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03 Jul 2013 23:05:59
I just get this feeling that we won't sign Thiago. Hopefully I'm wrong. Still keeping my fingers and toes crossed.
May Moyes be as successful as Fergie. Hear hoping and getting behind our new manager!
Mad Hatter
03 Jul 2013 22:32:57
Rooney to leave united for a fresh start with him saying he would prefer to join a team in England because of his family. He sees Chelsea as contenders. Will dig for more info. Have contacts in performance analysis!
He's big he's fat he acts like a spoilt brat. He's Wayne Rooney.
Mad Hatter
03 Jul 2013 21:47:48
If Rooney doesn't want to play for Manchester United anymore and has his heart set on leaving he needs to be sold straight away!
David M will only sell if a better replacement is going to come in, He may even already have someone who knows. It will be either Robert Lew, Bale of Ronaldo and no one else that is the bottom line.
So if tomorrow or by the end of the week on tv is announced that Rooney is leaving be sure a bid for the mentioned 3 will be in place for next week.
Would love to see Rooney go and play elsewhere and regret it and someone come in that wants to be proud and love wearing the UTD shirt
Just my opinion but I think it will be up to Rooney
If he wants to stay I think he will get a new contract if he wants to go he will be sold.
United have said he's not for sale but Rooneys still hasn't come out to say he doesn't want to leave.
I think we will find out soon enough
Jred
By that logic, surely a replacement would already be in place and signed before he agree to let WR leave?
Look if Rooney leaves Manchester United will carry on!
I'd actually prefer him to leave, fitness and form over the last 18mon have been poor. Two transfer requests are an insult to us as fan's and our great club!
Yes he has been a fine player, now Moyes will have to show strong conviction and judgement, 'is it time for, Rooney to go'
As for replacements, maybe that man exists at the club, janzaui (spelling)
Yeah, stuff Rooney, let him go because we've got januzaj! if we sell Rooney, we have to replace him with Lewi, ronaldo, or bale.
Januzaj is a super talent, but he's not ready to replace Rooney.
Re the second transfer request, if its true, why don't united show us the request and then we'll all believe it. Truth is, he did not hand in a second transfer request, and saf was just being saf by trying to get back at Rooney. I'm afraid though, it has backfired on the club and now we are going to see one of the best players in the world leave our club.
Nomidfield
There will be an offer on the table for Rooney from MU now, but it will be for less than him and his agent wants. If we agreed to pay him what he and his agent wants he would sign today, but I get the feeling MU are more than happy to sell him if it's for the right price and dependent on our targets. It is a run of the mill contract negotiation, we have made an offer and Rooney wants more.
Sydney!
Nomidfield
You are blinded by some thing here. Rooney can post and tweet all kinds of sh. t but is dead silent on this, so in your world Rene, SAF and Phelan and the rest are all liars and some conspiracy against rooney and he has done no wrong.
He is trying to fleece us for more money and the club is not going to offer a 28 year old striker a contract extension on stupid terms.
How do you even make the statement that he is one of the best players in the world, does the transfer numbers being mentioned back this up.
Why is Chelsea willing to pay 45 million for Cavani and still can't get a deal and people are saying 20 million for Rooney. Are you a better judge than the professional scouts that do this for a living. Do you honestly think we would hesitate to sell if a 30 million offer came in?
Look at Kaka, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Henry, Owen etc etc and how they went from unbelievable to average in such a short time span, The reality is they get older and they lose their special magic and that is life.
How does the best in the world score 12 goals in a team that scored close to 90 or whatever the number was.
Shahram
03 Jul 2013 21:35:08
I think only ozil can replace rooney, even silva also
So not 'only' ozil then? Sorry couldn't resist ;)
Would be happy with Ozil though in all seriousness but we'd still need another forward of some sort IMO (winger or striker) if Rooney goes.
Honey badger, that's the whole point with Rooney; if he leaves we need two players to replace him
How about trade him to real for Ozil and Coentrao or Varanne (dream signing) plus some cash to them.
Shahram
03 Jul 2013 21:19:07
Does anyone else find it totally unbelievable that Moyes and Rooney were in the same building for most of the day and they didn't have a chat?
So what's happening? I'd have thought this meeting would have been high up the priorities list. Unless either a meeting has already happened or unless the decision to sell him has already been made regardless of how Wayne feels about it.
Either way I would have thought the club would have wanted this sorted asap, and until such time that an annoucement is made about it, it will continue to drag on. Surely the club will want this sorted quickly?
Or are they hoping that this whole Rooney debate is acting as a smokescreen.
Besides on Friday Moyes will have his first press conference and he will need some answers by then.
For me the fact that the club aren't saying he's staying end of makes me think that he is probably on his way out.
Shappy the club have said a few times Rooney is not for sale.
Jred
03 Jul 2013 22:06:02
There has been nothing said by the manager, the player or the chief executive. This to me doesn't sound good. If he truely is staying then why no press conference? Why no official statment? The silence is deafening.
I would be stunned if Moyes has been at the club in an offical capacity for three days and even had Wayne at his disposal all day today and he hadn't spoken to him. If he had good news then why not say anything about it?
Shappy
There is no way the club will keep a players who has asked to leave and in his case on his wages and his past history.
It is a case of they will do it on their terms and will make sure they get the right value for him.
Shahram
Jred
They're hardly going to say otherwise.
What's there to say, the club have said he is not for sale, untill either Rooney comes out and says I def want to go or signs a new contract there's nothing to officially announce.
Jred
Gagus
so if they really don't want to sell him and I'm not saying that is the case, what would they say
Jred
03 Jul 2013 23:33:20
Thats my point, surely having had Rooney at the club for most of the day the club should have something to announce. Yet their still keeoing stum. Why is all i'm asking.
The only player we sold for the right value was ronaldo. We never get the right value for our players. Beckham, Stam, Rvn. They all went on to have goof careers but we didn't get much for them. Real recouped Beckham's fee in months.
If everyone is insistent on selling Rooney, then £45m should be the asking price.
I agree with shappy, I can't believe that Moyes and Rooney have not spoken, but I'm also disappointed that our club is allowing all these rumours to go on without making a comment.
Nomidfield
Apparently shappy, there are people that both parties believe should be involved in the talks that weren't available yesterday, whoever they are the articles don't say.
I think they want to force him to put the transfer request in formally and they will sell him shortly thereafter and he loses income windfall from the transfer. Hardball Money Ball time baby.
On the corporate side I have had guys like him over the years, who's head got too big for their own good and that is exactly the best way to go about it. At some point even your high performers become too much of pain in a. and too much management time and disruptive to the overall performance of the company and you realize they that they are not worth it. Incidentally the ones that left have somehow never reached those same levels that they achieved at our place :)
Shahram
03 Jul 2013 21:16:55
A lot of people may know mike clegg - ex united physio, he owns a gym in Ashton I do go there quite frequently and apparently so he says when rooney went to America a few seasons back it wasn't to get fit, it was to clean his blood with the latest medical technology as his body is full of a hell of a lot of drugs, I wonder if anyone else has heard this rumour, personally I don't believe it. Like to hear what you lot think?
