Manchester United Banter Archive May 31 2012

31 May 2012 21:59:07
Ronaldinho has quit Flamengo over wage issues.

How would people feel if we got him?... for a low fee obviously.

Reckon he would be worth a chance?

No.

G.A.G.U.S

No, he was lazy in his prime, wouldn't cope now he's past it.

Sydney!

No, not the player we need.

GDS

If you had a time machine, yes, otherwise definitely no

Gav

Oooo sometimes I love this site.

M.D.

Normally i avoid geting involved in confrontations but some people deserve it.

Sydney:Do you even think before you post mate?"Lazy in his prime".....you are accusing a legend here....try to appreciate good things when you see them or better shut up.I read a post yesterday where you said "SCATTY asians".That was uncalled for.Become a better human being mate or else you will lead a sad life.

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE

RDFL,

I think most people would agree Ronaldinho was 'lazy in his prime', he is not accusing a legend. Who was he a legend for? He was the best player in the world for 2 years then got so big for his boots, felt like he did not need to train and his workrate was poor, do you think that has improved now?

You can be a scatty Asian like you can be a scatty Englishman surely?

GDS

Yes I am accusing a legend of being extremely lazy in his prime. Very talented player attacking-wise, unplayable at times. As for putting in a shift for his team chasing back or even closing down opposition high up the field when not in possession, he is non-existent. Only interested when he has the ball at his feet. Now he has lost his edge due to his age he would be even more unsuited for the English game and perhaps even more lazy when defending.

As for 'Scatty Asians', I was not stereotyping Asians as scatty. I am talking about the United fanatics in Asia who hang around outside the hotels, follow players down the street and scream theatrically when they see the players in person. I meant it in good humour mate, not in a xenophobic way. I am not that way inclined my friend and I am sure my fellow posters will back me up on that one.

Sydney!

31 May 2012 21:45:47
Ronaldinho has walked out on flamengo over unpaid wages. Any think he'd be a good signing for a yr or 2. Sort of player we need.
Fergie, sign him up

No.

G.A.G.U.S

The sort of player we need, was good 5 years ago and has major workrate issues and would upset the whole dressing room?

There was a reason he was at Flamengo!

GDS

31 May 2012 20:54:53
Apparently Inter have been encouraging us and City to make offers for Wesley Sniedjer....,desperate times for Inter hey

Benyoun will probably be sold as will malouda and kalou se bruyne might possibly be goin back out on loan, Marin and Sturridge will probably rotate with hulk hazard and mata

31 May 2012 20:45:47
For me United need four players this summer, and Realistically if we have say a £60-£70 Million budget, I think Javi Martinez £32 Mill, Shinji Kagawa £17 Mill, Baines £13 Mill, and with the current squad as it is Van Wolfswinkel or Demba Ba at £7. Or if Berbatov and Anderson leave and free up some funds then go in for Lewandowski £15-18 Mill instead.

31 May 2012 21:08:03
A few questions, I've seen that we have been linked with Modric (as well as every other decent footballer under the sun) in recent days. From what I've seen, he's a center midfielder with attacking preferences? Unlike Kagawa, who plays right behind the striker as a CAM or CF. I would love to see both of them come to United, but with our supposed "philosophy" change in playing styles, where would he fit? Would he be able to sit next to Carrick and act as a deep lying play maker in this sense?

------Carrick-------Modric-------
-Tony-------Kagawa--------Nani-
-------------Rooney---------------

I would love to see Modric come to OT at or around 30 m, but would he be used effectively?

Cheers lads,
Sparty On

If we buy kagawa and modric clevs better get use to the bench
jred

I'd be happy with a line up like that next season TBH. Someone with a bit more steel to play alongside Modric would be ideal but I would't be too dissapotined without...if Pogba stayed of course he could fulfill that position long-term

Jred - I feel Cleverly would get plenty of game time in rotation with both Modric and Kagawa. He could learn a lot from them and let's not forget Scholes, Giggs and possibly Park & Anderson will all be gone within a year or so

Gav

Would prefer it if we spent the modric money on martinez/m'vila

______ Martinez/M'Vila

____ Cleverly __ Kagawa

Tony ___ Rooney ___ Nani

Carrick does not protect the back 4 well enough and his play is slow... what he does he does well but I think we need to look towards a more fluid faster midfield.

