Manchester United Banter Archive August 31 2014

 

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31 Aug 2014 22:49:22
Quick question for everybody. Assuming there's any truth that we've put in a bid for Falcao and signing him is a possibility - what would people think about using RVP as part of a deal for Vidal?

Juventus have expressed interest in RVP in the past and have been looking at Falcao and Chico during this window - both of whom look incredibly unlikely to end up there. RVP is injury prone and is said to need an operation which could keep him out for an extended period - so if we persist with playing two up front we would need another top striker anyway. He's also getting on a bit in terms of age and would need to be replaced over the next two seasons anyway. Falcao would improve our attack and may also prevent him from moving to City - which in my eyes would make them unstoppable from an attacking point of view.

We would get a top finisher who is better than anything we currently have and the midfielder we've needed for years. From a financial point of view it wouldn't cost us too much (apparently Monaco are asking for E40m and I'd guess that a bid of £15m and RVP should be enough to sign Vidal). RVP's wages would probably offset the wages of one of the two players and with Chico, Clevs, Kags and potential Welbeck leaving the wages of the other would not be too much of a hit.

Appreciate that it's an unlikely scenario but am interested to see what people would think about allowing RVP to leave.

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{Ed004's Note - I would rather spend 50 mill outright on Vidal and keep Falcao but it's not my money and if you offered me falcao and Vidal tomorrow for RvP I would take it without hesitation}

I posted something similar a week or so ago.
I would of been happy to use rvp in the Vidal deal, add falcao and its a definite yes

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I'm with 004 on this one.

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Yes I would, but will never happen.

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15 mil plus Rvp? Ha, try 30Mil plus Rvp.

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I will take a healthy Falcao any which way. Vidal does not need any more mentioning. I would ship both rooney and RVP for those 2.

If falcao happens it would be the most astonishing window in the history of the club. Now if we could only stop this ally 352 formation, I reckon we would be pretty darn good.

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31 Aug 2014 21:33:26
Off for a wee while at the minute due to a car crash. First transfer deadline day I've been off in years.

What do we think? Worth watching Sky Sports News all day, or better off catching up on the Hannibal series?

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12 cans of fosters, 20 lambert and butler, note on the front door saying " do not disturb its deadline day " I won't be moving and the channel will not be changed till its all over. I can't wait :-)

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Oh an make sure you get a claim put in for the crash. I was in one last month myself

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I love the drama of deadline day, only comes round twice a year! On the sofa all day watching sky sports for me.

It's even better knowing we still are in the market also!

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31 Aug 2014 23:20:51
hope you're ok Stevie? I'd set up 2 tv's, have SS News on silent :-)

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Hope you're ok sk. Get well soon. Enjoy transfer merry go round!!

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31 Aug 2014 23:52:56
Cheers, guys. Boy in work drove me through a wall at 60mph. Knocked me clean out, but flippin' lucky enough.

First one I've taken an interest in for a while. If only to be able to watch another potential target signing for someone else, when we thought he was nailed on to come to Utd :)

Probably an anti-climax, but we've by and large bought decent players, in the positions we were all complaining about for the last few seasons, so it'll have been good as it is. Wouldn't say no to another midfielder and a centre half, though.

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He I am dragging myself into work with a horrible cold/flu virus whilst you take off sick at the 1st excuse!

Most of the day will be pretty boring, I'd dip in and out or keep the internet open whilst you're watching the TV

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01 Sep 2014 09:08:15
I've booked the day off

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01 Sep 2014 09:43:50
Well in Wigan red! Proper fan that lad!

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Wigan Red that is dedication. I hope you have a box of Kleenex next to you to cover both bases, it could be very exciting or very depressing, either way it's going to be messy!

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31 Aug 2014 21:08:18
Evening all,

Been sat thinking this today.

Phil Jones is a natural leader. And he's the one who should be the linchpin of the defence. Put Rojo/Evans on the left hand side and then Smalling on the right hand side.

I think that's LvG's plan, and I don't expect a big name cb to come in. The likes of Carrick and Blind can sit at DM and they'll drop back and defend a lot better than Fletcher.

On another note, I notice that Toby Alderweireld is being touted around Europe, do we hold any interest in him, Eds?

I think he'd be a nice little addition, and would give some nice competition to the rcb position.

Cheers for the work Eds.

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I think Jones for the RCB, Rojo for the left LCB. It's obvious LvG wanted Hummels for CCB. We will have to wait and see what happens tomorrow.

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31 Aug 2014 22:51:23
Rojo LCB
Jones RCB
Blind CCB (without possession)
Blind CDM (with possession)

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Suits me Utd Road. I just worry a bit about Blind's pace, we may be dropping a bit too deep with him back there.

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31 Aug 2014 20:42:52
Hi Guys

Deadline day fever has started now rumors of a move for Falcao.I posted earlier saying we would go for another striker but not sure he would come to us.
Thoughts guys

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Says who? Ill be very happy if we sign him tho . Good player with pace and technique, similar to Suarez. With Chica looking likely to go to Madrid, I would sign him and promote James Wilson.
We still need a World Class CB tho

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I hope that's true best striker in Europe imo

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31 Aug 2014 23:55:17
There must be a problem at Monaco. Why let one of the best strikers in world football go?

I'd take him in a heartbeat.

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Monaco seems to be selling, moutinho would be a great buy too. Just send the plane over woody and get both please.

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31 Aug 2014 19:24:41
With all these outgoings, we surely must be bringing in some more players tomorrow?

I am a little gutted about Kagawa. The truth is though, his fate was decided the day we signed RVP.

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Spot on.

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I'm hoping we may bring in one or two more but I don't necessarily think the outgoing players mean we will. I mean, we signed 5 players this window and have only offloaded a little bit of the deadwood. Fingers crossed for another CB.

I'm also disappointed to see Kagawa leave. Wonderful little player that the club could never utilize correctly. And as you said, once RVP was signed his opportunities were limited. Add Mata to the mix and he never had much of a chance. Hope he can rediscover himself again at Dortmund.

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I bet he has a blinder with Dortmund this season.

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"I am a little gutted about Kagawa. The truth is though, his fate was decided the day we signed RVP." Samthered

So SAF signed them in the same transfer window and Kagawa's fate was sealed then. Your wrong.

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Carloto, his fate was sealed. Kagawa was bought to play as the number 10 behind Rooney. Once RVP was signed, Rooney became the number 10, and Kagawa was shoved out to the left, which led to poor performances and a loss of confidence - which led to his departure after two years at the club. So no, I don't believe I was wrong.

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I'd say his fate was sealed when Moyes gave Rooney a fat new contract and then signed Mata. If SAF had remained in charge for an extra year things could have been very different for Shinji.

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31 Aug 2014 23:58:21
I agree with Danny. SAF retiring was really what sealed his fate. Shinji needed to break through in his second season yet never got a decent chance under Moyes.

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While I'm in no doubt United are still looking at getting more players in I think a lot of people are forgetting we can afford to have a smaller squad this year. Just because we are clearing x amount out does it mean we need the same amount in.

Until next year we only playing roughly 4 games a month then if we are lucky a few extra games with the FA cup next year. So as long as they are looking for the right few, let them save as much as possible on clearing the dead wood.

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31 Aug 2014 18:59:35
Struggling to understand the amount of loans that have been either discussed or approved.Nani, hernandez, Zaha, Fellaini, Anderson.
It suggests that there is no interest in them at our valuation(maybe to be expected as they have not played for a while), plus van gaal Wants to trim the squad and it is worse having them around. However I don't see it helping offset the books unless they play well and valuation is higher next year!
I hope that after tomorrow Mr Woodward and lvg come out and explain the thoughts and process of the window.but I doubt it.

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All the players mentioned are players that most fans have wanted rid of. The club move them on, sign 5 top players, and people are still moaning.

Some fans will never be happy.

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31 Aug 2014 18:15:36
Good luck to Shinji Kagawa, great player who we never saw the best of. He'll show everyone how good he is back at Dortmund under a manager who believes in him. Never needed Mata, Kagawa should have been trusted more and not had Rooney in his way for the number 10 position.

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Brendan, I totally agree. I am more disappointed to see Kagawa leave than I have been for any other player in a long time. We were sad to see Ronaldo leave, but we all knew it would happen, and he had fulfilled his potential up to that point in his career.
Kagawa on the other hand has never found his best form for us. It could be argued that he never took his chances, and that is a fair point. But he never really got the opportunity to play in his best position for any real run of games. I was so genuinely excited when we signed him. It is just a shame it never really worked out. I wish him all the best going back "home" to a place where he will be properly used, and appreciated.
One thing that really bothers me is why so many technically gifted players fail to make an impact at United. Many will point to the physical side ot the EPL, but there are numerous examples for lightweight but technically brilliant players doing well in our league. Just not at OT.

Shinji Kagawa, thankyou and good luck.

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31 Aug 2014 19:52:53
It upsets me! I know it hasn't worked out but there was always a feeling he'd come good, especially under LVG. He was one of the best attacking midfielders in the world while at Dortmund playing in a counter attacking team.

