Manchester United Banter Archive December 31 2012

 

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31 Dec 2012 23:50:53
I can really see us snapping up a player like Roy keane over the January window in preparation for scholes and giggs retirements in the summer!

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I'm thinking Keane is possibly past his best...

AH

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Who exactly these days is Keane like?

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31 Dec 2012 23:30:42
Once Fabio is back, what if we switch Rafael with Fabio or vice versa during half time in case either one is having a bad day or an injury.... would they notice :) just kidding guys...

Happy New Year to everyone

AJ

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01 Jan 2013 05:54:00
Haha. Twin magic

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31 Dec 2012 23:10:45
Happy New Year everyone! Love the banter, love the slagging, love the jokes, love United.

More of the same next year please.

StevieK

ps good work Eds - much appreciated.

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31 Dec 2012 21:50:57
A happy New Year to all ( and I mean all) on the site - thanks for your company , thoughts , passion good luck in the New Year

All the best
Mike

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01 Jan 2013 05:57:54
Thanks Mike. I wonder why someone will disagree with a goodwill message. This aint banter its a happy new year message
PeeBoaiy

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31 Dec 2012 21:16:11
Happy new year to you all. Disappointing 2012 from a trophy perspective but we are set up very nicely for a great 2013. Lets stay behind the lads, keep up the banter and enjoy supporting the greatest football club in the world.

Eds, thanks for the great job you have done all year and keep it up. All the best.

GDS

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31 Dec 2012 20:31:32
does any one else feel that we need to buy another right back, i mean all the talk about we need a midfielder but rafael has been injured leaving smalling covering there and he isnt very convincing at all. when i hear newcastle are getting debuchy for around 6 million, why dont we match that bid and im sure he wouldrather join united over newcastle. In my opinion oneof the priorities is a right back {Ed004's Note - Not really jones is more than capable of playingn there. His brother Fabio could come back and cover there. Smalling, Valencia and to a lesser extent Fletcher can all play there as long as Vermjl in reserves}

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31 Dec 2012 22:03:00
rafael is the best right back in the league. Debuchy is an international right back. Both would expect to play and neither would be happy at being rotated. Jones is good enough cover for now. We could do with someone to cover but next season fabio can do this. Its not a desperate issue.

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Erm... No.

DodgyBanter

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31 Dec 2012 20:28:51
Off out for a drink or 20, happy new year all (even you DDG) hope you all have an enjoyable and safe one.

Special shout to cons... I'm sure your jockanese new year will be better than your London efforts.

Oh well off to disappoint the mrs when she asks for those three special words at midnight and I'll reply

'let's get naked!'

Jono

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31 Dec 2012 22:06:18
thought it was "you be cabaye"

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31 Dec 2012 20:04:13
Happy new year to all the posters and mainly the eds who keep this wonderful site running. T45

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31 Dec 2012 19:37:20
We don't need to buy a striker at all. We have Rvp, Rooney, welbeck, Hernandez and we can even play young there as he's proven for England! We need to focus on a central midfielder who will dominate the pitch.
Also, sell nani as he is the most selfish and has the worst decision making out of our players. From the money he'll give us, buy a young flair like isco or zaha

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31 Dec 2012 18:29:18
Happy New Year to all the regulars: .....lfc, puzzled, Blair Mayne (where's he got to?!), stoner, oh... and all the Eds & Man United fans. I've got a feeling in my waters that 2013 will be a cracking year for us :)

Keep the red flag flying high

DodgyBanter

New Years Resolution:
Try to calm down a bit and think before posting post match!! ;)

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Happy new year DodgyBanter - Blair is either in the slammer or he has been 'promoted' - work it out

Puzzled

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31 Dec 2012 19:24:19
I'm off out and i'm not coming back until next year, so i'll wish all the Ed's and posters a happy new year now. Have a good un. I'd also like to wish Sir Alex a happy 71st birthday.

Happy new year guys and girls.

Shappy

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31 Dec 2012 19:20:28
Off to a few house parties with a couple of bottles of jack daniels just thought I, d wish everyone a happy new year
Allthe best
Onecut

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31 Dec 2012 18:21:46
Puzzled me this
Puzzled me that
Who's getting bored
Of that Liverpool tw*t?

Happy New Year to everyone.

An Dun Red Devil

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I am positive that if we all ignore that lil Puzzzzzz....then he will get bored too. Don't make it feel important.

Bernidre

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Happy new year to you An Dun Red Devil

Puzzled

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Sláinte, Puzzled, Sláinte

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31 Dec 2012 18:12:58
Happy New Year to everyone, even our friends from the dark side - Stoner, Puzzled and Irish Rover. I have to say I have had a real chuckle this week at some of the posts, some top humour on show. It's great that there is only the occasional 'sharp' comment. Pop over to the other sites and see how not to do it. We may disagree but it's great to hear why people have different views and banter about it. I know sometimes it's difficult to justify my view - its just how I feel and I guess for others it's the same.

Anyhow, I'm off for a house crawl tonight - have a great one everybody including the ever patient Eds.

AJH

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Happy New Year fellow traveller!

StevieK

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31 Dec 2012 18:10:19
I have done my best to avoid this whole Cleverly debate due to it being utterly ridiculous.

PerthDave is the only person i have seen on here who actually can remember iniesta before he was the third best player in the world.

Iniesta was in the Barca first team for around 3-4 years before the consistency started to appear, and this was whilst being surrounded by teammates who had played together from their early teens.

Now i am not saying Cleverly is or will be as good as iniesta but I am saying that sometimes backing our youth actually pays off.

