30 Nov 2012 21:32:12
I'm lucky enough to been ST holder for over 20 yrs,Now I keep seein this big Ando thing people screaming he should play!don't get it! In the years he's been here its been we waiting we waiting&get 2 games where he does it! Not good enough! Now goin on Fergie always sayin as the Biggest club in world we should have more European/Champions league cups, well you aint doin it with Carrick,Anderson,Nani,Young,&yes Welbeck! If could turn back to Becks Keane Scholes Giggs then its ours other than that the Glazers need find the Ronaldo money to bring him home!
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30 Nov 2012 20:37:43
Jred, I just do not see why RM would want him. I do not think he is that good. Coentrao, Oezil, Ronaldo and Di Maria are all better from the left. Sorry but I see no reason why RM would buy him. Perhaps a move to Inter or Juventus in the future, but I do not see why RM would want him.
Sydney!
you might not rate him that highly but mourinho said on bale
"I think I was one of the first to say he would be an amazing player and was saying that when he was not yet know in Europe but just England. So I know the great player he is , still young so space to improveso is top top top no doubt ."
also coentra has struggled at RM
Di maria has issue's and may leave he also quite often plays on the right and cuts inside. I also think bale is a better player
oezil could move inside or may well leave
and ronnie plays up top as well
it could be oezil or maria out bale in.
as you say you dont think his that good i would think there are a lot of people within the game who do,
jred
I don't think he is worth £30m+, I also do not think he is a very good winger. Rafael has kept him quiet in EVERY game he has played against him. He has blips of class, but I do not see him getting any better than he is now, in fact I thought he was better a couple of season's ago.
Sydney!
I think Bale is a cracking player. Nowhere near the inconsistency of Nani.
Most spurs fans get annoyed with him for shooting to often as he takes on allot of shots but at us he would be alongside RVP, Rooney and Kags so would have far more support up top than he does at spurs so I think he would mould into an even better player.
Price though I would never say anything more than 25m but it's likely nearer 35m so doubt it will happen.
Jono
How much did moura got for 36 mill hazard 34.
syd
i think clevs and bale are the same age and you seem to have a high opinion of clevs and a low one of bale
i think bale is a much better player
jred
Jred, Cleverley wouldn't cost us £40m.
Sydney!
I'm with jred on this one. For me Bale is one of those unfashionable players who fans of other clubs take pleasure in ignoring his quality or saying he's overrated. Baines was in this bracket for a while too, he's been playing immensly for 4/5 years but until recently people felt the need to talk him down and pick out faults, just because he doesn't play for us I guess
Bale is top quality IMO, although I don't want United to sign him
Gav
01 Dec 2012 12:33:38
@Jred, Your question for Syd is funny. The answer simply is, Clevs didn't cost a dime, while Bale would cost a fortune. Cleverley may not become a Paul Scholes for us, but he becomes a Nicky Butt or Darren Fletcher level player, that would be good enough for me as a squad player.
REDFAITH
Red faith
Your answer is funny , bale cost 5 mill
Jred
The point isn't should we buy bale it was is bale a good player
Jred
30 Nov 2012 19:08:11
I have seen quite a few Bale debates on here lately and I have to say I wouldnt mind selling Rooney and Nani to sign Bale and Ozil or Bale and Rogriguez.
30 Nov 2012 17:44:09
Id love to see Bale join United, Possibly with Nani going the other way, 25 Million plus Nani would be enough me thinks. What about you guys?
We'd get as frustrated with Bale as we have been with Nani. The only player that I can see us not getting pissed off with is Ronaldo as he is consistently brilliant, not occasionally brilliant.
Fresh!
Fresh, Spurs fans get frustrated with Bale. For everything he does well (that we see on MOTD) he does ten things wrong. He has a good game every four games. Bale is a decent player, not even close to be world-class. His injury record isn't great either. I would have bought him for £20m a couple season's ago, but wouldn't pay the ridiculous sum Spurs want for him now.
Sydney!
Syd
which players do you think are better than him in the united team
jred
Bale is quality. Is he world class? Probably not. but he is still 23 and can go past anyone, so if he becomes more consistent, he will reach great heights.
