Manchester United Banter Archive July 03 2018

 

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03 Jul 2018 22:05:52
It's coming home boys. Guess where I'll be on Saturday. Stockholm! Dangerzone!

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03 Jul 2018 22:20:01
I'm half Swedish so it's a win win but on Saturday I support England. Most of my family live around gothenbourg and the South. Got to go there soon so will be interesting yet our record against them is really poor.

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03 Jul 2018 22:27:09
One of our biggest teams, we should beat them but we rarely do.

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03 Jul 2018 22:35:53
Maguire not popular on here but u have to say liked him everytime he's played for England.

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03 Jul 2018 23:43:17
Considering he is a young player not playing his first team football with a top club he has been very impressive.

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04 Jul 2018 00:12:23
We need Harry Maguire to wear a Utd shirt next season . He gets better every time I see him play. šŸ˜†šŸ˜†.

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04 Jul 2018 01:16:25
Not maguireā€™s biggest fan but he has won me over a fair bit tonight. He was a warrior tonight and is such a threat from set pieces. Wouldnā€™t say no to him tbh.

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04 Jul 2018 07:05:23
Agreed. Heā€™s grown into this tournament a great deal, as has Stones.

Sterling still looks like a passenger though. Not his best position. Rash or Vardy would be more effective in my opinion.

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04 Jul 2018 14:06:52
McGuire reminds me of a proper old school CB, I would love to see him at United.

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03 Jul 2018 20:01:29
I've said this every time I've watched a south American team so far but god they're dirty.

From the diving, rolling around and play acting from Argentina, Suarez and neymar to the dirty snidy tackles, shirt pulling and general shithousery of panama and Colombia they've all been terrible.

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03 Jul 2018 21:06:42
Never mind Maguireā€™s dive, Stones stamp and Alli studs up and Kane diving then x.

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03 Jul 2018 21:21:50
Forget that, what were our first 2 subs about. Dier and Vardy. should have been LC and Rashford. Those subs changed the game for me.

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03 Jul 2018 21:25:46
Read the post.

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03 Jul 2018 21:43:34
Is it not coming home?

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03 Jul 2018 22:00:57
Come on Welsh, stop being, well, Welsh. Yes England layers can do some of that stuff but the South Americans make it an art form. Iā€™ve never seen our players behave like Neymar, nor intimidate the referee like Colombia did tonight. I know you donā€™t want England to win but get over yourself.

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03 Jul 2018 22:02:31
Mina when he pinched sterling then through himself backwards as if he's been hit. Terrible.

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03 Jul 2018 22:14:07
I thought Colombiaā€™s tactics was spot on Tony šŸ˜‚ nah congrats and cā€™mon Sweden. If only Zlatan was there. Your name is on the trophy Iā€™ve already come to terms with it.

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03 Jul 2018 22:15:30
And whilst they were delaying the penalty, did you see them all digging at the penalty spot to rough it up?

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03 Jul 2018 22:27:01
Horrible people. Not good enough so weā€™ll try and cheat. And the coach having a go at Sterling should be banned.

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03 Jul 2018 22:28:56
FIFA need to get a grip. The play acting and intimidation of refs is out of hand. Several of the Colombians should have been sent off for dissent. Ronaldo should have gone the other night as well. Itā€™s time to reset expctations and clamp down on it.

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03 Jul 2018 22:45:43
Welsh I get you don't want England but headbutting Henderson, some coach elbowing sterling at half time and scuffing up the penalty spot before Kane took it, do u dislike England that much you'd rather see that stuff prevail . The whole of England would back Wales.

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03 Jul 2018 23:15:07
Yeah, Supasub, I saw that at the time, and thought it was only me šŸ˜.

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04 Jul 2018 09:23:48
Agree with Welsh, the English were just as dirty, pushing, shoving, diving, stomping, aggressively shouting down opponents and ref, but they are sly about it, don't make a theatrical scene from it, so it just gets ignored.

People getting carried away, England haven't done anything spectacular so far in the World Cup, struggled against Tunisia, easily beat Panama (but they tried, Belgium won 3-0 without much effort) and lost to Belgium, last night they struggled again. Prevented play by drawing fouls or making soft fouls, then got lucky with a penalty (Kane was pulling and tugging as much as the Colombian guy) .

Media in France after two wins: they are bad, something needs to change. England after a late win against Tunisia and a victory against the weakest team in the tournament: "it's coming home".

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04 Jul 2018 09:45:04
Ludwig,

Well done, you outshone Welsh for bitterest post of the week, we won, get over it.

