Manchester United Banter Archive October 31 2012

 

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31 Oct 2012 23:07:46
After watching the game tonight I think the young players can be very proud of themselves. We still have problems in nets tho as Lindegaard doesn't instill any confidence, Buttner seems to have gone backwards since his debut and Nani still frustrates (should have just held the ball at the end instead of showboating). Keane and Rafael were great at the back and Powell showed glimpses of his quality. MOTM (for me anyway) was Anderson when he was on, we all know he can play, just wish he'd stay out of KFC on the way to the matches. As for Chelsea, well they deserve Leeds away in the next round. Serves them right for taking it so seriously!!

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Great game, not too gutted.

Lindegaard proved again that he's not as useful as De Gea. He's SLIGHTLY better from crosses, but he's still shakey at times.

Back 4, loving Rafael at the moment. More than happy he's our number 2. Keane can hold his head high, when Tunnicliffe came on I said to my Leeds housemate "one of these young lads is gonna make a clumsy tackle and give away a pen". That man was Wooton, then he one-upped himself. Other than that, he wasnt great but was facing a massive step-up in competition. Buttner, I retract slightly on, clearly not ready for the big time.

Powell was good, Fletch did alright, Anderson at times was phenomenal. Hernandez is looking a real livewire, his overall play is improving too.

But we shipped some stupid goals, it means little though and good to see the young lads playing.

RED_SKY

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31 Oct 2012 23:20:41
Up till the 93rd minutes are boys ran their socks off today... Extra time was always going to be too much for a team of young players and players in and out of the team but I really thought we were excellent throughout the game.

So unlucky to lose considering the two sides that were picked, I do have to say that I want the young players out on loan if that's what they can do on a one off I would love them out on loan playing consistently next year.

At the age of 19, Michael Keane is such a talent, composed on the ball, reads the game well, tall and strong and thats still with him growing. Just think age of 21-22 he could be a rock for us in the future, we saw how long it took Evans too hit top form this kid is similar in the way he plays.

Brief appearance from Tunners, put himself about I think we saw what you get from him tonight and that is something we are missing. Someone in the middle of the park prepared to put a foot in, throw himself at shots, take a booking for his team if needs be and a season out on loan next year in the championship will be so beneficial in terms of positioning as expected got caught out a few times ahead of the ball.

Nick Powell. Terrific start when he came on, shot with in 30 seconds almost finding the corner. Great range of passing, terrific shot and what a footballing brain he has, always finds himself in space and he is a threat in the box. He is a difficult one as he could make an impact for us in the first team but whether at the minute he will get enough of it, definatly a loan for him to a Blackburn or Bolton a local team in the championship so we can keep a close eye on him like we did with Cleverley.

A lot to build on for the future our rezzie's held out Chelsea for 90 minutes and stood toe to toe with the best they had to offer. Few mistakes from Wooton but it's all a learning curve and we will have a better idea of the kid if he puts it behind him and steps up in his next performance.

RedKnight

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31 Oct 2012 23:06:48
Could be the final nail in nani's coffin after hearing saf after the game and after his extra time performance

G.N.G

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Not like Fergie to single out individuals.

Unfortunately this game typified Nani in his time here - 10% class, 90% frustration.

StevieK

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31 Oct 2012 23:05:19
Keane was very good tonight and Wooton was unlucky but atleast these youngsters are getting experience which is good. Kept getting frustrated with Nani but scored a decent goal. Buttner is not ready yet and I think the likes of Keane, Tunnicliffe, Powell, Lingard and Petrucci (even though he didn't play) should be sent out on loan to get experience.
Welbeck was not as attacking as he defended more to help out the fullback. Atleast we have key players fit and fresh for Arsenal!
MUFC19

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31 Oct 2012 23:03:23
Very good game tonight, some of our youngsters look promising especially the two center halves! Keane and Wootton have done so good against an amazing attack 4, something some premier league teams can't contain.

Anderson is getting into everyone's good books I see, always knew he had talent but Fergie wasted him. I say give him some time against Arsenal instead of bringing on Scholes/Giggs.

Stop calling for Buttners head guys! He is a young lad who has made a big change from the Eredivisie to the Premier league. Give him some time.

Rafael done great today, along side Hernandez and Fletcher.

I may have said why has Giggs started earlier and had a little rant, but my oh my has he been good for once. He kept the team going in the dying minutes, but this shouldn't mean he should start every game.


Overall though I think it was cruel to concede so late and we should have won. Nani shouldn't have attempted to take on 3 defenders and allowed them to counter. But I am going to be positive and hopefully we can destroy Arsenal Saturday.

By the way Piers Morgan is seriously annoying me from the things he puts on T**tter I don't have it but my mate does and all he goes on about is how but hurt he is about RVP leaving.

-JakeW

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Ok jake we will wait for buttner to show how poor he is in another few games then we can collectively cross his name off and everyone can complain about another waste of money. at 23/24 you either have it or don't, he does not have it.

Shahram

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31 Oct 2012 23:02:25
We can only be proud of the kids.
They were only 5 seconds away from beating a team compiled with buckets of money.
The future's bright. The future's Red.