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Betty

I think it is a shame to have let him go for so little especially given the fact by the managers own admission that he is one of our best passers. Very odd decision given the number of players I would have shipped out before him.

Interesting 24 hours ahead and I wonder what else is in store.

I do hope we are not crazy enough to let Welbeck and Hernandez both go as we will then be very short upfront especially if RVP rumours are true.

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GCU

It is disappointing we haven't, as far as we know, used leverage in the Kagawa transfer to get someone from Dortmund.

In terms of strikers, it is silly season, we lack defenders and midfield players but have been linked with Falcao. Obviously

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Redman

I think tomm will be a day to remember and I honestly have no idea what to expect given the unusual nature of this window. I was convinced Shaw and Vidal would be early deals and then few other things would follow.

I expect a CD that is maybe not as widely followed to come in for sure, I do not expect Welbeck to move and still think we will see a CM come in, your guess is as good as mine :)

If the Falcao thing does by some Devine reason happen I would be lost for words and but will not complain as long as he s healthy because no team or sets of fans can complain about getting someone of that quality, which surely means the end of DW going but doubt it.

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Mata should never have been bought in my opinion. Kagawa is so under rated. Very quick. What are we lacking? A bit of pace up front. Gutted he is leaving without really getting a decent crack at it in his proper position. Good luck to him. He'll probably run rings round us one day, presuming we get to play again in Europe soon.

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GCU

The main United reporter from Manchesters main paper is saying no more signings.

I think top four would be doubtful without something better in midfield and at the back. The Falcao stuff sounds more like somebody using us to leverage a better deal.

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31 Aug 2014 23:58:34
He's the first player to leave in years, that I'm genuinely upset about, even though he is just a transient employee.

When you know how good he was at BVB, and how good he's going to be when he goes back there, it sticks in the craw a little. As much as I like Mata, I'd have Kagawa in the no.10 role every time.

I also hope this doesn't mean the end of Evil Kagawa - best thing on the internet.

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He didn't convince fergy
He didn't convince moyes and lvg sold him.
He had chances never took them.
Never proved he could handle the EPL

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31 Aug 2014 17:45:15
Finally, S. Kagawa left us to bvb. I hope he will do his best for his new club as he more appreciated at his previous club. As same as before, manutd like to play overrated player mata rather than talented player kagawa. zaha and januzaj I think they are talented but underrated by coach. Kagawa left bvb for his dream club (manutd) but we disappointed him. I rather play him as he will give all he has as he is a manutd fan but we did not give him opportunities. but we play mata that over rated spanish player. too many overrated player in manutd and play for money that why our spirit to play not same as 92' class. they (beckham, giggs, scholes) play for their dream club but now they play for money (rooney, mata). I hope we do not sell players that want to sacrifice them self for club. Please please please do not sells januzaj and zaha. enough with kagawa, pogba. thankz ed if you post at the wall.

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31 Aug 2014 18:00:57
Hi folks this is my first post so here goes, I liked Mata when he arrived, I thought he was a bit of class that United were lacking. What has happened to him? He has turned himself into another Cleverley. He gets the ball in midfield, passes forward (on a good day) and watches the other player try to do something with the ball without support or forward running. The ball then travells back or sideways. Movement in the United team is totally lacking. It's like they all need to learn how to play all over again. In the long term LVG will turn them into a good team in the short term Giggs would have had more success by now. Rant over!

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You just answered your own question? if no ones making runs how do you expect him to pull the strings and pick out amazing passes when no one in front of him moves thus leaving him to look to the sides, when given the opportunity he will play the perfect pass, no movement from either forward limits him.

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Personally, I never rated mata and I still don't. But I don't think we can blame him for all our troubles.

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Mata needs quick people around him to open up spaces, then he will find that killer pass or make that run into the box. The side are also still suffering. During preseason when the pressure was off the likes of Rooney, Mata & Young were excellent, but then we stepped onto the field against Swansea and it was last season all over again. We went to sh1t3. Evans in the last two games has made more mistakes than in his last two seasons. When we have the likes of Rojo, shaw, Herrera and Blind available, when Di Maria has had a few games, I think we will start to look a lot better.

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31 Aug 2014 17:33:21
I wonder, if we could all re-do AJH's prediction comp again after the 1st 3 games, how many would have us in the top 4 at the end of the season now?
I'm optimistic it will come together but a CM that can dictate the pace of the game is essential to that. Other that that with the addition of Blind possibly playing as the ball playing CD and with the return of Shaw & Harerra we can still challenge for the top 4. Personally I'd give the system time but bench Mata (lack of pace) and play ADM central and also bench Valencia (pace but no idea how to use it!) and play Young (I know) or Rapha from the right.
So in summation, sign Vidal and it'll all be just dandy! ;-)

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I was going to put as down as fifth but had the confidence that we'd sign the right players between then and the end of the window. As of the moment I don't think we've done that.

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I think we have signed plenty of good players but obviously not everyone we wanted.

However spreading 3 centre backs at the back and playing young and valencia as wing backs in this f. g formation nullifies most of what has been signed.

I cannot for one minute phantom that players like smalling and Jones are being asked to set up our play from the back, it is just not their thing and their entire training up to now has been different to what they are being asked to do. Even worse is young blanket who until this season has never played first team football and being thrown in there amongst the rest, who seem confused and terrible defenders but they are a lot better than current showing.

BTW Mancini tried this at city and had city in 6's and 7's and conceding goals and ended dropping it before half time or at half time in a dozen games and going back to a traditional back 4.

Let's see what that grand plan is after the window closes and take stock of where we are as I am not sure what he has in mind and doubt anyone else knows.

Maybe Blind will turn out to be stroke of genius and the glue to do what fletcher and the rest are incapable of doing.

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Shahram, I am not exactly in favour of the CB's, but I like the idea of very attacking fullbacks. Personally I would play a 442 diamond with Blind as the sitting defensive midfielder. However I do have my reservations about the defence.

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I said 5th. But i'm not sure of that now!

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Sydney

Jones, smalling and evans did not turn into terrible defenders over night. They might not be world class but they are a lot better than what we are seeing and the current system is accentuating their weaknesses.

City play great attacking football and so do Chelsea but I don't see them playing wingers as wingbacks and leaving their cd's exposed. If you watch the gap between them our defenders when we have the ball, it is alarming how far apart they are being pulled and no choice but to hoof it upfield almost from the touchline and our shape is all over the place.

CD's are not at their best when they are being pulled side to side across the pitch and to make things worse our attacking football is nonexistent. Someone should pull up a stat and I bet we are near or at the bottom of the league in chances created.

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31 Aug 2014 17:59:13
Good luck to Shinji on his return to Dortmund. I'm sure if he'd been played as a regular no10 he would have proved himself, instead of occasional appearances on the left wing. His time at United is a lesson about not just buying good players for the sake of it, but buying players for specific positions instead. Hopefully that's what LVG means about players fitting his philosophy.

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At the time SAF bought Kagawa I said on here that unless we changed the way we played I couldn't see why we bought him. We were crying out for Roy Keane or Hargreaves replacement yet bought someone who revelled in quick, high tempo closing down football. SAF's replacement didn't play that way either so the question is why we bought him in the first place and given SAF was a year from retirement how did Shinji fit into the transition plan? If indeed there was one.
Kagawa goes back to Dortmunds exciting style probably a more physically able footballer and will likely return to what he was doing before. It shows how important it is to have a structure and a plan and fit purchases into it. I also wondered how Mata fitted when he lacked pace and we shall see. LvG will balance the squad with how he sees our pattern going forward. Good luck to Kagawa he deserves it after a difficult two years.

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SAF thought Rooney was off, hence why we bought Shinji and RVP, I wish he had gone, we would be a far better team. He's holding us back.

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Anon. I have been rooneys most loyal supporter. But giving him the captaincy was wrong. He's not playing well and we should be able to drop him but we wont.

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31 Aug 2014 17:57:10
Good sets of results for us this weekend and given our horrendous start everyone is providing a helping hand. Imagine 4 points off second with the rubbish we have played LOL.

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31 Aug 2014 17:52:30
I would doubt that the De Jong thing is going to happen. he started for Milan today and it would seem strange to risk it if he is about to leave. must be shopping in a different place

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31 Aug 2014 17:40:19
I hope we name drop whilst negotiating with both Dortmund and Madrid, both have several available players who'd improve us greatly.

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31 Aug 2014 17:40:14
What is with all the hate surrounding Mata recently? By far a better No.10 than Rooney is IMO

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Gorton

It isn't hate at all but there are questions around Mata's pace which is exposed when he has RVP and Rooney around him. It makes us slow in transitioning the ball back to front and Mata needs some pace around him. DiMaria is there now but is it enough to give Mata the outlets he needs?
Mata is a very good player, like Kagawa but he has to have the right players around him to succeed. Mourinho had a different vision and shifted him despite being player of the year twice. We didn't need another number 10 but we bit at £37m so now he needs pace around him in my opinion to get the best out of him.