As for this whole 'BRAND' thing some people are spouting i feel you all should search the number of adverts ryan giggs appeared in whilst a young player in the 90s or maybe check out Becks and his hair gel ads. Even the ultimate example of a shy professional, Paul Scholes, has done a few. every player does it and the better players get more deals than others.

Thats it rant over.

Paso

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31 Dec 2012 18:03:06
personally i dont think we will be buying anybody in Jan.
As much as i would like baines and a cm i think it will be the summer before we make these signings.
We will have to win the league back with the players that we have.
Hope i am wrong though

will red

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31 Dec 2012 17:16:55
Complete rubbish no name. Cleverley is light years ahead of Butt on a technical level. Cleverley is still learning the game. He is similar to a young Iniesta.
PerthDave....................This has got to be the funniest comedy post of the year. Thank you Dave I can't remember laughing so much for a long time. I AM KLOOT

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If Cleverley ever came near Butt's level, I, for one, would be pleasantly surprised.

Mick

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Iniesta when he was 12 perhaps?

AJH (sorry Sydney, felt like too good an opportunity)

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Guys, I call it as I see it. I see a young player developing who is at a high level technically and has all the attributes to be a marvellous player. He also provides energy and intensity that seems to be lacking in many games he doesn't play in. He is not perfect though. He has made poor passes and is clearly not the finished article. I think the people who criticise him, are making comparisons with their ideal player, say a Keano in his prime. Give him a break, he's a young lad who is still integrating into the team. I think he's coming along really well and will develop into a fantastic player. I really can't understand the criticism. There are many players who deserve it more than him. I also think all this "brand" stuff is complete nonsense and just a distraction from the football. If SAF thinks there is a problem with his commercial deals, I'm sure he'll do what is necessary.
PerthDave

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Grandma if that makes you laugh so much you must have a very boring life indeed.

Have a Happy & Positive New Year 2013 !

Little Girl

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31 Dec 2012 17:13:04
Happy New Year to all the posters, including Puzzled and Stoner ; )

But most especially to all the Eds for their hard work in 2012! A busy transfer window period lies ahead so get some rest guys : )

I'm off out to get slowly tippled, hopefully just slow enough to make the fireworks at 12!

Enjoy your evenings

Gav {Ed004's Note - Happy New Years to all posters even Puzzled...}

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A happy new year to Gav and Ed004

Puzzled

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31 Dec 2012 17:10:31
As much as I and probably most United fans would like to see baines and a cm in january I dont think we will be buying anybody.
Will have to win the league with what we have got this year and then a couple of additions in the summer.
Hope I am wrong though

will red

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31 Dec 2012 17:03:44
"He is twice the player he was when he left us, and that is saying something. How can you say he is worth less? That is absurd." -SC93 (About Ronaldo)

Ok let me explain, lets say you have a toy car and you sell it to your friend for £5, this toy car becomes one of the best ever, it is used for 4 years and is getting older.

Your friend comes back to you 4 years later and says "Hey thanks for letting me use your toy car, im finished with it now would you like it back for £15. You look at the toy car and see it's getting scratched and looks like it can only last a few more years.

Would you buy it back?

I know this isn't the best of examples to use but I wouldn't want Manchester United to pay £60 million and two £15-20 million players for Cristiano Ronaldo, yes maybe one of the best ever but after 5 years you will notice he starts to slow down, may get injured a lot. Just look at Ronaldinho.

I would love Ronaldo to come back, but paying more for what we sold him for 4 years ago? No thanks.

-JakeW

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31 Dec 2012 16:44:32
We all know midfield is a problem right now, does anyone else think we should sign Shneydjer?

AJH

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HAHA, brilliant!

Thomas

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If people are going to suggest him will they please learn how to spell the mans name.

It is Schneijyder!

Paso

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That might be the most interesting sneijder spelling iv'e seen in a long time.

Anyhow, even though he's not needed, Sneijder could add some class to our team and that cant be bad. If his wage demands are reasonable, I think we should go for him. ( chnaider )

Mick

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Lets get this right.All this nonsense about £120 million is laughable.If he wanted to leave & come back to utd it would be £60 million tops.I'm praying he does wnat to come back but really can only see it as a bargaining chip to get higher wages at Madrid.Hope i'm wrong though.Just think how many shirts with his name on we'd sell
Blackpool Red

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31 Dec 2012 16:39:00
I can't say if it is true, but I think we have agreed a "deal in principle" with Crystal Palace for Wilfried Zaha. He will be loaned back to Palace for the rest of the season and will join us in the summer. I am not saying it will happen, just saying.
Watch this space.

MUFC19

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31 Dec 2012 15:57:39
Hey Puzzled, is your brain that puzzled? Or is the loserpool page that borong that you post your nonsense here? You say we are a one man team yet two of our defenders have outscored all your players bar the diver suarez. You say we are not good enough yet we 12 league trophies in 20 years. Need I say more? Dude get a life

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31 Dec 2012 15:42:02
im pretty sure arteta has one of the highest pass completions %

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31 Dec 2012 16:00:39
To the nameless post about arteta. So?? Of what relevance is that post to this page?
PeeBoaiy

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31 Dec 2012 14:55:25
lower down the page several of the posters are agonising over the timing of the sale of the player who was Wayne Rooney - Disney suggests perhaps that sale could fund the purchase of other players (Baines amongst them) - an obvious solution would be a swap with Everton for Baines- obviously you would have to come up with a few million as well. What say you?

Puzzled {Ed004's Note - That you're talking rubbish and your posts are getting boring now?}

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So you disagree Ed004?