Sychlops

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31 Oct 2012 22:57:31
Just wanna say that was a brilliant game. Really was very entertaining. And of course I would have loved us to win but it makes me smile the think chelsea needed 8 first team players who played against us on sunday to beat our youngsters who held their own brilliantly. Anderson was class. What can I say ? Always been a fan and believed he just needs to get the injuries out of his system and have a run of games. There's a reason why he sh*t all over fabregas a few years ago. He has the talent. He's strong in the tackle and whilst on the ball and can pick a pass or two. His vision is brilliant and he brings a high tempo to our game. Sadly knowing fergie will end up on the bench. Giggsy had one of his better games and was good. Hernandez is a class act isn't he ! His movement is amazing and his finish was worldclass. Welbeck was poor imo. He does give a lot of commitment but his finishing needs to improve and his touch was sloppy tonight. Nani looked encouraging imo. Took his goal beautifully and looked keen and eager to track back and get involved. There's no doubting his talent. Shame about inconsistency. I think we can see why DDG is number 1. Lindergaard is ok and a good number 2 but not as a number 1. Well I thought considering the circumstances wooton did ok. However his mistakes cost us and I don't think he's good enough to play for us as a starter possibly squad player in the future. But my god did him and keane have a tough ask against mata hazard and oscar tonight. So in that circumstance they did well. Very happy to see powell and tunners get a run out they looked determined and hungry to impress and that's what was so encouraging to see. The hunger and drive united as a squad have this season is admirable and you can't teach that. I may sound over optimistic etc but I do think our squad (when back to full fitness) has a lot of depth and quality. Midfield needs another 2 to 3 players. A DM or box to box player and possibly another winger such as rodriguez or isco. Anyway Arsenal game coming up I'm expecting RVP our star man to humble them. Looking forward to saturday !

Park 3 Lung

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31 Oct 2012 22:40:32
Well the major points in this game :

1- For those asking why wooton is not starting, well its simply because he's not good enough. He lacks both experience and talent. Keane on this other hand, he just lacks experience but what is apparent is that neither the towering centre back type toi replace vidic, so if jones is deemed not to become a cb, we have to go all out or either hummels or papadopoulos.

2- Buttner is just as bad as evra, but he can improve, while evra is simply past it, so i think he should be given more games before beeing labled as a bebe type signing.

3-Giggs shouldnt start important games, but he can still do a half decent part time job, and as long as he wants to stay in the game, i think that we should still give him a chance. He has offered us so much loyalty over the years, i think its our turn to give him some support, as long as he doesnt cost us in important games.

4- Anderson is great, and so is Hernandez. Give anderson a chance, and he will give back. Give hernandez chances, and he will burry them. Both players are very talented and should be playing regularly as both have the potential to grow into worldclass players.

5- Nani, appart from his goal, was horrible. Nothing else to say really. I mean he is simply stupid. I expect fergy to give him a good kick up the a** for trying to dribble in the last minute. And Welbeck was utter cr** throughout. Im not sure why, i just dont rate welbeck. He should not start ahead of chicharito, nor should he play on the left: he is not as good as a striker as chicha, and he is horribl on the wing. Welbeck should be, for the time beeing, a squad player. And he has to work on his close control. I mean What is the ball doing 2 feet away from his leg when he is trying to dribble? So i say sell Nani, get muniain and give welbeck a permanent place on the bench.

6- Rafael, by the end of the season, will be mentioned along with Rooney, Van persie ( possibly kagawa and valencia ) as a Worldclass player. Despite beeing 22, he was a defensive rock and offered a clam head in the back 4.

Mick

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MICK

1. Agree
2. i don't think more games is going to change much.
3.Giggs had a good game
4.Agree
5.Agree pleas sell him
6.100% agree

Shahram

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Your name has been noted an your posts will be ignored

marlow

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This was ment for honestly's post slatin wooten

marlow

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31 Oct 2012 22:58:26
From the tone of saf's post match interview if I were nani i'd start packing .he said it was down to nani trying to beat three men and failing(again!!)that let chelsea break to win the pen bye bye nani
Onecut

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31 Oct 2012 22:46:22
Liverpool put out a weak side for their capital one cup fixture against Swansea tonight:

Their first eleven.

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Its just unbeleivable how you can make any joke funny just by adding liverpool to it !

Mick

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31 Oct 2012 22:38:22
Well... Tonight's game had one positive in which the defeat wasn't Uniteds fault. IT WAS SCOTT WOOTTONS. Seriously I don't know what the hell that kid was thinking. Sure people say he has potential but tonight he was ABSOLUTELY AWFUL

Firstly I'm annoyed with him for playing so bad and giving away a stupid penalty and a stupid goal

Secondly I'm annoyed at fergie for playing him and keeping him on the pitch!

Honestly...

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He is 20-21, give the god damn lad a break. How dare you even slate the kid for tonight! He did great against a world class attack. Fans like you shouldn't be supporting United, you have to support the lads or we will never be successful.

-JakeW

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What did he do wrong in the first 93 minutes mate?

Grow up. We give the kids a chance and people like you say stuff like that. Pathetic.

GDS

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Take the positives from the game mate. It was good experience for the young lads and a run out for others such as Fletcher who need games. They just came up short of what ended up being a full strength Chelsea side. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow any time United lose and I was sick after the game myself but you must remember the whole team and Wooton did quite well tonight overall. Chelsea looked a bit better in extra time but that's what happens when you ask lads who haven't been playing 90 minutes each week such as Giggs and Fletcher and inexperienced reserve players to play 120 minutes. Remember Wooton is young and has plenty to learn but that's only natural at his age. Slating young players on here and not leaving your name is not the United way in my opinion.