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04 Jul 2018 10:11:03
best way to hurt them was watching them cry.

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04 Jul 2018 10:12:54
slate51 i would not.

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04 Jul 2018 10:41:06
Ludwig I don't think anybody in England thinks we are the best team in the world but the draw has opened up in a way that means England could go far I'm not saying they will just they could . England have suffered many iffy decisions in tournament football over the years and var has proved to be good for England as idiotic defending by teams is now being rightly punished . You may feel England are drawing sly fouls or gameplay but our opponents have been blatant and making little or no attempt to disguise or stop what they are doing even when knowing a guy is watching out for the very things they are doing in the var centre.

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04 Jul 2018 10:54:12
Ok I overestimated most people but definitely not daz.

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04 Jul 2018 10:57:30
It has nothing to do with bitterness, I don't support any national team really, used to support Netherlands in the 90s when I was young because I liked their style of play, but that has changed a lot.

I watch most games as a neutral, and that means I saw England being just as dirty as Colombia which was what this post was about. If England do go all the way, it will be similar to Greece in 2004, more about halting play and being lucky, than on pure merit.

I wouldn't mind England winning, but the fans are sore winners. On facebook last night, people were overjoyed, Colombia equalised and people were banging on about the ref being paid by Colombia, ignoring the fact most the decisions went England's way.

But when people get upset about players playing games, then turn a blind eye to Trippier bending down and shouting "f*** off" into a player's face, then I will point out that bias.

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04 Jul 2018 11:12:36
So headbutting a player to get him out the wall or a coach sticking an elbow into a player as he walks off for halftime then smiling as to how pleased you are to have done that, scuffing up penalty spots, hounding the ref and rugby tackling players from corners you felt was on a par with England's tactics.

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{Ed002's Note - Why do you all whine so much? Move on.}

04 Jul 2018 11:17:41
The headbutt in the wall was clearly in retaliation to being elbowed by the English players, they were shoving the Colombian wall in the back. Also, strong to call that a headbutt, more a slight nudge of the chin with the head, but of course those theatrics were justified. Sorry, ed, will stop there.

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04 Jul 2018 11:25:00
Ludwig,

You certainly sound like a totally unbiased non bitter person with both of them posts mate.

It doesn't matter now because it's over but if you genuinely watched that last night and thought England were as bad as Colombia then I suggest watching again, if you can bring yourself to watch England win, it must be hard for you being so 'neutral'.

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Christian Benteke

03 Jul 2018 14:13:55
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Christian Benteke

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03 Jul 2018 14:41:34
I remember him at Villa ed and I used to think he was as good as lukaku. as you say his work ethic must be awful, compare it to lukaku and you can see how far some hard work will take you.

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{Ed001's Note - honestly mate it is abysmal. He is the laziest ***** I have seen in years. He used to wind me up something chronic. The thing is, he would play the ball out wide when just on the edge of the box, the wide player would run 10 yards forward with the ball and deliver a cross. Now you would think a man with his talent for heading the ball would be busting a gut to get on the end of it. Instead he would be in the exact same position he was in when he passed it, sometimes he would shuffle a few yards to the side, but never into the box. The odd time he did, he would score. I could never have played in the same team as him as I would have crippled him to get him taken off for someone who made an effort.}

03 Jul 2018 14:52:47
That would be some pub quiz question. Who got a red card for injuring their own team mate. Assuming the ref got the red card out.

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{Ed001's Note - I am amazed none of Neymar's team-mates do the same. I couldn't cope with those antics, it messes up the rhythm of the team with all the rolling around pretending to be hurt.}

03 Jul 2018 15:06:09
Ed where do players gain the attitude issues with regard to their work ethic? Is it the fact when he got to Liverpool for big money heā€™d thought he made it? Itā€™s something which has always bugged me. We have a few players at united who if they worked harder at their game theyā€™d improve massively? Always a shame seeing potential wasted.

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{Ed001's Note - it is usually the money. They feel like they have reached the pinnacle and they stop working on their game.}

03 Jul 2018 15:16:22
I guess they donā€™t realise how damn lucky they are!

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{Ed001's Note - no mate they don't. They think they have made it and they mentally relax. It is sad that they don't have the inner drive and ambition that the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo shows. He is at the top because of his work, more so than even natural talent.}

03 Jul 2018 17:18:38
Mort, I'd guess Bowyer would be a viable answer as well :P.

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mbd              

03 Jul 2018 17:18:29
I guess youā€™re right ed. But for every Ronaldo, thereā€™s 100s of Ravel Morrisonā€™s. Lord knows where he is right now.