Puzzled {Ed004's Note - Obviously}

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31 Dec 2012 15:09:50
puzzled for the price we could sell rooney for we could buy your whole squad and your dump of a ground as well

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How is this guy not in an asylum right now?
DJ

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Puzzled, very funny mate...but you do seem to spend more time on here than your on own site. I know you are all tearing strips off each other but even so...

AJH

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DJ - I think they let him use the computer in the day room, at the Liverpool home for the bewildered.

Mike

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Mike - I think I am making progress when some of you people over start to paraphrase me

Puzzled

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Hope you are making progress Puzzled.
What ever - good luck to your self and your folks in the New Year.

Mike

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31 Dec 2012 14:47:00
I'm sorry but £60 million + plus De Gea for Ronaldo would perhaps be the best deal we could ever hope to get. I rate De Gea and do believe that he will be a really top player, but we are talking about Ronaldo here and also about a Spaniard who may return 'home' once he gets to 'that' level. We could sign a top keeper from within the League like Mignolet or Krul or someone like Adler from Germany.

To me £60 million is very reasonable, I imagine that the price could go down even more if we gave them Nani...

The most interesting thing is is that Nani, De Gea & Ronaldo all have super agent Jorge Mendes so this si all do-able.

Fresh!

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If this is to happen, I would love to see Courtois replacing De Gea. The only problem is that guetting Chelsea to sell to us might be a bit difficult.

Mignolet might be a good option if he keeps on delivering quality performances.

Mick

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If it happens I want vorm to replace de gea

CAIN

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My ideal would be Adler, but I think Mignolet or Begovic would become the main targets.

Fresh!

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Ter Stegen would be my choice


Anon

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Krul total class act. I've been watching his progress since he was a loanee at Carlisle.

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31 Dec 2012 14:23:08
Ed do you know if it's true that Pep has agreed "preliminary" terms with City?

Dan {Ed002's Note - What are "preliminary" terms?}

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Reina?

Puzzled

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31 Dec 2012 13:59:13
FM2013 from my son. Just bought Baines, Isco, Vidal and Muniaian. Sold Rooney, Valencia and Anderson. Lets see if its as easy as real life :)

StevieK

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Rodriguez in and Young away to RM for £20m! I'd bite your hand off for that in real life.

Thought I'd give this a go just to see where some of the kids get their footballing knowledge :)

StevieK

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31 Dec 2012 15:19:32
as a game its entertaining. Its also handy for learning more on players. You get to see some of these players and the stats are fairly realistic. Its where a few of us first discovered powell.

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Any realism went straight out the window when RM paid me £20m for Young :)

StevieK

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31 Dec 2012 13:42:47
Ed 004 I would like to ask your opinion on the latest Ronaldo rumours would you pay 60 million Nani and de gea?
Cheers

Caolán. {Ed004's Note - I would probably go as far as saying 60 million and Nani. Wouldn't give De Gea as well}

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Do you think if we signed him there would be many more signings?

Caolán. {Ed004's Note - Very few signings and they would be cheap signiñgs IMO}

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Ronaldo is just using you to get a pay rise out of R/Madrid.

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31 Dec 2012 12:38:31
any lattest abt cr7

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Yeah, he int coming.

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31 Dec 2012 12:32:09
Massive United fan from Glasgow. Not posted on here before but I have posted on the Rangers page as I am a RFC fan and a season ticket holder at Ibrox.

Anyway, I went to OT for the West Brom game at the weekend, and it was awful. The first half hour we played fairly ok, but other than that we were terrible. It was painfully obvious how much we NEED a fit Rooney and how much RVP is our tallisman and game changer.

Also very apparent, was the fact that Chris Smalling is NOT a right back. He looks so awkward and always gets caught out of position.

Positives were Michael Carrick & Tom Cleverley who I felt looked decent as a pair at times, and a clean sheet is of course a positive.

SC93

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31 Dec 2012 12:22:53
Just watching 2012 greatest sporting year. I am sick to my teeth of watching that same clip over and over again. We need to win the league this year it is a must. AGUERO!!!!please man utd win!

Jay-c

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Don't forget balotelli 2, dzeko 2 and silva 1.

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31 Dec 2012 11:31:48
Interesting stat this:

Most passes attempted in 2012:

1.Andrea Pirlo: 3, 688.

2.MICHEAL CARRICK: 3, 261.

3.Xavi Hernandez: 3, 155

4.Cazorla: 2, 919.

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I don't believe that for 1 second.

Xavi in 1 CL game completed 177 passes out of 183 attempted v Celtic at home. I would think he is miles ahead at the top of the list not Pirlo.

Jono {Ed004's Note - Wasn't Xavi injured for a while though}

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It says "Attempted"

Simmo

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He may have been but not for long.

He played in 57 games for barca in the calendar year plus god knows how many for spain.

Last recorded stat I seen was his passing average was 105 a game standing at 30% more than Alonso who I would also expect to be far above Carrick.

Jono

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Simmo

Why difference does the word attempted make? The stats in the OP simply cannot be true. It's impossible!

Jono

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31 Dec 2012 11:16:35
We all know Cleverley is not the next Xavi but we do know he is a great player at United, if you lot just keep an eye on him when he plays you can see him running backwards and forwards for long while. He works his ass off to keep possession for the team, he always takes the ball from the defenders and slots it down to one of our wingers or strikers, he may not dominate but he does the industrial work behind the goals and assists.

He has also been out injured for a long time and therefore with age he will improve much more. If you haven't already noticed he attacks have increased each game and he has worked on his link up play.