I heard he eats baby's and was behind the banking crisis
Jred
Could explain why he was in the drum and bass tent at Glastonbury at the weekend ; )
And yet you still want him at the club, Jred?!
What will it take, man?
Lol Jred that did crack me up! TBF to GortonRed he stated he doesn't believe it himself.
Steviek
To be honest it would take another season like the one he's just had.
Jred
Doesn't the timing of his Howard Hughes like american visit coincide with his drop in form?
better get him back on the pills and powder!
Jred, another season like that may just cost us our season and this coming season is the most important in a very long time with Moyes taking over. It could make or break or future. That is why we need Rooney to either commit, or p1ss off. Winding down his contract, disrupting the squad is not an option for me. Hopefully it gets sorted before the window shuts or Rooney's greed may well ruin Moyes' reign.
Sydney!
03 Jul 2013 21:09:01
Now I'm seeing instead of Strootman it's Fellaini, then Evra will be allowed to go and Baines brought in his place then, Rooney to be sold and either Lewandowski or Cavani will come with Garay and Thiago joining, Buttner will compete with Baines and Fabio will be used in the midfield role competing with Young and Zaha. Anderson, Macheda, Bebe and Nani. , will be sold
03 Jul 2013 21:02:16
hope cleverley leaves. he is so overrated. scores a cross and he's brilliant all of a sudden?. hope giggs retires now and bring in a decent winger as my grandad is now fitter than giggs.
21 ggmu
Sure, anyone else sir?
Person.
Giggs is fitter than players half his age, your grandfather must be very fit then!
04 Jul 2013 10:41:57
sign hi grandad!
03 Jul 2013 20:41:29
People should stop stressing about Daehli. He's a young lad, what's wrong with him having 2 years in his home country, getting some first team football to see if he can cut it with professional footballers. If he does turn good, I'd be surprised if there's no buy out clause. After all, Ole will look after him and will want him to make his name at Old Trafford.
Nathaniel
03 Jul 2013 20:33:32
With regards to all the extra physical training I don't remember fitness being an issue for the team (disregarding a few of our more portly players). We won many games late on and have done for years. The reason why we were able to keep going so well was that Sir Alex used the whole squad - here is a question - I think I could easily name all our first team squad but how many players can you name in the squads for Chelski, Citeh or Arse-nal? I could probably get to about 15 for each but can't think of the names of the other 10.
This is why we have done so well in the league because the whole squad was rotated and kept fresh rather than making the same 15 or so players play every game. On a one to one with our main rivals I'm always nervous because they have great players in their 1st eleven but beyond that their managers are frightened to play young developing players. Also Sir Alex has always made use of a few water carriers - Park, O'Shea, Lindegard etc. You need a few players who will stand up, fight and do the running for the bigger players. Chelski and Citeh just buy big egos and are frightened to drop them when they inevitably loose form and this causes all the aggro (Tevez and golf, Bollocktelli with his strops and Jane Terry scowling on the touch line).
I don't think we need too much fitness training just an extra couple of quality mid fielders who want to wear the shirt!
Good post, I've said many a time on here that players like Cleverly and Welbeck will be invaluable squad players over the years and the depth and loyalty they bring to our squad will stand us in good stead. It's a shame that so many of our so called fans want shot of players like this because 'they are sh*t' or 'they wouldn't get in the City/Chelsea teams'. O'shea, Brown, Park etc. are other great examples of this.
Great post!.
Sign me up Leighton Baines, Fellani and strootman and were good to go!
03 Jul 2013 18:53:45
mats moller daehli has left mufc and joined molde, some very definite replys yesterday telling me I was wrong, i'm very sad to. tell you all this news. gutted
Clearly wasn't rated as good enough. Looked far too lightweight to make it in England.
It doesn't make a lot of sense. why would a player widely fancied as standing a chance of making it at Manchester United suddenly move to Norway.
surely the logical thing would be to have a crack at breaking into the 1st team then move if that doesn't work out.
what am I missing?
From his comments he wanted first team football, wasn't going to get it here.
I get the feeling we must be signing some young talent for his position which will block his progress to the first team
I think a loan deal would benefit all three parties. He will not be going to Molde permanently. I think Daehli & Petrucci are very talented, especially Daehli being much younger, but the two to watch from the youth is Januzaj & Powell.
Sydney!
03 Jul 2013 20:38:10
Maybe he wanted first team football, or maybe he hadn't settled well in England.
Either way we have had a startling number of highly rated young players leave our academy recently, Morrison and Pogba and now Daehli. Plus players like Fryers have left and Vermijl looks like leaving. This is a worry.
He's gone Sydney!, 2-year deal.
Mick, we all heard the rumours about it being permanent, before you posted about it. People just couldn't believe it and even the tabloids were unsure. Clearly it's homesickness or he would have signed for someone outside of Norway.
Sydney!
03 Jul 2013 21:23:17
Shappy maybe their not as good at originally thought. We all know the issues with pogba and morrison. Maybe Daeli didn't settle in england. From his comments on signing he wanted first team football. He was a couple of years away if he stayed. Syd he has gone permanently on a two year deal. Maybe we have a deal to bring him back.
Tbf Shappy, when you take out the three with the attitude problems, that only leaves Daelhi and Vermijl, and I think a lot of people didn't really think Vermijl would be good enough to be a first-team regular at Utd.
Bit disappointed with Daelhi going, as I had high hopes for him, but maybe there's a clause inserted to get first option on him or something like that. Chance for him to get some first team football, and see how he develops, I don't know.
03 Jul 2013 22:01:37
When it comes to youth players all they have is potential, whether they reach the level their potential suggest depends on many different things. What we can say about Pogba, Morrison and Daehli is that they had more potential than most in our academy in recent years. As to whether any of them reach that potential we'll have to wait and see.
As for them having attitude problems, that in itself is a worry. One player having an attitude is normal, two is unusual three is a pattern. I wonder if there is something we are doing with the player which is bringing their attitudes out. I know we intergrate the youth with the seniors quite young, maybe hanging around with the big name players at such a young age makes them feel like they are better than they are? I dunno.
Hopefully we have some sort of buyback clause, and er ok sydney, very strange.
He has said he wants first team football seems the young uns are getting impatient
Jred
Sydney first you say he isn't leaving then you say you knew all about it, ha ha, you are a funny little man.
03 Jul 2013 18:30:11
It is as I thought. The impact of having a mid-table management team has effectively reduced our status fundamentally.
We have been rejected by Strootman, probably the same thing will happen with Thiago, and we will end up a bit like the Everton in whose glow we now bask.
No more fatuous responses of glasses half-full. This is the reality now. Allowing a flaked out ego like Ferguson (however much good he did) was a critical mistake.
