Manchester United Banter Archive October 31 2014

31 Oct 2014 18:01:13
I guess for all the LVG can do no wrongs fans you also need to take his words andyou need to holster you opinion of fellaini. " when he is first I will play him" he has and a lot of injuries that sounds familiar :)

I guess he is not some league one player as would have you believe :)

When he is fit that is suppose to say

Well
Im confused.

01 Nov 2014 00:44:47
Yeah not really sure why you're trying to say but there are far to many negative nelly's out there!

If Fellaini plays it'll be down to his form which you can't argue has been terrific.

So many people here slag this guy off because he was Moyes buy and Came from Everton. He was pretty much injured all of last year with something and looks like he is finally healthy and has been our best players the last 2 games.

The point is he is so much better than some here make him out to be.

Boom, Exactly my feelings Gcu, always thought fellaini will be really useful once hets trained to united standard.

Van gaals coaching has helped him a bit and he will onlu improve and be a useful player for years to come.

Fellaini is effective in and around the box not running in midfield. The difference this season is that LvG is not worried about using him in the areas where he is most effective. Playing off the front he has amazing close chest control that means he gets quick control of the ball in tight areas. If we play him as a holding central midfield player he is too slow and not agile enough but play to his strengths and as in the last couple of games, he can contribution to make. Against Chelsea he did push up into those areas, just don't rely upon him in a central midfield of two.

I put it down to our midfield being 10 yards up the pitch partly because we have blind and partly because were no longer sitting deep like under moyes also we have a lot more possession. Because he's more box to box and has someone covering he's a lot better

Fellani is good in a midfield three or the diamond where he can have a free role not box to box or defensive or attacking a free role where he can be everywhere

Fellaini's style of play suits long ball football. It's not a style of football I'd usually associate with Manchester United and thus I've said int he past that whilst he's a good player; he's not a Manchester United player. Apparently, however, hoofing the ball up to the big man now constitutes 'attacking football'.

Good on Fellaini though. He's done what's been asked of him and has been our best player over the past 120 minutes for sure.

LvG thinks Fellaini is so good, that he tried to offload him to Napoli in the summer :)

01 Nov 2014 11:31:53
Haha this is true Syd.

Red Man, Fellaini was very effective running in midfield against Chelsea and in particular, Matic and Fabregas. Closed them down and gave them hardly any time on the ball that's kind of why he was picked as MOTM for most fans.

Fellaini played well I thought he would, and he is very useful for tight games as he helps create space and sucks defenders in. He is a liability in midfield though due to lack of pace and crazy arms, Fabregas & Matic lack pace and aren't the most energetic of midfielders so Fellaini was ideal for that game - plus we needed some aerial ability which RVP benefited from for the goal.

He needs to have a free role and sharpness around him to ensure he is worth the change in style. That said our CB's are useless with the ball and they have been hoofing it a lot anyway, so it fits at the minute. I hope he continues in this manner, he did have some good games last season (Crystal Palace I remember especially), he also did well when he came on against Valencia pre-season despite the horrendous treatment he received from our fans.

Fellaini is being utilised by LVG because he is willing to give any player a chance for the benefit of the team. i am sure Fellaini has worked hard in training as shaw had to in order to reach the standards of fitness LVG demands.
He has done the same with CD through injuries.let's not kid ourselves though that he will not look to buy in Jan/summer windows to improve on Fellaini.

It would seem lvg wanted to sell fellaini but he also wanted to play 3-5-2

Sydney

Is that another from the papers or a fact. we were sos supposedly in for almost 50 players given the amount of money we ended up spending, i doubt we were in for a the players linked to us because money talks and we sure had a lot to splash around.

BTW fellaini did the best marking job i have seen on febregas against chelsea and no one was hoofing the ball up to him. Some of you guys just talk nonsense to suit your argument.

I reckon he will be a regular starter for us when healthy.

Sydney

Is that another from the papers or a fact. we were sos supposedly in for almost 50 players given the amount of money we ended up spending, i doubt we were in for a the players linked to us because money talks and we sure had a lot to splash around.

BTW fellaini did the best marking job i have seen on febregas against chelsea and no one was hoofing the ball up to him. Some of you guys just talk nonsense to suit your argument.

I reckon he will be a regular starter for us when healthy.

GCU

So if Fellaini is a regular starter for you when fit, do you really think he is the answer in our central midfield? Or do you, like I, think LvG will buy someone more mobile to command the middle of the park?