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{Ed001's Note - he was offered back to West Ham this summer.}

03 Jul 2018 18:07:05
Perhaps ed is lee bowyer. Never see them in the same place.

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03 Jul 2018 18:28:42
Isnā€™t he out in Mexico at the moment?
Also seen on social media that shaw is now with a fitness coach on his holiday. What are your views on him harshly treated or could he do more?

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{Ed001's Note - he could do a lot more, he was the same at Saints and it should be remembered he was never the first choice to make the breakthrough because it was felt he was lazy in the youth sides. Targett would have been given the chance but he picked up an injury and Shaw was the alternative. Pochettino used to spend a lot of time with an arm around his shoulders encouraging him and keeping him on track, working him almost individually in training. The other Southampton players used to tease Shaw about Poch being his dad.}

03 Jul 2018 18:39:49
Interesting. Last chance saloon this year for him, Iā€™d love to see him make it.

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{Ed001's Note - I am not sure the Jose of now is the right manager for him. The fact he hasn't himself asked to leave due to being left out of the team so much says to me he has the wrong attitude. He is not kicking the manager's door down fighting for his place either. He just seems to have shrugged his shoulders and accepted it.}

03 Jul 2018 18:50:41
I guess you have to compare that attitude to someone like Ashley young or Valencia who have adapted over the years and always worked hard to stay fit etc. Itā€™s a shame because on his day shaw is as good as it gets in the league imo. If he has a good pre season do you think he could perhaps force his way in?

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03 Jul 2018 20:18:05
He should be rolled out the club but I don't think there's enough in the budget this summer to replace him.

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04 Jul 2018 07:09:56
The problem is are there any viable players available for Shaw. Rose is not an improvement, and Sandro being priced out of a move. Maybe heā€™s got one more year to get into the team?

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03 Jul 2018 06:48:25
Im not advocating buying Willian at all but when you see that performance against Mexico you see how simple a game can be when you have a player who can dribble at speed and then pass to a player in the same colour shirt. 4 attackers against 4 defenders dribble past 2 of them now its 4 v 2 . and he tracks back like Tevez. harrassing defenders. we have had some great dribblers/ wingers . just wished we saw more of it at Utd.

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03 Jul 2018 07:01:20
But I think his end product hasn't been good this WC and from what Chelsea fans share, his end product is always inconsistent. Maybe I will pass this one if given a choice.

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03 Jul 2018 07:10:18
I agree. My mates who are Chelsea fans are pretty divided on him. As per Deependraā€™s comments, heā€™s quite hit and miss and we have enough of that already in the squad. I like him as a player but not sure heā€™s what we need. However, Jose knows him well and if he feels heā€™s the man for us then Iā€™ll get behind it, just like the new contact for the Wig.

As for another Brazilian, Neymar showing this World Cup exactly why I want him nowhere near our club. His embracing behaviour ought to be punished. If my boy acted like that in any walknof life Iā€™d be having serious words with him. Heā€™s a disgrace and such a shame as clearly a very good player.

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03 Jul 2018 07:23:50
Spot on regarding Neymar Eric. He is a disgrace and frankly an embarrassment. He is meant to be a role model for millions of kids around the world and he is rolling around play acting at the faintest touch. There will be kids that idolise and worship him and will no doubt be copying him when they get on the pitch. To add to that, he has been very average this World Cup. Coutinho has been Brazilā€™s main man for me. Heā€™s a top player tbh.

Willian is a curious case. When he is on form he is a wonderful player. Dynamic, quick dribbler who gets you off your seat. But like many have said above, he can be very hit and miss. I actually really like him but I find myself wanting him then not wanting him depending on which day of the weak it is. If we can get him playing consistently then he will be a great addition. A proper rw which we desparetly need.

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03 Jul 2018 08:41:24
I agree he is a bit inconsistent, for the money being mentioned it is too much for me. Got to remember who he is up against as well. I think I'm right in saying it was a player who plays in Mexico who is normally a left winger - hardly what he is up against in the Prem!

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03 Jul 2018 09:28:09
Beast,

To be fair that is what he is up against when he plays against us lol.

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03 Jul 2018 10:02:57
haha so true mate.

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03 Jul 2018 10:28:33
The fees for players now are simply outrageous.
That said the fee is not the most important thing as far as I'm concerned as its not my money. The most important factor for me is getting the right player with the right character and attributes to be a success at United. Its always a gamble to some extent.
I agree with you beast on willian. He is a good player no doubt he would improve our squad no doubt about that but i'm not sure he is the right player at this time and will make the difference needed.