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I have said before that Mata is a great little player, but we do need that zip in the attack so he will only suit certain games. I still think he will start many games and play in nearly all of them when fit, but will still be a quality player for us. He's on relatively low wages if the rumours are correct. He cost us £40m this year so unless a very high offer came in for him, he will be here for a while. We need 14 top notch players. 11 players and 3 subs. The rest can be youth and fringe players. There is room for Mata. He's a nice lad and will not kick up a fuss when not selected. Would people prefer Anderson on the bench or Mata?

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31 Aug 2014 17:18:44
Hummels looks like he won't be leaving. What about Subotic?

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31 Aug 2014 17:07:49
Will eagerly be seeing if there are any more arrivals tomorrow. Hopefully another cm or cb at least but if you told me who was signing at the beginning of the window I would have been happy but I don't think it's too greedy to expect one or two more quality signings/starters. Just come out to the algarve for a break and a bit of golf. Got a bit star struck at the bag collection yesterday when stood a few feet away from United legend Denis law. He was looking smart dare I say it for a man of his age. I then had to explain to my eight your old son who he was as my daughter and wife weren't even the slightest bit interested. Here's to an eventful Monday and another glass of vino tinto in the sun. Maybe a bit of noble cuvee later.

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31 Aug 2014 16:46:39
Ed have united drawn the line with the whole Vidal thing and turned to Carvalho?

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{Ed002's Note - Give me a break.}

31 Aug 2014 20:22:37
Try putting Ed002 in the search function. Ed002 has answered numerous questions on both players in the past week.

The editors here are a great resource when it comes to information - but I imagine there's only so many times they can answer the same question without getting fed-up!

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31 Aug 2014 16:13:19
I wonder if the move of Chicharito to Real Madrid facilitates the signing of Falcao to City. Just a thought.

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I'd be very surprised if City signed Falcao. From a financial fair play point of view they are living dangerously already and they already have four very good strikers at the club.

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The Signing of Hernandez as I am aware is just a precaution just in case they fail to land One of their other two striker targets. Even with Hernandez they will still pursue other options.

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31 Aug 2014 15:54:24
Beast, good blog post. I have commented but I don't think I signed in. Mine is the 1 agreeing re Rooney but making some other suggestions

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Nice one AJH and the others that commented. I would change the formation in a heart beat, but I think LVG is set on it until he has every player signed he needs.

RVP is class when 100% fit, but he never seems to be and we need to start planning for the future. I don't see the point in having him play as the lead striker, and players getting used to it with him playing when realistically he doesn't have long left at this level, injuries have taken their toll and he has not performed for 18 months with any sort of consistency.

Fellaini is just a short term idea whilst the players learn their roles behind him. We need to be winning games as well as learning and currently our chance creation is nominal, Mata hasn't played one intricate goal scoring pass for ages. It just doesn't happen, so scruffy may not be nice but it will get us chances.

I just hope LVG uses the Intl break to study the opposition and adopt tactics accordingly, rather than one size fits all. 2 spare men at the back against QPR at home is just a joke.

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31 Aug 2014 15:12:17
Hi Ed002,

I know you can't speak in term of definates, but are we likely to see a big signing in the next 32hours or so. Go on gives us a hint.

Thanks for all your and the other Ed's input this summer. I bet you are desperate for the window to close so you can forget the name of a Chilean MF and a German CB and possibly a Portuguese DM all of which I shall not name for fear of throwing you over the edge. You have definitely added the X factor this summer that was missing last year.

You should have peace until let's say mid October, before we start ramping up for the jean the 1st window.

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{Ed002's Note - Sure.}

31 Aug 2014 15:12:00
Deadline day deals.

Who's coming in?

Midfield
We all seem to have an idea of who we are looking at only bit of news is Sven Bender is being linked through the Kagawa deal.

Anyone one of these would add to the team: Vidal, Carvalho, de Jong, Sven Bender

Def:
Anyone's guess Hummels isn't going to
happen IMO(but he didn't play on Friday). In my opinion we need an experienced leader and organiser a bit of a Laurent Blanc style signing (how we could use Vidic now!) I also think LvG may play Blind as CB but coming forward as DCM when in possession.

Who's linked: Hummels, Vlaar, Hintergger, Schar, Veltman, Savic.
If we can't get anyone I would bid £2m and bring back Wes Brown (a bit random but seems injury free and knows what the shirt means).

Attack:
I can't see anyone being signed, Wilson is stepping up with RVP needing an operating Welbeck will stay. We won't sign a winger as Adan Januazj can't even get a game. Cuarado would be good for Wing and Wing Back but don't see it happening with what's been spent so far and Rafa still to come back.

Outs:
Cleverley, Chicarito, Kagawa
+ Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Giggs

Ins:
1xCM, 1xCB
Herrera, Shaw, Di Maria, Blind.

A big transition which should have started last summer but will be short term pain for long term gain.

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The word is that LVG has known about RVP's need for an operation for some time. On that basis I don't see how the information being made public will have any bearing on Welbeck's future. If we were willing to let him go yesterday - I imagine that's still the case. I suspect the only thing that might put a stop to it would be if we plan on bringing in a replacement and are unable to sort a deal in time.

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2 million for Wes Brown would prefer John O Shea and neither are worth one let alone two million

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31 Aug 2014 15:37:41
Reading that the fee for kagawa is 6.8 million. The fees received have been ridiculous although it hasn't worked out for him he is still a class act. Even 2.25 mil for bebe who scored 14 league goals in the Portuguese top division seems very low. Mata wasn't wanted at Chelsea and they still managed to get a ridiculous amount of money for him. Makes you wonder what goes on behind the scenes at our club.

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I've been thinking about that for years our players always leave cheap I mean if that's right about kagawa that is a joke less than 7 million

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Desperation as far as Mata was concerned.

As for Kagawa, he's surplus to requirements, which puts us in a weak position - it's not like he's lit up the stage. Obviously there were no better offers. Console yourself that the club will save another 5m a year in salary costs.

Whether it's the player or the system, a player who has ceased to perform at the top level, whether by lack of opportunity or ineffectiveness, has little perceived value.

I made the point last year about how little our squad was worth on the open market compared to our rivals.
Excluding the new signings, other than de Gea and Janusaj who could we sell for more than 20m?

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Peashooter - Both Di Maria and Mata were surplus to requirements and yet between the two of them we probably paid close to double what they are worth.

Kagawa is a very good and very marketable player. £6.8m is a joke. I'd rather keep him than sell for anything less than £18m.

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Rooney in this market would go for over 40 million.

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We seem to hang to players for a long time and they tend to eventually be sold when their stock has fallen within the club and externally.

Our wage structure also makes it hard to shift some of these guys, I mean who is going to pay cleverly 70k a week when you have better players getting a fraction of that in spain, italy, portugal.

I think the reason we see such low numbers when we sell is because we actually want to shift their wages off our books and look at it in totality.

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Well Peashooter Rooney Hernandez Rvp Welbeck maybe should I go on

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Cleverley is on £35k-£40k a week Shahram.

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But your point is still valid. You are right that we have to accept smaller fees due to subsidising higher wages.

Not just that, at this moment in time we are desperate to offload players due to our massive gross spent.

Other clubs know this so will offer lower than the player is probably worth or offer loan deal only.

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Syd

That 70k figure has been quoted in numerous articles of what I would say are pretty credible news sources. I know you keep saying it is 30k to 40k but then again who can say it not 70k. One of the issues with the supposed transfer is his wage. 30k or 40k would not be issue with most pl teams.

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Shahram, there isn't a single source saying £70k a week. Not one.

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I found several articles saying £40k a week, some saying £35k a week. Zero saying £70k a week. The £70k figure is what the media were saying we have offered him. He's signed one senior contract since he was a youth player, 2011. Do you think he went from a training salary to £70k a week? Of course not. I would say it's £40k a week, but even that is a little bit on the pricey side to the likes of Leicester and Co.

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Article saying the thing holding up his transfer is his 60k a week wage demand.

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No one is going to pay 40m for Rooney. His salary is so high he's virtually unsaleable. Even if the pay scale issue could be resolved, the only teams that can afford that much and might actually benefit from him as a striker are Arsenal and possibly Spurs.

Matas Beard. If Welbeck and Hernandez were worth 20m then there would be competition for their signatures - but at 20m+ there clearly isn't. Same with Kagawa who seems to not be very versatile. Good players, but as far as the very top teams in Europe are concerned, they're second stringers.

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So he's demanding £60k a week, what's that got to do with his current salary? There's talk that he's going to wind down his contract and leave for free next summer. Seems he's doing just that. He maybe playing silly buggers.

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31 Aug 2014 15:19:23
As I feared, people writing liverpool chances are seriously wrong. They have bought incredibly well. Balotelli did very well. And their front players are better than ours.
So if we are going to battle for 4th spot, then we need to beat arsenal to it.

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I don't think their front players are better than ours - but they are certainly playing a lot better. Still don't think they have what it takes to mount a serious challenge to Chelsea.

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I agree no midfield Totenham Everton are just like ourselves terrible inconsistent Liverpool I think will get third so we have to beat Arsenal to fourth

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I wouldn't right Liverpool off, but I wouldn't get excited by todays reslt either. Not for the 1st time Spurs defence was awful. City comfortably beat them last week and we beat a near full strength Liverpool in Miami. What I do like about their play is its energetic, pacey style. This directly contrasts our pedestrian style which could get us a place in Barclays walking football.