He is a good player great sub but i would replace him with Herrera and buy a Carvalho/Strootman like player to replace Blind

Cant see Fellaini being a regular starter, no secret that lvg will try to sign strootman. So I see herrera partnering strootman while blind being a good versatile squad player and Fellaini coming on as an impact sub.

31 Oct 2014 14:06:01
So I've seen a lot of things posted about LVG and how he's all of a sudden not the right man for us.

Firstly, Beast said down below, in a reply to a post that LVG has left the Holland team in a mess and therefore could do the same to us.

What planet are you on mate?

You don't have a squad in international football, you pick 23 players depending on how they've played that month. You don't build teams in international football the same way you do in club football.

Hiddink has done 'okay' at best, but he's always been an 'okay' manager, not a great manager, he's employed new tactics and the dutch squad have lost a manager that they all appeared to love.

So that comparison is ridiculous imo.

So let's talk LVG in general.

- We'll start with the squad, we're looking pretty top heavy, and out back 4 is incredibly shaky.

Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Blackett are all very inexperienced defenders, either because of age or a stop start injury career.

Evans and Rojo are the only 2 with any kind of experience, and both have never been leaders.

We're evidently missing that leadership character that Vidic and Rio bought us, we'll get that character either in the summer or on January.

The midfield imo is looking good, I think Herrera would get into most sides as would Blind.

Going forward people have started to complain about RVP and I understand the frustrations, but this guy, when on form is incredible and having some faith in somebody who is known as one of the best forwards in the world isn't exactly a stupid thing to do is it.

Yes, we have Falcao who could do a job, but we need to assess his fitness at the moment, he's looked good when he's played but you can't rush a player back from a huge injury in a new and physical league.

Di Maria has of course been brilliant and imo is only second to Silva as the best player in the EPL.

I don't really get the Mata hate, he's got a forward in front of him who isn't making forward runs anymore, he's got a midfield without Herrera that sits deep so therefore, like Carrick and Cleverley before him, his only option is to go out wide to Di Maria and/or Januzaj.

We're also expecting him to defend now? what? where has that come from? - so because he's not creating goals he's got to do something he's never done and defend?

If we got rid of Mata i'd be absolutely gutted, 2 years ago he was the best playmaker in world football, only comparable with Ozil and Iniesta and now he's terrible?

People have used the 'Well Mourinho sold him for a reason' excuse, and that he did. and that reason was because Mourinho is a defensive minded coach who likes his players to have defensive discipline. Something Mata doesn't have.

Lets not forget that Mourinho waited until after the United game to sell him to us, nobody wants Mata playing against them. the guys a game changer.

- Signings, or lack of?

So, this summer we signed 6 players - Herrera, Shaw, Falcao, Blind, Rojo and Di Maria.

Herrera (potential to be a terrific player)
Shaw (potential to be world class)
Di Maria (world class)
Blind (solid, not spectacular)
Rojo (potential to be a very dominant player)
Falcao (world class)

To me, the signings we made were spot on.

Had we also signed Verm, Hummels, etc. I think we'd be looking solid at the back. They didn't want to come, not much we can do about that.

If we had signed a Vidal, Gundogan or Strootman (all 3 with major injury concerns), then we would have looked pretty much perfect, perhaps maybe lacking a winger.

Philosophy?

I think people have got LVG's philosophy confused with his tactics. LVG has a philosophy of attacking football, keeping the ball on the floor and playing total football, at times in his career, especially at the WC he had to abandon that philosophy to win.

LVG has yet to give up on it at United and we've been playing some attacking, fluid football which I've really enjoyed watching.


The system is of course slightly different. He tried 3-5-2 and it wasn't working, after a trial and error period he looked at a different system, we've got a weak defence and he tried to reinforce it, with signings and numbers which could have worked really well if we were playing teams with 2 upfront, against 1 forward it doesn't really work well at all.

He moved to the 4-4-2 diamond which has been very effective, unfortunately we lost Rooney and Herrera so the last 2 games we've been playing 4-3-3, which hasn't been bad at all.

I really can't complain about the tactical set up.

I do want to get one thing clear though, LVG is not a flawless manager, even at his age he's still learning - a lot of us expected him to walk in and transform us into Barcelona or Bayern, that was never going to happen.

Lets talk about the long term plan as well.

A lot of talk has been surrounding the 'the club went short term not long term'.

Firstly, LVG may sign a new deal, be here for 8 years and be brilliant. Then again he may not, so let's look at what we know so far.

The future is always the youth, right?