Oxred

31 May 2012 19:51:10
team i'd go with

De Gea
Rafael Smalling Vidic Evra
Cleverly Carrick
Valencia Kagawa Young
Rooney

Back up

Lindegaard
Clyne Rio Evans Baines
Scholes Pogba
Nani Anderson Welbeck
Hernandez

Thats not to say i'd use those lineups exclusively or those players in just those positions but thats what i see most of our squad looking like.

I'm guessing it's not a million miles away from where we will be. But personally wouldn't pick carsick. Autocorrect but seemed apt so I left it. Everyone has their favourites and those they don't like. He's one personally I think is unbelievably overrated.

Also wouldn't be surprised to see Petrucci make a few appearances. Personally think the lad oozes class. Captained the reserves a lot last year and was outstanding. I can see a bit of Pirlo in him, mixed with a younger scholes.

Redbear

We will nothing with those two full backs I am sure we will see more than one signing
ARB

You've not been too aspirational there mate!

Add a good CM and a decent LB to that team...and rotate Nani with Valencia/Young...and we would be looking sharp IMO. Perhaps a couple youngsters (Clyne & Powell) as an added bonus

Gav

31 May 2012 19:20:22
torres looks like hes gettin his form back and with a good euro performance this could be chleseas front 6 next season

mikel ramires

mata

hulk hazard
torres

with sturidge, marko marin, lampard, meirles as backup
i think chlesea will definitle be aiming for the title next season..even with this i still think if we can get kawaga and martinez we can be ahead of them

31 May 2012 19:11:48
The real question is, what do the scouts actually do at United? Apart from Hernandez what talent have they found that you and me couldn't have spotted? Smalling maybe, but Jones, Young, De Gea we all knew about. Look at Newcastle, Cisse, Ba, Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye, Santon + Krul. Any would be welcome at United. So there are players out there who don't cost the earth, we just don't seem to be looking for them.

Boyley.

Thats a bit disengenous. Ben arfa was known as a talent but got an injury. I remember watching santon for inter a few years ago at 18 and he was class then. Ba apparently had moves to big clubs in the offing before but either failed medical or was views as an injury risk so not pursued.... If you look at some of the young foreigners in our youth and reserves you'll see where the scouting goes....pogba, Petrucci, van velsen, Dhali, januzzaj, and the new signing parreia or something like that... Anyway, I think we scout much more at youth level than once a player turns 21/22.

Santon cabaye ben arfa werent exactly unknown ba was already in the lge and i wouldnt want tiote at untied because of his passing also what about the da silvas? or the great crop of youngsters we have coming up now

The da Silva's. Vidic. Evra. Lindegaard.

Wait....are you talking about the current squad or the last decade? This could be a long list.

M.D.

Because people turn their noses up here at the suggestion of cheap players, I suggested Joe Allen, and I was slaughtered for it.

Percy

The scouts at United operate to get players in from a much younger age. It means they are bought up at the club through the clubs academy and this will always give a better team if you have 11 people who have been playing together since they were 15 than in the past year. Look at Barcelona, they are almost exclusively Barcelona academy players. The scouts find these players but because they are so young you don't hear about it. The biggest recent one I can think of is Pereira who signed last year as a 15 year old.

Welsh Dragon

Yeah Daehli, Pereirra and Januzaj could be something absolutely mesmeric. Blackett is also a top left back and Rothwell is seriously talented.

Percy

31 May 2012 18:01:20
Not United related but how the hell does Jordan Henderson get called up to replace Lampard? This is really shameful.

Because Roy Hodgson is only using the Liverpool players he worked with. Some obvious favourtism going on here. He is worse than woeful and England will be showed up worse than they normally are with him in charge.

FA do it again.....make the wrong choice and give him a long contract :S IDIOTS!......heres to not getting out the groups at the Euro's

lewis.no9

He was the only midfielder on the list of "back-ups" available, even Jagielka was picked before him to replace Barry so I cannot see Henderson getting any minutes thankfully. Wilshere's injured, Lampard & Barry are injured. Cleverley has missed 3/4 of the season so was not ready.

Sydney!

And henderson b4 carrick i dont get that atall!

Just goe to show how shallow a pool of England players there are available.
I think that Joe Cole has had a better season than Henderson.....he's at least got more international experience.
Personally I would rather they take Nick Powell of Crewe over Henderson.....Downing and Henderson are not up to it.