It was the same when nani was 23, we thought he had the quality and he will become more consitent and fill cr7's boots, but he didnt improve.
If bale does what Nani couldnt i think he will be one of the best in the world.
Mick
Why was that aimed at me? I said exactly what you said Sydney. He's too frustrating.
Fresh!
Fresh, exactly I was agreeing with you.
Jred, an on form Valencia is better than Bale. Nani at his best is better than Bale. I would sign any of Oezil or Rodriguez over Bale. I would have signed Moura and Hazard over Bale.
Sydney!
Theo Walcott.....
Is the man for me....
BowlDonBowl
Me and you see very different things in a player.
hazard and bale are better players than the rest
moura especially how much of him have you actualy seen of his very very raw , i dont think he will go straight in to the PSG team
oezil is a completely different player
jred
An on form bale is better than an on form Valencia jred
01 Dec 2012 04:30:30
i respectfully disagree fresh!i think an on form toni is much better than bale
bale is easy to handle &can be kept quiet by a gud RB were as toni is the best traditional winger on form explosive is the word
to sum up the bale debate
he is not as bad as syd thinks but nt as god as some of u think wouldnt mind him at UTD but there are better player at better prices so no bale but a decent player no doubt
vishu red devil
Like Guardiola said, Valencia is the best winger of his kind in the world.
Sydney!
Bale has already scored more goals this season than Valencia has ever scored in a single season
Just something to think about
Jred
Syd,
You say Bale has 'blips of class' then you try to argue that Valencia is better when 'on form'. Surely Valencia only has 'blips of class' too? He's been relatively poor for months
I agree with jred - an on form Bale is better than an on form Valencia
Also, Bale does not only play well 1 game in 4, you can't have been watching him closely! He is always one of Spurs best players but occasionally puts on a worldie performance. He is still 'good' in the other games. Compare this with Nani, Young and Valencia's performances recently
You also says he does 10 things wrong for every good thing he does. I don't think you have any basis for that. I'll agree he takes on too many shots for Spurs but at a top team he'd have more quality around him
Syd, I honestly think you're being biased on your view of Bale. He is better than any of our wingers. If he played for us you would be bigging him up
Final point...I don't actually want Bale at United, lol, but don't see the need to say he's not good when clearly he is
Gav
30 Nov 2012 17:19:18
As long as only one of the three ( giggs carrick and scholes) play, i dont mind.
So if giggs starts tomo then hopefully it will be only him out of the three. Having said that it will probs be him and carrick, and we will have to wait till the 70th min to see ando come on to change the game in our favour. Then fergie will complement ando, but still prefer to play giggs over him in the epl :(
James
30 Nov 2012 16:33:41
Have a 50 quid bet on with my mate that Ronaldo will sign for us again, he believes he won't, but I just said to him, look at the signs ;
He still speaks to SAF
Still speaks to the player
Held a meeting with SAF
Says he misses the club and he has made in Manchester on his boots. If you ask me he wants to come back, I think it would be fitting him to end his career here.
Viva Ronaldo.
Caolán.
Surely the only way we could afford him is if A) he agrees to a lower wage, or B) Real agree to sell him back at a much lower fee, and C) we spend our whole budget on him
A combination of these 3 things happening is so unlikely I can't see it, unfortunately
That is, unless FFP kicks in quickly and to great effect! If it does, then surely there aren't many clubs who could afford a £60-£80m player and still break even. Unfortunately FFP probably won't have such a big impact
Gav
Its going to be SAF's last year I imagine as well might tip it, and he'll be back at OT playing in Rio's testimonial so he'll get that buzz back! I think it will happen.
Fresh!
I used to get 50 p for my pocket money when i was a kid in the '70s,now the kids are bettin £50,how times change.
Mick the red fireman {Ed007's Note - I bet you fill up everytime a Hovis advert comes on TV, Mick. Remember Spangles?}
Oh Ed007 classic post! Got me laughing there.