In the LEAGUE this year, we've given debuts to; Tyler Blackett, Jesse Lingard, Paddy McNair and Tom Thorpe.

In the league cup we've given debuts too; aidy Janko, Andreas Periera and Reece James.

out of those 8, I'd expect 3 or 4 to have a future at the club in some capacity, depending development.

He's also helped Januzaj by giving him rest and playing him in big games, to me he looks to be handling him well. and given extra game time to the likes of Wilson.

Shaw has also come in and once again is a young player with a big future if he keeps developing well.

Looking at the 'future' and of course assuming these players develop to an acceptable standard then it looks we've got a good crop of teens as well as young players like DDG, Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Rafael, Herrera, Blind, etc. and those who will be entering their twilights in about 4 or 5 years - Di Maria, Falcao, Mata, Rooney, etc.

Accompany all this with a few new signings over the next few years and our squad will look quite promising. (*Note, I haven't even mentioned the likes of Dimitri Mitchell who's not currently near the first team but looks to have a future*)

in terms of what he's doing with the clubs structure;
- He's changed the youth set up, incorporating the same tactics and belief as the first team squad.

- He's changed around the coaching, and most likely implemented new routines.

- We've got a new scouting set up, the 3rd in 2 years, with recognized and trusted scouts like Marcel Bout taking over the reigns.

and, in my opinion the biggest thing about our future is the man likely to take over from LVG, Ryan Giggs.

Lets just look at it briefly, he's worked under the mastermind of Sir Alex for decades, really looking at how to manage his players more than anything.

He's worked with Managers of talent but not reputation like Terry Yorath in the Wales set up. - a severely under-rated manager who done a lot of the Wales National team.

He's taken the good at the bad from Moyes, the good being the dedication to hard work and perhaps the bad being the man management, lack of ego control and offensive tactics.

And now he's working under LVG, a man who's walked out on clubs, bought success to the most unlikely and won a lot during his tenure in football.

Lets not forget coaches like; Mike Phelan, Carlos Quiroz, rene meulensteen, Steve McClaren, etc.

if Giggs has really taken things on board, then he should be set to go as a great top flight manager.

So what I'm saying here is that LVG has set up our youth to have a future, he's redesigned out scouting and youth coaching networks and he's also helping to develop and promising young coach.

I also want to say one final thing about Van Gaal.

Van Gaal has walked away from clubs, he's had big fall outs, a lot has happened in his career, some things he was right for and others he was wrong for. I don't know an awful lot about what happened at Munich but I do know he was right to walk out at Barcelona after Rivaldo was given ridiculous power (similar to what Messi has now).

My point is really simple, a lot of managers do stupid things, a lot of managers do great things as well, Van Gaal is no exception to that. Mourinho pokes coaches in the eyes, Sir Alex lost our great owners over a horse, etc.

So let's get behind what LVG is doing right instead of the rubbish like; he walked out on Barcelona, Bayern, etc. he falls out with everyone, bla bla bla.

None of that matters, what matters is the here and now, the potential future we can have, etc. He's done some terrific things for clubs and hopefully he'll do that here, if not, then he'll move on and we'll rebuild again.

We're not in a bad position at all, so let's all cheer up, realize we're not doing badly this season and things will get better as the months go on.

We've got some tough games coming up and we're not playing poorly.

Get that defence sorted, stop leaking goals and I think we'll be in for league contention next season.

Have a great weekend guys.

Jose - First 3/4's of the post we are just on different sides, so I won't waste peoples time going over my rebuttal to your points as I have made them consistently in recent days and you know what I think. Most of the last quarter I agree with, we all support the team and the manager when we play, I wouldn't boo him at the game for example, I don't like Rooney but I still cheer him on when he wears the shirt.

One thing on the Dutch point asking what planet I am on. Well he harps on about his philosophy, changing the mentality and approach of the players, not specifically tactics etc, so the second he leaves his philosophy stands for nothing? What is the point in building a whole club around his philosophy if it can just be turned upside down in a game or two with a new manager with new ideas, or does his philosophy change from International football to club football, I don't remember hearing that but most of what he says is double-Dutch to me?

I'm sick of all the double standards. I hope he can turn it around and let's see where we are after 18 games. I'll leave off the LVG bashing now for another couple of months and see where we are then. All the best.

Interesting opinions, I hope u are right about our future. Would be nice if Giggs could become such a coach. The weekend will be great when we silence our neighbours!

Beast
If i'm honest its the double standards that get on my Victoria sponge cakes

Good effort ed

Good post and I am happy to support LVG. As has been said, no one has suggested he should be sacked. However, I've not seen any tactical genius yet and with better players and weaker opposition we are no better off than the same stage last year.

