 4 this season (2nd be better) and I know I'm not the only one.
Next season however we should all expect nothing less than the quadruple! :-)

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30 Mar 2015 18:52:48
He said he needed three months. Maybe that's why some people were annoyed. They actually believed him.

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30 Mar 2015 20:34:20
Mpez we are 4th two points of second one team in the league has lost less games than us up to yet he must be doing something right with all these so called realy bad players

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30 Mar 2015 23:28:19
Very good point Noucamp!

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31 Mar 2015 07:50:27
Noucamp, I thought he said it has taken him around 3 months at previous clubs? I don't recall him ever saying, it would take him 3 months at Man Utd, maybe I'm wrong?

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31 Mar 2015 07:52:52
Or did he say at least 3 months? because there is a difference there

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30 Mar 2015 11:46:41
001, i'd be interested in your opinion on Harry Kane. You usually keep up to date with the younger players, and provide good analysis. Do you think he's the real deal?

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{Ed001's Note - I think he is a very good young player, with the potential to be an England regular, but he is not world class by any means. He doesn't have blistering pace, which means he should be able to stay fit and not suffer niggling injuries all the time and have a longish career, as he can't lose his pace. He works extremely hard, he is always looking to learn and improve his game, so he should go far. He is one of those players you can rely on to be a regular 7 or 8 out of 10 (I mean in terms of overall performance as goals always skew how people rate players), the kind of player essential to get the best out of the bigger talents, such as a Messi or Ronaldo. For me he is a Benzema type, he will be the foil that allows the truly great players to be great, rather than being the great player himself. Because he is English though, we will hear nothing but hype about him and he will be built up out of all proportion.}

30 Mar 2015 13:17:03
Thanks ed my thoughts exactly

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{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}

30 Mar 2015 13:21:21
Sounds a little like a young Wayne Rooney the way you've described him ED!

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know, Rooney had pace and power, which Kane doesn't really have. Rooney had a lot more talent, but less application to improve his game, sadly.}

30 Mar 2015 14:33:15
Cheers 001!

I think everything has went perfect for him this year, not to the sense that it has been on a plate, but not too far off. That isn't to say he is a good player, but I just think he's is being blown up to be too big to fit the bed he actually sleeps in.

Arguably one of my worst comparisons, but i'm going with it haha!

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{Ed001's Note - he has worked hard, but yes, he needs to keep it up over a period of time now. For me though he is like Dirk Kuyt, works like a Trojan, will always weigh in with goals, but he is never going to be a really top level player. But the top level players need ones like him to give them a platform to play from.}

30 Mar 2015 17:16:22
A more gifted Tevez!

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30 Mar 2015 23:02:00
A more gifted Tevez? Really Beast? For all the anti Van Gaal posts you have made, this tops the lot as your worst.

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30 Mar 2015 23:28:52
Ozzy how is beasts comment anti Van Gaal?

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31 Mar 2015 22:09:39
I mean this is worse than all the comments against LVG

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30 Mar 2015 11:51:17
How is Chicharito surprised that he isn't playing? He didn't get a gamer here and went out on loan to Real Madrid for game time, nonsensical really.

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30 Mar 2015 19:15:52
Not surprised and people who complain about xyz players that don't get game time here, maybe it is because they are not good enough.

No one has exactly left our subs bench and set the world on fire at a high level in recent years, exception being Pogba, but then again he never made it to the subs bench:)

I think he all end up with a mid table PL team.

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30 Mar 2015 11:37:00
Just heard about we are working on extending young's contract for further three years . As much i have loved his game this season, he is on ridiculous wage which he does not deserve at all. We have several better players on the line of 60 - 80 k a week and there is young on 120k making him one of our highest earners . I honestly have no idea how SAF offered him such a huge wage then. I would definitely love him to extend his contract but only if he chooses to have a massive pay cut, maybe around 70k a week so that our wages barrier can be further reduced to include top stars which we may likely buy in summer ( bale hopefully ) . Since there are lots of better wingers out there than young i would happily offload him if he still demands such high wages as this is the only season where he has performed well giving us garbage seasons before

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30 Mar 2015 11:52:00
I get the impression that he will accept 70k, that would be fair wages.