-JakeW
30 Nov 2012 16:21:48
I think we should stick to a very similar lineup to the midweek one. We didn't excell but we need consistency to see if we can grow into the new shape. I think it will benefit the likes of Anderson and Cleverly expecially to play alongside each other again. If we keep chopping and changing then we have little chance of performing consistantly
Unfortuately I have a nasty feeling that either Giggs or Scholes will start but I hope not
Gav
Ive a feeling it will be scholes for cleverly but like you i hope not
Will Red
30 Nov 2012 15:53:47
Just like to say so far this season that I think Rafael has been terrific, probably my man of the match for 80% of our games
Agreed, he has really improved and is playing well consistently. 3 players I've been happy with all season are Rafa, RVP and Evans
Gav
Yeah I've been pleasantly surprised with Evans!
GD
30 Nov 2012 12:23:46
"Can I just ask how old you are? That is not a loaded question and I am not being offensive I would just like to know as I am guessing from some of your posts 17 or under. Sorry if not." - The irony, take out the word not from this and it would be truthful. And it is "those three" not "them three" GDS.
Invisible STuey
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I wasn't being offensive and apologise if it came across that way, I just was wondering how old mick was that's all as it is clear he isn't that old. I am happy to stick with 'them 3' as I am not an English teacher and this isn't a spelling and grammar website.
Very interested to see what team we put out tomorrow, I have a feeling scholes will play unfortunately. Reading, despite their league position, could be a tricky game and we need to make sure we get the 3 points and move into the city game on a high.
Come on you reds!
GDS
That would be a net expenditure of 80 m pounds and it seems quite unrealistic because glazers wont be willing to spend that amount of money
maybe if we win both premier league and champions league this year
but this would be a fairytale summer for united fans
If they had bought Hazard or Moura we'd have been close to an £80 million spend last summer mate - so I think they would be willing.
Fresh!
Fresh
how do you know we would of bought rvp if we had got one of hazard moura
jred
No one could know that, however did we not essentially agree a deal for Moura after signing RVP?
Fresh!
Jred, Bob Cass is a high profile journalist, he did say in July that he spoke to the manager one on one in South Africa (preseason tour) and the manager told him he wants Baines, Moura & RvP. Miguel Delaney says Cass has a direct line to the manager.
Sydney!
Fresh
no PSG announced the moura deal on Aug 8
RVP signed for us on the 17 Aug
jred
Bob cass broke the story that we had actualy signed moura.
and he gets as much wrong as he gets right.
also miguel delaney has said that fergy uses Cass to put false info out some times , so i wouldnt read to much in to that
fegy might of wanted them 3 (although i still dont think there was a real strong interest in baines) for say 50 mill in july maybe not the 80 mill it would of come to come august
syd so do you think if we had of bought moura for 30+ we would of bought RVP
jred
We did bid for Witsel after signing Kagawa, Powell and RvP so I think the money was there if a player was available at the right price. I think £50m net is a good amount and would be well satisfied with that amount this summer too. I think we need to move players on early in the summer and get players in quick.
Sydney!
Syd
but we are not talking about 50 mill are we ,we are talking about 80. and for all you know we could off bid 5 mill for witsel.
but look syd if you think we would of spent 80 mill last summer fine , if not im not sure what your point is pal
jred
It's simple Jred, I believe 'IF' the right player was available at the right price we would have spent £80m 'IF' the manager wanted it. I am sure the bid would have been circa £15m-£20m for Witsel which in fairness is probably his true value.
Sydney!
How much did wE bid for dembEle
Jred
30 Nov 2012 12:17:26
so sir alex says lingegaard stays in goal because hes done nothing wrong, can someone please explain exactly what DDG did wrong before he had his wisdom teeth out?
phil
My thoughts exactly, he had problems at the beginning but he's only a young lad. The strength he has shown to come back is incredible at his age and Fergie needs to back him. Ok he isnt great at crosses but the defence need to take some of the blame and everyone raves about Joe Hart but he isnt much better with crosses in my opinion. His strengths far out weigh his falts and he is a much better keeper than Lindegaard as far as i am concerned.
Brendan
It doesn't work that way my friend, if a keeper comes in for whatever reason and he has been good, there is no point changing things unless it needs to be changed. I do rate DDG higher and so with the manager, but Lindegaard shouldn't be dropped for playing well.
Sydney!
