Manchester United Banter Archive October 03 2013

03 Oct 2013 23:19:18
I meant hull city lmao

03 Oct 2013 22:04:55
I am not going to jump on the "Moyes Out" Bandwagon as I believe he needs a good season or two before we start seeing his team play. Remember that this is Fergie's side and after a poor transfer window Moyes couldn't really make a huge difference.

My issues are the quality of our players. We have too many average and dire players to be classed as a Champions league winning team. Because let's face it that and the league are the two things we want to win.

The lack of top quality footballers in our squad is becoming a huge problem. For a title winning side we have 5-6 players who can be classed as top players! Now looking at the other big European teams such as Bayern, Barca and Madrid have usually 10-11 top class players starting each game, even with some on the bench! Then we have DDG, Rafael? Vidic, Carrick, Rooney and RVP who can be placed in that criteria, which is quite poor.

We have some players such as Jones, Kagawa, Januzaj and Hernandez who have the ability and potential to be absolute class players, but they just aren't given the chances, some with justified reasons others with absolute nonsense of excuses.

Why isn't Kagawa playing more for us? Obviously he is going to disappoint if he is only given a couple of chances to impress us. But I bet he would improve out attack by loads if given the vital chances he needs. Instead of Ashley Young or Anderson.

I'm hoping this January we try to fix atleast the LB or CM problems we have. Then in the summer the perfect scenario would be if the Board backed Moyes and cleared out a lot of the players who are poor and replace them with promising, young and quality footballers.

A January of Herrera and Coentrao/Another LB.

Then a Summer with Anderson, Young, Ferdinand and Evra out. And Garay and a quality winger such as Reus or Di Maria brought in would set us up for a few good seasons.

Who would be happy if we had a January and Summer like that or similar?

I think Moyes needs to listen and appeal to the fans. Most fans know that Young is rubbish, we want to see Kagawa, Januzaj etc. If he keeps playing these waste of space players then nothing will improve. I'd rather us play a team that is more ambitious and lose than play this horrendous brand of football that we have adopted. I have never seen our team accept a result and play so negatively in my life.

Young might be rubbish but he works hard and that's a big requirement for Moyes whether we like it or not.

Mike
I work hard, doesn't mean I should be playing for United. No excuses, Young should not be picked over Januzaj or Kagawa.

Chinese Whispers

Everytime Kagawa has played this season he has done abolutely nothing.
We all know he's talented but that doesn't give him the god given right to play.
He's been awfull this season, he's never in the game. It seems to just by pass him, his first touch has been bad and he's been getting knocked off the ball far to easily.
I don't like Young but Mike does make a valid point, he doesn work hard.
The hard facts are that we need 4-5 real class players bringing in.
There are far to many mediocre players at this club now.

Simmo

Kagawa plays a quick passing game and was successful in it at Dortmund. It was a game we saw Bayern play with some aplomb on Wednesday. Then we wonder why he is not being successful in a slow turgid defensive style with players not able to play the quick passing game.

I questioned at the time we bought him because unless we changed our style notably he would be wasted with us. Now we are seeing it doesn't work and will likely lose Kagawa if everything stays the same. I felt when we bought Fellaini and expressed it that it was the wrong direction and when you step back there could be little synergy between the two totally different type of footballers yet it seems obvious what Moyes wants and we have to get on with it. I would expect Kagawa to go next summer all things being equal

Redman

NEWSFLASH. he doesn't play at Dortmund he plays for Manchester United in a completely different league and a completely different system.
The hard facts are he doesn't fit in and is struggling with the pace and the pysical side of the game.
I do agree with you about Fellaini, for me it was nothing more than a very expensive panic buy.
I was baffled at the whole deal, he is never a man united player and I don't know what he will bring to this team in the long run.
I honestly can't see him being at United in 2-3 years time.
Moyes has dropped a complete clanger on this one and has wasted a lot of money, money that could have bought a different top class midfielder like Gundogen, Herrera, Bender, Draxler etc.
It's hard to envisage what direction we are going in at the moment, I will get behing Moyes 100% but in the back of mind i'm already thinking is this job to big for him.
Micheal Laudrup would have been a good choice for me, he plays great football and could easily of attracted class players to the club.