Yes we gave debuts to young players in the League Cup and we lost 4-0 to a league 2 side. How can you not complain about tactics? We have played 2 strikers and a number 10 and been outnumbered in midfield. No wonder Blind is getting stick, he is doing the job of 2 players.

I think all of us were expecting us to have more points by now. We have lost to teams we should have beat and rarely looked in control for extended periods. Let's give the guy a break and support him, but let's not pretend we can see things that aren't there. We have Beast at 1 end of the spectrum and some at the other. I suspect most posters are in the middle - supporting LVG and wanting him to well but not getting carried away just yet.

Jose

I agree with much of your post but not about Giggs. I believe it would be a major risk and mistake to appoint him after LvG especially when there is so much at stake. Being a manager is different to a coach and Giggs has a huge learning curve in the likely short, in relative terms, time he has with LvG in charge. Personally I believe we should be lining up the next manager now, a Klopp or Pep for 2016.

31 Oct 2014 10:53:40
When LVG signed for us, most people were happy as he had a proven track record of winning titles and bringing youth through. he has the CV that 100% of people wanted 12 months ago and the arrogance to be the manager of our great club. after the start we had a lot of people are questioning his ability to make us great again. i think the job he did at the world cup was unbelievable with the squad he had as most people in holland didn't expect them to make it out of the group. as a national team manager you can't just buy more players to suit your system, you need to do the best with what u have and utilise the right tactics, they may not have been the prettiest footballing team at the world cup but they sure were effective. look how much they are struggling now with guss hiddink in charge

since he has been in charge at united, he has bought in 2 world class players in di maria and falcao and and 4 others, that's 5 or 6 new players into our starting 11 each week. its very hard to have chemistry after 3 months together but some of the attacking football we have played has been the best i have seen in a few years. people point to the start of the season that southampton have had but thern you can also say that tottenham had a season like ours has started last year trying to integrate so many new players. yes, defensively we have not been the best but i would rather him wait to buy the right defensive players he wants rather then panic buying and it costing us more in the long run. if we can get a settled back 4 as i think he has not been able to start with the same 4 once this season, we will start to look better at the back.

i think we are on the right track now after an awful season last year, it may not be a perfect season for us but i'm sure we will make the top 4, strengthen our squad and have a really good crack at the title next season. our job as fans is to continually support our club through thick and thin, we have had an unbelievable 20 years, have been spoilt with success, now is our time to give back.

Darv- I just want to address a few points from my perspective.

1. The Dutch were very very lucky and terrible to watch during the World Cup, aside from a spell where Spain imploded, just before and after half time, (which can happen to anyone look at Bayern V Madrid last season).

2. LVG has been hired to rebuild and then allow somebody to take over and continue that process at our club, fair enough - the state of the Dutch national team now does not bode well for us if that is his remit does it? (it cuts both ways if you want to say the Dutch are now rubbish then surely he has failed at that fundamental aspect of why he was hired for us).

3. Tottenham did struggle with the integration, what happened to AVB? They also lost their star man and replaced him with mid-level players what was their net spend? We have invested in the wrong areas and not replaced what was needed, (CB & Midfield General). Remember Falcao isn't even included in the transfer figures really.

4. The attacking football against QPR & Leicester (first half) was very good, wouldn't you expect that from most teams against newly promoted teams? We have been pretty impotent aside from that if you ask me, I don't see this free flowing attacking football that people seem to be imagining, there have been glimpses for sure, but we are miles away from a typical Man Utd attacking team at the moment.

Everyone wants us to do well and win every game, I agree we should definitely achieve top 4, but I don't think we are on the right track yet. I think we keep bouncing around all over the place still, hopefully it clicks soon, but the start has been hopeless and LVG is to blame pure and simple. If he was on a temporary contract it would not be renewed, nobody expected this start and trying to excuse it is just weak imo.

Last season taught us an important lesson that we should not blindly hope for things to get better in the long term but also take the short term seriously. I am all for supporting the manager and have supported even Moyes last year, but there is nothing wrong in constructive criticism and having an unbiased view of the job Van Gaal has done so far.

He did a great job at WC for Holland. He was terrific in his first stint at Ajax. Apart from that its sketchy and a bit hit and miss with some spectacular falling outs in his previous record.But I really don't care what he has done previously, I care about what he is doing since he has taken over.