Jomu83

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I thought Both CBs played great for the most part they both had a bad spell but that's how you learn

Give them both a break

Pardoe

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I dont think scott wooton will be playing many more games for us.

dont think this is right i would like him to become a great player but sadly i think after those two horrible mistakes he is on his way.

Coombesy

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Coombsey,

So what we are saying to our youngsters is you can have a chance but as soon as you make an error we all turn against you and you never play again.

The lad played brilliantly against Newcastle and for 93 minutes against pretty much Chelsea's first team. He makes 2 mistakes and that's it. What does that say to the rest of our youngsters? Good luck but don't make a mistake because your career is over. Silly.

GDS

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Ok I take back. It was just a disastrous night. Had wootton been subbed off after 90 minutes then he could have been man of the match. In my opinion the youth players lost it and could not cope with the 30 minutes. I'll just have to say that everyone makes mistakes and that's that
Last night was just a late night and I was just frustrated with the defeat. It was good that we gave him a chance so you can't blame him. He still needs to improve from his errors but having said that not everyone for man utd played great. For example nani didn't have a great game either and it was him who gave away the ball stupidly which lead up to the 2nd penalty. Therefore we will have to move on from last nights game and use it as a learning curve
FYI it was me who sent the original comment about wootton and I therefore apologise to anyone offended and hope to use this as a learning curve for any other posts on this website I send.
United4ever!!

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Despite all I said earlier at the top I still hope and think that wootton can improve. Other than those two awful mistakes he had a decent game had the match ended at 92 minutes it would have been an 8/10 performance however by the end of the game it was a 5/10 performance but anyway we must take positives. Giggs and Anderson were brilliant Keane played well and so did Rafael only concern however is nani although hell probably be out the door soon. I once again apologise and am still behind united
Also the only reason I didn't leave my name Jomu83 is cos I frankly didn't know what to be called but in future references I will try and use a name

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As lots of posters have said, he played ok for the first 90 minutes in what was a big step up. The mistakes were pretty bad but lets not forget liek many he was very tired as well as inexperienced. Whether he breaks through to the first team is of course debatable but to say he will be on his way after these mistakes is even more naive than the mistakes he made! Personally from the little I have seen of them I think the other centre back Keane looks the better prospect though
Invisible STuey

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31 Oct 2012 22:34:41
Well, Chelsea really wanted revenge for Sunday. While we left the likes of Rooney, Van Persie, Valencia and Young at home they brought the trio of Mata, Hazard and Oscar. It paid off in the end but we can be proud of the young lads. They gave it their all.

And how good was Anderson tonight? 3 assists. He adds that bit of drive and power to the midfield that we are missing. I hope he gets a game on Saturday.

JKM {Ed003's Note - Sorry,but how old are Hazard and Oscar?}

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Both 21 but they are both in the starting eleven. Chelsea finished the game with 7 of the team that started the game on Sunday while we finished with 2.

JKM

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They are older than our young lads that played, young lads that are products of our academy in Keanes case and somewhat in Wootons. How many of those are there at Chelsea now? How long have Hazard and Oscar been first team regulars at their previous clubs? How much did Chelsea pay for Hazard, Oscar, Moses? Even Piazon was brought in for a fairly big sum, how much was that?

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Hazard and oscar are on their way to become some of the best footballers in the league ed. they played against a weak side.

-jakew {ed003's note - my point was they are young lads aswell}

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Ed003

What has their age got to do with anything? They are far more experienced players than Keane, Wootton, Tunnicliffe etc.

G.A.G.U.S {Ed003's Note - Nothing really, just the op stated should be proud of the young lads then compared them to 2 Chelsea players who are only pups themselves}

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Ed003 how much did they cost as I don't remember them coming through the chelsea youth ranks :)

Shahram {Ed003's Note - I have no idea,but off the top of my head quite a lot,I'm just pointing out they are kids aswell,Jeez! }

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Ed003 Just having a little bit of banter, both those guys for chelsea are fantastic players and we played some of homegrown kids away from home and no doubt hazard and oscar are at a different level.

Shahram {Ed003's Note - They do look very talented Shahram and work great with Mata,I dont think the issue is about how the young kids got to there respective teams but how it looks for the future,Powell cost money(damn wished I'd never said that ;) }

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Powell only cost 2 months of Hazards wage upfront.

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Ed im guessing your a Chelsea fan, you called hazard and Oscar youngsters, yes they are young but both have been capped by their countries several times, and cost around 30 million each so you expect them to be real quality (not saying they aren't) but I though Michael keane was brilliant tonight Powell too and a few others and one last thing didn't the team Chelsea have out tonight cost 159 million to construct or something like that? {Ed002's Note - The Ed is not a Chelsea fan.}

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31 Oct 2012 22:30:28
What a glorious performance tonight from the boys. The two lads in the middle at the back were awesome. We had the game won and Chicho played it to Nani to take it into the corner what does he do but run it towards the box and lose it Chelsea go up the other end and get a pen. Great game by Anderson just a pity it isn't 30 mins each half as the fat knacker was puffin like a steam train. Giggs showed how to play a whole second half and extra time basically walking. For team spirit 10/10 just up against better players in the end. Our first choice midfield couldn't live with them on Sunday so these kids were always going to struggle. Nothing to be ashamed of tonight brilliant performance well done lads. I AM KLOOT

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Powell is gonna be a star.