Yes it is related. Carrick is way better. I know he opted not to become a standby but still , even joey Barton would be a better option than henderson

Joe cole

And Carrick!///?.............Oh yeah thats right he turned them down because of getting treated badly by them. They are a bunch of clowns

One problem with that Lewis, Downing and Henderson signed for Liverpool AFTER Hodgson left. DOH!

Did kenny not sign henderson?

Carrick said he didn't want to be a backup, might be regretting that now as could get a good bit of game time.

Think everyone in the country wouldn't have Henderson but he won't play so let's not fret too much and at least they won the carling cup so they have that winning mentality ;) oh and the games aren't at anfield so at least they won't draw them!

GDS

Even the lad Rodwell impressed when he got a few minutes against Spain (I think?), would have been a much better choice than Henderson.

They could of even taken Richards and got jones to play cm.

REDP

Jones will play ahead of Henderson in midfield anyway mate. Even Jagielka would play ahead of Henderson in midfield.

Sydney!

Rodwell is injured as always, there aren't actually that many choices!

GDS

Just tells you how bad england are
jred

I've just packed my bag, think I am playing instead of Henderson in midfield!

GDS

31 May 2012 17:29:22
I've just been advised that united have just sent out emails regarding a press conference next Friday. (our company does IT support for United)

Nothing more than that I'm afraid but hopefully it's will be something to look forward to :)

Dyslexic Hacker!

31 May 2012 16:23:45
just something id like to see next season.

INS:
(sorry if values are off)
Izzaguirre 5-10M
Benatia 12M
Asamoah 12M
Kagawa 15M
Powell 4M - Then loan him out to a prem team.
Clyne FREE - also loan him out to a prem team.
TOTAL: 48-53M


OUTS:
Park 2M
Macheda 2M
Berbatov 10M
Bebe £1.... 1M
TOTAL: 15M
TOTAL SPENT: 33M - 38M

1st team:

-------------deagea--------------
----------------------------------
rafael---benatia---vidic---izzaguirre
----------------------------------
---------carrick---asamoah--------
----------------------------------
valencia------kagawa--------young
----------------------------------
--------------rooney--------------

2nd team:

--------lindegaard-------
-------------------------
jones-smalling-evans-evra
-------------------------
----scholes-cleverley-----
-------------------------
nani---anderson--welbeck
-------------------------
-------hernandez--------

rio and giggs should be bit part players IMO.

thoughts?

JK92 (Banter please ed.)

Why would we buy Benatia?

Percy

This the 400th different team you've posted.

G.A.G.U.S

You forgot everyone's favourite buzz-word, the 'marquee' signing.

In all seriousness though, that looks a good team to me. I've said all along we don't need an overhaul, just a few tweaks to the starting 11 quality and what you've put there isn't out of the question at all in terms of our usual summer dealing. Although your team assumes Nani and Anderson both stay, something I am currently undecided on..

APC

Lol GAGUS, i feel like RD19 now...

suppose it's better than slaggin our players off....

JK92

Why would we loan out Clyne? He'd be in first team squad straight away.

31 May 2012 15:45:35
Yan M'Vila/Javi Martinez - £17/£30m
Izaguirre/Baines - £5/11m
Nick Powell - £3m
Nathaniel Clyne - £1.25m
Shinji Kagawa - £12m

& Possibly a top striker?
Lewandowski or RVP

Our squad would be crazy!

DDG & Lindegaard battling for GK
Jones, Rafa & Clyne for RB
Vidic, Rio, Smalling, Jones, Evans & Martinez for CB
Baines or Izaguirre, Evra, Fryers, Blackett for LB
Cleverley, Carrick, Anderson, Scholes, Pogba, Kagawa, Giggs etc. for CM
Nani, Valencia, Young & Kagawa on the wing
Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, new striker & Keane up top!


Bring on no. 20

tbir.

You would sign one of the best defensive midfielders in the world and have him battling to play centre half?

GDS

31 May 2012 15:35:42
....not Dembele to Chelski too ! With our attacking options left and right I'd rather have Dembele than Hazard...one he's proven in EPL ...two...he ain't such an arse !

Fergie....Sir...go get him...a steal at £10m !

What has Dembele 'proven' in the Premier League to make you such a fan?