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Red seven, our forward players are the best in the league when on form. Sturridge is yet to hit his stride and ballotelli isn't fit and firing yet. Sterlings developing into a top class playerhuge potential for the future. Markovic, lallana, coutinho all have wonderful ability. If Liverpool had courtais as their GK and a solid defense we would win the league. Liverpool will challenge but fall short. Arsenal IMO look very vulnerable this year. Their defense is weak as too GK and they don't have a top class forward. Its up to united to start pulling wins out

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31 Aug 2014 16:34:24
Matas beard,

I don't think our problem is anything to do with consistency, I would say we have been pretty consistent thus far.

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31 Aug 2014 16:55:34
Inhope

That should be an optimistic joke. City did beat us and the would beat you by a bigger margin. ( not a dig ), But city are the team to beat.

You should have been 9 points by now. We both are in pretty much same transition, Liverpool lost Suarez and UTD with new a manager. The Difference, we keep picking up those vital 3 points. And we are done with Surs and City away. UTD are yet to face any top team home / away

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I agree with Nomidfield.

RVP is past it. He was a one season wonder who has now reverted to permanent injured status. Rooney is too slow and has no touch.

If RVP needs an operation then he should just go ahead and have it rather than continue to make excuses. United should keep Welbeck instead and give him a chance. He couldn't do worse.

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Al - I'd take Rooney, Van Persie, Mata, Di Maria and Januzaj over Balo, Sturridge, Sterling, The Lama and Courtinho any day of the week.

Just like you - if we had Vidal as our B2B midfielder and a solid defense we would win the league. The point is that right now neither of our squads are good enough to win the league and from a first team POV we are probably as many players away as you from having a chance (2 or 3).

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So the scouser says City are the team to beat yet Chelsea yesterday anilated Everton to be fair they fought back Spurs and Liverpool have the same problem a terrible defence the Goalkeepers bad yet he saved them countless times last season along with Suarez Scousers never happy

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31 Aug 2014 18:43:44
Al
Our forward players aren't performing at the moment. But they will. They have proved themselves time and time again. Sturridge had 1 good year and Rooney was poor by his standards but think he was still only 3 goals behind. RVP/Balotelli both have their problems ie Injury/liability but I would take a fully fit RVP any day. Mata/coutinho no contest. Sterling is on fire and probably edges Janusaj at the moment but Janusaj has more potential. And Di Maria/ Lalana. Don't need to comment.

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Will red your.living in the past mate, our forward players are miles ahead. Let the season take its.course :)

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31 Aug 2014 15:11:13
So deadline day 2moro!

Obviously it would be great to see us sign the likes of vidal, hummels, carvalho.

But I would like peoples opinion on weather you think it would be a good piece of business to snap up memphis depay?

He has started this season on fire with 8 goals in 6 games.

Ed002 do you kno if we still hold an interest?

Cheers

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31 Aug 2014 15:50:04
He's just signed a new contract with PSV until 2018 so I doubt he's going to come cheap if we do

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Depay would be a good signing if we plan on reverting to a 4-3-3 formation anytime soon. I'm not sure his club are willing to sell at this time though.

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I think depay has just signed a new contract .

I will be very worried if we don't sign a top CB.
Im starting to wonder if carrick will play CB

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I did wonder that myself Jred.

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31 Aug 2014 14:47:16
So if that was a penalty, why wasn't Young given one yesterday? The inconsistency in this league is frightening. Another soft Liverpool penalty. Game over now.

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This is a criticism of the lack of consistency of referees, not Liverpool by the way. Liverpool the better side, but at 1.0 it can still go either way. Soft penalty at an important time and it's game over.

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Spurs outclassed by a better team. Defense is very shaky but needs time to gel and confidence like your own

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Always happy to learn something new when I read this forum, for example today I have learned that despite popular belief, there is a "Z" in Tonz.

Who knew?

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Just saw the highlights and agree with you syd.

Over the last 12 months they have been gifted by my count 7 or 8 penalties that have been pure s. t and horse face is living a charmed life. Still don't rate them and do not believe they will finish top 4.

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31 Aug 2014 14:43:13
Afternoon Eds!

Just one question, does LVG expect to make more than one signing before deadline day ends? I know efforts are being made with regards to transfers, but I can only see movements being made for midfielders, when surely the backline needs sorting out.

Thanks in advance!

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{Ed002's Note - The club are doing what they can to bring players in.}

31 Aug 2014 15:13:44
Thanks again ed

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31 Aug 2014 15:13:12
Ed002, can I ask if we have enquired about Hummels or Cuadrado in the last few days? Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Not in the last few days Syd.}

Thanks, so we can assume our attentions are elsewhere today and tomorrow.

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31 Aug 2014 14:41:48
Hi Guys

If as is expected both Chicharrito and Welbeck leave tomorrow does that not leave us short of strikers.Even if Wilson becomes a first team squad regular that still leaves us with only 3 strikers.With RvP's injury issues it doesn't look good.That begs the question does LvG have a striker in mind to bring in.If so I'm not sure who.Any thoughts guys.

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Or he plans to play 1 striker in a 4-3-3? If that's the case Rooney and Wilson would probably be enough with di Maria and Januzaj as potential back up in emergencies.

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ADM and Januzaj could probably do a job. I remember Giggs playing upfront on several occasions and doing very well.

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31 Aug 2014 14:40:11
Hi I saw a report on metro that mensah from ajax was having a medical at United is there any truth to it

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Metro's about as reliable as chocolate fire guard mate, don't take notice of it.

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31 Aug 2014 17:51:35
Mensah is indeed having a medical, however he's one for the future,still only sixteen.

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31 Aug 2014 14:37:36
With RVP potentially needing surgery I am hoping young Wilson gets a run in the team, I watched him rip City 21s apart - he was very impressive!

Blind could shock a lot of people IMO, Although the lad is not classed in the same league as the likes of Vidal and Strootman - he is still only 24. Plenty of time to establish himself as a top player. Also don't like these comments about him being a "Glorified John O'Shea" as much as big John was a good all-round player - I think this lads is a lot better and as we all know sometimes the big names just don't work out, Seba Veron for example. Anyway I am delighted we have the lad on board he is better than what we have and I thought he had a very good World Cup.

I do think we will turn things around, obviously we wanted a blistering start but it will take time, the advantage the likes of Chelsea have is that Jose knew where he needed to strengthen last season but still had a squad who could compete, We unfortunatly didn't have such a luxury and now like LVG said we have to re-build.

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Van Persie did alright at the WC and yesterday needing an operation. Perhaps it will keep until the summer?

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31 Aug 2014 15:05:05
What I mean is if he has to undergo the surgery and he is out - then give Wilson a run in the team, although I have a feeling there could be a striker potentially coming in.

Perhaps what will keep until the summer Syd?

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John O'Shea was a great layer for us and deserved better than some of the comments on here. Disgraceful

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Saying "a glorified John O'shea" is'nt pulling JO down its simply saying he can do what John does but a little better.
Some people need to lighten up a little.

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I'll never forget o'shea's chip and the amazement on his face that it actually went in, not to mention he megged figo!

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31 Aug 2014 14:27:33
I'm just wondering why isn't januzaj having a proper chance to play this season? He's a lot better than what we've already got and In my opinion he's better than Mata in this current system as his decision making and speed of play is a lot quicker!

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31 Aug 2014 14:31:24
I think there was a post a couple of days ago which referred to our two central attackers being the best in the league, I disagreed with that then and I strongly disagree with it now.
I think Rooney and rvp don't like each other and don't link up well together. They are both relatively slow and both are injury prone. I don't think either of them want to make runs across or behind the defence.
We are likely to lose rvp for another op. I think if falcao is available then we should be making every effort to get him. I can see either Rooney or rvp not being here next year.

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Nomid

I still stick by what I said and did say they were on par with city as a pair. Unfortunately there is zero build up play that allows them to get any meaningful service and receiving the ball 25 yards out with 4 or 5 players around them makes them toothless.

It helps to have a midfield/ers that pulls defenders out of position and opens up stuff for strikers ala Silva, nasri, hazard, willian to name a few. unfortunately our lot don't have that capability and are a static midfield and are great at passing the ball sideways.

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Nomid,

I agree that they don't seem to get on, and don't look like forming a partnership. But ai do think they can make the runs that that need to, especially RvP. To be fair to the forwards, our midfield and wide players are so poor at the moment, that they have to drop deep and "go looking" for the balll. RvP is quite capable of making those runs in behind, but we don't get the ball to him when he does.

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We are still lacking a Hummels, Cuadrado and a Vidal. I feel we could get a Vidal tomorrow, but I think we will have to wait for a Cuadrado or a Hummels.

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Falcao would cost to much, he is available for 1 year loan at the cost of 20 mill (apparantly)

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Rvp did get in behind from an excellent di maria pass but doesn't look sharp at the moment

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31 Aug 2014 15:12:47
Individually I think there's an argument that no club has a better front two at their disposal - but as you say - they just don't play well together (more specifically - I don't think RVP plays well with Rooney).