G.A.G.U.S

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This is far too positive to be the real KLOOT!

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Agree 100% with a kloot post, I need a lie down :)

GDS

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31 Oct 2012 22:27:30
SAF needs to go, bring in David moyes

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31 Oct 2012 22:25:28
1. Take a bow United reserves. Very nearly beat the Chelsea first team.

2. Away fans are the best in the country.

3. Powell is gonna be a star.

4. Hernandez is getting better and better. Great movement and build up play.

5. Anderson was superb and man of the match for me.

G.A.G.U.S

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Powell had glimses of real quality

marlow

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31 Oct 2012 22:24:21
The one thing we all took from this game was that Anderson was great today. He should play an important part for us going forward. Maybe now Fergie will play him as an attacking mid instead of a defensive. He is much more polished than Cleverly and should get more playing time.

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31 Oct 2012 23:25:04
Stick Anderson next to Cleverley in the diamond. Kagawa out Anderson in. Stick Rafael at left back and Valencia at right back. Jones in place of Carrick, Smalling in place of Rio and Vidic in place of Evans. Now that's a team. Pedro.

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31 Oct 2012 22:21:35
If i'd been offered the choice of the league or cup win, i'd have taken the league points every time, so not too disappointed. If Anderson can play like that for the rest of the season, he'll have a future at the the club and lastly, feel a bit sorry for Wootton, although i thought Keane was excellent.

fatfugazi

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31 Oct 2012 22:20:27
people saying Nani was good because he played a single good 1 2 for the goal. Every other time he ran into traffic, got caught on the ball and then commited a foul and misplaced a cross. Wake up!

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He lost the ball which led up to the 2nd penalty
Also despite all of woottons errors he still had a better game than nani

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31 Oct 2012 22:20:18
Apart from 2 glaring mistakes, decent performance from the reserves against chelseas big guns

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31 Oct 2012 22:12:35
well it took hazard and oscar to come on and get them the win, our youth and 2nd string can be proud of their performance.

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31 Oct 2012 22:09:26
Have to say the lads can really hold there heads high yes the defenders both should have walked but the game didnt need it! Brilliant from both clubs

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31 Oct 2012 22:05:42
I think if tonight has shown us 1 thing, it is who will make it at united and who more than likely will not.

M.keane will, wootton will not

Tunnicliffe will not
Powell will

Norts

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I think it's one game, give the lads a chance! Maybe get behind the youngsters instead of slagging them off.

You can't judge players so young in probably their first game against a top class opposition.

Tunners is only 19, Woottons just turned 21.

Red Joe

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I'm not a united fan but judging someone on one game is a little ridiculous.

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31 Oct 2012 21:59:28
Considering Chelsea had so many first team players on tonight we did really well. Keane was excellent as was Anderson and Hernandez.

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31 Oct 2012 21:51:00
Keane has been class tonight. Don't deserve to lose this one. Anderson also great. Still lacking some fitness.

Hilarious how serious Chelsea taking this though. Its basically their first team on the pitch.

Nozzla

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How's it hilarious how serious Chelsea are taking it? It is a competition that you want to win and I'm not a Chelsea fan.

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31 Oct 2012 21:47:33
is giggs gna play the full 120mins? shuda been subbed off earlier even though 1 of his better games

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31 Oct 2012 21:46:15
Welbeck has been terrible tonight everything about him has been just rubbish.

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Much prefer him to the shocking sturridge that people seem to enjoy comparing him to, the worst decision maker in the Premier League, following a close second is nani mind ;)

UnitedRUnited

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31 Oct 2012 21:40:27
I said it before and people laughed but Anderson is a better player than Cleverley. He has done better in every match he has played in than Cleverley yet doesn't start. I think there is a massive bias from SAF for local players. The same has happened with Hernandez and Welbeck, hopefully Hernandez will start more games now.

Dan

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Im not sure that many laughed, the only issue with anderson is keeping fit
jred

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Anderson has 10 times more potential than cleverley. Unfortunatly, unless he improves his fitness, Anderson will be second choice after cleverley. If he does, he could go on to become a much better player, and reach great heights.

Mick

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01 Nov 2012 00:13:55
Anderson can drive forward, pick a great pass, looks a threat when running with the ball and works his arse off before he runs out of steam, Cleverly as much as i want him to become great has left me unsure the last few times i have seen him play, great worker, can also play a fantastic pass or cross but i think he lacks the invention and guile to be a top class player, just my opinion. Cleverly still also 23 i know.

Nababs son :)

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31 Oct 2012 21:21:31
Dont give a s**t what other ppl think about anderson, he should get more game time and start ahead of cleverly

James

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I agree.. Anderson for me is a very useful attacking midfielder his passing is a lot quicker than cleverleys and he can puts ome deadly balls in to the front men which Clevs lacks.

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31 Oct 2012 21:21:02
Anderson really impressing me tonight.....Nani looking interested and dangerous! Ianskip

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31 Oct 2012 21:13:19
This game is just proof of what most say and think..... Anderson was ruined by Fergie he is a far far far more superior attacking midfielder than holding midfielder 3 assists tonight and has played very well. I just hope Fergie takes note of it and maybe gives him a chance in the first team instead of Cleverley who for me has been a little out if his depth.