Sydney do you not think it is time Fergie just said DeGea is my number one? Would Schmeichel have been left out after illness?? Course not so why DeGea? Everyone can see DeGea is the better keeper and in my opinion will be unbelievable in years to come. I do agree that Lindegaard should be used in certain games like West Ham when you have the big long haired neanderthal up front but for 95% of the season unless injured or rested you should have a number 1 and stick with him as it breads confidence and understanding.
Brendan
I'm pretty sure that Lindegaard dropped a clanger for QPRs goal last weekend. Doesn't gently palming the ball into the path of an onrushing striker count as an assist?
But this type of indecision doesn't bode well. I can't think of a single top class side that doesn't have a clear number 1. It's the foundation of the team and should be the biggest area of consistency. As far as I'm concerned this nonsense is going to lead to De Gea jumping ship as soon as he hits his prime and we will have lost a world class keeper who could be the foundation of our defence for the next 10-15 years.
Danny Pughnited
I do not think DDG has done enough for the manager to say he is the number one. I think it will be resolved by April. I have no doubt in my mind that DDG will be our number one by next season.
Sydney!
Danny
Are you joking?
He got down well to a low hard shot and saved it! It was just unlucky that the save ended up with the ball dropping to Mackie. Maybe the fault lies with the fact Mackie had space to score or the shot came in the first place. If you watch it again mate its a good save just totally unlucky. If that was DDG he would have used his feet so god knows where it would have ended up.
Did nobody notice how well Linders helped in marshalling the defence against WH? The most enjoyabe part of his display was screaming at the defence for allowing the Cole shot near the end to happen. I automatically thought 'thats more like it'.
That is what we need, a vocal keeper. If he keeps up with the good displays and keeps opening his mouth then the defence will just keep getting stronger.
I say stick with him although no doubt I will be in the minority!
Jono
I think brendan summed it up perfectly syd,would cech be put on the bench if hilario or turnbull had a couple of good games while cech was out with injury?same with jones and reina, hart and pantimilion?DDG is a better keeper and should be number 1.
Couldn't agree more Danny. If we continue to prefer an obviously inferior keeper to De Gea, not only are we hindering his development, but also risking losing him in the future! De Gea has made countless world class saves this season, I can't think of one that Lindergaard has made. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good number two, but no way should he be keeping De Gea out of the team, if he carries on doing so then its just another £18mil wasted
Luke
I actually agree with syd i dont think DDG has done enough to been named number 1 and i think Linders deserves a chance to stake a claim.
that said i do think DDG will be the better keeper and i fully understand the argument for naming a number 1
jred
Lindegaard got caught flat footed. I'm not going to speculate on what De Gea would or would not have done, but Lindegaard anticipated a shot to the near post. It wasn't a shot, it was a cross and he wasn't agile enough to react to the cross. The number one rule of goal keeping is that if you can't catch it, deflect it away from the area. Lindegaard put it right into the centre of the box and right into the path of a striker. The defence isn't blameless, but Lindegaard proved his limitations.
He is a commanding presence and generally confident under the ball, but his reactions are not at the level of a world class keeper, and it shows every time he has to make a split second decision. He is an excellent reserve keeper, but nothing more than that. De Gea is young, learning to play in a new league and getting better all the time. If he had a manager who stuck by him, he would be even further along in his development.
Danny Pughnited
Jono:'if that was DDG he would of used his feet so god knows where it would of ended up'
Pat Jennings was a master at using his feet,did anyone ever question him?just because their keepers doesnt mean they have to use their hands,in fact if that had of been DDG yes he would of used his feet and it more than likely would of deflected the ball a lot further than if he had used his hands like lindegaard did.
phil
Luke, did you not see Lindegaard's 'Gordon Banks' save in the reserves? And before anyone puts down reserve football, it makes no difference when the save happened, a world-class save is a world-class save whatever level the match is being played at.
That being said I would prefer to see DDG in goal, but Lindegaard needs to lose his place.
Sydney!
DDG will be gone next summer at this rate. Wouldn't blame him either, he was dropped for errors that other players make on a weekly basis.....without punishment.
SAF publicly criticised him, hardly good man management of a young player struggling to adapt to a new country and language.
If he goes, we better hit the market running coz Lindegaard is NOT a top 4 number 1 goalkeeper.