The pre season and summer strategy in the market was completely based on playing a 3 at the back and buying players suited to that and he only changed that when he realized it wasn't working, hence the hasty purchases late in the market and our pre season has hence become redundant and we have started from zero since september. We chased Vermaelen who is average to play as a left center back and when that didn't happen Rojo was brought in as second choice. Rojo is a good left back, but as a center back he is average at best IMO, he has a terrible disciplinary record playing in that position, his heading ability is very suspect and he never clears the ball far enough. Yet we spent so much on him and are now playing him in a back 2.

Daley Blind is good at distribution and does add something as a squad player to cover a number of areas but is far too reliant on his left foot to be a proper central midfielder and it prevents us from playing the full back to central midfielder to winger quick triangle which converts defense into attack. Also it means we constantly play through the left side of the field and are not sufficiently switching play to pull defenders out of position. We hardly gave Di Maria the ball when he played on the right against Chelsea and only in the last ten minutes when he switched flanks did we see something happen. Overall, even at this age, IMO Carrick is far superior to Blind in that position and has better positional discipline.

Falcao was a great striker yet is a risk and hasn't shone yet due to injury and our persistence with RVP. To get the best out of Falcao he needs a consistent run of games as the focal point of attack with Rooney behind him.

Rojo and Blind to me are expensive squad players in the long term and Falcao was a signing that wasn't in a position we needed, but is still a world class player. Yet we haven't addressed the most immediate needs of the squad with sufficient quality even after spending so much, and that worries me.

We have an over reliance on Di Maria's individual brilliance to break open a game for us, and when he is having an off day we look no different than Moyes' side last year. Slow build up, get it out wide, put in a cross and hope something happens. I haven't seen any training ground patterns of play implemented as well.

The lesser said about the defensive organization the better although injuries haven't helped.

There are positives in that Van Gaal has given the youngsters a chance and Blackett has done well and at least he has changed the back 3 and has bought a world class talent in Di Maria which has added much needed pace.

Overall though, its been mismanagement IMO and we are one injury to Di Maria away from looking the same laboured side that we were in the second half of last season.

He needs time though to organize the team, and I will only start to worry if we are not in the Champions league places by the end of January

31 Oct 2014 13:37:10
Beast lvgs remit at the world cup was to do as well as possible. He finished 3rd. Along the way he beat the reigning champions, a team most had as dark horses, a team that beat England and the hosts. Apart from some of his players bottling the shootout against Argentina he could have been runner up.

And he left behind a good Dutch squad with a core of experienced older players and promising youth. He did after all blood the likes of de vrij, martins Indi, clasie and depay in an international tournament. Ok hiddink has lost a few to injuries but he's been useless. Van gaal wouldn't have lost to Iceland.

Regards United and transfer. Left back was our overwhelming priority according to most people. Sorted. A high energy quick tempo midfielder was second according to most people. Sorted. Although the credit for Shaw and Herrera must go to Woodward and Moyes that was two problems sorted quickly. Rojo and Blind yes good squad players and will do a job. But are you saying you would have turned down di Maria and falcao? Genuine world class players. We needed di Maria because a major failure of ours last season was we couldn't attack with pace. Our only attacking players with pace were also the two with limited end product: Welbeck and nani both of whom were shipped out. Di Maria has pace and product. As for falcao, yes its a gamble. But its well known van persie is injury prone and off form and Rooney has dry spells in between rich veins of goal scoring. Bring in a world class goal scorer? Makes sense.

Lastly yes we know we needed a midfield general and commanding centre half. Well it seems he wants to wait for strootman for the former or Vidal to sort himself out. Secondly he submitted his list of targets to Woodward. Hummels wasn't interested, benatia wanted Bayern and Wenger refused to discuss vermaelen. Apart from garay, who moyes passed on as well, who else was available?

MrE - Yes if you look at where the Netherlands finished it was without doubt a success, that isn't going to be questioned by anybody. But they were lucky beyond words against Mexico, they didn't perform well at all aside from a brief spell during the Spanish game (Utd V Leicester comparison). He talks up a beautiful attacking style, in all honesty did you see that during the World Cup, I certainly didn't, is that what he is aiming for? He is playing the same formation pretty much for us now, WBA & Chelsea, we didn't create much at all and we rely on our version of Robben too much in ADM. So yes he did a good job at Holland with the players at his disposal if you look purely at the result, but let's apply that to the players at his disposal now, is he doing a good job?