Idelwild
And to think its only day 3 of the transfer window.
Have we actually bid for Strootman?
Brendan81
Are you actually a United fan or just a total WUM? Every post is totally negative and defeatist. The season hasn't even started yet and you've managed to have a pop at just about everyone at the club including even Fergie now. Plastic fans like you should just go and support chelski or the rags down the road and revel in the glory of yet another £50 million pound signing. People like you make me sick, I bet you were there on your sofa jumping up and down when we got the trophy presented because god forbid you should ever actually go to a game and your small mind was filled with joy. not!
Criticism will come for Moyes no doubt, but only when its warranted, At least see what buys he makes and what sort of football we play before you spout your diatribe, But alas we will win the league by 20 points and you be on here moaning about how many more it would have been if XY or Z had signed. I don't know about glass is half empty, has there ever actually been anything in your glass!
Togthered
Hey mate show a bit of respect to Everton it is fans like you that give the rest of your fans a bad name.
My understanding was that PSV won't sell Strootman this summer as they don't want a mass clear out. I'm not sure how that constitutes him turning down United?
Irish red
Can you clarify when did Strootman reject us, Mr glass half-empty?
Also, you see into the future with regards Thiago? I am suitably impressed.
03 Jul 2013 20:16:17
Christ, I thought I was on the Utd page, obviously ended up here on the abject misery town page.
Is this guy really one of you?
Stoner
Had a bad day bro there there didums t'will all get better.
Read how many fans on here that don't want Strootman ( i'm one who does if we can't get Vidal) you really find it so strange that interest faded, over a few weeks now, under our new manager. Thiago I'm 95% sure will happen, a certain Mr. Hunter thinks so too and he knows a lil more than either you or I.
Our team is Man U TOP players will always come and if you are giving away glasses half-empty or half-full make mine a Glenmorangie thanks.
It is entirely pathetic to regard criticism as lack of commitment. This demonstrates how fragile and threadbare your own level of support must be. The facts are the facts, and although Strootman's rejection may end up as being a good thing, the fact is that under the new management we could not attract him.
Let us see how we go. But it looks more and more as if we have made a catastrophic mistake.
For those mature enough to deal with the facts, this must be a matter of concern.
Idlewild
Personally I'd wait for the transfer window to close before I criticise.
Otherwise it's like not even giving the manager the chance to fail.
3 days in the job and its looking more and more like a bad mistake? What a loon.
Blimey, 3 days into the job and Moyes is a catastrophic failure, doomed to drag the club down to unfathomable depths. 3 days into the transfer window and we aren't signing anyone. Ferguson a busted flush best forgotten and not to be missed.
Those long winter nights must just fly by in the Idlewild household. I'd give it all up now if I were you and head for the clinic in Switzerland, life will always be a disappointment for you.
The 2 'facts' you stated were:
1) Moyes has effectively reduced our status
2) we have been rejected by Strootman
Can you in any way shape or form provide any relevant evidence to back your wild claims? (sorry facts!)
The rest is just negative crystal ball reading which goes to show your character IMO. Has Kloot changed his signoff? ; )
03 Jul 2013 21:31:29
lads come on he's clearly not a united fan. Never seen him post before. And yes we've seen negative united fans post but not insulting the clubs most successful manager. Blatantly a scouser.
You make a good point, if I had the choice to play for Moyes or mourinho loop guadiola ancelotti then I know Moyes will be my last choice.
I think a lot of the fans on here only see stuff thru rose tinted glasses. The fact is our midfield is very poor and will never challenge for cl. Simple as that. If people like Horay and strootman are taking two months to sign, then it doesn't vouch well for the future.
Who dragged this guy on to the site. So you know we bid and he has rejected. For your information we have not made a bid and all this talk is people assuming he was a sure thing. They want 18 mill and we are only willing to pay 12 and that is why it ain't happening.
Shahram
Not sure if it's true or not but it was reported in a Dutch paper strootman had turned us down.
I think it's just paper talk to be honest
Jred
Could have kept that to yourself Jred, kind of spoils my post, lol. Can't say I believe that though.
Hb
Yer sorry pal, now I think about it I might be mistaking after all it was in Dutch and I could only pick out the odd word
Jred
03 Jul 2013 23:20:52
95% of footballers would want to play for Manchester United. The other 5% are either fans of rival clubs, or lying.
Ben
Hi Ben
Love the quote and welcome to the site.
Shahram
03 Jul 2013 18:14:55
Strootman staying in Oranjeville.
Thiago to sign friday.
Rooney to be sold to Chelski friday (lol)
If we sell Rooney I think we will go all out for. Cavani. Chelski will throw the towel in if promising Rooney serious upfront game time.
Napoli will realise player power and no-one willing to meet their £54m release clause will mean, unless PSG come in for him, £45-48m could seal it.
Now ladies. say we got £25-28m for Rooney, net spend of £20m for the hottest property in world football since Falcao (!) would be good business would it not?
Everton will hold out for say £18m for Baines but for a near 29yo I think Martinez may conclude that would be great business. Plus the £22m he would get from any Fellaini sale would give him £40m to play with which surely any manager worth his salt can do some good with! Especially given links to relatively cheap Wigan players he will no doubt raid.
I think Baines has a limited time window as someone like Shaw will be cheaper and 10year younger so, as Moyes will be keen to conclude deals early to get 'his squad' together before touring etc, we will make enquiries re Shaw too.
If Baines comes, Evra takes a bow and joins Monaco.
If its Shaw, Evra stays another year and Shaw eased into first team in a transitional season.
Strootman not coming begs the question who else can help (box to box) run the midfield? Would still prefer we go for someone like Cabaye but he seems persona non-gratta for some reason.
As for other bits and pieces:
Bale - will stay at Spurs another year then join Real IF he goes anywhere.
Ronalso - staying in Espana at least another year, possibly two.
Suggested 4-3-1-2 for 1314 becomes:
De Ge. Rafael Vidic Jones BAINE. Zaha/Valencia Carrick THIAGO. Kagawa. CAVANI Van Persie
And yes I know it would be too lightweight but let's just attack til we bleed lol.
That's all folks.
Yes because Cabaye isn't good enough. If people didn't rate Strootman why would anyone think Cabaye was good enough?
Halesini, are you keV Keegan?
If Rooney can get himself fit and raring to go Cavani isn't even on his level.
Ha ha attack get ready for Moyes famous 451 formation Moyes is a striker killer fact. Forever blue
I'd LOVE IT if I were Kevin Keegan.
03 Jul 2013 18:05:10
Some people on here seem happy enough to get as much as we can for Rooney and not to bother buying another striker to replace him, which I can understand as there isn't that many world class strikers available and especially for under 30 million. But what happens if RVP gets a long term injury? As highly as I rate Hernandez, I wouldn't be too confident with him playing as an only striker for 3 or 4 months.
I like the idea of playing 3 behind a main striker, but that only works if you have a world class striker. This is where chelsea failed last season. We have that world class striker in RVP, but our season could turn to tatters should he miss a big chunk of it.