RED_SKY
I agree DDG should start. We need him to play against City as he has better quality IMO, so following on from that he should go back into the starting lineup now as it would be unfair to chuck him straight into that game as his first start in weeks
I don't think it would be harsh on Lindegaard at all because as you said he only stepped in because of DDG's dodgy teeth
Gav
Danny
First rule of goalkeeping is use your hands! Linders got down well to a low ball and was unlucky where it landed, simple as that. He was not flat footed he stepped past the post anticipating the cross goal shot, it turned out to be more a ball across than shot so was just out of reach for a full hand on it. He did nothing wrong!
If DDG had tried with his feet at that pace and missed everyone and their dogs would be moaning he didn't use his hands!
I've never denied DDG is ahead of him in his shot stopping and distribution but that is it. Linders is ahead in all other areas.
So what's better for a defence like ours? A keeper that will excell at shot stopping or a keeper who will Marshall the defence, shout at them when they mess up, come for crosses confidently and with conviction, dive at players feet getting stuck in when it's likely they will get hurt and still be a top shot stopper?
I know who I prefer.
Phil
Where on earth does it say Pat Jennings on our squad list?
Oh yeah it doesn't! That example is like saying Kasper does the same star jump save as Big Pete did so he shouldn't be critisised about it.
DDG consistently uses his feet and it will only result in messing up. There is far more control in a hand on a ball shot at pace from 5 yards away than sticking a leg out. Quite possibly if DDG had kicked that ball it could have been cleared but at the exact same time the amount of bodies in there still from the corner it could have went to the same spot, missed it or hit someone else and went in. There is no control swinging a leg at a cross/shot its pot luck as to where it ends up.
I would never be confident in a keeper who chooses to use his feet instead of their hands. It reeks of insecurity. Something DDG has in abundance IMO.
Age could be a factor but I fear it's in his personality which means it is very unlikely to be changed easily or quickly.
And just so you know I always wanted Adler.
Jono
30 Nov 2012 11:08:42
so fergy says nani could be out for 6 weeks, Ithink he may of played his last game for the club
jred
I think you could be right mate.
Sydney!
You may well be right. It's a real anticlimax when we think back to his form during the 2010/2011 season, shame he never kicked on
Gav
30 Nov 2012 10:47:42
HENRIQUEZ OUT & WILL KEANE BACK AS COVER?
Henriquez possibly going to Wigan on loan in January.
Will he get much game time? Kone, DiSanto, McManaman & Boselli are the striker options at the Club.
Every Club we seem to loan a player to the Manager gets the chop. No chance of that happening to Martinez. Unless for some reason Moyes leaves or Rafa, O'Neill or Brandon Rogers gets the boot. He might fancy one of those Clubs to take charge of.
I'll loan Macheda to Liverpool, they need a striker, have no money, and certainly Macheda is better than Borini, atleast Macheda can score.
Also loaning to wigan or liverpool are kind of the same thing these days.
Although seems highly unlikely, still a option IMO.
Rohan
I would nt give the scouse the steam off my pis
30 Nov 2012 10:37:59
SAF saying that Nani is still 4-5 weeks away from his return with a Hamstring injury! Bit of a coincidence that the transfer window opens about that time! ummmm see ya later Nani!
Red MUFC
30 Nov 2012 10:26:05
at the end of the season fabio will only have 12 month on his contract, anyone else think he could be on his way out
jred
Depends if he shows promise at QPR, was supposed to be the better our the two when they first came so hopefully he progresses like Rafael has.
rpc
Jred
I think this was the main reason he was loaned out. If he proved he could stay fit and hack a full season in the PL then he will get a new contract and SAF will possibly forget about having to shell out 15m for Baines and use Fabio and Butts to replace Evra. Problem with that is he will probably keep Evra on for 1-2 more years and with him rated as highly as vice captain then we could be stuck with his dogsh*t performances for a few years yet.
Sigh..
Jono
Nope, dont think so, he won't go without a fight as he hasn't really had a crack on the left back position.
Fergie wants the Da Silva twins as his 2 fullbacks i believe. I honestly thing Fabio will come good, he has been very unlucky injury wise but with a little time injury free i think he will show he is as good as Raphael no doubts about it.
