Manchester United Banter Archive November 30 2014

30 Nov 2014 21:04:09
With all the talk of strikers what has happened to the forgoton man Hernandez and how is he doing in spain

30 Nov 2014 22:17:30
Not really sure he's a forgotten man when he's playing for Real Madrid. He keeps coming off the bench in games, is never going to be a starter for them I don't think.

Supposedly they won't buy him so he will return

He should be sold to monaco as part of the price for falcao

30 Nov 2014 11:58:29
So the two team directly above us in the table play each other today, so just want to gauge peoples opinions on here.

Now ruling out a draw who would you want to WIN today?
And why?

For me I would prefer Southampton to win as I feel they will drop more point later on in the season where as City will likely improve as the season goes on. Plus I hate seeing City win. Lol.

{Ed004's Note - Southampton for the same reasons}

Southampton, because they're not city.

Why would anyone want city to win

To stop liverpool winning the league.

I want city to win simply because I think they will finish above us so it's a case of eliminating any other competition.

City will most likely finish above us this year. So as much as it hurts to say it, i think its better if they win.

30 Nov 2014 11:37:02
With the hope or raising a good discussion I have a question for you guys. We need a centre half, that is clear, but you can't just go out and buy a centre half. Where are we better stocked? Right centre half, or left centre half? Because the answer to this question should give us some idea as to the centre half we go for. The ed said that we are looking for Hummels or Godin who are right sided centre backs, but is the right side stronger than the left side?

For me, Smalling and Jones could have a future but I just see them as injury prone, the other right sided player is McNair who has done well but is not a starter. And the left side sees Rojo who deserves a chance, Evans who is a reasonable back up and Blackett who has potential.

Would we look stronger having Rojo as a regular alongside say Godin, or would we be better off having Jones or Smalling as a regular alongside a new left sided centre half?

{Ed004's Note - I would personally sell Evans and try to sign a top left sided centre back. However there isn't many about. Doesn't hummels always play as the left sided centre back though?}

I'm not sure ed but I know that he is right footed. In Rojo we have a player that could be a starter but could easily be back up too, its too early to say. Blackett would be a good third choice, I think someone like Howedes would give us good options for that spot.

{Ed004's Note - I would be happy to see a back line of Rafael, Smalling, Hummels and Shaw but that must be the most injury prone backline in the premiership. A lot will depend on the rest of this season and if all those players can keep fit}

I don't think its that important to be honest

Hummels and godin both play left side of their defences. Subotic and Miranda play on the right

Good centre halfs can play left and right centre back

30 Nov 2014 19:34:04
Yeah it's not that bigger deal.

Not sure what the answer is to who we should get. however to all those saying it is not a big deal I think Van Gaal would beg to differ and as he will be making the decision I think Fresh's point counts.
I think in Jan the option will be to take the best long term option. whether that is right or left so long as they are a leader and work with the other side (on the basis that if it is left Rojo could cover LB in the absence of Shaw). Or we take a good short term approach on someone Van Gaal is happy with such as Vlaar.

Let's not forget that Blind can also slot in LCB position .

30 Nov 2014 10:06:01
Guys I'm going to give this a break for a bit. I'm starting to ruin other peoples legitimate posts, with people getting carried away and jumping on whatever I say sometimes with good reason and more recently with people imagining things I am saying, which in turn loses the message of the original poster. Mrs Beast is also not enjoying seeing her husband getting increasingly wound up by people I don't even know, but I have enjoyed spending my time reading their views in the main.

I'm more than up for a debate, but it's not fair for the majority of posts I comment on to turn in to a Beast fest and lose the original message. I'm not going to change my views just because people have their own blinkered outlook on everything Man Utd and LVG. I'm pleased we are winning obviously, but I wish some people would take a step back at times and be prepared to see problems in how the machine is built, even if the product ultimately does work now and again. LVG is not this all knowing God like some of you so desperately want to believe, maybe the Greek God of Hypocrites, but I'm confident you will eventually arrive at that conclusion without me ramming the contradictions home every week!

Thanks for all of your insights and to those of you that have supported my unpopular views, also those of you that have provided intelligent arguments to those views.

Maybe I'll post again in a few months, but its time for a break. The Beast has been caged.

Merry Xmas to you all by the way.

Beast

I have taken stick on here for my views, Berbatov, Nani and Moyes most notably. Whilst I disagree strongly with your views on LvG the site needs differing opinions so I would hope you will reconsider.
LvG is not likely to be the long term manager, my guess he will build it for another younger version to take over and if you saw our style yesterday I can hazard a guess at who it may suit best.
Hope you keep posting

Ride the wave mate, I did after getting a lot of stick everyday. Posters on here always find a scapegoat whether it be a regular poster, Tom Cleverley or Jonny Evans.

30 Nov 2014 10:54:57
What your posts seems to ignore is the fact that we are coming out of a right hole at the minute so its going to take an awful lot of hard graft and patience to get where we need to be. Perhaps just back the team a little then bring these things up in Jan Or even May if they are still issues?