Hiddink is a good manager, the handover hasn't happened for whatever reason. I could argue SAF would have beaten Burnley, Swansea, Sunderland, WBA, Leicester, in fact I think Moyes would have gotten better results - so saying LVG would beat Iceland is kind of irrelevant unless you want to open up a can of worms about who could do better than LVG with this Utd team (a computer picking the team on stats alone would do better imo).

Di Maria & Falcao are great signings, I haven't said otherwise in my post - however they were not the priority. Money talks at the moment, if we had offered enough we could sign any CB in the world pretty much. £40-£45m for Hummels and he would have been ours imo, Pique would have been gettable as well, likewise with many other quality CB's, but because we paid over the odds for Herrera, Shaw, Fellaini, Mata, ADM, Rojo, Blind it kind of needed reining in a bit, just my personal view but LVG spent too much time on Vermaelen and didn't understand how injury prone we are at the back for some crazy reason - why was that allowed to happen?

We are on the same page in terms of our signings and yes a LB was crucial and Shaw will prove to be a good signing.

There are so many excuses being made for him it is unfathomable. Injuries, squad integration, no experience, new systems, bad confidence/form from last season, players he wants not being available, wage problems, new training methods, players unfit/suspended, etc.

All of this is avoidable, it as Redfaith says, total mismanagement. He has done some good things no doubt, but not the core things he is paid to do.

Whether you like him as a person or not, his performance has been below par and he needs calling up on it, pre-season was a joke. I actually heard people on the radio today saying that our game against City carries no pressure for LVG as everybody expects us to get beaten. That embarrasses me and makes me question how much rope this guy is being given by the masses.

{Ed007's Note - I vaguely remember you talking about this when LVG was first announced, Beast, and I shared a lot of your concerns, use the search function and enter 06 Jul 2014 17:30:11 for a recap. At least people can't accuse you of being fickle, you've made your feelings very clear from the start.}

Apart from beast i have not seen a single post that says lvg should be sacked. And i having a feeling even he would say he was a bit rash.
(Or maybe not)
I haven't seen a single post that has said lvg will fail at united.
What i have seen is a lot of discussing about.
Moyes v lvg.
Lvg tactics.
How good a manager he really his .
Lvg performance after 9 games .
Lvg history.
For a few week this site was very quite its come to life a bit of late.

Redfaith good post imo i have a very similar view point.
When fergy was going to leave around 2002 lvg and lippi would of been my first choice .
Lvg had just done a great job at ajax and good job at barcelona, but since then i think he has had a lot of ups and downs .
Infact more downs than ups.
I think we have a good squad i think this team is capable of winning things.

As much as I agree with what beast is saying about Lvg we all know track records mean nothing his mention of Pique as a potential centre back option mistifies me he is currently no better than what we have got

Ed 007 - Thanks for that, yes I started to get worried very quickly and I appreciate your reminding people that I called this a while ago.

Jred - Yes I agree my comment about sacking LVG could seem rash being reasonable - if we are being fair he does need a bit more time, but to me it's like putting my money on green playing Roulette - you are going to lose eventually. I just think we are backing the wrong horse and I want him to buck his ideas up sharpish. I wish our fans would stop looking for excuses for him, he sits at a press conference like King Tut, yet he should be ashamed to show his face imo.

Back him on the field, but crucify him on here if we think he isn't doing a good enough job. I don't see how lying to ourselves is going to make us feel better, it's denial at the minute pure and simple. When it was going right for Moyes I pitied him as he was so out of his depth, with LVG I feel no sympathy just frustration and contempt.

I appreciate some supporters would go to war for our manager, but this guy hasn't done anything to justify that kind of support yet - the exact opposite in fact, (where is that cyanide pill)!

31 Oct 2014 16:52:33
Beast hummels didn't want to leave Dortmund, it doesn't matter if we offered 25, 35 or 45 million to Dortmund, they would have took 35, but hummels had no interest in moving to united. He did have interest in going to Barcelona but it never happened. If he has no interest in coming to us how does keep upping bids fo his club get him.

Pique is overrated in my opinion.

I explained the rest in my post but one questions.

Nani or di Maria?

I get you don't like the manager but your stuck with for the foreseeable and we're just going round in circles. Leave it till January and let's see whos wrong and whos right

Mre
Money talks why do u think falcao and di maria are at united

31 Oct 2014 21:57:57
Di Maria was made available and only us and Paris were interested, they couldn't close the deal so what options did he have. Same with falcao, Monaco needed his wages gone and noone else was interested. Hummels however wasn't made available nor was he interested in moving. Sure silly money could have got both Dortmund and him interested but how high do you go.