I like halesini's suggestion of going all out for cavanni with the money from selling rooney.
rvp and cavanni up front would be quite something
I agree if Rooney were sold and RvP got injured we would struggle trying to fight on all fronts with just Hernandez.
I'm trying to stay out of the Rooney debate but if he does go, what we do in the transfer market will be a delicate procedure that needs to be addressed with care.
03 Jul 2013 17:25:25
The premiership have delivered some magical moments with guys like zola, ginola, gascoigne, bergkamp, beckham halfway screamer, giggs dribbling in his prime, paul schole doing what xavi and iniesta do together, evven some liverpool moments with owen in predatory prime, looking forward to more of the same in coming years please
ADA
03 Jul 2013 16:46:44
Nice to see Sir Alex enjoying his retirement watching Andy Murray at Wimbledon. He has earned it.
Fergie was supporting the wrong person though. Murray is the most miserable player in world tennis. He never smiles, shouts and swears all the time and plays boring defensive tennis. Here's hoping Djokovic crushes Murray in the final. At least Nemanja know who to support.
03 Jul 2013 15:09:27
Jred and deeps are probs right, players may understand football more than us and realise what a great player rooney was until 12 months ago and perhaps still is.
So by that reckoning would they also realise when a player basically can't be arsed anymore and wants out? I would say so.
Suddenly players from rival teams are bigging him up when he's in the worse form of his career?
Whatever your take is on the situation it is a problem all of rooneys making and rooney himself is a problem we don't need going into a new era.
BABY FACED ASSASIN
03 Jul 2013 14:36:05
HOW TO GET ROONEY/ANDERSON FIT IN TIME FOR KICKOFF.
get a large mobile catering van, put loads and loads of the following in it- kentucky fried chicken, burgers, chips-extra large portions offcourse, pot noodles, vodka, red bull, chocolate, crisps, cigarettes, nicotine gum, staff it with two scantily clad women, drive it round carrington all-day, everyday for 6 weeks, make sure it goes at a good speed so ando and roon would not catch it, say 10 miles per hour, and they will be in the best shape of thier lives come kickoff.
ps, good luck to utds new manager david mckay in his first season, he's going to need it lol.
Your banter is so bad.
We'd have to pop over to Liverpool City Centre to pick a van like that up, there must be plenty to spare there.
Its ok we can win the league with fatties mate, you would struggle to win a point if Stevie put on a few pounds. How are Henderson and Downing? have they learnt the art of football yet or are they still learning to run with a ball?
ps. have fun without the zombie.
1redarmy
You should spend more time in thinking of ways to get Looserpool out of mediocrity.
I wondered how long it would be until lfc returned. Must be very disappointed with Liverpool's business so far this summer? Gerrard doesn't look very impressed either does he?
Sydney!
03 Jul 2013 16:49:29
I wondered how long it would be until we saw you again. But i'd have thought you'd have come up with better banter than this during you hiatus. For shame lfc.
Lads lfc is dissapointed because they have just sold the next gerrard I've heard them call him to Swansea!
Why David McKay? Seriously. Is that meant to be a joke?
Da Rob Man
03 Jul 2013 17:18:13
Sydney Liverpool are so bad even Lord Voldemort has jumped ship to swansea. Wasn't he supposed to be the next big thing? MrE
Apparently Shelvey Craved European Football, so felt it was time he moved to a bigger club with ambition to match his.
RRED7
Wouldnt work having such a van in scouse land because all the wheels would be nicked within a day
I was thinking that, wasn't he ment to be the next big thing lfc. ?
hmmm. kinda makes me doubt the suso and sterling being future worldclass claims by your fans.
Apart from the manager name pathetic aim at banter the rest was pretty good although I wouldn't want it gonig at only 10mph
If your standard of banter was reflected in a league table it'd be as lowly as Liverpool's standing in the EPL!
Mid table with Suarez, I dread to think where you'll finish without him.
Read somewhere that you guys will get relegated next season! Not sure if this would be much of shock to anyone here tho.
RumourNo. 1
03 Jul 2013 14:28:13
Just seen the news that Liverpool are selling Jonjo Shelvely to Swansea.
Is this the same Jonjo that the scousers were coming onto this page saying was going to be world class, miles better than Cleverly, the next Gerrard etc?
He's so good he can't even make it in a mid table club like Liverpool! LMAO
Nice to see a young English player making a step up in their career :)
Yes Adz but he maybe good; that's why he has gone to a better club.
To b fair he's signing for a bigger club
Big Mac
Funny part is he won't even make it at Swansea
To be fair, it's a step up for him.
I've a deluded mate who said he could be as good as Zidane!
Big Mac, to be fair I think Swansea will not finish too far away from Liverpool next season. If they can get Bony and retain Michu and Williams they will do very well. Shelvey will do better as he will not be under so much pressure and Pozuelo is a very good player.
Sydney!
He has gone to Swansea to increase his chances of European football.
Maybe Shelvey thought of joining a club who has more chance to win something!
RumourNo. 1
03 Jul 2013 14:18:50
Anybody know why Vidic will have been given extra leave? He's at the tennis watching Djokovic so can't have been in training today. He never had any international duty over the summer so can't see why he would have extra leave.
DGC.
Maybe he is joining AFC Wimbledon!
Slight injury maybe? I wouldn't read too much into it. He'll still be at OT next season. at least I hope so anyway!
03 Jul 2013 17:21:59
he was in london with his agent talking to other clubs reps about a transfer.
03 Jul 2013 14:09:58
Rooney won't be leaving a great reason why is because there are no Decent strikers even on the market Cavani will be going to PSG Lewondowski will not change his mind over Bayern who deos that leave? Chelsea and Man City are finding this problem now City now want Negredo and I cannot see who Chelsea can bring in decent enough to score in the premiership as options now are few and far between.
Fredthered
I would keep RVP and Hernandez as our main strikers and take an attacking midfielder who can also play well on the wing or vice versa as Rooney's replacement.
Ronaldo would be perfect ;)
REDFAITH
True if we did sell Rooney who would we bring in? And I agree on the City and Chelsea points think both were shocked when Falcao joined Monaco, Jovetic and Gomez probably viable options left for them
Red91
With what your saying then Fred, would you not suggest City & Chelsea will push for Rooney and if he wants to leave and they offer decent money then why wouldn't we cash in?
If Rooney go's I would take a punt on the best young striker around, Christian Benteke. He's certainly gettable and would jump at the chance of coming to OT.
Raffa
03 Jul 2013 16:54:58
There are some very good strikers out there still available. Higuain, Fred, Hulk, Villa, Gomez, Jovetic ect all available.
But most teams have adopted a system with just one striker, and we have too. That was why Rooney spent a lot of last season playing in other positions. We have RvP and Hernandez two world class strikers for just one position. We also have two very good youngsters in Henriquez and Will Keane. As well as Welbeck. If Rooney does leave I don't think we need another striker to replace him.