Wow Rooneys number 1 fan accusing Kagawa of a poor first touch? Some people really do see what they want to. Kagawa's first touch is far superior to Rooneys and anyone with eyes can see that. How can a player given no time and taken off at half time in games have a chance to do anything?

Just so you are aware, this isn't an anti Rooney post Simmo, I know you get touchy about it so wanted to point that out.

Brendan then please tell me what he has brought to the plate so far?
He continues to get 4 and 5 out of 10 everytime he plays, he get's taken off because he's performed poorly.
By the way your becoming boring now about Rooney, I think it's you tha's obsessed. Everytime I post something you bring Rooney up now.
Get a life!

There is no doubting Kagawa is talented and was a star at Dortmund but he hasn't been able to recreate that form in a red shirt. His performances this season have been poor. He could just need more time in the team to settle & also play in his correct position to prove himself but I don't think he will get that oppurtunity. Rooney seems to be number one choice playing behind RVP.

I only said you were Rooneys biggest fan, didn't actually say anything about him. Now he is fit and has got over a busy summer, Kagawa needs a run of at least 5 full games to allow him a chance to shine. Since signing, injuries and internationals have made it difficult, but even in the few appearances, anyone with knowledge of the game will have seen what he is capable of, if given the chance and not played in a sh*t 442. His first touch, movement, passing and shooting are first class.

Kagawa is a skillful player but unfortunately dave the rave doesn't fancy him, the problem is when he does get game time our build up play is so slow he could probably have a kip before someone gets near him for a pass.tremendous talent in a fast paced skillful team which definately doesn't describe us, can definately see him going by the summer

03 Oct 2013 19:44:40
Interesting comments from Bilbao president on Herrera and Gomes.

""Ander has a contract until 2016. All players have to focus on giving Athletic all you can give."

Urrutia also took the opportunity to play down speculation linking Tottenham with a move for Ibai Gomez, saying the forward is one of four players in line to receive a new contract with Los Leones.

Tottenham had hoped to sign Ibai to a pre-contract in January ahead of free transfer next summer, but Athletic hope to tie him down before then because they know they will not be able to compete with any Spurs' offer."

Did not realize Spurs are after Ibai Gomes, we have to be blind if this guy is available on a free next summer and can sign him this January and do not move for him.

I would be surprised if we didn't already have a deal in place to bring him in January. Edd must have learnt his lesson?

04 Oct 2013 10:17:02
Guess what, I bet we are blind and we don't go for him. Ed02 however has said that we are interested in Konoplyanka which would be a very good move indeed.

03 Oct 2013 17:54:19
if Dortmund are after kagawa then could we possibly use him as part of a deal to sign reus I know it probs won't happen but would love to see reus at united. also think we can't pass up luke shaw and ross barkley we should sign them both in the summer.

Nice idea in principle, but I don't think Kagawa would return to Germany telling his mates tales of joy about life at Manchester United. I would love to see Reus and Gundogan at United though.

Reus is a local Dortmund boy who left Gladbach to play for his home team, he's not leaving Dortmund.

Kagawa plus cash for Gundogan would be a great deal. I'm gutted we are going to see Kagawa go elsewhere and shine like thr true talent he is but he's clearly not loved / rated enough by DM!

Rooney out injured and he still doesn't play lol.

DM is really p!ssing me off with the way he's handling Kagawa. It's becoming a joke. It's clear to see he's such a talent yet he's just been wasting away on the bench. Fair enough wasn't fully match fit for the first 3-4 games but giving him match time is the quickest way to get him fit and feeling sharp.

With the clubs interested in reus we will not compete, he will go for silly money if he decides to leave dortmund

And why would Kags work as a sweetener? May it be because he is an incredible talent if handled right and given a chance?

03 Oct 2013 17:27:31
One thing that I think sums up our change from free flowing exciting football to the horror show we are currently subjected to is the constant reference to our wingers being chosen for their "Defensive" capabilities.

How many top clubs pick their wingers based on how they can defend?

Welbeck and Valencia seem to be getting praise more for their defensive work than their attacking play by the media, makes me sick to think of the great wingers we have had, never are their defensive "qualities" discussed, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Beckham, Ronaldo - now we have the likes of Young, Welbeck, Valencia, picked on that basis.