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It is a shame he does not have the stamina for 90 minutes. Either it is a weight things or just that he just does not have the lungs for the epl.

Shahram

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31 Oct 2012 21:12:28
3 assists against a reasonably strong chelsea team. Fergie please take note

James

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31 Oct 2012 21:04:52
Nani's goal was freaking niiiccccceee!!

James

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31 Oct 2012 20:57:41
I swear Nani is absolutely shocking..... He is incapable of doing anything simple... He can not pass a ball 5 yards no matter beat the first man on a cross. This game is Chelsea's to take now as it was from the start they put out a much stronger team and stronger bench as a kind of retribution match.

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Besides the goal he is very poor. He is one of the most senior people on the pitch but no leadership. Giggs has been quite impressive.

Shahram

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31 Oct 2012 20:50:55
Buttner has been crap 2 games in a row, gave up pk today and was at fault for goal in Champions League. All of a sudden Evra doesn't look so bad, hopefully Fabio will be ready next year for us.

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I have maintained from the first time i saw him he was not good enough for us and a waste of 4.5 million. It is another bebe type purchase.

Really disappointed that we have conceded in the final 20 seconds. Nani is at fault as we were killing the game at their end and I have no idea why he tried to dribble through three defenders.

Powel also not very effective but very impressed with some of the other boys and proud of their performance.

Hope we bring on a right back as they are creating a lot of problems down the right for us.

I think Luiz might get sent off as hernandez is giving him all kind off problems.

Shahram

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Shahram
i think you could be right with buttner , defensively his been very poor , looks ok going forward but im not sure his united class.
powell wasnt great but i think he willl be a top player bit concerned about how deep he was at times today , not sure thats his game
jred

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We're trying to buy players on the cheap. Hence you get bebe tosic buttner Powell etc etc.
Saf pls stop buying rubbish players. Its costing us money and is totally false economy.
NoMidfield

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JRED he is just not good enough and there nothing there that you think if he gets more games to help him settle down he is the solution.

With Powel, it quite evident he is still very young and his positioning and awareness of being in the right place to influence the midfield and a controll things needs work.

I like Keane and think he will be there in the future.

I love Rafael, top top boy will start for Brazil in the world cup and developing into one of the best right backs in the world.

Shahram

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NoMidfield

Powel is not in that group but the rest I agree. Would prefer we spend on one quality player than 3 nothing players.

Shahram

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No midfield,

We are trying to buy cheap so you name 5 players purchased in the
last 4 years?

How about berbatov, van Persie Eric that we have bought in that time?

GDS

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I agree with u jred powell is being played too deep he looks most dangerous just outside the box

marlow

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Shahram
ive been impressed with keane , his a bit off our first team but looks like his got potential.
raf is improving all the time , must be one of the best young fb about.
powell from what ive seen could be special , im just worried we might try to turn him into something his not.
jred

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31 Oct 2012 20:30:27
Just a wee comment on the away support tonight.

Absolutely feckin brilliant!

StevieK

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Absolutely awesome.

Shahram

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A lot of utd fans in london

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31 Oct 2012 20:33:12
A good half but Buttner, Nani and Welbeck have been very very poor....... I am really loving Hernandez's form and Anderson is having a decent game... Giggs has been very good and the young pair at centre back have been very solid especially Keane.

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This is actually the best I've seen nani play all season. Hilarious Chelsea have had to put the 3 big guns on behind the striker when we have keane and wooton at the back, brilliant for the lads.

GDS

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Couldnt agree more GDS.... It shows how desperate they are for the win against us... I thought Keane played very well Wooton was very silly to do that.

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GDS you must be watching a different game he is absolute utter rubbish. Cost us the game and quite embarrassing to watch him do what he does in extra time.

Shahram

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Shahram,

My post was earlier in the game, I felt he had a good first half and then got worse and worse until he was dreadful. It was like he scored and thought his day was over.

GDS

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Thanks, he is just dumb. I posted he had costed us the game before knowing what the manager had said.

Given all the kids on the pitch you would think he would show some composure and see the game out for us, instead he does everything the opposite way. His resale value is going down the toilet at this rate and we might not even get 12 million for him.

Shahram

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31 Oct 2012 20:30:49
it's funny how ppl think buttner is miles ahead of evra when buttner is so so raw

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I wonder if all the same people will be shouting for him to start against arsenal
jred

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I don't more like miles behind.

Neither good enough for us.

Shahram

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31 Oct 2012 23:09:53
I would play Buttner ahead of Evra all day long, I think Buttner was bought for cover in the short term and long term. I think Baines will replace Evra in the summer. Evra and Fabio will fund the deal. Buttner is still young and very raw, but will be a decent understudy for Baines. Pal of mine believes we ran out of money during the summer to bring in Baines. RVP cost more than the manager predicted. Pedro

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31 Oct 2012 20:22:27
It might just be me as a united fan but when watching the penalty claim from moses doesn't it look like he is going don before there is any touch at all?? it looked as if Moses just dived onto Buttners tackle?

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It was a clear penalty and quite poor of a challenge.

Shahram

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31 Oct 2012 20:14:13
What si with Welbeck's touch? He is so bad with the ball at his feet.... He hasnt improved at all in that aspect of his game.

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Are you kidding?