If we sell rooney, I think we'll push hard to sign lewandowski. Though his preference is bayern if we make a good offer he will join.
TRUMORS
You could be right Trumors.
Sydney!
03 Jul 2013 13:02:13
Come on Rooney stay with us and
rule EUROPE u know u wanna!
SPACEYDAVEY
03 Jul 2013 12:58:50
What about a swap Rooney for Mata?
Bfro
Would be very happy with that.
Brendan81
Definitely take that. But still can't believe the rumours that Mourinho doesn't see Mata in his plans. The guy had his best ever season last year, he was immense.
03 Jul 2013 12:22:09
"I really miss English football. For me it was some of the best years when I was there, everyone knows that. Manchester United is still a club that is close to my heart.
"Now my life is in Spain and I have enjoyed playing there too. "
- CR7
Not sure what to make of this. The first part is promising and the 'I HAVE enjoyed playing there too' part suggests it's possible that either he no longer enjoys playing in Spain or that his time playing there is coming to a close.
Not too much to go on just yet - but the saga continues!
redseven
I would say the have enjoyed is more of a language mistake rather than him saying he is going but I do get encouragement when he talks about us still.
1redarmy
Dont read much to that am sure he must have made a mistake
03 Jul 2013 10:49:03
"Can't believe all this talk about fitness Carrington as been developed using the latest sport science technology Sir Alex used this information to his advantage when rotating the squad.
Also the talk of no. 2 yes it's important that training sessions are well prepared and enjoyable however having a very strong decisive manager is key when it comes to team selection we have a very strong squad and the most difficult job for Moyes will be to gain the respect of the fringe players who during Fergies time have played important roles when needed.
Dylan"
- Dylan, Moyes is a different level, he literally takes the squad to army boot camps, the team travels EVERY DAY, unlike most clubs who have days off.
I remember reading somewhere that Everton players put in more hours than any other European top flight club in terms of training.
after the 2006 WC, Moyes employed 2 of the biggest fitness experts in the WORLD. Just to get his team that bit further.
An assistant is less important when you have a manager who does EVERYTHING by himself. I don't think even the Great Sir Alex is as strong minded when it comes to making decisions as Moyes.
I think you're making a problem out of nothing here, if 'Fringe players' don't already respect Moyes then they don't deserve to be playing for United.
The way I see it is quite simply, Moyes will improve the training regime massively and he'll be just as good as team selections as Sir Alex.
I agree with you Moon you only had to read Phil Nevilles piece about their training, he said there is no team in England fitter than Everton & he also spoke about the horseshoe and said that was feared by all
03 Jul 2013 12:00:52
What is this horseshoe?
03 Jul 2013 12:19:29
This whole fitness issue I think is an interesting one.
No doubt Moyes is a fitness fanatic and works his players hard, but is that for the best?
Everton normally start slowly peak midseason then drop off toward the end, over the last few years Everton have been in a strong position going into the last couple of months but have failed in those months to push on. This could be a mental issue or it could be that the players are spent by then.
Where as we have always started slow and built until the end of the season where we finish strongly.
So which fitness regime is better? Or does it not have such a big effect.
We also need to bare in mind that Everton normally play 45-50 games a season and we play 60+. So when our players are expected to play at least 10 more games a season can you afford to run them into the ground when training?
These are all questions we will find answers for this coming season. And these are questionz hopefully Moyes is discussing with his staff to see if he can find the answer.
As for Anderson, I don't know how well Moyes fitness regime will help him. It could boost his fitness and help him, or it could cause him to suffer more injuries. {Ed004's Note - We also have a far bigger squad Shappy. Moyes had to play the same 11 every week}
Its a metal shoe that you put on a horses foot.
OR
THE HORSE SHOE
There is one session that David Moyes puts on for Everton’s squad which still puts the fear of God up me. Every year you know it is coming but there is nothing you can do about it.
As was the case when he told us to follow the fitness coaches into the river, the manager takes great pleasure in seeing how much it makes the players squirm. Basically ‘the horse shoe’ is a series of sharp runs that cover distances between 100metres and 300m and there is barely any time to catch your breath in between.
By the time you are on your eighth sprint, your legs feel like jelly and buckle, while your lungs are burning. The manager, meanwhile, simply laughs as you collapse. It feels like torture but it clearly pays off as we take pride at Everton in the fact no team will ever out-run us during the season.
The Moon
Individual players may have had issues with fitness due to injuries and coming back mid term but I've never thought our fitness was an issue.
The only question I would like the answer to is what did Bilbao take with their porridge when we met 2 seasons ago!
Dylan
Training regimen that Moyes loves a series he also loves old fashioned army camp type fitness here's Nevilles quote on the Horse shoe
QUOTE"THE HORSE SHOE
There is one session that David Moyes puts on for Everton’s squad which still puts the fear of God up me. Every year you know it is coming but there is nothing you can do about it.
As was the case when he told us to follow the fitness coaches into the river, the manager takes great pleasure in seeing how much it makes the players squirm. Basically ‘the horse shoe’ is a series of sharp runs that cover distances between 100metres and 300m and there is barely any time to catch your breath in between.
By the time you are on your eighth sprint, your legs feel like jelly and buckle, while your lungs are burning. The manager, meanwhile, simply laughs as you collapse. It feels like torture but it clearly pays off as we take pride at Everton in the fact no team will ever out-run us during the season. "
03 Jul 2013 12:27:59
It's a metal thing they nail to the bottom of a horses hoof, but that's not important right now!
Imo, Everton having a paper thin squad was one of the reason why Moyes insisted on such hard fitness regimes. He needed his players to be 100% since he had very little squad strength.
He knows he needs to adapt his methods at United. People are making way too much a big deal out of this.
The Horse Shoe and more is required for Rooney and Anderson anyway ;)
REDFAITH
Shappy
The reason Everton have not been able to make that last Hurdle is they have never had a big squad and pretty much dependent on 13 or 14 players. Fitness and routines has nothing to do with it and as you may suggesting in this case having worked the players too hard.
Some of our guys are poor in that department and disappear after 60 minutes and it has nothing to do with midseason or late season.
Shahram
I love the way people comment on the horseshoe as if Moyes is a ground breaking fitness expert, when in effect it is merely a series of shuttle runs. You lot talk as if there was no fitness training at the club ot something during Ferhies tenure, the club has always had fitness experts and training, get a grip
Invisible STuey
United aim to win most if not all their games the pressure on our squad is immense I'm not doubting Evertons fitness or lack of squad depth for one minute but to challenge on all four fronts you need top quality and we have that in abundance.
Natural athletes very gifted footballers are what every coach dreams of and we have a good mixture.
It's a very difficult job once Champs League group games kick in to be able to freshen up with quality is something Moyes will be excited about.
Dylan
03 Jul 2013 15:03:13
I just think too much is being made out of Moyes fitness programmes.