GDS

31 May 2012 14:38:02
"Rodgers and Lambert are being snapped up by bigger clubs; time to put your bets on Swansea or Norwich to get relegated?

M.D."

___________________________________

Swansea I think will struggle. We already saw it towards the end of the season, opposing teams had worked out that all you have to do is press them higher up the pitch. Plus they seem to be spending most of their budget on Sigurdson, which of course is understandable, he had a great few months with them - but this indicates that they probably won't see much change at the club.

Norwich will survive. As long as Grant Holt doesn't leave they'll be okay. And I don't think Lambert will go to Villa this season - what would be the point? Norwich had a better season, their squad is younger and the whole scene at Carrow Road is great. The nicest fans in the premier league.

My uncle supports Norwich and has some season tickets so I get up to Carrow Road a lot (although not since that 93rd minute Giggsy goal - I haven't been invited back yet!), and it's the nicest place.. I just don't see what would be better about going to Villa.

Joe

Not right there Joe. Lambert has just offered his resignation.

Welsh Dragon

Swansea will be fine. Looks like they are keeping the bulk of their players (well we will see if Rogers will go and pick up a few, and how the sigurdsson signing now pans out)
I watched most of the Swans home games and we were pretty much on top in all of them apart from a few exceptions like the first game at home to city.
Beat city the second time round, beat Liverpool, Arsenal, Fulham, and drew with Chelsea.
Might not have such a great year as this but Swansea will not go down.

It'd be a shame if they don't have another good year - I think everyone's enjoyed watching them play.
Guess it depends on the new managers being brought in, or if they can hang onto Lambert/Rodgers.
I hope to see them both stay up but you can't lose managers of that quality and not expect some backlash. I think Lambert and especially Rodgers will have big futures in the game.

M.D.

Quite right there welsh dragon. Though I see it has been rejected by city I suspect this spells the end for Lambert. I see this as a real shame, I like the man but I thought sticking with norwich for another year would have been the right thing to do. Delia will be very upset!

You never know, maybe Pep is a secret norwich fan..

Joe

Sorry Joe but I think Pep is a Swans fan ...after all weren't they described as the Barca of the EPL, perhaps he'll take Messi down to South Wales with him?

DD

I think Norwich could struggle, Lambert really got them going and got performences out of players that 18 months ago you would have looked at and said no chance of them making it in the prem.

Swansea, well depends on who goes, again could struggle.

My tip for bottom (Alphabetically)

Norwich, Reading, Swansea, West Ham, Wigan. Saying that both QPR and Southampton could get sucked into things as well.

31 May 2012 14:28:32
if we wer willin to spend 40mil euros on hazard and now that we lost out on him , surely its common sense to try and get martinez with that 40 mil?if we got him and kawaga i wud be so delighted i wudnt mind evra playing lb hah

31 May 2012 14:04:10
The total cost of the Hazard deal to Chelsea will be around £90 million over the course of his five-year deal.

In addition to the £32m fee to be paid to Lille, understands that Chelsea will pay Hazard more than £200,000 a week over the course of his contract, adding up to £10.4m per year. It will put him on a par with Fernando Torres as the club’s top earner.

Chelsea are also set to pay Bico around £6m for brokering the deal, a fee neither City or United had any inclination to meet, especially given the way Hazard and his camp conducted themselves throughout the saga.

City, backed by their billionaire Abu Dhabi owners, were in no mood to cede to Hazard’s demands and draw him alongside the likes of Carlos Tevez and Yaya Toure on their pay-scale given he has only ever played in France and still has much to prove. The Premier League champions thought their final offer of £150,000 a week was perfectly acceptable.


united= no money.

United= wont be held for ransom.

TRUMORS

Does not having 90 million to spend on an unproven premier league player = no money?

GDS

TRUMORS, Rooney did what?

Danny Pughnited

I thought this post was anti-signing-Hazard right up until the "united=no money" sign-off!
ha.

M.D.

Do you mean Rooney our best player who has proven time and time again how good he is and how integral he is to the team? As opposed to a guy with no premier league experience who seems to think he is better than Messi.

GDS

I mean Rooney who literally held United to ransom by saying, 'i'll leave if you don't offer me a massive wage.' You can justify what Rooney did in whatever way you want, but the reason United didn't sign Hazard has nothing to do with some moralistic refusal to be held to ransom.