GDS

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Gds
how do you think he played
jred

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Didn't think he was brilliant tonight, but bad first touch, I just think that's a joke. His first touch and control are fantastic and have improved ten fold in the last 2 years. Just seemed a silly thing to say. We were a lot worse when macheda came on, he will never be good enough.

GDS

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31 Oct 2012 19:56:11
Think Giggs is playing so that he can reach his 1000 games landmark.

DesiRed.

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31 Oct 2012 19:35:24
Can someone please explaine what were going to learn from playing giggs tonight? It seems that fergie is more interested in his apperance record then promoting our younger players.
I would much rather play a young player that needs big game experiance then a 38 year old with plenty of experiance in games like tonight so you can learn more about there characters.
This is why players like pogba get fustrated and want to leave.
What do you guys think?
G.N.G

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Giggs played well an was a good leader for th young lads tonite

marlow

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Giggs has been a legend and a great servant for us. Now its the club's time to show some loyalty and help him rach his 1000 or whatever goal he's trying to achieve as long as it doesnt affect our title quest.

Mick

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31 Oct 2012 19:18:57
Why is Giggs playing? Pointless.. he offers nothing to the team anymore let Powell or Petrucci have a game!

-JakeW

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Petrucci is out with broken rib/ribs


Munkydunc

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Petrucci didn't even make the bench, what is going on with the lad?

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I imagine he'll be first one subbed. Young looking bench...

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Would petrucci have scored that? Probably not because he's injured. Come on reds!

GDS

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He may of scored but he still shouldn't start over other players.

-JakeW

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31 Oct 2012 19:16:09
Am I the only person that thinks they should change one of the FA Cup or Capital One Cup to a Under 23 tournament with 2 overs allowed or something like that.... It would level out the playing field some what and make it more entertaining to see the youth coming through having some serious game time.

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I agree with doing it with the League Cup, especially for the big teams or ones in Europe, most of them use it for that anyway.

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We should play it like that, making it a rule we impose on ourselves. However a rule like that for everyone wouldn't work as smaller clubs as they see the CO Cup as a chance to progress in a national cup competition so would just make it only accessible to the big clubs again.

Welsh Dragon

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Maybe for Premier League teams only?? It would make it a lot more fun on all parts and as a united fan I would like to see Petrucci etc getting some time on the pitch.

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31 Oct 2012 19:13:58
I think we lost this as soon as we won at the weekend... It is clearly a vengeance match for Chelsea and we all knew they would end up playing stars like Mata just to prove a point but we were never gonna play Rooney and Co.... It is basically Chelseas chance to say HAHA in our faces after the game we won

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31 Oct 2012 17:43:55
My team for tonight..........

Ideally I would love to see Lingard,Petrucci,Tunniclife, King Henriquez etc but I just can't see it happening which gets me to a quick point if these players never had a chance of playing why didn't we send them out on loan... But anyway back to tonights game

-------------Lindegaard--------------

Vermijl--Wooton--Evans--Buttner

----------------Fletcher---------------

----------Powell---Anderson-------

Nani---------Chicharito-----Welbeck


Subs:Johnstone,Keane,Tunnicliffe,Lingard,Brady,Macheda

RedKnight

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They had a chance of playing if we were at home to Bradford. You would be the first to moan if we played them away at Chelsea and we got hammered 4-0!

We have been unlucky with the draw. If we win tonight (which I doubt we will) I would imagine there is a chance some of them lads will play in the quarter final ironically.

GDS

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I also think we are highly unlikely to win... I really could not care less about this cup, would much rather see the younger players in action, I think they deserve it and with them not going on loan atleast let them play today... Still not going to happen

RedKnight

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If were unlikely to win why not play the youngsters

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Because we at least have to give ourselves a chance rather than playing lads who aren't ready against a good Chelsea team.

GDS

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31 Oct 2012 14:53:11
Manchester United have reportedly made Porto winger James Rodriguez their top target to replace Nani next year.

Nani is edging closer to the exit door at Old Trafford, with Juventus believed to be preparing to make a move for the winger.

The 25-year-old, who has around eighteen months left on his contract at Old Trafford, has been linked with a move away from the club for some time, with Zenit St Petersburg still thought to be keen on signing him after failing to agree personal terms uring the summer.

United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is thought to be ready to offload the player as a result of his contract demands, as well as a reported bust-up with reserve team midfielder Davide Petrucci at the club's Carrington training ground recently.

And according to the Daily Star, Ferguson is keen on signing Rodriguez as a replacement for the winger.

Recent reports in Portugal and in South America have claimed that Rodriquez is on United's radar, however Ferguson last week insisted Porto's asking price would be too high.

Although he has recently hinted that he is open to a move to England, the Colombia international, who still has four years left on his contract at Porto, is valued at around £30million.

"As far as James Rodriguez is concerned, I hope it's not true because it costs a fortune to get a player from Porto," Ferguson joked to reporters last week.

Rodriguez was earlier been quoted as saying: "We all know that Manchester United are a great club.

"England is a great league but I'm thinking of Porto for now. We're having a good time and personally I'm feeling fine and focused on there."

Rodriguez or Nani? Who should United have on the wing next year? Have your say below!

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Nani. But I would say that, wouldn't I?

Percy

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Rodriguez,left wing, right wing,
attacking central far more versatile than nani AND better stats :)
--JEB--

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Rodriguez, young and left footed which would give us a threat from crosses on the left and right for once.