We have one of the best training facilities in the world, we have some of the best fitness coaches and sports scientists working with the players and for the most part we have never had a fitness issue with our SQUAD of players.
We have a couple of individuals who have fitness concerns, but the majority of players are at peak fitness levels. This to me suggests the problem isn't with the fitness training they are recieving but the amount of effort a couple of individuals are putting in.
If they are lacking in the effort department then it is motivation they need not a new training programme. And if Sir Alex couldn't motivate Rooney and Anderson to eat right and train hard then do we think Moyes will be able to motivate them better? I doubt it.
Personally with Moyes in place he will have a training regime put in place, and anyone not putting the effort in he will kick out the door.
So for me the appointment of Moyes increases the likelihood of Rooney and Anderson being shown the door. As Moyes won't put up with their lack of effort as Sir Alex did.
03 Jul 2013 09:08:18
A press conference has been called for Friday, as yet time has not been given. United hoping to have two medicals completed in the next couple of days. All medicals will now be done at Carrington so if anyone comes on here again mentioning medicals booked at the Alexander or players sighted at Manchester Airport you know its all crap as they will now be flown directly in to Carrington, using the new run way which was completed at the end of May. City can no longer spy through the fence as Mike Phelans last job was to replace the three broken wany lap pannels at the north east end of the complex.
Raffa
You sure there's a runway there? might be a helipad but be surprised if there's a runway.
johndenton
03 Jul 2013 10:28:21
Runways? Helipads? I thought they were going to sky dive James Bond style.
A runway at Carrington! Perhaps it's the 3rd Heathrow one!
No you misread the post. its for all those doom and gloom merchants who are going to be running away in embarrassment once they see that Utd and Moyes do have big signings lined up
Really wish that would be the case
03 Jul 2013 08:59:03
Morning. We are seeing more and more players from other teams talking about Rooney's quality. Wiltshire, cech, neymar. While I dislike players trying to twist other players heads, it shows that the players themselves rate Rooney very highly. Some have suggested that he's past his best, but obviously, other players who have recently played against him don't think so.
Also, why is phelan coming out with all this talk on Rooney now? He was the worst no2 united have had for as long as I can remember, and now he no I longer works for the club, someone should tell him that he doesn't need to suck up to fergie anymore!
Good day chaps, hope we sign good players soon and bring in no21.
Nomidfield
People (including players) are still living in the past when it comes to Rooney. Players of other teams don't watch him like we as United fans do, we see every mis-control and mis-placed pass, we see how many attacks break down because of him and we see every girly strop he throws.
We also read ex fitness coaches telling us how he doesn't want to do any gym work to help his fitness, and how he helped scoff and drink £2000 worth of vodka and pot noodles at glastonbury last week, just days before starting pre season training. Then we see the shape Ronaldo is in and how Rio has kept himself in unbelievable shape over the summer break, true professionals.
As a professional, the guy is a disgrace and anyone who tries to say otherwise must either be very dim or totally deluding themselves. He is on the way down, whether people choose to accept this or not, and it is 100% his own fault, he could have been amazing, and was for a very short time, but it didn't last.
I hope he leaves quickly as frankly i'm sick of him and his lack of professionalism. It will stop the arguments on here and we can finally move forward without this cloud hanging over our great club. We are the biggest club in the world, if a player causes problems, no matter who they are, they should be moved on. They should feel honoured to wear the red shirt and if not they can go.
Thank you for past efforts Wayne, good luck in the future, but goodbye. You are the one who will lose out as everywhere, (except Real, Barca and Bayern, who I don't see going for him, and are more of a sideways step) is a step down from us and you will realise that very quickly.
Brendan81
03 Jul 2013 10:57:10
Brendan
Is there any chance that some players know more about football than most on this site, understand dips in form and why they may happen.
Have a bit more knowledge about what is going on behind the scenes.
Are maybe in a better position to judge a player than some of the regulars on here.
Or do you think we know best
Jred
Another instance of someone who thinks that everyone else including the players are wrong and what he thinks is gospel. Continue to wade inside your own little bubble and convince yourself that your hate for this guy is blinding enough to not see some of the obvious. By the way how was your trip to Glastonbury? You seem to be there with Wayne when he was doing them vodka shots. The vile on here sometimes is sickening. I honestly hope he stays, signs a new contract and plays like a man possesed just to shut some of the vitriol on here.
Deeps.
03 Jul 2013 11:51:07
Yeah but deeps what's the chances of it happening. Be realistic bud. Jred understand your point and i'd like to ask Brendan how he knows about Glastonbury and if he can provide a link to something from one of these fitness coaches.
Deeps he isn't going to play like a man possessed though is he? let's face it.
I don't hate Rooney, far from it. I have defended him hugely in the past when people attacked him. I just, personally, think it is time he has a new challenge and we can also plan for our future.
Also, it is a BANTER site, people can say anything they like as long as it isn't libellous or racist or anything else like that. But then again people like you and JRED or whoever think that unless you agree with their every thought that you are talking rubbish or aren't a true fan.
JRED, yes some players will know more of course they will, but I can't see Cech, Wilshere and Neymar knowing the ins and outs of United and what is going on. If that is what you are suggesting then I find that very strange indeed. Wilshere will see a bit in training with England, which isn't a true reflection, and in England games when he has been poor aswell, but other than that they will mainly have seen highlights of his best bits of certain games not in the detail we watch him and the other players in.
I never say I know best, they are just my thoughts. Last time I checked this is Britain not North Korea, i'm pretty sure freedom of speech is a right that all British people are entitled to. Or does it say it is your right, unless you have your own thoughts and may think differently to certain other people? In which case they will come out and tell you that you are wrong, not a true supporter or whatever bullsh*t they decide to spout at that exact moment.
Brendan81
No name, google Mick Clegg, ex United fitness coach. I read about the Glastonbury thing a few days ago, so google Rooney Glastonbury or something and i'm sure it will be on there somewhere.
Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - I've read both articles so they are there.}
Thanks ed
Brendan81
Brendan
I think my op is valid to be honest.
I think wilshere Cech etc are in a better position and more in the know than most on this site
Your opening line is people are living in the past past when it comes to Rooney.
You then add "anybody who tries to say different must be very dim or deluded"
I think it may be you who has an issue with people disagreeing with you or I'm I deluded because I don't think the same as you?
Imo Wilshere will of trained with Rooney for England and will of played against him and will of prob heared a bit of what's been going on.
Cech plays in the same team as Cole lanmpard etc who will know Rooney well.
I'm convinced arsenal man united city players etc watch a lot of each other and know what the score is with players teams and tactics again prob better than us.
But that's just my opinion and why I think my op is valid.
On Rooneys England form has he not scored 9 goals in his last 10 games or something.
Brendan one last thing have you recently changed your log on as you sound familiar
Jred
In my humble opinion, I think players of opposing teams have better knowledge of players strengths and weaknesses than we do. I think if players of Wiltshire and Neymar class are talking about rooney being one of the best, then we've got to take their word for it.