Danny Pughnited

That's right, they never signed Hazard because he chose to go to another club.

Sydney!

Is this the same Hazard whos agent confirmed that terms had been agreed with 3 clubs - Chelsea, Man United, and Sh*tty - and that it was up to Eden to choose where he went?

Sorry I just need to clarify if everyone can actually remember what happened in the Hazard transfer, or if they wish to not see it was for footballing reasons.

Paso

Most blame Pogba's agent for being greedy and pushing the player towards Juventus based on a potentially more lucrative payday for the agent himself. However the same people seem to ignore the impact of the payment made to the agent of Hazard, it seems likely United and City chose not to pay it and Chelsea did.

Should Hazard turn out to be a Ronaldo level superstar that agent payment could be a significant error especially if he goes to Madrid in 3 years for £80M. Of course he could flop and the agents fee would be money wasted.

The connection between the two deals could well be the agents fee. If we miss both players because of it it would be food for thought. We will likely have missed out on players previously and could miss out on more players if we maintain the same position with agent fees. We may not like paying it and choose the so called moral highground but if Hazard proves a major success wins major cups selling brand Chelsea across the globe before making an £50M profit then that agent fee will be worth it

Red Man

31 May 2012 12:54:11
The new United shirt looks a bit like a table cloth, and where does a table cloth belong?

...On top of the table

Lol I guess thats one way to take away the hideousness of the shirt!

UNITED_LEGENDS

Underneath the silverware more like ;)

31 May 2012 12:43:34
CASE FOR THE DEFENCE

ACCUSED - LUIS NANI

CRIME? INCONSISTENCY, BAD FINAL BALL, NOT A TEAM PLAYER .....................

I really find it hard to believe what I'm reading about Nani. Lets look at the crimes:-

Inconsistency/Bad Final Ball - Nani is a victim of his own versatility, it is clear his favoured position is on the right side but as he can play either wing he is moved to accommodate Valencia. Playing out of position leads to the inconsistency, I'm sure if Valencia was moved to the left wing we wouldn't see the same performances (solid but unspectacular) that we see just now! The bad final ball is a direct result of playing on the opposite wing from which he favours as going down the wing he would need to cross with his unfavoured foot, this said he still had 10 assistsand 9 goals this season.

Not a team player - In season 10/11, when Valencia was injured, Nani player constantly in his favoured postion on the right. His stats? 18 assists (the most in the league) and 10 goals. Nani was also voted PLAYERS player of the year. His reward? Being punted back to the left when Valencia regained fitness!

All this being the case does Nani go knocking on Fergie's door demanding to be played in his favoured position? No, he gets his head down and plays for the team.
In a time when most are so dissapointed at missing out on Hazard, it is even more disturbing that the "fans" can turn on a world class player that we have in our ranks that has stated his desire to play only in the red of United! Give me one Nani over 10 Hazards, Nasri's or Sneijder's any day of the week.


In sumation to me it is blatantly unfair for Nani to recieve the critisim he is now getting and some people need to take a long hard look at themselves.

I for one am grateful to have Luís Carlos Almeida da Cunha in a team that is at this moment sadly lacking in players that can make a vital difference.

ONE LOVE, ONE UNITED.

Fabio No2.

I'm glad people are seeing him for what he is. A spectacular player.

Percy

Ok so your saying Nani is inconsistant because Valencia gets to play on the right, meaning Fergie rates Valencia higher obviously? If so then why not sell Nani and buy a left winger?

Flimbo

No, i'm saying Nani suffers because he can play both wings and is versatile, whereas Valencia can only play right wing! Given the choice of Valencia (RW) Nani (LW) or Nani (RW) new signing i.e Munaian/Rodriguez (LW) I would choose the second option everytime.

Fabio No2

Stats from last season:-

Valencia - 27 games, 4 goals, 13 assists
Nani - 29 games, 8 goals, 10 assists (playing unfavoured position)

Hardly points to the fact Ferguson prefers Valencia.

Fabio No 2

See now your contradicting yourself, you said that Nani got PPOTY when he was played in his favoured position but he suffers due to being able to play on either wing but thats wrong cos hes not good on the left at all and if Fergie is picking Valencia (who had a much better season & also suffered injuries) ahead of him in his (Nanis') favoured position regardless then surely he rates Valencia higher? its quite simple, Nani is not fergies first choice winger, so he should sell him and sign someone who can play on the left.