We had an ageing squad, a massive overhaul of players, the transition brought about by changing managers twice in 1 season, the 7th place finish last season, the poor football we were playing, the lack of confidence and morale. I could keep going. I think a lot of posters appreciate the improvement on these points so far and appreciate that its not going to change over night. You seem to see what we haven't achieved rather than what we have. It was always going to be a 2/3 season process but you seem happy to write off the manager after a few months. It makes little sense to me when it was always going to take time.

I disagree with your stance on youngsters. Lvg will give them chances as he sees fit (he is well known for it don't ya know) but he'd be stupid to play 18/19 yr olds week in week out. how many top teams play a number of kids every week? They will get chances and over the next couple of seasons will play more regularly, its just good youth management Imo - look at how Sterling is suffering due to playing too much and being relied upon at such a young age. I'd rather we were more patient with Januzaj etc.

This post is not intended to slag you off. In fact I think you're a good poster and will be missed if you leave. But you do tend to jump on Lvg at every chance and fail to give him any benefit of the doubt. Sometimes we just need to have faith that things are improving and most of the finer details that need ironing out will get sorted along the way. It won't be perfect, won't be instant but we will keep improving and its going to be a fun process to be part of.

Hope you don't take a break Beast but if you do have a good crimbo and happy new year, and look forward to hearing from you when we're back at the top and you're a little more satisfied 😏

A Beast Fest! Sounds interesting. Seriously, don't sweat it, I agree with some of your views, I disagree with some. Like it not some posters will get personal if they disagree. It's really not worth getting wound up about. Someone compared you to KLOOT
which was ridiculous, says more about them than you. Fresh has been given a hard time, GDS has also been harangued, I've had the odd spat but that's what I like about this site; we all see different things and that's what makes it interesting.

Beast sorry if I ws a bit over the top mate. Was uncalled for. Do consider leaving again. your opinion, what ever it may b adds to the site. And lastly "beasts" aren't supposed to walk away that easily mate :P

Beast.
Ajh hits the nail on the head

Appreciate the comments boys, I'll keep reading, but a break will do everyone good I think. The Mrs is delighted which is the most important thing, haha. Thanks again.

Beast please don't take things to heart, to be fair no one knows each other on this site. We just have one common thing which is that we love manchester united, So keep on posting as I may not agree on the things u post but you always start a good debate or atleast something interesting to read.

30 Nov 2014 12:02:14
Beast,

Up to you if you want to leave for a while, but you must realise that if you post things that are controversial and disagree with most peoples opinion then a lot of people are going to argue with you.

I couldn't put it any better than honeybadger to be honest, I agree with everything in his post. You decided after 7 games of LVG taking over a very tricky job that he should be sacked, and despite the evidence proving that things are improving (two defeats since August in games we could have won, coming out of the tough run you said we would fail in and still being top 4, beating arsenal, starting to control games against weaker times like we used to) you still continue to suggest LVG doesn't know what he is doing.

Surely backing the boss like every one of the 70000 in the stadium would be the best thing to do, if he fails then let's analyse him then, but at the moment he is certainly not failing.

I have said many times that nothing I ever say to you is personal, so I hope you haven't taken anything that way.

So you are not going to post because the wife is getting annoyed eh?

Whipped!

If people had the same opinion as every body else this would be a very boring site post your thoughts beast

{Ed004's Note - 100% agree}

Beast. There are a lot worse things in life than being criticised about football views. We all have to keep a level view on this. We love this team and club. Its in our dna. And you are fully entitled to your views. So because some disagree, it doesn't mean they're attacking you.
i happen to think that lvg is a super manager and his record speaks for itself. Just think about it for a moment, we have had 42 injuries in 3 months. I don't care what anyone views are but any team would suffer badly if they had the same injuries. We've not been able to field a settled team. If Chelsea had Terry cahil and hazard out, then costa and fabregas will they still be winning games like they are? Of course nit.
So let's give the manager a chance and see where we are at the end of season, i know lvg personally and he's got the right credentials and mentality to handle this job. So let's not shoot him just yet!
Keep posting, the fact that people are replying, means they're interested in what you're saying!

Keep posting beast

30 Nov 2014 18:13:29
Beast I love reading your ideas on everything as there kinda out there lol, like you say a break can be good but don't keep quiet to long

Apologies as I do not have a polite way of saying this but anyone who can constantly criticise the manager and players (unfairly in my book) then needs to have enough about them to stand their ground and take some criticism from fellow posters rather than run home acting like a victim in what is ultimately a banter site. I even read beast say something about how the managers at fault for his fantasy team not doing well!! For the posters who are asking him to reconsider fair play to you but surely that respect should go both ways give and take not just give then run

Wow . didn't know this site had so many "posters" as opposed to just members. It took beasts sabbatical for me to see some names, could also be because I am relatively new here.
I also hope u reconsider your hiatus. I must say there are few members here whose posts, comments and replies i look forward to the most and actually scroll down to their names . u being one of them.
That being said, I respect your decision and look forward to your return.
Merry Xmas and Happy new yr to u and the Family!

Coma back soon. You're the only person on this site who I find myself agreeing with!

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