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30 Mar 2015 11:52:15
Why the hell would he choose to have a massive pay cut? It doesn't really affect you what players earn so I wouldn't bother yourself with it, he has been a key player for us this year, really got his head down and worked hard to be the player we all knew he could be.

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30 Mar 2015 12:22:59
To be fair if he gets a 3 year deal then I think he will take a pay cut. Most clubs these days operate on a if your over 30 years old then you will only get a one year contract. It would be too risky for Ashley to pen a one year deal as he might not be as good next year or the year after so he might not get anything near his current wage.

He seems settled at the club and is favourite in the dressing room so I think if the club offer him a 3 year take it or leave it deal on lesser terms he will agree to it.

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30 Mar 2015 14:18:47
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I agree about young being one of our better players this season but you must have to agree that he is nowhere 120k player. Even though its not my money i do have a concern for it because as we are in FFP investigation under wages breach, it would be very good to clear out much wages as possible to include possible top players we are planning to recruit . Morever he may not be same next season which will make it more difficult to offload him if he is in such high wages

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30 Mar 2015 15:13:52
srestha how are we under investigation for ffp for wages?

we slashed are wages massively in the summer so can't see why we would be under investigation.

where have you heard this?

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30 Mar 2015 23:06:58
Young's performances this season have been massively overrated. Yes he has worked hard and slightly improved from absolute trash but I think he only has 1 goal and 1 assist. Thoses stats are poor for any outfield player no matter what the position. If a decent offer comes in during the summer we should take it as Nani has always been twice the player young has every been.

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31 Mar 2015 03:36:41
spb
Heard everywhere mate from ed too. why don't u use the search function ;)

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30 Mar 2015 11:00:05
Just seen the highlights form the Wales game. Gareth Bale is an absolute superstar and anyone who can honestly say they would rather Depay over him is a daydream believer.

I'd be happy to part with a huge chunk of cash for Bale. What a complete player.

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30 Mar 2015 11:42:51
I would love them both TBH

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30 Mar 2015 11:52:32
Bale and Di Maria would make a great wing pairing with Januzaj and Depay fighting for game time, waiting in the wings.

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30 Mar 2015 11:52:59
Who has said they would rather have Depay? I think both would be good, I would imagine most people would settle for Depay if Bale was unavailable or overpriced.

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30 Mar 2015 11:58:43
Proud Welshman here and I've watched him over and over. The lads pure class. Sell di Maria bring bale

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30 Mar 2015 12:25:06
I agree fresh although to say Di Maria would currently keep Depay and Januzaj out the team at the moment is a bold statement. I would like Mata and Januzaj to compete for the No.10 next year with Bale and Depay brought in for the wings. Would rather sign these two wingers than a striker.

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30 Mar 2015 13:20:25
I don't think anyone has said depay > bale. I've said bale > Ronaldo with a side order of depay.

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30 Mar 2015 13:42:49
I have seen a few posters on here say they would rather have Depay I can recall Rewz as one fairly recently.

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30 Mar 2015 16:18:47
I'd love us to sign him, thought that boat had sailed after he signed or Madrid but with the way they're treating him no matter what he says about it, it won't go on for long. I stand by what i've said before and that's once Messi and Ronaldo decline Bale will be the best in the world but he has to leave Madrid first, the fans can be vile and detrimental to players careers even when they're not playing that bad.

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{Ed004's Note - I think it would cost too much to bring him back. Also were would he play for us? I reckon Di Maria will replace Young and Mata should continue to start. No doubt he would start but I think we should upgrade other positions first}

30 Mar 2015 11:58:43
Proud Welshman here and I've watched him over and over. The lads pure class. Sell di Maria bring bale

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29 Mar 2015 15:09:30
Ed i don't really understand a lot about how agents go about their job however as compared to other clubs i get a feeling that United are always taken for a ride by agents.


Be in transfer fee or wages we always seem to play more. Please correct me if i am wrong.

Would like to hear other poster's comments as well.