Flimbo

Flimbo,you don't seem to get what he's saying at all. He's saying the 2 best winger are 1. Nani and 2. Valencia, to accommodate both, Nani has to be moved to the left. Is that simple enough for you?

Percy

Can you read?

I said Nani can play either wing but is better playing from the right (contributing directly to 28 goals when played there 10/11). But as he is the BEST option we currently have for left wing he is played there and playing there he still directly contributed to 1 more goal than Valencia. So yes it is simple, sign a left winger and move Nani back to his best position of right wing.

Fabio No2

If valencia & young are fit and its a big game nani is on the bench
jred

31 May 2012 12:28:30
G.A.G.U.S

Hazard isn't as good as Nani, yet. No doubt this coming season will show that. Once Nani has Cleverley, Kagawa, Welbeck,Young, Rooney, etc playing along side him, he'll be unstoppable and you'll look ridiculous for suggesting selling him. Been saying since the Nani hating started, he was thriving at the start of the year because of his quick thinking, incisive passing and quality finishing.

Percy

I hope you're right.

G.A.G.U.S

Percy
I hope your right but my own opinion is that hazard is every bit as good as nani
Jred

31 May 2012 11:42:37
I don't believe we need that much of a big over haul this summer. Talk of if we dont sign this player or that player we are doomed! its laughable.

Missing out on Hazard is a god send. Transfer price, wage demands, agents fee way way to much. Of course there is that word potential which everyone pays big money for and one day he might be 'world class' but he wont be at Chelsea when he is....Real most likely.

Kagawa is a really good player who will improve at Utd and will do just as much if not more at Utd than hazard will at Cheslsea.
I spent a year in France last year so watched alot of French football and yeah Hazard does stand out as being quality but he plays very similar to Nani who as we know has the potential to be world class himself, just struggling to perform at his peak week in and week out. I have also lived in Norway for a number of months and watched German league games as well. Kagawa is a different player, passes much better than hazard and works a little harder for the team, doesnt always try to beat his man and he loves a shot.

Out of the two Kagawa fit Utd much better for what we need.

Apart from him I would love to see a DMC come in and maybe a striker.

Someone like Javi Martinez would be perfect. Best position is DMC, he is big, strong and can cover at the back if needed (Rio getting on a bit and Vidic will need a bit of time to recover from injury)

So Kagawa and Martinez.....if we sign both of those I would be very happy :) If we add a quality striker as well then I think we will be sorted.

Line possibly.......

De Gea

Smalling/Rafael Rio/Evans Vidic Evra

Jones Martinez

Valencia/Nani Kagawa Nani/Young

Rooney

Bench
Nani/Young/Valencia
Cleverley
Hernandez
Rio/Evans
Rafael/smalling
Carrick
Scholes
Welbeck
Lindegaard
New Striker??

Obviously SAF would have to sort out who was on the bench or not....bit light of defenders but as I said both Jones and Martinez can cover there.

Out....
Berba 8 mill and 110k a week off the wage bill
Bebe 3 mill wages ??
Anderson 6 mill wages ? estimate 50K

All the outs cover Kagawa transfer and Anderson wages covers Kagawa's wages coming in.
We were obviously looking to spend around 30 mill on Hazard so why not put that forward for Martinez and berba's wages of 110k would more than cover Martinez wage demands (most likely).

Very good summer it that happens

Any thoughts any one?

Lads and girls just forget everything and go on the liverpool page,its the best laugh you will ever have,now they have the mighty brendan rodgers there saying they will do this and do that its so funny.Terry

I think in your line up Toni is a must to start RW

ms85

Very good post, agree with everything you said (except maybe keeping Ando for one more year-I'd give him one more season)

Just a shame you didn't leave a name really ;)

DodgyBanter

I was considering posting but thought id browse the posts first just to find an almost identical post to the one i was considering.

Martinez and Kagawa would please me id consider the window a great success and to be honest its not out of the question.

Ive maintained all along id like Martinez, to lose the prem on goals difference and add these to players would surely see us regain it next year?

Matt4486

Didn't know I had to put a name.

lets go for.......... J Utd.