Moyes (if you're reading)- Let's get back to picking a team based on attacking the opposition not worrying about what they can do on the wings. Zaha, Juanijuz, Kagawa, even Nani (who I can't stand) all need to be playing regularly with Fellaini holding the midfield, drop Carrick & Cleverley as they slow everything down far too much. With Rooney & Kagawa behind RVP we would scare teams into playing defensive players again so we don't get obliterated on the counter.

We should go gung-ho attack for a few games and give teams something to think about.

There are a lot of similarities emerging between the appointment of DM to United and Hodgson to Liverpool IMO

I would like to see free flowing, attractive attacking football too.But be fair to Moyes, he hasn't just introduced boring defensive football to OT. We have been playing that way for the last 3 or so years. Our current predicament is not all down to David Moyes.

I agree but my concern is that DM's legacy at Goodison is of playing defensive percentage football. That's why I'm concerned. If he signs some creative players (or can convince them to sign) then we'll get a better picture. Fear the worst, hope for the best:-)

2008 seems a lifetime ago now don't it kids :(

The game reminded me of England v Ukraine. Both England and United went to Ukraine determined not to lose. England with Roy, I expected that but not from my United. But I think that's the direction Moyes is taking this club. Tough to beat and try to nick a goal. He has no use for our creative players that are not big physical players. Depressing.

Im not a moyes fan, but don't forget we haven't played free flowing football for a few years

03 Oct 2013 15:28:20
To all you fans' of Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton bla bla, who seem to be reveling in our current predicament - should remember that United are the biggest club on the planet, and will invariably come good in the end, even if it takes a season or two to put things right.

I have to laugh at the Arsenal lot. They have been let down by so many false dawns before, I am surprised that they are so vocal.

Anyway, make the most of it, because we will be back on top before long!

If your name wasn't there then I would have thought that I had written this post.Totally agree with you mate, let's see who will be laughing in May.

As a supporter prior to Munich . this is the worst squad in my opinion in the last 50 years . no heart for the club . this appears to be the start of the slippery slope Sir Alex was aware of . so many BIG clubs in Europe now . who are streets ahead in organisation . and NOT foreign owned . Soon Obama may be wanting his share soon from the Glaziers . won't be a kitty to spend in January

Dear mr samthered
that's the spirit ngiak is proud of you
lets all give moyes a kick with a flipper up his.
and let's get behind him and the players
ngiak feels a change is blowing
this false dawn is breaking
gan

03 Oct 2013 17:16:38
You are no longer and Alex Ferguson inspired United, you have David Moyes who is the same manager who last season with not many games to go failed to inspire his team to reach the top four.

How are you so blind to see the position you are in. You will be no where come May and these fans will be back to remind of the crazy predictions some of you are making about a woefully out of form squad full of dead wood.

Your run of bad games and poor football is into double figures if you include last season and nothing seems on the horizon to stop that.

Worst of all you've had 20 years of giving it big licks and 6 games in you can't handle it back.

How pathetic does that make you all look. Take it on the chin, everyone else has.

"Anyway, make the most of it, because we will be back on top before long!"

Is Sir Alex coming back?

Finish low might just be a good thing as we would get rid of bad players

Biggest club on the planet? Ho Ho. your not even the best club in Manchester. And until you beat Liverpools all time record, including 5 European Cups, you most certainly arn not the most successful club on the planet i'm afraid.

Wallace, I really don't have the time to sit here and absolutely pull apart your absurd claims. Suffice to say that Moyes' will be given time to deliver. If he doesn't, someone else will be brought in who will deliver. I mean FFS, United are a global concern, and are too big to just stumble and fall. This isn't the late 80's, and we're not Liverpool.

Even as bad as things are at the moment, we will still finish above your mob this season. Jose seems hell bent on getting the tick-tack by Christmas.

Mate we are the biggest and you lot and whitey are further away from top 4 than you think. 6th is where you end up mate and back to the drawing board LOL

03 Oct 2013 21:50:02
Sam,

I'm happy to wait for you to pick it apart, to tell me who is on form and playing out of their skin, who is going to get the ball to an agravated and unhappy RVP to get him to score.

Explain why so many teams are just bye passing your non existant midfield.

Explain why the biggest club on the planet has 1 solitary point from Liverpool, Chelsea and City.