Cleverley will stay at United for years to come as a Squad player or as a Starter either way he is one of our academy players and we should all give him the chance to play.

A lot of people moan and groan when Giggs or Scholes start but they moan about Cleverley too, please answer this for me then who would you prefer? a 37-39 year old or a 23 year old who offers much more to the team.

Back the team and back the players.

-JakeW

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Cleverly any day

Shahram

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31 Dec 2012 10:56:49
I hope you've got van Persie carefully wrapped up in cotton wool - if he gets injured you will be in one hell of a mess. One man team !!


Puzzled {Ed004's Note - So what happens when Suarez gets injured. You play the magnificent shelvey up top. How can he even be classed as football I have no idea. We will only have Rooney, Kagawa, Hernandez and Welbeck to fill in, how will we cope. I for one am puzzled but obviously not as much as some pool fans. Remember are old attack got us to joint top of the league with City so I think they can cope if Van Persie gets injured}

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'got you back to the top of the league' yes - but ONLY because the other top teams (and no I am not counting Liverpool) are misfiring.
The mention of Rooney was a joke, right? He is as good as on gardening leave if you ask me

Puzzled {Ed004's Note - He is still scoring and assisting goals. He would walk into that Liverpool side and on his day he can be a match for anyone to watch our match at the Etiihad for proof}

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We were a one man team when Ronaldo was here, then when he left we were a one man team with Rooney, when he got injured we were a one man team with Nani, now we are a one man team with RvP. Getting boring now.

Puzzled we are 21 points ahead of you half way into the season. You are 9th in the league and we are top by seven points. Try asking yourself where Liverpool would be without Suarez this season. Relegation battle methinks.

Sydney!

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Couldn't put it better than Ed4 and Syd......how many points did we finish ahead of you last year without RVP? That means our 'one man team' is still 30+ points better than your load of pap even without the 'one man' in it! Embarrassing for you I'm sure.

Puzzled; living up to his name as usual, and a little baulchy today because L'pool actually managed a win! (againsty the 2nd woerst team in the EPL granted).

You're so transparent.

Gav

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The only thing that really surprises me is that Rainfish reserves all his disdain for The Brand and seems to overlook the player that was Wayne Rooney

Puzzled {Ed004's Note - Trust me Kloot hasn't missed Rooney}

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Not sure whether I am a little 'baulchy' what the hell is that? I don't even think I am being a little bolshie

Puzzled

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Utd scored 48 g0als in the league so far rvp only scored 13 of them . do the maths puzzled hardly a one man team just face it weve got the best forward line in the league with rooney and kagawa to come back into form for your cup final at old trafford

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Johnny Evans would be lfc's second top scorer.

Caolán.

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City have far and away the best forward line in the division and Evans? I am staggered any premiership club has him in their starting line up

Puzzled

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Liverpool fan's second team 'Man City'.

Sydney!

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And while we are at it - it is good to see that at least one of your Brazilian wunderkinder has found his level at QPR

Puzzled

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Evans is better than any Liverpool defender an rvp has got more goals than the city front line.

Caolán.

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31 Dec 2012 14:44:16
Go away you clown. without our 1 man we beat you by how many points last season. look at our squad, league position and champs league draw and go and dream that you could have these things whilst you battle in mid table with shelvey henderson and downing in your team

will red

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31 Dec 2012 14:49:01
thats the same city forward line that most games this season has looked crap and all of them are trying to leave? That the same evans who's looked pretty good and miles ahead of agger-don't and skittle? That the same rafael who's been the best rightback in the league this season? Enjoy your fight for midtable obscurity and enjoy the transfer requests from rat face and butter hands reina in the summer. Don't worry though you have a midfield of henderson, lord voldemort, lucas the fake brazilian and the middlesbrough messi.

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How many goals have Citeh's "best in the league" front line scored? I think you'll find you are wrong Puzzled, as usual.

Liverpool will be deadly when they sign Sturrage, he's the new Carrol apparently

DodgyBanter

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A liverpool fan on the United page? I guess they must have won a game, let me see..........oh yes they beat the european giants that are QPR. Lol. You must be so proud.

Shappy

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Think Puzzled and lfc are one and the same, both talk rubbish.

A

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Puzzled you fighting a battle you won't win, Liverpool are having a crisis right now and you continue to talk about Manchester United?

Give us a break! Isn't our fault we are better than you.

-JakeW

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31 Dec 2012 10:31:45
happy birthday sir alex
and heres to many more
quie1989

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31 Dec 2012 10:29:46
this nani and de gea + 60m for ronaldo sounds good to me, shame there isn't any truth to it..

id sign begovic to replace de gea.

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De Gea and Nani together are both 15-20 million players.

This means we would be paying more for him than what we sold him for, pathetic move IMO.

Ronaldo should be cheaper than what we brought him for mainly because he is 28 now and he will start slow down in about 5 years, he isn't going to improve much more.

-JakeW

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Just read this...

"Ronaldo should be cheaper than what we brought him for mainly because he is 28 now and he will start slow down in about 5 years, he isn't going to improve much more."

Wow.

He has averaged ONE GOAL PER GAME in the 3 and a half seasons he has been gone. He is, in many people's eyes, the best footballer on the planet today and one of the best ever.

He is twice the player he was when he left us, and that is saying something. How can you say he is worth less? That is absurd.

I would personally go for that deal. Nani is far too inconsistent, flatters to deceive, and will never be a truly great player. De Gea has never convinced, he just doesn't look confident and I still wince every time he comes for a cross ball. That isn't a good sign, althought his shot stopping is fantastic.