I can also see one of them leaving (RVP) and a pacey striker coming in - although if the long term plan is 4-3-3 there may only be space for one top drawer striker at the club. Personally I still think Aubemayang would be a good shout as he can also play on the wing - but Ed002 says there's no interest at this time.

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In terms of our front two, I have said before neither has real pace so I can't agree they are the best two. Other teams have moved forward with pace and power up front, we have neither. They are both very good players but there are other attacks which would concern me more to play against. Without pace we can't run behind, they don't have power and if you look yesterday Mata, RVP and Rooney didn't have the pace to stretch defences with their runs. Often pairs look sharp and ours don't. Almost deal with DiMaria and we will not be as dangerous. It's why Wilsons development is important yet we are already looking to him as the answer at his age.

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31 Aug 2014 15:40:59
For me, they need to be rotated as I said ages ago. We all know they don't perform together, but up top alone in a 433 with DiMaria and Januzaj just behind, they would both be excellent. Rooney is a central striker just like RVP, that is where they need to play just not together. Also, Rooney is no number 10 so no one suggest that :-)

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For a few years now united have struggled to get the ball forward quick enough.
By the time we do there are 8 men behind the ball .
The tempo of our play and transition of the ball from front to back is shocking.
There is far more to it than having a quick striker.
Rvp in particular plays well on the defenders shoulder but that's hard to do when the defenders are on the 18 yard line .

Also remember our quick counter attacking football it was lead by flying wingers .

Teams now counter attack us as there is no pace in the middle of the park

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Brendan, he's a better number ten than he's a number nine.

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Both can play together as long as speed is built around them. Shaw and someone like Cuadrado would supply speed out wide. Di Maria and Herrera would supply speed from midfield. Yesterday we played Di Maria LM, Mata RM, Young LWB, Valencia RWB and Rooney and RvP upfront. I would swap Rooney for Mata and play Wilson/Welbeck alongside RvP. Swap Young for Shaw and Valencia for Cuadrado and we would be rapid. I'll post it on the teams page. I think it would work well.

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Play di maria in matas 10 role with herrera and blind as the other cms

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31 Aug 2014 16:53:40
disagree 100% Syd, he needs to stay up top but if he does he is a far better striker. His control and passing are a disgrace 99% of the time but his finishing is top drawer. It is up to LVG to make him stay in position and with Blind, DiMaria, Herrera etc he has no need to drop deep.

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Jred, that could work very well, but I am a little gutted we never went for Cuadrado to replace Valencia. I think in terms of speed we would be okay then.

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31 Aug 2014 13:52:43
Kags back to Dortmund for 8mil. Sad that it never worked out but definitely the right move for him, he can't play anywhere except at 10 and that doesn't work for us

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Terrible business from our point of view - especially when we're paying £14m for Blind. At £8m Kagawa is far and away the best bit of business done by any club this window.

With Mata picking up a hamstring injury yesterday we could actually use Kagawa right now too.

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R7, good chance to see Rooney return to a deeper position and I have no doubt that if he does we will perform better.

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SAF night and then rarely played him. However, when did did play he never took his chance. Great potential but just didn't deliver on the pitch

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31 Aug 2014 13:27:08
If Lvg sells Adnan as some are reporting on here I would be p. d off, we buy a world class player and then sell one of our best players.

To be fair even if it aas for swapping with Vidal I still wouldn't wouldn't get rid of Januzaj even if it comes to taking Vidal and you guys know how much I wanted Vidal to come.

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It would be an awful decision to sell januzaj.
Some reports him and lvg have had a bust up which I hope aren't true.

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Same here Jred, I really hope this isn't true as Januzaj would be wicked for us in a few years unless we are selling him in the hope of getting a bigger fish and I don't mean Vidal.

The only way i'd sell Januzaj and that's with replacing with Reus which wouldn't happen.

On a side note with kagwa going to Dortmund do we still have an interest in Hummels or that has fully disappeared.

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Janazuj won't be going no where.

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31 Aug 2014 14:18:57
Sounds like more media mischief

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I'd let him go for the right price - especially if it meant finally signing a top midfielder with the money.

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31 Aug 2014 14:54:34
I would swap him for varatti in a heartbeat
Adnan is hugely overrated IMO, varatti is the only player around that can do what scholes did, I can't believe he has not moved outta PSG

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Giggs rates him very very highly, I don't see him moving tbh

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Giggs also rated Rio very highly.

I don't see Janujaz getting too many games with Mata, Rooney, ADM in the team. I'd prefer to get rid of Mata & Rooney but that isn't going to happen so best to move Janujaz on if he isn't going to start, shame for the lad as he is better than those two already.

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There's a difference between rating a 19 year old prospect highly and holding one of the most recognisable defenders in the world highly who just turned what? 35?

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31 Aug 2014 13:21:07
De Jong would be a good short term buy and along with Blind would give the more gifted players in the squad a solid platform to work from.The January window will provide the manager with the player he craves in this department, Kevin Strootman, provided he proves his fitness.

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I don't know why people keep saying De Jong is a short term solution. He is only 29 and probably has three good seasons in him. Is LVG a short-term manager on the basis that he will likely retire after three seasons (assuming he's not sacked before then)?

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31 Aug 2014 13:05:57
This isn't MOTD fever or anything, but if we are struggling to get some of our top targets for CM, wouldn't Morgan Schneiderlin be a good shout? He didn't seem too confident he was staying at Southampton when interviewed yesterday, knows the Prem and seeing as we have already dealt with them over Shaw, maybe negotiations could be done in a quick fashion. I've watched a lot of Southampton over the past 3 seasons and I've always liked the look of him, he seems to he has all the qualities of a modern day CM and think it would be foolish of us if we didn't at least consider him, if we can't get the likes of Vidal/ Carvalho etc. Doubt he would cost much more than 20mil, so what do you guys think? I'd prefer him to someone like De Jong

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Schneiderlin is in a huff because he apparantly wanted to be sold only to be told he won't be, this after seeing lots of his team mates go to other clubs. Good shout but not for sale.

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I feel a little sorry for everybody. It seems Southampton have let everybody go but him!

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31 Aug 2014 12:54:38
A few quick thoughts on tom cleverley.

A couple of years ago he looked a good player. He turned the community shield game against city. He looked great alongside Anderson in the 8-2 demolition of Arsenal.

Then came Bolton and Kevin Davies cowardly tackle. We rushed him back for the Everton game and clearly unfit picked up another injury.

Since then he hasn't looked the same player. Ramsey had a mental block for 12 months after the Shawcross tackle and I think something similar has happened here.

Coupled with 2 years of fans abuse it has shredded the lads confidence.

I think he needs a fresh start. We all want to see academy players do well but for the sake of his career he needs to move on. Villa would be the right move, lower expectations, a midfield 3 which suits his game.

I say thanks and good luck.

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I say don't slam the door on your way out. oh, and take Anderson with you.

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Classy Herbie, classy

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Thankyou sweetpea.

;-)

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31 Aug 2014 12:48:10
Eds apologies, but is there anything new on Danny welbeck? Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing new.}

31 Aug 2014 12:45:43
Just wanted to say, good luck to all the Ed's for the next few days! I'm sure you're going to get absolutely hounded and asked the same question about a 100 times in a 100 different ways! I think it goes from everyone who uses these forums, thanks for everything and your patience, it's really appreciated.

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31 Aug 2014 12:41:57
As said further down the page we are in transition and are a couple of years behind where we should be.

Ferguson neglected midfield for so long whilst buying a succession of average wingers and allowing the likes of Rio and evra to age without replacing them. Well they finally departed this summer, probably 12 months later than they should have. Ferguson left us with too many old or average players as towards the end he was too close to some players and lost interest deciding to leave it to the next manager.

Unfortunately the next manager was moyes who changed the whole backroom staff whilst selling noone and bringing in two players, one of whom is not a united player and the other was signed at the wrong time. We wasted a season, a vital season in which a lot of the transition could and should have done.

Now we have a manager who knows how to do a rebuild. He has the cv and the reputation. He has the balls. He's now trying to clear out those not up to it and bring in what he feels we need.

Its going to be painful, but we need radical surgery after messing up the chance for easy treatment. The doctor is in the house.

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31 Aug 2014 11:26:28
"Daley will play in the first team in the centre of midfield. Then it's up to him if he stays there, " agent Rob Jansen declared on Saturday, suggesting the coach has told the player he will slot into the starting XI in the centre of the park immediately.

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I imagine he will replace Fletcher in the side who played defensive midfield yesterday. We actually do not have any other defensive midfielders, unless one is signed tomorrow.

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31 Aug 2014 12:14:39
I think Blind will be our best singing and future captain.

Seems like a great pro, very technical, intelligent player and seems to stay injury free.

Saying that now I'll probably jinx him!

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Our squad desperately needs injury-free players. Our lot seem to have a niggle every now and then. And, the team rhythm breaks up, their form breaks up, tactics keep changing and nothing progresses.
Haven't seen much of Blind but from what I hear, he will be our go-to-man in the midfield and defense. No team will not want a utility player like him.