I'm sad that the rooney thing has blown out of proportions, the bottom line is he had an average season playing out of position and managed 16 goals and 15+ assists. Bale had the season of his life and won all the votes and didn't exactly contribute a lot more than rooney. So one of them is hailed as the best thing since sliced bread while rooney is being vilified for having an average season.
Before we get rid of him, I hope Moyes does everything in his power to convince him to stay, because I don't think we've got a load of players in his class queing at our door ready to sign for us.
We've got to trust in Moyes's judgement and hopefully he does the right thing.
NoMidfield
The proof will be in the pudding I guess. Let's see who bids and how much.
If he is that great as some believe let's see if a proper team comes in with a 30 to 35 million bid which in today's market is not huge given what some players are and might be going for.
I reckon RVP is valued more than him even though older and if he was on the market you would get Barca, Real and the whole lot bidding.
Make no mistake he has asked for a transfer for a second time and some of you might want to forget that but some of us don't believe any player is worth that much hassle especially on his wages and current form.
Finally, I predicted Thiago will sign, Strootman is not on the cards and Rooney is gone so we will see how things pan out over the next few weeks.
One other note, Lew might be on the cards and then we can all forget this lousy episode and get on with supporting MU and not individuals who think they are bigger than the club.
Shahram
03 Jul 2013 12:57:16
Ok cheers will do, just wanted to see it myself.
No Mid
He played a few games in the midfield and the in the majority of the games he did play in his favorite position. Only late in the season with Kagawa showing some form and fitness did we shift him around.
He drops off by his own choice to pick up the ball and get involved as his mobility and pace upfront is not what it was and a decent defender will mark him out of the game.
We got 12 goals from him in the league at 200k or whatever the number is a week. I am not sure how you can defend that.
12 goals is what you get from a 70k striker in a united set up, which generally provides a lot of goal opportunities for strikers.
The guy Miralles from Everton will score 15 to 20 in our set up and would cost us less than 60k a week.
Finally, If you are going to quote his stats why don't you quote, goals per minute, chances missed, misplayed passes etc etc and you would get a pretty lousy picture.
Shahram
We will all have to agree to disagree on this one. Some hate him, some love him, some aren't happy with how he has acted towards the club and others are happy to ignore it and defend him. It is all about opinions and no one knows for certain of course.
Personally I can't see Moyes offering him a contract on the same money as now and I can't see him accepting less basic and more bonuses. Therefore, in my eyes, he will go. I don't hate the guy but neither will I shed any tears. We are Man United, not Wayne Rooney United and we will carry on winning trophies when he is gone.
JRED, no I have always been Brendan81, not sure if the eds have any records and can confirm this for you? I don't hide behind anything, I say it as I see it and if people don't like it then so be it. I don't say things to upset people or put people down like some on here.
Brendan81
Sharham
as someone above has pointed out, who would you replace Rooney with.
Jred
"But then again people like you and JRED or whoever think that unless you agree with their every thought that you are talking rubbish or aren't a true fan"
"the guy is a disgrace and anyone who tries to say otherwise must either be very dim or totally deluding themselves. He is on the way down, whether people choose to accept this or not"
See the irony there Brendan. Is there any any Rooney debate that you come in and try to slag him and others opinions off? And professional football players don't know as much as you do right. Everyone is talking garbage?
Deeps.
Shahram
Are your folks back from the holiday or are you still enjoying with your friends ;)? By the way, drama queen, let's get back to Strootman is not good enough and Danny Welbeck is Ballon'd'or candidate. Wayne Rooney gets the theatre artist out of us.
Deeps.
Jred
In an ideal world it would be lewandowski, which I still believe will end up going somewhere else this summer. Whilst I disagreed with Sydney on Chelsea being a threat to the thiago deal, I believe they would be a major threat for lew if we were to go in for him.
Even if we did not have a like for like replacement, I believe with an upgrade to our left wing and an attacking midfielder, Kagawa we have enough in RVP, Hernandez and Welbeck to make up his goal tally and assists.
I don't genuinely believe he is going to get better and that is why why we are seeing other clubs talking 20 million. I want to stress we are not replacing the Wayne Rooney of 2010 but a player who hardly featured for us in the run in last year.
Shahram
Rooney has already been replaced in a sense. RvP has replaced him as the main striker and Kagawa will replace him in the hole. If we could get a good left winger and another midfielder besides Thiago, we would look strong for next season.
Sydney!
The 2nd line I hold my hands up Deeps yeah, it should have said 'he seems to be on the way down, whether people choose to accept it or not', time will tell.
But, the 1st line I stick with, he is a disgraceful, supposed, professional, reports for pre season training how overweight again? doesn't want to do gym work to improve fitness, drinks, smokes, eats sh*t. Tell me which bit shows he is a good professional?
I don't slag him off, I tell it as I see it, if that upsets you then so be it, just opinions. I think you'll find a lot of professional footballers are incredibly dim, Rooney included. Just because they are good at football doesn't mean they understand it any better than someone who is not in the game does it?
Brendan81
I would take Rooney over both chica and welbeck
Jred
Good minds think alike Shahram.
Although Chelsea are interested in Thiago.
Sydney!
Should also add I would take Rooney over kags as well.
I think we will see a much better Rooney next season I would be quite happy with the 2011/2012 Rooney (34 goals 40 games )
I would have Rooney in my starting 11 before chica, I also think to play chica you would have to play 2 up front with Rvp playing deeper,
kags I like as a player but I think he struggled last year and I'm nit sure he will adapt to the EPL or moyes way of playing.
Welbeck, I would take an unfit out of form Rooney over him.
You and syd seem to think Rooney is finished and you might be right but my own opinion is that whether it's with United or Chelsea you will see a much improved Rooney next year
Jred
Brendan
" I don't slag him off I tell it like it is"
How well do you know the lad have you really got any idea any of that stuff is true.
You might well be right or you might be wrong.
but 1things for certain you are slagging him off. It will be interesting what your opinion will be if he does sign on.
I would agree he returned over weight at the start of last season but is that really an excuse to sell, I would say it's more to justify your point.
Jred
Brendan, Rooney's lack of professionalism isn't your opinion, it is fact. Rooney doesn't look after himself the way he should, that is no secret. He is overweight, he drinks, smokes and eats junk food. Turns up to training overweight. Gets sent to the gym during the season for being out of shape. Should a player who cannot keep himself in shape be getting a new monster contract? Jred & Deeps seem to think he should.
Sydney!