SC93

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31 Dec 2012 10:19:57
A very Happy Birthday to Sir Alex.

The Greatest :)

Ports

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31 Dec 2012 09:39:38
Just a thought on Tom Cleverley...

Did we not go through these same things for a few years with Darren Fletcher?

In the his first couple of years people moaned and groaned whenever he played. But if you could have "the old Fletcher" right now, you'd all jump at the chance.

Some players take longer to develop, some don't ever develop, but Cleverley will continue to be given the chance to do so.

Bit of patience is in order IMO.

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Disagree with you and people who are slating Cleverley...

He is already producing now in his career and he will only improve later in his career. But IMO he is doing a fantastic job now alongside Carrick

RedKnight

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31 Dec 2012 09:12:13
He is not the heart and soul of the team as our current league and cl position has very little to do with his contribution.

Watch a few games from 3 or 4 years ago when we had ronaldo and tevez and see how much fitter he was. Since his big contract and us losing all our marquee players and the old guard not being what they were he is become lazy, he is overweight, overpaid and overhyped.

I assure you the day we can sell him for a lofty price and reinvest in a couple of great midfielders, this team will be miles better.

Shahram

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I have tried my best to refrain from commenting on your drivel for quite sometime, but i guess you wont just rest would you? If you want to check his contribution to where we are this season, check the stats. Well stats will give you the goals, assists, tackles etc but then again you will actually have to watch a match without your usual bias that you have against him. Since his big contract, he scored the maximum number of goals for an otherwise average squad devoid of its marquee players. He was carrying the team along and ohh yeah it was post his contract theatrics. I assure you that we can buy 2 world class midfielders without having to sell him. We simply look a different sqaud when he is playing. Wait how did he fare against the Council House? A couple of average games and you cant wait to sell him. Might as well hack Vidic away, i mean what has he been doing for the past season and a half? You know more than RVP dont you? When he says that with Rooney playing with him, it helps him a lot more. He is overpaid yes, why don't you lace your boots and give RVP company?

Deeps...

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Deeps

I knew eventually you could not resist and would come up with some shat and stats :) BTW disappointed you have not listed any stats, try Carricks stats and his contribution or RVP's or few other, all I see is Rooney is a ghost of a player he was 4 or 5 years ago.

Go buy yourself a rooney doll and crawl in bed with him and tell him how good he is.


Shahram

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Shahram has an overly pessimistic ( Klootesque ) view on Rooney but the fact remains tha 3 years ago Rooney was a better player.

I get that he gives his all on the pitch, I really do but that's just not da** good enough. He is one of the highest paid professionals in the world and cant keep his weight in check !

We do look a better team with Rooney playing, but that's more down to our lack of quality in the first 11.

Im not suggesting selling Rooney, at least not yet, but if his form and fitness continue dropping I think we have to consider damage control. The last thing we want s an overpaid, overhyped and overweight player in the squad.

But if Rooney picks up his form and fitness, we are certainly a better team with him in the starting 11.

Mick

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Sharham
once again your talking rubbish
rooneys had a few injuries this season and hasn't got going yet
last year in an average United team he scored 34 goals was top scorer in the league
he has also been our top goal since he signed his new contract
you really need to spend less time on fifa

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People seem to be missing the point here. Whether we like to admit it or not Rooney HAS lost his burst of pace that he once used to beat a player and drive into the box. He has always said that when that happens he would like to move to midfield. He did think it will be in his 30's, but perhaps at 27 that time has come early. He peaked very early and he has had a longer peak than most players in the game already, he has always struggled with his weight issues too so with two years left on his contract the club do have a decision or two to make. Do they offload him now while his price is still high, this makes more business sense, should we move him to midfield? Is he good enough? Or keep him playing in the hole until his valuation plummets and everyone else notices he has lost his edge? Personally I think his presence alone gives the team a boost and I would keep him and add to the squad, but if Rooney is not pulling his weight by keeping fit and not putting the team first then perhaps it would make good business sense to sell him while his price-tag is high? As much as people on here will like to bury their heads in the sand about this, the club will certainly be weighing up what to do and the decision will come before the manager retires. that you can guarantee.

Sydney!

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Shahram

Sorry to burst your little bubble, but even a Rooney doll would have more football knowledge than you. Is it the same bloke who was not aware that a midfielder can both be a deep lying playmaker and an attacking one? You know what you can harp on about your pessimistic views about Rooney and the team as much as you like, the fact remains the rubbish that you spout has absolutely no logic. Atleast Syd and AJH/Stevie have a point or two when they banter about Wayne. Do the windmills still attack you mate?

Mick

Agreed, he hasnt reached peak form this season. But by dismissing him completely and saying that he hasnt being turning up ever since his contract thing is just horse Sh!t. I agree with you, there will be a time where we will have ti assess and see. But till then we can atleast back the lad.

Syd

I understand your point of view and i know that the club has a big decision to take this summer. We will see what happens.

Deeps...

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It isn't a case of burying your head in the sand it's quite simple some people myself included still rate him.
this season he has had 3 injuries and illness and hasn't really got started , Rooney has always played better with a run of games but he hasn't been able to achieve that so far this season.
he scored 30 + goals last season his highest ever total more than lewandski tevez agureo and done this in what most people would accept is not the best United team team and playing lw rw and cm
even now people are given him a hard time yet his just hit 5 goals in 4 games

of course United have a decision to make but that's nothing new we had a decision to make with ferdy vidic etc and thankfully we made the football decision and not the business.
for me Rooney is still easily one of the best players in the league and a front 2 of Rooney and Rvp could I think be very special
for me United 9 Times out of 10 are a better team with Rooney in it , but fergy summed it up very well when talked of cows and fields some Times people don't appreciate what they have untill Its gone.
on this site it seems the knives are out but that's nothing new
jred

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No Name

If you want to have a discussion on things at least leave a name. It is easy to have an opinion and and go hide.