Also I know a guy who used to scout for a few football teams (retired now) still throws a few thoughts my way when I see him in the club (not that he knows any more than the next man just his experience, plus he is still in touch with his old accountant who still does accounts for some footballers) So if I hear anything I will pass it on.

Last thing he told me was about some Swansea player moving but that hasn't happen so I hope to get better stuff than that.....well it still might though I guess?

31 May 2012 10:44:48
Hi everyone,

Just a few quick comments, first of all, l like others, am disappointed in losing out on Hazard, but it could be a blessing in disguise, he seems like trouble to me, he seems to think he is already the best in the world, kinda reminds me of a ballotelli attitude. I think he wud have been played out wide anyway for us and thats not his strongest position, we should just forget about him now.
Secondly, as many of you already know, Kagawa deal is more or less done, I know hes not a "marquee" name but trust me he is definately a world class buy, the guy is gonna set Old Trafford a light :D I think another CM is required though so that he doesn't have the burden of being the player that is gonna win us back the title, IMO i think Modric is Fergies 1st choice target but I have a feeling Sneijder may pop up again depending on how Holland do at the Euros, Sneijder for £20million i would say is realistic and that would be another amazing buy, so for the £32-£35million being quoted for Hazard we could probly get Kagawa and Sneijder who I would say are alot more proven than Hazard (especially Sneijder) Adding just them 2 players would make us World class again I believe.
Thirdly, in regards to this Nani debate thats going on, I kinda agree with Sydney! there would be no point in selling him just for the sake of it, someone really good would have to b in place, I think Nani is really good........but only on the right, but he's not as good as Valencia so thats the problem, he's ok on the left i suppose but we have Young over there, I rate Nani as a better player overall than Young but not on the left, so really its where does Nani fit in now? I honestly think he will stay, the names being thrown around IMO wouldnt be as good as Nani eg Gaitan, Rodriquez, they would cost £25million+ and arnt even setting the portuguese league alight. Nani is stil a World Class player on his day.
Lastly regarding the rest of the buys, I dont think we will see anything happen until the euro's are over, as i said earlier i expect Kagawa and Sneijder/Modric to come in but depending on the tournament theres loads of players that could come in, Strootman will b 1 to watch as an alternative to the above players, I believe clyne and a lb will come in also possibly the psv lb or izzaguire, I dont think we will sign a striker either, I have a feeling Rooney will b playing up top on his own with kagawa behind him so that will leave Welbeck, Chicharito and macheda as back ups.

So in all my ideal summer wud be

Kagawa
Sneijder/Modric/Strootman
Clyne
Jetro Willems

For me those additions would make us great again

De Gea

Jones
Smalling
Vidic
Evra

Carrick/Cleverley/Scholes
Sneijder/Modric

Valencia/Nani
Kagawa
Young

Rooney


Cheers guys

Big Mac

31 May 2012 08:09:26
Nani is a great player. Even on an off day he is still better than most in the prem. he could be having a s**t game then all of a sudden do something magic. I understand why people are annoyed by him being inconsistent but is he?
When ever the team is playing well Nani is in the middle of it, scoring and assisting. When the team plays bad people say its nani's fault. He can't take the blame or be our escape goat whenever the team doesn't deliver. I believe we just go into every game thinking he has to score or set up 3 and when he doesn't and no one else has played very well it seems to be nani's fault.
I for one hope he stays and proves all you haters wrong!

REDP

Mate nani is not better than most, his skill is amazing but what he has in skill in lacks in brain cells.

To greedy, wasteful, bad decision making and isn't really that effective as a winger.

He always takes that extra touch rather than looking up and playing the ball.

Valencia is by far our best player along with vidic and Rooney

LUHG

I believe it's scapegoat not escapegoat

That's what I've been saying, he's inconsistent by the ridiculously high standards he sets.

Percy

Quick question? Why are we letting goats escape?

The gate was left open

ross

Haha my bad! Really should start reading through way I write before I send it.

I hope Nani stays and shows his class

RED P

Who let the Goats out !!

naaa naaaa nanaaaa

Mike

One thing to all those fans who want to sell Nani: On one hand, you want players who want to play for the shirt but on the other hand, you want to sell the players(read Nani) who love the club. How contradictory is this.

Devil for Life

31 May 2012 00:00:31
I would love it if on a day like this, Nani or a friend / family member etc...randomly ended up on this page and just read the hatred some people have for him, on days as such.