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I mentioned yesterday I think lvg may go to his favoured 4-3-3 soon (4-2-3-1 is sort of the same thing too) blind as his defensive anchor and then Herrera and di Maria as the other 2 midfielders

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Yesterday's formation with Blind replacing Fletcher. As it stands, I cannot see him changing formation. He's had plenty of opportunities to do it but hasn't.

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31 Aug 2014 11:09:50
I would really prefer De Jong over Vidal at this point of time, PL experience and 'a Van Gaal player' without any injury concerns. Vidal deal seems pretty much off anyways. But, some links popping up here and there trying to heighten hope, probably coming from desperate media guys who ran this story all summer.
A complete new midfield of Herrera, De Jong and Blind would be awesome. And boy do I wish Anderson could click for us. Well, there's hoping.
This has been such an amazing transfer window though. Credits to Woodward!

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Dejong is like an old beat up oldsmobile compared to a Ferrari mate. Vidal is the best box to box midfielder around, he gives you everything.

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31 Aug 2014 12:23:01
But if the gear box on your shiny Ferrari goes pop shahram your left with an expensive bill and need a hire car. De jong might only be a golf but golfs are reliable and get you from a to b.

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Yea. Vidal is like a cruise liner but could it be the Titanic! And is there really a chance that he is coming? That's my concern.
De Jong is just a short-term fix, I get it. But he has the experience to ruffle some feathers in the middle. He will roar under Van Gaal for one last time. That's what United need at the moment. If we get Vidal, and he shows up fit all the time, no one is going to complain. It could make a dream midfield : Vidal, Herrera and Blind. But, that's just wishing. We need to be real, mate.
cheers!

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I would swap every player we have signed this window if we had just brought in Vidal. He is that good and that crucial to our midfield if we are to compete at the top level any time soon. He will open up so much space for our players to operate, provide cover and much needed energy up and down.

There were two must buys this window. Vidal and a CB like Hummels.

Obviously the other 4-5 could turn out great but Vidal & Hummels would have taken us to that next level now.

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Beast

Totally agree with you

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31 Aug 2014 11:04:33
ED
Are UTD looking at bringing anyone in on loan or just straight money transfers.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea Herbie.}

31 Aug 2014 11:00:55
Anyone else a little concerned that there still seems to be a big hole in the defence? Worse than that is the fact that all the players being linked are midfielders and, although I'd still like Vidal or Carvalho, reports say that Blind will play there. Does anyone else see a deadline day move for Vlaar or is there anyone else that could realistically be signed by the deadline? Running out of time now.

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31 Aug 2014 10:01:11
{Ed033's Note - New manchester United blog was posted by The Beast entitled, Give Louis van gaal until christmas 2015

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31 Aug 2014 11:48:36
Agree with a lot of that post but one thing that gets me is you mention playing Fellaini AM instead of Mata and later say Mata can't play there as he isn't mobile enough, compared to Fellaini Mata may as well be Messi.

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Avid - Mata if not on the ball is not problematic, he is easy to pick up and isn't an outlet. Fellaini just standing there poses more of a threat because of the players that get space on our side with him being there. So it isn't Fellaini being mobile, it's Fellaini being a problem, I agree Fellaini is nowhere near good enough for a top class Utd team and isn't mobile enough, he is a better short term fix than Mata is.

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31 Aug 2014 10:17:40
A long time follower of this website and used to post sometime back, notably when one mr kloot used to be a regular here!Great website and thanks eds for creating a platform where all united fans can share their views.

Have been looking forward to enjoying a good entertaining season for our beloved team, which so far hasn't happened but it's still early days yet and I do believe that we are moving in the right direction.One really good central midfielder this window and I would be absolutely thrilled with this transfer window.

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Basav, welcome to the page.

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31 Aug 2014 09:02:02
Hi, question for the Eds, I think you confirmed that we are still pursuing a CM. However I would hope that we are still pursuing an experienced centre half. Can anyone confirm this? In my (humble) opinion, I think, within the current system, that that is as important, if not more, than a CM right now. Any thoughts or possible targets that haven't been mentioned already?

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{Ed002's Note - I can tell you where I know of interest otherwise I can only speculate.}

31 Aug 2014 07:46:36
Hi Eds

Now that we have agreed a deal for Blind can you tell me if we are targeting any more defenders?

Thanks

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31 Aug 2014 04:45:31
Ed002 can you please say whether we are interested in Vidal, Carvalho or any other mid?
I am asking this because just felt frustrated by today's match.
Thanks

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31 Aug 2014 04:45:10
Ed002, could I ask if you believe we will sign (or attempt to) anybody else after blind? Also would it be safe to say vidal looks unlikely now?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, Manchester United are still trying to conduct business.}

31 Aug 2014 04:44:33
Good evening Ed002

Do u believe united will be looking to any further business in this transfer window after blind, or can we sit and relax for the rest of the window!

Thanks for all your info this past few months, and hope you have your well earned rest soon!

Steve

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, Manchester United are still trying to conduct business.}

31 Aug 2014 09:19:40
With rumours of rvp needing knee surgery and rooneys poor form I really hope Wilson gets a chance to start a few games, we could really use his pace up front

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Would love to see Wilson get a chance, when he gets stronger he will be a beast.

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Sydney

Agree I saw Wilson score a goal, I think it was in the U21 v City and it made me sit up because there was an element of the Brazilian Ronaldo about it. Many have potential at that age but don't go on, yet Wilson is growing in stature all the time. let's hope his development continues

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We shouldn't hold him back. I think he could be a breath of fresh air this season if given the opportunity.

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31 Aug 2014 09:14:02
Rumours gathering pace that rene is returning. Would be great for the players and a bit of continuity.

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Meulensteen would be a great addition but if true I wonder where LvG feels our present coaching set up is lacking? Giggs perhaps?

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31 Aug 2014 09:41:40
How would it be continuity , he's been gone for over a year

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31 Aug 2014 11:17:22
@Bilko continuity with the ferguson era

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By the looks of things the team will be an entirely different on than that which was coached by Rene - so I'm not sure it's down to consistency. Did it ever occur to people that he's just a very good coach?

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Redman, to be honest, I don't know what Giggs does these days? He seems to sit there looking totally bemused.
I think René would be a superb addition if we can get him back.
One thing about lvg, I've been disappointed by his lack of advice from the touchline. It seems that they just sit there and scribble on their notepads!

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31 Aug 2014 15:24:13
I think it's called watching and learning.

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31 Aug 2014 08:36:19
A Lot has been said about system, LvG, our broken squad etc but the most disappointing thing yesterday was last 10 mins of the game where none of our players showed any real urgency to get the ball forward for a winner. Pretty much unlike The Manchester United attitude.

SH

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I think we need to wait for the window to close, wait until all the new signings are playing together and have had time to settle in and gel, then see how we get on. This is a transition guys. usually we have smooth transitions, more like evolution as opposed to a revolution. There is a huge transition happening and it's trying to be done in a short space of time, the club have trusted LvG with this project and will not cut his time short or it will defeat the purpose. He is being trusted with building a new squad and it will take at least two seasons. Patience is needed here.

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Agree, the transition should have started 12 months ago but didn't, now LvG is trying to turn around things as much as possible and as quickly as possible. It isn't and won't be pretty to begin with but needs doing.

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No manager could turn this around in a matter of weeks, the damage was done last season. It's a bigger job now simply because the confidence is no longer there.

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Red Man, the transition did start a year ago but with the jump from David Moyes the club have had to go in a different direction completely. As I have stated previously if DM was still in charge I feel we would be higher up the table, had most of our business done by now and players like Carvallho would be in plus players would have left. Unfortunately Log was late starting, felt the need to assess the squad and it is taking time to get new players in. also the new system takes time to get used to. and needs the right players.
The next game will tell us a lot, .post the window and a clear week due to the international break.

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I remember 2 years ago people on here saying we were in transition then, bit drawn out but we are getting there.
lol

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31 Aug 2014 08:35:37
So how does everyone feel regarding how good this transfer window has been for us? Personally if on the last day of last season someone had said you're signing Shaw (potential one of the best lb's in the world) Di Maria (truly world class) Herrera (finally a good addition in central midfield) Rojo (Strong, athletic nod versatile defender) and Blind (Versatile squad player who can cover 2 of our biggest problem areas well) and still have 2 days left in the window is have been very happy with that.

Obviously we all want a Vidal or Carvalho for midfield and a Hummels or Benatia at centre back but as the Ed has stated it's going to be a rebuild over 3 windows and I feel a significant part of it has been done this summer. Now some of the fringe players need to be moved on before the window closes. Hernandez, Cleverley and Anderson would be most likely in my opinion but there could clearly be others too.

I'd also like to get this in early, thanks to all the ed's on this site and wish them good luck for the next couple of days. I've read the site for a few years now and have seen how busy it gets around the transfer deadline and also how the site has grown. You guys to a great job.