He is a player who peaked too early and has poor work ethic to keep himself fit to perform at the highest level.

I always respect people like Federer and other superstars and Wayne Rooney is a Superstar, Who actually put more in to stay competitive the older they get, through a diet and exercise/training routine.

In Rooney you have a player who got money and fame too early and does not have the professional work ethic of some of his peers and is not what he was. In a season of 45 games 10 good games for a player supposedly worth 50 million is not good enough and that is what you expect from a squad player worth 10 million.

You have guys like Vidal and Bender on less than 60k a week and you are telling me for half his wages we would not be a better club, having those guys in the team. Strootman on 30k a week etc etc

Add Lewandowski at 90 to 100k and for those 3 you can trade off Rooney and still think we are a better team with him than those guys.

Take a grow up pill and post your name next time,

This is not a personal thing and unlike Kloot I don't have anything against the guy and long before I started posting here, i had the same view on him.

He is 5 to 8 kg overweight and will get more and more injuries with his work ethic.

I think it is bad business to watch guys go off and their value drop when you can improve on what you have.

Shahram

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Shahram

Lets get some stats into it, shall we?

Wayne Rooney - 19 games 8 goals 10 assists

RVP -
24 games 17 goals 6 assists

Michael Carrick - 22 games 1 goal 4 assists

Tells a story does it? Well Carrick in here is not fair, but have a look at the other two.

Deeps...

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Jred, I still rate him. That doesn't change the fact that he has lost his burst of pace and he only has two years left on his contract. One way or another the club will need to make a decision on him and unless he has a Berbatov-like contract that we do not know about, that decision will come this summer.

Sydney!

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Deebs

Now Now Deebs, we must behave ourselves:)

How old are you Bubba? I think you need to go back and read the content of the conversation that was about what the team needed and a Playmaker. It was about Kagawa, who to me is not a playmaker, because he does not get enough touches and influences the midfield.

I look at playmakers like Pirlo and Xavi who dictate play, pace/tempo with lots of touches and distribution.

No need to go off subject let's talk about your favorite Player :))!

BTW the other guys are saying the same thing but in a more savvy manner.


Shahram

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Deeps - whats with the AJH/Stevie comment? We're not the same person you know! :)

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Sharham,

Nobody will deny that Rooney has lost a burst of pace.

But only someone with no appreciation for the game would say he doesn't contribute for us. Up until RVP joined he has contributed more to anything good we've achieved than any other player, bar none.

You are talking rubbish IMO, and it actually sounds like KLOOT's opinion being regurgetated! When has Rooney ever been lazy? Not for me, hence seeing him in both penalty boxes during the 90 mins. Is he overhyped? Maybe in the media but who gives a sh!t, we all know he's not in Messi/Ronaldo's league but we also now he's one of our best players. So get get behind him instead of slating the guy!

This is not to say Rooney should't be sold; like I said he has clearly lost that burst of pace he once had - but it's down to the manager to make that decision. As fans we should 'support'.

To say Rooney hasn't been contributing since his new contract tells me not to attach much weight to your opinions, Sharham.

He's probably the top scoring EPL player since that new contract. He's scored well over 70 goals for United since then, just over 2 years ago. That ALONE is a massive contribution surely?

Last point - I love how you call him "lazy, overrated, overweight"....but still think we can sell him fr a "lofty" fee. Lol, how does that work?

Gav

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Mick is talking sense for me, now that's called a balanced opinion. Whatever next on this site!

Gav

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Jred, but what if the manager feels it's best to sell Rooney for footballing reasons? What if like myself he believes we have seen the best of Rooney and selling Rooney would fund the rest of the transition.

Say for example the manager wants Rodriguez, Baines, Hummels, Strootman & Lewandowski, but in order to get them all he must sell Rooney? Perhaps even a pain in the arse Rooney who cannot stay off the drink, fags and junk food?

We are not funded by an oligarch or Sheikh, we are a self sufficient football club so if the manager sold Rooney to make the rest of these players possible wouldn't that be a footballing decision as well as a business one?

Sydney!

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31 Dec 2012 13:15:28
the shahram that wants to sell rooney as he's peaked and past it, yet wants to buy sneijder; who, wait, has peaked and is past it.

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Deeps, I still rate Rooney and feel much more confident when he is playing, but think his days of being a deadly striker are gone. He will always get goals and assists because he is a top player, United create plenty of opportunities and he is the penalty/free-kick taker. No one is discounting his stats, what people are saying is he is slowing down and he is getting to that point in his career where his price will start to go down. It has nothing to to with age per se, more about his peak coming to an end and player's peaks start and dip at different ages. Still a top player that will get goals when he plays, but not the player he once was with out his quick bursts of energy and pace. Against Swansea RvP put him through twice and you could see on both occasions he blew it due to lack of pace.

Sydney!

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Also, Sharham

"In Rooney you have a player who got money and fame too early and does not have the professional work ethic of some of his peers and is not what he was. In a season of 45 games 10 good games for a player supposedly worth 50 million is not good enough and that is what you expect from a squad player worth 10 million."

None of that is true IMO, sorry. Rooney was famous before his new contract anyway and didn't get his pay day any earlier than most top stars. I also don't remember him playing only 10 good games from 45? If that was the case then his goals/assists contribution is even more impressive!