-JakeW

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If we want to sign Rodriguez for 30-35 million, then why not sign bale for the same amount, he's proven in premier league, provides backup to lb, can also play centrally.

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Muniain: better than both, 19 years old.

Mick

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I'd prefer Isco if I'm honest!

Andy!

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Bale would cost United far more than £30 million more like £50 million and I believe that Rodriguez may just be a much better player in our style Bale is too much like Valencia we need someone who has the skill and trickery with a good delivery and he is the man I rate him better than any left winger around the same age that I have seen in years.... Hazard and Rodriguez are head and shoulders above Muniain and Co..... Thorgan Hazard... Eden's brother is a sensational talent too and I hope he doesnt rot at Chelsea I think he could be even better than his elder brother.

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31 Oct 2012 14:29:26
WE ARE (AT MINIMUM) ONE OF THE TOP 3 TEAMS IN ENGLAND!!

any other than me thinking giggs/scholes/ferdinand is a bit overdue.

think of the replacements we could get
baines/bender/subotic

think of the guys weve got now!
tunniclife/petrucci?

i think fergie needs to have a chat with these guys, slowing down youth progresion and experience

i dont watch the youth team games but i hear sum of the young stars such as petrucci are amazing!!

squaddie-red

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Petrucci could be amazing but I don't think he is ready. I agree giggs needs to step down, no point bringing him on at the times we do anymore. What would we have done with rio this season, wooton isn't ready for the prem? Rio has lost a lot of pace but his positional awareness is still brilliant.

I still think scholes can do a job, he was perfect against 9 men on Sunday but for some reason we put giggs on, maybe fergie got confused which old man to put on!

GDS

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Petrucci is off to italy. He's not even in the squad to face chelsea. So unless he's given a chance he will be off to his homecountry.

Mick

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He's injured mick.

GDS

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Oh i didnt know that. Havent heard anything about it. Do you know if it's serious? Hopefully not becaus i think he has had enough injuries already.

Mick

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Just a broken rib or two I believe, maybe someone could confirm that though.

GDS

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31 Oct 2012 14:21:01
Guys, Fergie has said the team that played Newcastle will play tonight!
MUFC19

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It will be similar, but not the same.

Sydney!

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No he didnt.

Mick

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31 Oct 2012 13:32:14
Guys,who will you like to be on today?
What happened to henrique?Is he not yet ripe for our attack?

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Since he played last night, and i think Macheda being older and more physically ready would edge him(Macheda wasnt at yesterdays friendly).

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31 Oct 2012 13:24:38
whats the funniest partnerships names people have heard?

eg, fatman and robin, ruud rooney...?

mine has to be young bent and keane for villa..

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Messi Villa?
DJ

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Sorry mate - don't get it - why is "young bent and keane" funny ?

Mike

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Young Bent and Keane is a class one I have never thought of that..... Top marks for you my friend.

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Who's keane?
Campian

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Mike,

How old are you? Did you used to be called Simon?

GDS

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Campian : robbie keane back in his vill days. Young, bent and keane: this is quality lol.

Mick

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It is when Ashley Young, Darren Bent and Robbie Keane played for Aston Villa and then you read there surnames out in that order it sounds like you are describing a young gentleman that may have feelings for the same sex and is very randy......

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It doesn't actually work because young, bent and keane never played for villa at the same time. Bent and keane did at spurs and villa though. And young and bent at villa.

GDS

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31 Oct 2012 12:27:16
"IBleedBlue" - Hmmmm.....

CJ

Ibleedblue is Nike's campain for the Indian cricket team, that guy is not a chelsea or city fan i guess.

DJ

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I thought the same thing yesterday, glad someone cleared it up lol...

JK92

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Haha, cheers
DJ

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31 Oct 2012 12:25:16
Heard that RVP, Rooney and Rio not in the Squad tonight which I can't say I'm surprised about.

Don't think Smalling will play so out of necessity I think Carrick will play at CB again.

With this in mind the team I would go for is this:

_____________ De Gea
Valencia__Wootton__Carrick__Buttner
_______Tunnicliffe__Anderson
__Nani________Powell________Brady
_____________Welbeck

I would't be that fussed if it was the back 4 that played against Newcastle in the League Cup though either:

Vermijl__Wootton__Keane__Buttner

If Fletcher is fit then I imagine he'd go in instead of Tunnicliffe but I would love to see Tunnicliffe in there as he gives energy and loves a tackle, he can also play! I really do rate this kid and hope he get's an opportunity.

Ports

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31 Oct 2012 11:57:43
de Gea, Lindegaard, Johnstone, Rafael, Evans, Keane, Buttner, Valencia, Anderson, Nani, Carrick, Cleverley, Fletcher, Powell, Scholes, Cole,Lingard, Vermijil, Tunnicliffe, Hernandez, Welbeck, Macheda, King.

squad for tonight
jred

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I would play 433.

lindegaard
keane evans carrick buttner
cleverley fletcher anderson
nani hernadez welbeck

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Expected to see one or both of Jones and Smalling. It's very strange that they are not participating in this game. I expected Smalling to play RB so I guess it will be Vermijl instead. I hope the line-up isn't too youthful as I expect Hazard & Co to play.

Sydney!