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31 Aug 2014 08:02:15
So with less than 40 hours to go the majority of us still feel we have holes to fill. Fingers crossed these are addressed and in a better fashion than last year. So as I see it still outstanding after blind is:
Cm - still need a strong influence in the middle, fletcher can't cover the ground and certainly not all season. Options are.Vidal/Carvallho/de Jong/Strootman. Each give different options to the team but whilst I would like Vidal I think it maybe De Jong with Strootman coming next year.
RWB Right Wing- I think we currently lack pace without Shaw/Rafael so a quick winger would add a dimension and free up Mata. options are Cuadrado/Depay/Ben Arfa/.clutching at straws here as not sure other than Cuadrado who we could now get. Let's hope this has been quiet with Woodward working under the radar.not positive though.
CD - we still need a strong.influence at the back, Benatia has gone so we may need to look at some lesser lights
Options are Hummels/Vlaar/Miranda. iam sure we are after Hummels With kagawa possibly gpingbthe other way but morevlikely is vlaar if we stick to 3 at the back.not inspiring but would do a job.
So hold tight, I think itvwill get interesting. outgoings on loan and sale as much as buys.

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I think De Jong could be the next one in, it makes sense to me as we need that bit of steel in there.
Vidal is out of the equation IMO.
Carvalho would maybe cost a little too much considering what we have spent already.
De Jong would be a cheaper alternative and a good buy until LVG knows what's going on with Strootman's injury.
Still think were a little light in the RB position though.

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Wouldn't mind going back in for Miranda or Godin

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I think you are right Herbie. and if that is the plan would not question it. I like Strootman a lot. if he gets back to his best.
Any CD will do for.me, the current crop are better as a 2.if we stay a 3 we need a strong presence in the middle of them.

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31 Aug 2014 06:43:39
After the disappointing result from yesterdays game I was as down as everybody else on here.Having slept on it I'm more positive.

WE ARE TWO GAMES UNBEATEN

so once our injured players come back into the team also with blind and ahem vidal ;) manchester united will strike fear into the opposition to make contenders once again.

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For that matter we are only 4 points off a Champions League spot. Happy days!

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Its early yet there's a lot of games to play yet and being on top as Liverpool found out last year is harder than being second like Man City

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LVG has constantly said he needs 10 weeks so let's see where we are then.allows for future buys in Jan as well. I just hope we are Not too far behind. but does show how quickly the bubble and positivity can burst!

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31 Aug 2014 06:02:05
I'm sorry for sounding too negative in my previous post. I would love for Evans to make the grade. He has always performed better than Rio and Smalling in the past seasons. But he gets bullied very easily and makes wrong passes. And yes, the low confidence of the team doesn't help him at all being a defender, the position is itself very vulnerable and noticeable compared to forwards who have luxury upfront.
I forgot he was coming back from injury though. That must have played the part.
Well, nothing like being behind the team 100% in its troubles.
So, hoping new signings and healed injuries make our troubles go away.
#BELIEVE

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31 Aug 2014 04:46:42
Just over two days of the window left and a few journalists saying that Blind will be the last signing. I don't think this will be the case. I suspect the club are covering their tracks just in case we don't manage to sign Vidal/Carvalho. Coupled with from what Ed002 has told us, I would like to think that we will be bidding for one of them.

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31 Aug 2014 01:01:05
From watching every minute under LvG I must say that my underlying issue has been the predictability of our change of tact. Both offensively and defensively.

I remember listening to an interview with LvG prior to him joining the club and he used the words total football and suggested that whilst 4-3-3 was his favoured formation as such, it was much more to do with the philosophy and much deeper than a simple set of numbers representing a formation.

However, defensively I find that we defend in 3 lines, which is not an issue, but I honestly feel that we don't press high enough, thus allowing the opposition to comfortably have the ball in their own half and pick out a pass forward when it's finally on. The great Barca team of the late noughties for example pressed the ball as high as possible as a unit and won the ball back quickly. I remember er an interview with Xavi which suggested that they made every effort to win the ball back within 5 seconds of surrendering possession. This in turn leads to chaos when they do win the ball back as they were often in the final third with the opposition shapeless and allowing the forward players areas to exploit.

My next point is one which LvG has also made during his stint. Adapting to suit and allowing the best players to play in their best positions. Surely that means Di Maria playing a more advanced role where he can really hurt the opposition. I believe Mata is playing too advanced this becoming starved of time and space. All of his best moments in a United shirt have come from playing a deeper playmaker role and arriving into the box late rather than already being there pre key pass/cross. It especially doesn't help with too eye tenderture to drop slightly deeper than the last man himself.

I am not in any way criticising LvG, as he's made it perfectly clear these things take time, on top of unfortunate injuries to key players and lack of fitness to others and indeed confidence. I just wanted to make a couple of remarks to areas I see as a potential area to be improved upon and take advantage of. I am looking forward to the new boys being fit and available and I honestly believe LvG will get it right as we progress.

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31 Aug 2014 08:19:52
The current formation just is not giving us the width we need to pull the opposition cm and full backs out of position to make room in the centre. A good winger or winger/full back combination will force to oppotion to cover the flanks with an extra man. Every team in the PL knows that young and Valencia pose little threat of going past their man and can be easily cover by their full backs whilst keeping a good formation.
Unless we play Di_Maria and Janauzj every game we need full backs in the line up. For a long time now its been Rafael and Evra that have made Valencia and young look even remotly good with the extra width and support on the overlap they gave.

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By too eye I meant Rooney* autocorrect strikes again

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I would love to see janujaz mata and di maria behind wellbeck , fast direct players mixed with class (cept wellbeck but he brings the pace ) I love rvp and rooney but they look to be on the slide , rvp esp .(I think Wilson could also do the wellbeck role for a few games ) Add herrera and blind behind this and a back four of shaw rojo jones an rafeal and give it time to gel and we will reap the rewards in the later part of the season , never going to happen of course but lvg has always stated that young players pick up his 'phil of the sea' quicker

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31 Aug 2014 00:44:38
I just want to keep it simple. Our football has been hard to watch this season and is not creative enough. I watch us and I am unsure where the problem exactly is ie defence/ midfield/wingbacks. I see criticise Mata but what is he meant to do when we are hoofing balls long. Blind, rojo, di maria, Shaw and Herrera will I'm sure improve us but is it enough. I worry if we do not have that midfield General that can do everything and carry/link the team then we will not make top 4. The defence looks dodgy and is that the formation or the personell . I think we need two more players before end of window. A box to box midfielder whether it be vidal, guarin, Carvalho, strootman, or even de jong to shield the defence. Centre half is a must as we do not have a man to command and lead the defence. With little time remaining in the window and no champions league to offer I think we should go for vlaar. He would not be expensive and he knows the premier league and lvg. He is a leader and could hold our defence together. He is also used to the english game so would not need time to settle. He also stops a lot of danger at the back because he is brave and good in the air. He would make us solid. If we don't bring in two of these type players it could be another year out of champions league.

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30 Aug 2014 21:28:08
Hearing whispers that blind is going to be our last signing in this window, if any of the eds are around could they give any info on this thanks much appreciated.

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Seems to be a common theme on here at the moment that saying, " BEEN HEARING WHISPERS " what exactly do we take from this comment, whos whispering it?

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People who've been hearing whispers generally have large ears.

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30 Aug 2014 19:27:28
Hi guys,

I started a blog last easter but neglected it a little.

anyway, I've just started writing in it again and I've posted a piece detailing my opinions of our summer transfer window.

If you guys want to give it a read, maybe leave a comment or whatever then that'll be great!

unitedwestand58.blogspot.co.uk/?view=sidebar

Have a great weekend guys!

Oh, and I'll be writing another blog soon about the tactical side of Manchester United. Looking at how we play, how we perhaps should play and what would be the best options for Van Gaal.

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30 Aug 2014 23:56:34
Today was more evidence of how RVP is a rich man's Chicharito. Absolutely invisible in any aspect of the match except for finishing. Rooney didn't play well, but at least he does more than stand up front and wait for others to create chances.

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Rvp Is not fit that was plain to see he will be fine in a couple of weeks best striker in Pl

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Out of the 3 attackers I thought Rooney was worst, thou no one did good, mata should of scored didn't help midfield enough, RVP didn't seem match Sharpe to me, and Rooney has been awful since he was made captain

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Hes not 100% fit and the team aren't firing yet, you can't expect a great deal to be fair. when he's on form though you could fire a ball into him at any height or at any pace and he will kill it stone dead, he also has a wand of a left foot and will guarentee you 20 to 30 goals a season if he stays fit, I don't expect anything else from my striker to be honest so I don't know what you would like from him. come back into his own half maybe and spray a few 50 yard balls to our wasteful wingers to make it look like he's affecting the game a bit more?

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Wow, KG did we watch the same game? I saw RvP create and almost score a top notch goal. Had one cleared off the line. I thought even though Rooney fluffed a good chance with his head, his all round game was decent yesterday, better than RvP's all round play. Still a few cobwebs to shift, RvP still not 100% and rumoured to need an operation. This could see Welbeck stay put.

I do wonder if we may use Adnan to get Vidal. I hope not, but Juventus would be willing and it seems wingers are not going to be used anytime soon. Cuadrado and Vidal in, Adnan out? Would be horrible seeing Adnan leave mind.