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03 Jul 2018 10:43:57
60 million for Willian is peanuts, let's put things into perspective. Leicester have just paid 22 million pounds to Norwich for a winger who played in the Championship last season. I think he would be a top buy for us.

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03 Jul 2018 11:07:12
If we assume Jose stays for next 3years then for me Willian could be the best option. Fits Jose's style and works hard, had his best season under Jose too.
If Jose goes after this season I would sooner a younger player with more upside who may suit other managers. Pullisic, Brandt etc
I think with Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Rashford, Lindgard +1 RW we would have a quality front line capable of beating anyone.

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03 Jul 2018 11:09:51
I agree that a player of Willian's profile would be great for our squad, but paying potentially 60 million for him? No thanks don't see the value in that. Would much rather pay 80 million for Pulisic who could serve us for a decade longer.

Also, I thought the consensus was that 50-60 million for the best centre half in the league was way too much, just because he's 29. This world cup has shown us 29 is nothing for a centre back, he's still got plenty in the tank.

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03 Jul 2018 12:46:28
Have any of you seen Eric's video on neymar?

Regards Willian the inconsistency is an issue but last season was there other factors? He didn't get on with Conte. Chelsea were poor as a team for period. If his consistency went up he could be a possibility but not for that price.

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03 Jul 2018 13:04:43
My issue with Willian isn't the price he would cost but whether he really is an improvement on what we have.

He will turn 30 next season, and in over 12 years as a professional he has had one great season, not an outstanding one just a great one. And that season was two years ago now. For the other 12 seasons as a professional he has had good flashes, but has lacked the consistency to elevate him to the level of a world class player.

Then consider that lady forwards tend to be on borrowed time once they hit thirty due to the increased likelihood of them losing some of their pace then it becomes a rather poor deal at any price. He might keep his pace for another 3-4 years, or it might be gone in 1-2.

Should we heavily invest in a player who has had one great season in 12 years and could soon lose a key element of what makes him a good player on his day.

For me Willian is a less talented all be it slightly harder working Nani.

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03 Jul 2018 14:16:31
I'd take Willian, works hard for the team going to get 7/ 10 every week just for the work ethic and then when he's playing well can rise to a 8 or 9.

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03 Jul 2018 14:38:01
I think most of us would take Willian over nobody coming in for the right, as we are so desperate out there. It's a bit Perisicy for me though (remember that debate last year), there is better out there for the money, not much development to come from Willian either.

I'd hate us to buy Willian and then that stop us going for somebody better. I think for the money in question we can afford to wait, Chelsea are asking too much imo. I'd let them blink first, either with price or them signing a replacement and being lumbered with an expensive unhappy squad player. I think we'll pick up Ā£30m+ by selling Mata as well.

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03 Jul 2018 16:08:21
Beast I seriously would rather not sign someone than sign the wrong person.

For me the biggest problem we have had since Sir Alex retired has been recruitment. We have signed so many players who were not as good as those who they were replacing or signings made for "branding" reasons. We've spent nearly 500m since Sir Alex left, of which over 200-250m was completely wasted. And that's not including the wages. What sort of team could we have right now with 200-250m worth of the right players already in the squad.

I would honestly rather have no one come in on the right hand side than the wrong person. We currently have Mata and Lingard who can do a job there. Sanchez can play there as well and we have Chong in the youth set up who could be given a chance.

Personally I have said previously I would like to see us go with a 442 diamond or 352 formation next season. With Martial and Rashford given more time as strikers alongside Lukaku. This would also hopefully take some of the pressure off of Lukaku who will be playing another full season after a 55+ game season and a world cup. So it might be a bit too much to expect him to play 55+ games as a lone striker.

In which case a player for wide right is less of a requirement.

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03 Jul 2018 16:19:27
Couldnā€™t agree more beast. Willian is better than no one but I would like us to aim higher. That would obviously be bale but I donā€™t feel confident we can get that done. Maybe if zidane had stayed we would we have been able to. But I think it may be difficult now.

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03 Jul 2018 16:35:16
Supposedly Jose's priorities ate a back up striker and a top centre back. I agree we've wasted a lot of money of players not good enough. Hopefully some of these will depart in the next few weeks but I'm not going to hold my breath.

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Review Of The Day 3rd July 2018

03 Jul 2018 06:41:19
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 3rd July 2018

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