Brendan
I think we'll replace Evra with Baines and then have Fabio as back up. If he performs he'll be offered a new deal by December/January time. In the mean time I think we'll loan out Buttner next season - so hpefully our two left backs will be Baines & Fabio.
Fresh!
Fresh buttner will be 24 is that not a bit old for a loan.
I think butts is our second choice lb now and that evra will prob leave in the summer with a new first choice coming in
jred
Jred, I think the plan was to do that this summer but RvP absorbed a lot of the funds and the manager didn't want to lose RvP to City. City buying Rodwell also removed any leverage we could have had about agreeing a price for Baines. I think it has to happen this summer and Baines would make us a lot stronger in defence and better going forward. We would also have another freekick option and he can take the corners so Rooney and RvP can stay in the box. Ticks all the boxes for me, but the price will again be an issue I would imagine, perhaps Powell on loan may seal the deal.
Sydney!
Fabio has been given a chance to show what he can do at QPR, so that will dictate whether or not he has a future at our club IMO. We won't know until the end of the season
Gav
I don't think that Buttner would be too old to be loaned out to a decent EPL club like Southampton, Wigan etc.
Fresh!
Fresh
so buy butts loan out fabio then buy baines get fabio back and loan out butts.
you would have to ask what was the point of buying buttner.
also if his not good enough at 24 for united and needs a loan you would have to ask if his good enough
jred
30 Nov 2012 10:24:42
Good to see Vidic back for training, would be great if we could get him ready for the derby.
-JakeW
30 Nov 2012 10:09:10
Welcome back Nemanja. Things are already looking better.
James
30 Nov 2012 10:04:14
Serious question here...hopefully start a bit of a debate. Villas-Boas' comments about Bale suggest that it may be hard for the club to hold on to him, so it's certainly a distinct possibility that he could leave next summer. I think he's quality, and in terms of Manchester United it's plain to see we have a pretty big problem down the left side of the pitch. A player who can play in 2 positions incredibly well is valuable, and something SAF generally likes too. So Bale and a cheaper CM or spread the transfer kitty around a bit more evenly?
Andy!
I would love us to sign bale , unfortunately i think its very unlikely
jred
Bale would be the ideal replacement for Giggs, being Welsh is just a coincidence ; )
I would be happy with either him or Rodriguez, both very good wingers, but Bale has proven himself in the EPL so he may edge it a little further.
-JakeW
Think it is much more likely that both Bale and Falcao will end up at Real Madrid and Ronaldo will be sold to pay for them. Hopefully to us but depends if the owners will do the right thing.
Brendan
With Bale, we'll have player that can run with the ball. Young can't, and Nani can't even pass these days.
We really lack someone with pace who can put in a decent enough cross. We'll have a certain cross taker to deliver to chicha, rooney & persie.
I like Bale. I think he is the perfect player for the left back position, especially if we were playing the 433 formation. I think he would be outstanding for Barcelona, more so than Real, because of their type of play.
The question is, would SAF spend £40m on this position, when he could get an excellent Baines for £15m, and spend £25m on someone else. I say it all depends on what formation SAF is finally going to settle on, if he is going to settle instead of chopping and changing, or more importantly, what his successor is going to play.
Regarding Ronaldo. Be there, done that and wore the tee-shirt. Buy Goetze, a world-class central defender and a world-class central/holding midfielder for the £80m and Bob's your uncle. Watch the cups roll in.
Would anyone here buy Bale for the left-back slot?
J Bones.
Bale is a decent player, but nowhere near as good as some make out. I think he would make an excellent wing-back like Valencia would. I do not think he has the fluidity to be a to winger. He is relatively easy to keep quiet when you have a decent RB. Rafael had him so far in his pocket Bale took the more central route and left Ferdinand for dust. Bale would sell for £35m+ and for me he isn't worth close to that amount as a winger.
Sydney!
If and its a huge if fergy was to buy bale i dont think it would be for lb.
jred
I think Bale would be our LB now had he chosen us over Spurs, however I do not think he would be signed for the LB role now. There is a reason none of the big clubs have been trying to sign him, he doesn't really fit as a winger or a LB. Somewhere in between IMO.
Sydney!