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This wasn't a reaction to today's match but a longstanding issue I've had with the love affair posters have with rvp and the hate they have for Rooney. I said Rooney was poor today, but atleast he moves around the pitch and contributes in build up play. Rvp was on the receiving end of a di maria beauty but he never helps build an attack. He's more one dimensional than most people care to admit and that's why I compare him to chicharito, bc he scores goals but doesn't create them. Rooney does both.

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"I said Rooney was poor today, but atleast he moves around the pitch and contributes in build up play."

This is why RvP is a top class striker and Rooney is a top class 2nd striker. RvP should stay in attack at all times, Rooney IMO should play deeper so he can run around like he does.

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30 Aug 2014 23:55:52
Might be clutching at straws slightly but Vidal seemed to be overly waving at the fans when he was subbed off tonight, goodbyes maybe? Hopefully anyway!

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Haha, got to cling on to something buddy even if its just blind hope I suppose :-)

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30 Aug 2014 23:47:13
Horrendous start to the season obviously. Probably made worse because of what happened pre season and the optimism that brought. But things will undoubtedly get better. He is the right man to get us through this. We have 4 of our new signings to come in as well as Carrick and Rafael. This formation could suit those 2 down to the ground. Even if we sign nobody else I predict 4th. We have too much talent not to click and gain confidence at some stage.

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I like your optimism

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30 Aug 2014 23:29:26
Where do people think we will finish this season, I said 4th at the start of the season and i'm sticking with it .
But on a different note if moyes had of had a fully fit rvp as well as di maria, herrera shaw and rojo where do you think we would of finished .
I think 4 maybe 3rd

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Kred do you prefer moyes to LVG? and if LVG was still in charge we would of signed totally different people, prob better defender then rojo, and don't think di maria would of come with moyes in charge

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I think we will finish in the top four.

Believe it or not, but I actually think the manager is assembling an excellent squad of players. There are so many things we can do we the players we now have at the club; and the manager will undoubtedly utalise those options.

Having so many players injured or unavailable has hampered our start; but we have a lot of top players to come back; and once back, I am certain we will see better performances. There is just to much quality in the squad now for it not to work.

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Reddevil
Im unsure, I don't think lvg is quite the genius some would like to think .
Im far from convinced moyes was the right man for the job but I do think he should of been given more time.
Truth is i'm not sure either are right for the job but I hope lvg gets time to prove he is.

Moyes got sacked for not getting 4th place now with no CL and if rvp stays fit and a 150 mill spend what should lvg target be .

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31 Aug 2014 00:47:44
I stuck us at 4th in AJH's little compo, with Chelsea to win. Not seen anything to change my mind with either picks.

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LvG has been given the job of completing the transition. The transition will take two seasons to complete. So unless he loses the dressing room, he will most probably get at least two seasons. Moyes rightly or wrongly lost the dressing room so his job was inevitably going to fail.

RD69, we would have signed Savic if Moyes was still in charge. Is he better than Rojo? Hard to say, but let's revisit this in a year's time and ask the question then.

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Sydney

We would have signed Kroos as well if moyes was in charge. Herrera and shaw are his signings and I would believe we would have had a pretty darn good defender/s signed by now because if he was good at one thing it was finding great defenders.

I am with Jred, I think he went about his business thinking he would be given time and underestimated the clubs itchy fingers if things don't go to plan.

I also think LVG is dreaming if he thinks he is going to be fine come christmas and we are adrift 10 points from CL qualification and completely out of the league picture.

With bad results we will get more players discontent and dissent and he will not be able to boot everyone out that disagrees with him.

I hear Janusaj has had a fallout with him, which is not good if true and he should start ahead of young and valencia anyway of the week for me and would find it hard to believe many would argue against it.

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Rumours he would of sold rvp and got cavaini and had kroos and fab lined up .
I guess we will never know.
lvg has spent 150 mill and may spend more.
he his trying to move on welbeck clevs etc players that some have tried to big up.

i think people are starting to see that this "title winning " team maybe wasnt as good as they thought .
it might even not of been all moyes fault.
On a slightly different note Fabergas is looking like the singing of the summer t

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Shahram, when RM came in for Kroos his mind was made-up. He wanted the RM move. Do you not think he would have chosen RM had Moyes been manager? Herrera interest predated Moyes. It was actually SAF in charge when our interest began in him.

I would be very surprised if LvG isn't given at least two seasons. It would be pretty dumb for MU to let a manager spend a fortune on his targets and then sack him. They clearly chose LvG to see through this rebuild and I think he will see it through.

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Syd
they gave moyes money to spend and sacked him was that pretty dumb?
Mata fellaini then look at the deals they couldn't get done .
your argument about lvg getting 2 years the the exact same as mine for moyes last year .

i was convinced united would give a new manager a chance to rebuild and that it would take 2 year .
look how that turned out pal

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"Rumours he would of sold rvp and got cavaini"

I for one never seen a single rumour in the papers or online that this was going to happen. Cavani rumours yes, but nothing about selling RvP. I think you invented that bit Jred.

Again, no one on here said it was "all moyes fault", but Moyes certainly wasn't the right man for the job and the club rectified that mistake by sacking him and replacing him.

MU needed a more high profile manager to replace SAF. A manager which would gain instant respect and keep the player's winning mentality going, a manager who is a winner.

The damage was done last season and we are still paying for it now. So Moyes fault? No! Clubs fault? Hell yes. You cannot blame Moyes for wanting the job even if he was a poor choice.

But you can blame the club for making a poor choice and they have sorted that problem by sacking him. They have chosen LvG to build a squad and they will give him time I'm sure.

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Syd
Have a look at the stories today, the ones about his knee operation
"Moyes planned to offload Van Persie in the summer, using him as bait in his bid to sign Edinson Cavani from Paris Saint-Germain."

Thats from the paper that broke the story that rvp could need an operation.
There are a number of media outlets running the same story.

DO yo still think I invented it?

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Syd
Also the ed said last season that moyes had been given the job of rebuilding the squad over 2 years .
Look how that turned out . Its a result business and united have shown that last year.
Its how all top clubs works .

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And how did those two Moyes' signings work out Jred :)

Wrong man for the job, that became obvious very early on.

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Syd
We will never know, as I have said I never thought moyes was the right man for the job but I 100% think that he should of been given more time to prove himself . This summer to move players out he didn't want and get the players in he did want.(if Ew could )
I would of given him to xmas of this year .
I would give lvg the same amount of time

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Syd

By many accounts LVG was not interested in either Kroos or Fabregas. At least Moyes was and we will never know how that would have turned out.

I am inclined to believe we would have had Fabregas over Chelsea given the financial outlay we are witnessing.

I am not here to argue for one manager against the other but find the arguments supporting the current manager and thinking it is ok to watch United sink down to a midtable team under the banner of a rebuild and dismissing the last one for not getting top 4 really biased and a weak argument.

I do agree his CV is what is currently buying him some top but that works in 2 ways and you can hang yourself doing it too. I don't think he is immune and will get the sack if we miss top 4.

On current display this team looks miles worse than last year and surely we must transition things in a simpler and more reasonable way.

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Fair enough Jred, but none of us knew everything that was happening behind the scenes. If one or two good sources are to be believed, United were having their doubts over Moyes before Christmas. But that's just rumours. We will see what happens, but I do think this one is different, I think he will be given time that Moyes should or should never have got.

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I agree with all that.

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Shahram, we know via the editor that we wanted Kroos and then we wanted Cesc. They chose to go elsewhere. There were rumours (just rumours I know) that LvG phoned both Cesc and Kroos to ask them to join.

Whether we think Moyes should have stayed or been sacked is irrelevant anyway, the club sacked him. They deemed him not good enough. There wasn't many complaints when he was sacked either. Will LvG do a better job? We will see, but I think he will get more time.

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30 Aug 2014 23:15:20
Personally think Daley Blind will be a very good addition. He is already a good player and can improve. I think that he will be out CDM to sit and allow Herrera to play further forward. He liked to get stuck in, and has a very good passing range. I don't think we will target another CM this window as I'm convinced LvG will go in for Strootman in January. So until then at least I think Blind will be our holding midfielder. And despite what anyone says, he is considerably better than what we currently have .

I think by the time we have Shaw, Rojo, Blind, Hererra and a fit Di Maria and Rvp in the side again, we will improve

I personally would prefer we revert to a 4-3-3 with a back four of Shaw, Rojo, Jones and Rafael
Midfield of Blind, Hererra and Mata
Front 3 of Di Maria, RVP and Rooney ( althought I'd have a janazaj instead of Rooney )

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That's the formation I would prefer as well :)

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This is the system that I think Van Gaal wants to play. I can't see how he guys Rooney and RVP in though. I'd play Rooney wide left with di Maria on the right but Rooney isn't the traditional winger that LVG likes. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of Rooney/RVP sold at some stage in the next few windows to make way for an established winger.

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Everyone is saying where does Rooney fit in wide left for me in 2008 Tevez played wide right when he was a striker but he still scored a lot of goals because he never had to defend if we manged to dominate as we have done in all three games 4-3-3 works with Rooney Di Maria and Rvp

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