Syd

I'm coming round to your point of view that the club have a big decision to make in the summer. Who really knows what the wisest decision would be. Is there a chance we could re-sign him for a similar salary (or slight increase), then reconsider selling him in a year or two? He's already on a very good wage and I would hope that he wouldn't expect a massive increase. It depends on his agent too I guess!

Gav

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Shahram

Still dosent mask the fact that you had zilch clue about the deep lying playmaker/Attcking thing. Dont put a different spin on it. My age? I must ask since how long have you been watching football? Going by your views, dosent look too much. Everyone else making a point also say that we are a better team with him being on it and not your"he dosent contribute" rubbish. So check your facts before you banter.

AJH/Stevie - First tell me which one of you had written the comment :). Lol, all i was saying is you have similar views on Rooney. But still admit that we are worse of without him.

Gav - Your's has to be the most balanced post.

Deeps...

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31 Dec 2012 14:37:37
When rooney has an injury it takes him a while to get back match fit and to get his form back but even when hes not fully fit or on top form his stats are always still good.
When he is on top form his stats are amazing and there are not many better players in the world.
Amazes me how so many united fans slate him, he is a winner, always gives his all and just look at his stats.
When fully fit that burst of pace will be back, hes 27 not 37

will red

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It wasn't me! I'm staying out of this one.

AJH

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Deebs

Spin on what, I still don't believe kagawa is a playmaker and people might want to classify him as a forward playmaker but for me never a playmaker, he is a little nifty player who in a very fast set up with lots of fast players can play some great little combinations. Is he a guy you send out against a Barca or Juve midfield as a playmaker, who can hold the ball, distribute, control tempo never.

Deeps still never answered my question what is the big deal how old are you?
I am 48 if that makes you happy.

According to the stats you posted Rooney has been significantly more important to the team than Carrick, I beg to differ and the team will be screwed if Carrick gets a longterm injury, whilst with Rooney this eason the script has been shows up pretty much unfit, then gets injured, back from injury and plays a few games with a few good ones, a great one and a couple of shockers , unifit, injured again, we seem to be doing just fine.


Stats can be very deceiving IMO, according to your stats Xavi is below average as he has very few assists and goals. So stop rattling off stats and watch the game and tell me how he is earning his 200 to 250k a week wages.

Mick Gav Syd

Let me rephrase for a 50 Million player as touted by people just not good enough in terms of contribution on a consistent basis and If we could get that sort of money and buy some world class midfielders and a left winger, i firmly believe we are better off without him. I also do not believe you will ever see the same player of 4 or 5 years ago.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - I think you are confusing Kagawas role mate. He isn't in there to dictate the flow of the game that is Carrick and Cleverley's role in the side he is there to create chances further up the field with the possession that is supplied to him by the DEEP lying player makers. If Kagawa isn't a play maker he did very well to achieve 17 assists in bundesliga and create many oportunities for Lewandowski and others}

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Shahram mate, it's DeePs, not DeeBs. Almost as bad as me referring to KLOOT as KLOT (not intentional I promise).

AJH

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31 Dec 2012 18:32:04
surely stats for a forward player are quite important, they are in black and white and cant be argued with.

you dont really seem to have a clue what you are talking about

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Shooram

There you go, if you don't classify Kagawa as a playmaker, goes to show how much knowledge you have of the game. I wont fault you though, u never answered my question, Since how long have you been watching football? I presume 4 or 5 years. And how naive, stats are certainly important for a player who plays in Rooney's position. But i guess you are confused between all the different positions on the field. I am 27 years old, i hope that makes your new year a little better. For a midfielder the stats that count are different ones.

Deeps...

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Ed004

I have been very critical of our current setup due to the fact that we have neglected buying the most important part of any top class team, which is the midfield in my view now for 4 to 5 years.

In my book midfielders are of two molds, a scholes and keane type. Whilst people think keane was some bruiser and enforcer, he was much more than that and was a holding midfielder, who could pass and scored key goals when he went forward.

Scholes was the playmaker in the side and If you ever watch any of our old games, when one went forward, which was Scholes mostly, keane would sit in the middle and protect our shape and some games you would see keane going forward and scholes dropping back but not very often.

Kagawa will never be good enough to play either role in our midfield and time will tell how effective he will be.

Most top teams seem to deploy a variation to what used to be a 4-5-1 and have a holding midfielder sit in front of the back four, a box to box midfielder and a playmaker midfielder slightly further up the pitch in a 4-1-2-3 format.

Football has changed and people use different terminology to describe players and it's mostly semantics and jargon to me as the intent is still the same.

Anyway this was a Wayne Rooney discussion and I bet no one on this site would admit RVP was a better player last year when he was playing for Arsenal as we are all guilty of having United blinkers on and overhype our players.
For me and people don't need to agree he was a great talent in his early 20s but today overhyped and nowhere near what I consider world class and definitely not the heart and soul of the club as we have had many players better than him, who have done their bit for the team and we have moved them on and as a club we have moved on.

Shahram

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Shahram Keane wasn't a DM he was a box to box.

Midifelders break down into the following types:

DM: Defensive Midfielder Aka Makelele role.

DLP: Deep Lying Playmaker ala Pirlo, Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Carrick etc.

B2B: Box to box, like Keane and what United really need.

AM: Attacking midfielder like old Scholes.

And lastly you have your Advanced playmaker types play in the hole, trequartista in Italian, think Totti, Kagawa, etc those kind of players.