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{Ed002's Note - You are wrong.}

30 Mar 2015 10:54:35
MB - when you want to sign the best players then a) the selling club will always negotiate for the best price and if we are willing to stump up too much then more fool us b) top players have the so called 'super agents' as their representatives. These are guys who have been around the block so many times their reputation demands a fee before you even negotiate. Most of these agents like Riola and Mendes are absolute mercenaries and will push to get their client and themselves the best deal possible. Again if we overpay then more fool us.

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30 Mar 2015 09:37:08
A post that is necessarily United related. Do you see Sterling moving and if so, to which club? Is he as good as everyone makes out.

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30 Mar 2015 10:50:26
I personally don't think he will move but if he does then it's an absolute kick in the teeth to Liverpool who have developed him well. If today's reports are to be believed about a possible move to the Gunners then I have to say the lad couldn't make a worse choice as he will lose his way in London and get chewed up by the city.

In terms of him being a top player, no I don't think he is at the moment. I think he is a very good talent and he does have time on his side. Given the correct managment and nurture then yes I believe he could be a top player some day.

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30 Mar 2015 11:08:11
Hes from London originally so may want a move back to his roots. I think he will leave.

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30 Mar 2015 12:01:27
Don't know how the big City will chew him up, he's from there was at QPR before Liverpool . I don't think he will go. Just doing it to get a huge contact

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30 Mar 2015 13:24:56
He has had a few attitude problems in the past. If he goes back to London earning mega money you don't think he will get himself into trouble with his old mates? He is only 20.

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30 Mar 2015 16:26:44
I'd say over the last 2 years Sterling has been the best English player in the league. At 20 years old he's in my opinion the young player most equipped to be one of the very best in the world over the next few years. Like Matt Le Tissier has said today if he wants to develop he should stay where he is as he is guaranteed a game every week. As good as he is and could be if he goes to Real or Barca at the moment he's on the bench every week.

He's the one player I'd take from Liverpool.

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30 Mar 2015 09:33:39
With Nani impressing on his loan and us possibly looking to replace him with a marquee signing (winger ), how much do folks here think we can get for him. Looking at ridiculous transfers happening I think we ought to demand at least £30m. We have been selling our players for ridiculously low price so we must perhaps now follow chelsea's methods in transfer market as they always tend to get good money even for bench warmers.

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30 Mar 2015 10:54:16
We would be lucky to get 10m for him

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30 Mar 2015 10:56:16
How many years does he have on his contract? I think given his reputation we would be lucky to recoup around £10million which is why I wouldn't mind LVG trying to get the best out of him like he has done Young this season.

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30 Mar 2015 11:42:03
He just signed a new contract under Moyes so i don't think there is any problem about that .
Further i don't know why people tend to underestimate most of our players . Suppose if Nani was not our player then we would be going crazy over him with media linking him all over us and quoted 30M would be considered bargain

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30 Mar 2015 11:53:52
For the pittance that we will get for him on the market LVG might be best trying to develop him.

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30 Mar 2015 12:02:15
£30m?? What planet are you on

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30 Mar 2015 12:14:08
Its not just that srestha, he is on wages a majority of clubs interested could not afford along with his fee. If we want to sell we have to make it viable for the buying club too.

I would keep him if it ment strengthening other areas we need more with a 'superstar' like a bale etc.

However if depay was signed he's gone imo.

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30 Mar 2015 12:26:48
Stestha I think Nani is a phenomenal player he is just inconsistent and plays when he wants. That's why I am saying if LVG can get the best out of him we would be crazy to sell him for pennies!

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30 Mar 2015 14:22:55
JMB !
I agree that he is a great player but very inconsistent .He gives us 1 good game in 5 so i think if we find right buyer, he should be probably sold . Not only for that sole reason but because it will help us to sign other top wingers

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30 Mar 2015 14:30:21
CTR!
You are probably correct mate . His wages will definitely affect his transfer . I was really shocked when moyes gave him a long term contract

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30 Mar 2015 19:21:31
Stand United

If he was not our player and given the year he is having in Portugal 30 million would be par for the course mate. Lesser players have bigger valuations on them from that league.

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30 Mar 2015 11:53:52
For the pittance that we will get for him on the market LVG might be best trying to develop him.

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