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Syd cant see hazard playing moses, bertrand,romeu marin all need games strurridge instead of torres as well imo
jred {Ed002's Note - Piazon is expected to start.}

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Turnbull
Azplilicueta
Ferreira
Cahill
Bertrand
Romeu
Ramires
Marin
Piazon
Moses
Sturridge

I think this will be the team, but expect to see Hazard and Co play a part.

Sydney!

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----------------Anders
Vermijl---- Keane------Evans---Butts

l-----Fletcher-----Anderson
--- Nani,-------powell --------Welbeck,

---------------Hernandez
jred

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- --------------De Gea-----------------
Vermijl-Wootton-Keane/Smalling--Buttner
---------------Fletcher-----------------
Tunnicliffe/Scholes----Anderson
-------- Nani--------Welbeck--------Powell

I expect Saf to decide at the last moment if Smalling can start if not bench. Ando should definitely get chance(deservedly so, his performance against Newcastle), prolly Fletcher will also get a good run. I hope Tunncliffe plays but than SAF might put Scholes in there. Powell will definitely start and so will Nani(Young(he did well against Arsenal last time) and Valencia will be kept for Arsenal game. So should Chicarito play against Arsenal.
From Chelsea we should be vary of Ramires, Piazon and Marin, they might make it difficult for us.

Red Samurai

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Jred - did u miss out on wootton or is he not in the squad?

Roane

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I heard his not in the squad
jred

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31 Oct 2012 11:25:32
So who is better sven or lars ?

Jamie9

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For us, i guess lars
DJ

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Lars I believe.

MPez

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31 Oct 2012 13:01:08
Lars.

Whistler

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Both are good players, i have seen sven play at club level and he looks good, only seen lars at international level..

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I beleive Lars is a better player. Sven is more defensive minded, he is a typical defensive midfielder. He rarely joins the attack.

Lars has a better all rounded game. He often joins the attack but stays back and plays a more disciplined role when asked to. He is better with the ball and what you call call aan all action midfielder, a bit like arturo vidal. He is also a year younger.

So all in all i think lars is better but sven is more disciplined, and sven can also play as a cd.

Mick

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31 Oct 2012 10:55:52
As long we get Smalling, Vida and Jones back quickly, I dont think there is any need for a new CB in January.
Furthermore I really question the need for a new CM when we have Ando.
Why does everyone slate Anderson!?!
Everytime the guy plays he brings so much energy and dynamism to the midfield. At the start of last season he seemed to have found his scoring boots, and looked like he could become a great, only to be setback yet again by injury.

Already this season, in the small cameo's he has made for us, you can see how good he is on the ball, and for a fat guy, he is extremely quick with and without the ball, and very strong.

If he shed maybe half a stone, and played regularly, and didnt pick up any injuries, he could turn out to be a world beater.
But he needs to be given the chance.

How can you slate somebody that doesn't even get a game and when he does play, he plays very well!

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What? Given a chance to lose weight?! He's had five years to show what he can do ... Nothing!
RedSince68

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I have always rated Anderson. His first season for us he was brilliant. But when Hargreaves got injured Anderson became more of a CM/DM as opposed to a CAM which he played at Porto. I do think now that Kagawa is injured that Anderson and Cleverley should be played in midfield with FLetcher as a holding player and rotate him with Carrick and give Powell and Petrucci some chance off the bench.

Mad Hatter

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31 Oct 2012 06:12:16
I hope we can go for someone like Strootman or Fellaini in winter for CM and then let Anderson go,and i still also believe that we need a CB in the fold of Ryan Shawcross or Matt Hummels or Neven Subotic...,And then let Nani stay for currently we need him especially wen he comes in as a second half substitute he has been effective and lastly we can sell Bebe and Macheda........,then i believe we will be home and dry

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It's not fifa

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31 Oct 2012 03:46:56
The rumors about Lars Bender are gathering a bit of pace, don't know anything about the kid and have only seen him play with Zee Germans once or twice...but am I right in saying he can play right back as well as midfield? If so it ticks a few boxes that SAF always likes to tick....young, can cover two positions and won't cost the earth! Can anyone tell me a bit more about him?

Andy!

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31 Oct 2012 09:35:12
Has anyone been watching Bebe?
How has he been this season?
Anyone ?

Roane

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Nani is quoted as saying, "he's brilliant in training......Bebe fetches every ball I kick over the fence while practicing free kicks".

Fergie's tried him in two new positions.

1) Sweeper (of the changing rooms)
2) Left back ( in Portugal 3rd Div)

Joking apart he played ok in Pre-season trying to get a move. He's also played a few times at Moss Lane with the U21's.
I don't know what Carlos Q saw in him.

Bad touch & runs like Forest Gump.
Even Walcott has a better cross.

Hate to say this about a United player BUT.... what a mistak..a to make..a!

P.S Let's hope Liverpool make a bid between 15-20m. They do like buying rubbish wingers Downing & Henderson.

TJ

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He has made some improvement but the fact is that he is still been outshone in the reserves by players 2-3 years his junior. He is still a long long way from first team quality IMO and others in the reserves will get there before him (if SAF gives them a chance, that is)

TK-Red

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31 Oct 2012 02:46:02
Can anyone tell me about Tom Lawrence's potential. He never seems to get spoken about when there are posts about reserves but seems to crop up with some spectacular goals.

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W.Keane, Henriquez & Wilson in his way.

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