So midfielders don't break down into just Keane types and Scholes types, you have different ones for different roles.

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Deeps

That answers my question as you have grown up with Rooney. This is not a my .... is bigger than ... yours because then that would not be a fair contest :) and stop making silly comments and personalizing stuff.

You keep jumping around, because guys like you think United is all Rooney, guys like me have seen many better players come and go and we are still here.

What I don't like is watching the manager and club hang on to players too long that not only financially has an impact but holds the club from going forward and we have gone backwards in the last 4 years.

Shahram

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No Name, i never said he was a dm and more a holding dm. The DM role is now a popular position since the days of Makalele at Real and Mourinho at Chelsea.

Again football jargon our biggest shortcomings are a holding midfielder/box to box and a creative playmaker, if we can sort those two position out we would be on our way competing for top honors in Europe.

Shahram

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31 Dec 2012 08:31:56
Saf in recent interview
" there is no MAJOR business in january. We keep eyes open for talented youth from all over. So may be 1 or 2 young lads.. But apart from that. I dnt get fans hope high"
" but u never say never infootball. Might some1 good become available at right price"
Now if i think for this
Snijder is a player we still needs considering no good signings for midfield area.
He has became available at cheap price. Dnt know ant wages though.

I think we shoud move for him before clever fox levy or sccoucers do. Cleverly can learn a lot from him also.
I think all boxes are ticking.

Rodio17

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Snijder? Here we go, not even 1st January and its the silly spelling sneijder section. Maybe it should have it's own seperate page eds?

GDS

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Never mind gds..
As long as u cn undstnd and all cn undstnd, abt whom i m actually talking.
U cn search in this mater. In last 2 years whn all were singing his name i have distanced myself from taking. But now i kno it can happen financially...ao i came up with a thought
Rodio17

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Maybe you should have your own page GDS -for spelling corrections ? You recently referred to" Wallbeck!"
Pot, kettle etc . . . .
Steve

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Steve,

I laugh at the spelling of sneijder every year along with others on here, it is a running joke, surely you can see the humour in people thinking we should sign this amazing player and don't even know his name?

I referred to welback actually as a joke with Shahram who until recently always called him welback and I pointed out his real name. So get your facts right mr pot kettle.

GDS

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GDS no I don't see the humour. There is none. You made a mistake and are too pig-headed to admit it !
You pedantic types are the real joke. Happy New Year!!!!!!!!
Steve

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Steve,

If you can find the point on this website and give me a direct quote where I said 'Wallbeck' I will happily never post on this website again and bow down to you as my master.

Thanks for the abuse calling me pig-headed though, much appreciated. I will accept a mistake if and when I make one.

Cheers,

GDS

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GDS, every time I see you posting about Sneijder, a little bit of me always hopes you spell it wrong...just once :)

StevieK

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GDS - abuse?We are touchy aren't we? I meant that you always come across as an arrogant "know all!" However you trip yourself up with your spelling mistakes - there has been more than this occasion and no I'm not going "trawling . . ." You sound like a school teacher(special measures?)
Steve

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Steve,

Brilliant, so no proof at all, there is a surprise. Thanks for making me laugh though. Certainly not a know all, I like to think people on here listen to my opinions and hopefully sometimes have a bit of a chuckle. I definitely don't take myself too seriously.

You called me 'pig headed'. I am not touchy, but I never personally say things about anybody on here as it can quite easily be construed as abuse. When you put the word 'trawling' in inverted comma's that would suggest you are quoting me, but I never used the word 'trawling'. Very confused.

StevieK, you can't begin to imagine the amount of times I check it when I type it!

GDS

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Steve, I think it is you who's sounding a bit officious!

Schneider / Sneydar / shnieder / Snyder / ...etc has been a running joke for quite some time.

And yes, pig headed and pedantic is starting to sound a little abusive.

DodgyBanter

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GDS

You made me laugh!

AJH

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31 Dec 2012 00:51:53
Please Sign Sneijder Sir Alex..

Karni

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As you wish! We are in contract talks right now.

-Sir Alex Ferguson

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But gaffer we have scholes, giggs and fletcher we don't need him.

-Mike Phelan

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Talk if u have 220k a week to offer me.

Snijder.

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But I can do a better job on less wages sir Alex. -Frank Lampard

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If u get Sneijder then I'm off!
RVP

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U don't need to I can go on for two more years plus I can coax Butt or Keane to pull their boots on again. -Ryan Giggs

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Good suggestions all..
Happy new year.

Malcom glazer

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"I'm free gaffer"

David Beckham

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:(

Cleverly & Ando

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Someone pinch the jammy dodgers?
old trafford tea lady

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Don't forget me!
Eric djemba-djemba

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This. Is. Brilliant.

DodgyBanter

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I'm better than all of them Sir and I have time on my side to improve

Bebe

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Why buy Sneijder when you have me ?

Bebe

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Bebe im sorry lad but your not ready yet.

-Sir Alex Ferguson

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Sir Alex bebe will be a world star! I've a few more players you don't need to see.

Carlos Querioz

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31 Dec 2012 12:38:22
comedy thread of the year

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But sir you told me I could go on for years! im still barely 40.

Ryan Giggs

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Great thread!

Best post though goes to 'Snijder' who it seems cannot spell his own name ; )

Gav

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Ryan I told Gary and Paul that too.

Sir Alex Ferguson

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Van Persie is stealing my spotlight! :(

Federico Macheda

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31 Dec 2012 13:43:13
I have a cousin who smashed it at City? I'll ask him if he is up for it...

George Weah.

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Keep dreaming...

Malcolm glazer

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