Bones, not as a LB per se, more of an attacking wing-back in a diamond formation.
Sydney!
You say none of the big clubs have tried to sign him but in the past month
there have been rumours in the Spanish and english papers that madrid will sign him in the summer.
bale has said he would like to play for madrid one day.
a madrid player (modric) has come out and give an interview saying how bale would be great for madrid etc etc.
sound familiar , pretty much 100% the madrid way of unsettling/signing a player
jred
In fact AVB has just given an interview saying bale wont be sold to madrid ant january
jred
I do not believe RM will try to sign Bale.
Sydney!
Syd I disagree, Bale is clearly a class attacking winger and is even dangerous when he drifts infield. He has the fear factor with the ball at feet that not many players have (like Giggs or Ronaldo had for us in years gone by). He scores goals and gets assists, what else could you want from a winger. And let's remember he does this in an average/good Spurs team and in a poor Wales team
With regards Bale to United - that totally depends on whether we are going to play with direct wingers or not in future. If we are then Bale and Valencia could be lethal. But if we move to a more modern, narrow formation then Bale is unnecessary - we would need someone more more techincally gifted like an Iso or Rodriguez
Gav
Syd
whys that?
j bones
7 goals and 4 assists so far this season not bad for a lb
jred
Jred, I just do not see why RM would want him. I do not think he is that good. Coentrao, Oezil, Ronaldo and Di Maria are all better from the left. Sorry but I see no reason why RM would buy him. Perhaps a move to Inter or Juventus in the future, but I do not see why RM would want him.
Sydney!
30 Nov 2012 09:53:59
If Ronaldo fails to win the Balon d' Or then I think that will be it for him and Madrid. He wants to be recognised as the worlds best and get more support from his club so that is the main reason why he will come home.
Fresh!
Imo he will never win the Ballon D'Or while Messi is about even though I think Ronaldo is easily as good
Pardoe
30 Nov 2012 11:33:50
yeah deffo be at city soon
I think if he came back he could help us win the league and champions league double, score 40+ goals and that would give him his best chance to get the prize he most wants. While he and Messi are both playing in spain together he will always struggle as Messi is also unbelievable. But, put Ronaldo back in the premier at the club he loves and i believe he could definitely win it.
Brendan
I truly do believe this. Even if Ronaldo out scored Messi, Messi would get it because both are playing in Spain and Messi is the darling of the League. Ronaldo would certainly be the main man back here and the club would back him. I think he'd get the recognition he deserves and craves.
Fresh!
I think Ronaldo would be misguided to think that. I agree with Pardoe, for me Messi is just the best player around - so he deserves the award. His scoring record in 2012 has been groundbreaking and when you think that he's just as lethal in creating goals (usually for himself) that is amazing.
IMO Messi is clearly the best player in the world. Ronaldo is clearly second (which is a brilliant achievement in itself). Coming back to United wouldn't change that
Gav
I think it's unfair to Ronaldo having Messi as his rival. Ronaldo is head and shoulders above anyone else in the world, exept messi.
As a manchester united supporter, I would like to think that he is better than Messi. But the small argentine is a football phenomenom.
Mick
30 Nov 2012 09:46:27
Ferguson accepts it is purely about picking up points just now.
"It is the time of the year when you grind results out," he said. "The internationals are out of the way and we play our last group game in the Champions League next Wednesday, which gives us further opportunity to concentrate on the league. It is a big moment for us."
"It was a long way from a classic," said Michael Carrick. "The biggest plus was the clean sheet, which at least gives us something to build on.
Further changes can be anticipated for the trip to the Madejski Stadium.
Paul Scholes returns from suspension, whilst if Antonio Valencia has recovered from a hip problem he could also be involved as United found the diamond formation Ferguson deployed on Wednesday something of a struggle.
30 nov 2012 09:22:57
we are top of the league. fact
we are playin rubbishe. fact
scholes and giggs are to old fact. fact
our midfield is rubbishe. fact
im bored. fact
i had chips for my tea. fact
Rafa, shouldn't you be pretending to manage a Chelsea side?
Sydney!
Didnt know Rafa came on this forum lol
You do know Chelsea fans hate you ;)
Giants14
Pointless post. Fact.
-JakeW