Nani has always been one for the fans, and has never said one bad thing about the club, players, staff, fans, history etc. He's all about Manchester United and IMO won't be going anywhere soon, he loves the club and everything to do with it.

Sure, he's inconsistent, but on his day he IS a World Beater, up there with the best in the game. He's a Manchester United player, we're supposed to be his fans, so give over and support the lad for fu*k sake.

By the way some of you are getting on, one would think he is at the standard of Taibi, Djemba-Djemba or Dong Fangzhou...

Rant Over.

MPez

I remember watching an interview with him.

"So who do you support?"
pause
"Here, Manchester of course"
"United obviously? Not City?"
"Not City, f*** that!"

He's one of our best players who supports the club and we're seriously talking about selling him. It's a joke.

Percy

The whole point his he isnt a world beater regularly enough i couldnt care less if he loves the club if i dont think hes good enough then i would sell him and sign someone who i believe would be a better player for the club and imo Rodriguez suits that perfectly Nani is a poor decision maker in the final third he cant defend he is a poor crosser cant take free kicks or corners notice how many goals we used to score from set pieces to what we do now ??

If Nani has an injury free season I can see him hitting 17 goals this season.

People saying Nani's not good enough for us but he's probably our 3rd best player....... Just goes to show how weak our squad is then in that case. Nani is good enough for us he just needs to find consistency....
HERBIE

Nani is not inconsistent at all. He is not suited to our hit and hope crossing style.

Portugal have given him a free role opposite Ronaldo and he has outshone him. If you watch Portugal games on a regular basis, you would know that he has been their most consistent player for almost 3 years now.

If the signing of Kagawa is anything to go by, we will play a much more fluid system with the ball on the ground. Nani would be unplayable in that type of game as he is the ONLY attacker in our squad not named Rooney who is capable of doing that well.

All of you were praising him after chelsea win at home. after same games compared with ronaldo he has scored the same and assisted more, I think we will see a massive season from nani next season.

watch this space

neil

Herbie you have just completely contradicted yourself. In your first sentence you say he isn't good enough but then finish by saying he is? To me consistency and ability are completely different. You have to have both of them to be an amazing player. Nani definitely has the ability to be one of the best in the world, but he doesn't have the consistency. The fact he is one of our best players shows nothing about our squad except that we have very good players. People also forget that he was out for a long time last season with injury and he was only coming back towards the end of the season.

Welsh Dragon

So because he supports the club we should keep him on massive wages even though he is ineffective for large parts of the season? That interview was hardly an in depth view of his psyche was it? If you play for Liverpool your hardly going to make a statement saying you support Everton are you? If Nani improved each year then of course we would be mad to sell him but he just doesnt!

Flimbo

Percy,

My answer to them questions would be the same, should I be playing left wing for United?

GDS

I think one of the eds made a very good point that he looked immense at the start of the season when we were playnig a free flowing pass and move game at the start of the season. Nani, Anderson, Rooney and Cleverly all looked really on the same wave length. The goal he scored in the charity sheild was immense! I think with the new additions we are looking to get that style of football will come back. Too long last season were we playing it wide for the full backs to overlap just to put in a cross to a croweded penalty area.

Sanshine

Dragon
It does sound like a contradiction but I was been satirical. I,m all for keeping Nani, he would show his true worth if he had better quality around him IMO....
HERBIE

If valencia and young are fully and we have a big game would fergy pick nani?
jred

No, my point is, he's a brilliant player, one of the best in the league and world and is loyal to our team. It would be madness to sell him. Giggs was never massively consistent, but he's still here and he's 38. Nani keeps getting injuries at bad times, once he gets an injury free season with other pass and movers around him, he and the rest of the forward line will ruin any team.

Percy

Percy

Percy

Are you not a bit worried about his decision making? Do you not get mind-numbingly frustrated when he repeatedly screws the ball over the bar rather than trying to find someone in space to play it to?

Flimbo

No, because there are more pressing concerns than someone who's a little bit wasteful but is one of our most important players. Giggs is probably the most wasteful player and he is loyal, why isn't he receiving the hate? Nani produces more often than not.

Percy

Nani is not and will never be as good as Ryan Giggs, and if you think he is then you need your head checked!

Flimbo