03 Jul 2013 18:20:31
Shahram and Sydney I agree. I think Kagawa and Thiago (if/when he signs) would both easily make double assists and goals each. Could do with a left sided attacker who would also chip in. The big worry would be if anything happened to van Persie, would we have enough to take up the slack. I have nothing against Rooney personally but I think his time is over and he needs to move on for the benefit of the team. MrE
Brendan
We will have to agree to disagree. All this guff about him eating like an elephant is all media made up. Some of it is true, some of it is bull. Like I can say, Brendan eats 5 extra cheese burgers a day and never sleeps without a couple of vodka shots. In essence I don't know Brendan. may be I am speculating? Similarly all about him not coming to training on time, not training hard enough is opinion based on sketchy facts, No one would know for sure. So let's leave it at that. We can never come to a middle ground. My opinion is he still has an awful lot to offer. We shall wait and watch
Deeps.
Sharham
it seems you and syds have the same view on football.
Jred
Syd
Definitely, I would give Rooney a new contract on the same money his on whether he would accept it or not is a different matter
Jred
Syd
When did either of us say, he deserves a new "monster" contract? Never said that mate. And again whatever you are telling others to believe in terms of his food habits and drinking habits are nothing more than tabloid stuff. Like Jred said, it might well be true but it might not paint the true picture. Known of us know it, but we are convinced that's the case. With all those flab, booze, "i hate training", he has still been one of United's best players in the Ferguson era. You are speaking like he is someone who wouldn't even come close to starting for the Indian football team.
Deeps.
Deeps have you been spying on me?
Brendan81
Deeps
You should know by now Sydney's opinion is fact, even if he is just going off what's in the paper.
I hope Rooney stays as I still think he has something to offer but Brendan or sharham might be right he is maybe finished.
I just think some give a very biased view on him to be honest.
Jred
Brendan
Only two vodka shots before you go to bed? Tut Tut
Deeps.
Deeps/Jred, lads my point is Rooney will stay only if he gets the deal he and his agent wants. He isn't going to want the same amount or less so he will reject any MU offer unless it's an increase in what he is getting. You would be very naive to think he would accept the same or less money.
Deeps, Rooney turned up to training last summer eight pounds overweight. That is what HE said, but I would imagine he was under-exaggerating and telling porkies (no pun intended). I have seen pictures with Rooney with a beer in one hand and a fag in the other.
Anyway let's move on, it's a bit boring now. One way or another it will be sorted this summer.
Sydney!
Brendan, I've been hanging out with Deeps recently (only friendhsip BTW lol). Well all I can say is those pink plycra bottoms you slip into after your evening meal are really something! ;)
Syd
You can't possible no what Rooney will or won't accept.
It would be very naive to think that someone on this site has any idea what is going on behind the scenes at United.
So if Rooney won't accept the same or less and you must think, sorry you must know that any club buying him will have to pay him more than his current contract.
Your arrogance is impressive
Jred
Jred
Everyone has their view and on this one Sydney and I seem to agree and we have disagreed on other stuff in the past, but we see the same thing that you don't. I think he is another owen, peaked early and declining. Watch some of the older games and watch some games from last year, I could swear he has lead in his shoes.
Deeps
Family away for the summer and I am off on a boys holiday next thursday, lots of golf, vodka red bulls and etc etc
Did not get the drama queen thing mate but still don't rate strootman and don't rate welbeck either so shoot me lol
Finally, your boy rooney is as good as gone and I am willing to put money on it LOL.
We will just have to keep winning like we always have without him and I am not concerned one bit. We won the league last year with him being a fringe player. He is half the player Ronaldo is and we still have done ok having lost genuinely one of the best.
Shahram
Syd
Just read your post about you seeing a picture of Rooney with a pint and fag in his hand, I take it all back Rooney is obviously an UN professional alcoholic on 40 a day
Jred
Friendship eh?
Hanging around in my bushes peeping in my window. Anything you 2 guys want to announce to the world?
Also, nothing wrong a bit of comfort!
Brendan81
"Hanging around in my bushes peeping in my window"
Tell me Brendan, this can' be right ;)
Deeps.
04 Jul 2013 08:29:20
Gav
Isn't it the very same thing that Bond fanices in Ed002? In other news, Rooney was pictured not being able to fit into spandex shorts. Obviously he is so fat.
Deeps.
03 Jul 2013 08:44:14
Where's the Moyes action?
Other teams have started reinforcing their squad already! Just saw Arsenal sealed Sanogo and looking for Gareth Barry too! Can we defend our title next year?
RumourNo. 1
Sanogo is an u20 player. they didn't buy anyone other than him.
Barry to arsenal? I do hope so. although he's such a force I'll think they'll have the title sown up with him on board. so, in answer to your question - probably not
I wouldn't mind betting Barry stays at city sucking on the golden nipple till their teats bleed, he's on too much money to walk
03 Jul 2013 07:59:05
GoOd morning friends!
W. zaha to be Unveild at OT Today at 11. 00am BST
Milkha singh
03 Jul 2013 06:54:59
Does anyone else think it is ridiculous that we are considering spending 15-20M on Leighton Baines?
Secondly I find it crazy that clubs are only valuing Wayne Rooney at between 20-25M.
Also to all the dreamers out there, Ronaldo will not be returning to old trafford and it would be far wiser to spend the money required to secure his return on 3-4 top players, 2 central midfielders, 1 winger and maybe a left back.
Not crazy at all. he's one of the best left backs around and with plenty of experience.
what's more, he has the potential to push on and become even better at utd.
even more importantly he's buyable and he's better than what we already have
have I convinced you?
I would much sooner keep evra for another year, giving buttner more opportunities and possibly the silva. evra has had one of his better seasons. 20M on a 28 year old left back to me seems a bit much especially when the money could be spent better elsewhere
03 Jul 2013 06:24:26
Although there is a very low chance of Rolando's coming back, but I think what might tempt him apart from other issues is the fact which he must have realised by now that only place he could win Ballon D'or again is here
mickey
03 Jul 2013 02:25:31
Not sure if you guys have already heard this, but the reason why the thiago deal is still dragging on is, according to graham hunter, that thiago wants the same clause in his contract he had at barca, ie. he wants a release clause if he doesn't play a certain amount of games. Read this on another web site, not sure how true it is, what's your thoughts guys, I think it seems plausible.
Jase
I think it is plausible Jase but I wouldn't be happy doing it if I was united. If he wants a clause in his contract like Cavani etc then put one in for £50m, if he isn't happy then in a few years and Barca want him back they know what to do. Seems to me he wants to come here for a few years of 1st team football before returning to Barca to replace Xavi.
If this is the case it's a shame as he is a very good player, but we need players here who want to play for united not just get some games and go back home. It may not be the case though so we will have to wait and see.
Brendan81
03 Jul 2013 01:45:14
If he goes to Molde it will be on loan Mat's is highly thought of at Old Trafford and I think he will make it at our club.
03 Jul 2013 00:00:41
rooney will stay zaha already in, strootman and thiago to come in with anderson, bebe, macheda and nani leaving
midfield to attack :
carrick cleverly fletcher strootman thiago
giggs kagawa young zaha valencia welbeck
powell rooney van persie hernandez
Fletcher? I wish the guy well but I can't see him coming back to first team football - hope I am wrong.