Explain where this attractive football is coming from, explain how you think that not just us but the rest of the EPL such as West Brom are going for the throat.

Explain the skill sets and ability being shown by Welbeck, Cleverley, Young, Nani, Giggs, Kagawa, Valencia and a Wayne Rooney who is simply running about looking busy.

Explain why the mighty Manchester United where happy to take a single point off a weakened Shaktar and have a single shot on goal.

Explain why you bought an out of depth Fellaini and why you're looking to buy a third tier Spanish Guy for 30 million euro's to shore that midfield up, whilst us, Arsenal, City, Madrid, Barca and Bayern have all the top Spanish boys.

Please do I've got all night.Marcellus Wallace

Are Liverpool fans now getting so giddy in their ok start that they now think they have won more than Madrid? They can't help themselves! And they call us arrogant.

Do u write this much drivel on your own site . Or have you bored everyone to death on there as well?

Mr wallace. I like your style. In many ways you just echo the concerns of many at the moment - but just seen from a different perspective. I enjoy having a mirror held up to Utd. It's a great way to cut through the crap and be held accountable for some fans seeming inability to deal with honest critisicm. and the way things are right now criticism is everywhere - some of it just and some unjust. Only time will tell how the post SAF era will be. but I reckon it'll be fine - different- but fine.

Pancho we haven't won more than Madrid but we've won more than your lot.

Biggest club on the planet?! I think there are a few teams outside of Europe who would beg to differ; Real Madrid (9 European cups), Milan (7), Munich (4), & Barcelona (4). As for squads that would currently you would really struggle to beat bayern, dortmund, Barcelona, Madrid, Man City, PSG, and juventus would all be big favourites to beat united. With clubs like bayern, real and barca being miles ahead of any teams on the planet with Dortmund being the closest to them. It's not just a united thing IMO English fans don't realise how far ahead those teams are, look at city (who destroyed united at home) got torn to pieces by bayern, our teams are seriously far behind these teams and can see no reason why any player wouldn't choose them over ours making catching them up extremely difficult. As for money our league is over all richer but their top clubs spending power is immense (look at their previous transfer records).

"Plymouth red" says it all really! Are you talking argyle? He said you the scousers had won more they haven't - fact!

03 Oct 2013 13:02:07
Well the result was much better than the performance. But an away draw at Shahktar is a good result, I know they've lost a few good players over the summer. But they are a club who are used to losing their best players and replacing them with good young prospects. They are a club used as a stepping stone for a lot of south american players. And even with a team in a constant state of flux they always remain a tough team to beat at home. So a draw is a good result.

The performance wasn't very good, but from a defensive point of view it was an improvement. The 451/433 formation did make us a much tougher team to break down, I do wonder how we would have played if Rooney was fit? Because we would have played with two upfront and probably would have lost due to the lact of numbers in midfield.

The other thing I saw that worried me was that Fellaini was playing as the furthest forward midfielder. That was the one issue I had with signing him, although his hold up and pass for Welbecks goal was good amd something we wouldn't have seen last season.

But a player of Fellaini's limited technical ability should be playing as the deepest midfielder not the most advanced.

But the thing i've noticed which is most concerning may be an issue with training. Last season Rio was one of our best most consistant defenders, this season he has been nothing short of a liability. If it was just Rio I could say its just a season too far, so far this season RvP has been off the pace. He has also picked up and injury which he managed to avoid all last season.

Rio and RvPs injury issues are well known, and it was also well known that last season the club taylored their training specifically for them so as to not over stretch them and to keep them in the best shape to play in the games.

Moyes is known for his tough training sessions that push players to their limit. I wonder whether Moyes has continued the previous training programmes or whether he has brough in new ones which seems likely.

I wonder whether these new training programmes could be blamed for both Rio and RvPs poor start to the season. If so then someone needs to pull him aside and explain the situation to him. The lost of Rio isn't the end of the world with Vidic Smalling Evans and Jones all in defence. But the potential lost of RvP or a lost of form for him would have a massive effect on the teams performances over the season.

That is a very good point Shappy about the training, and I think someone touched on it pre-season too. There is nothing wrong with wanting the players to be as fit as possible, but like you say there need to be special regimes for certain players. Tailoring a training / fitness programme for players should be a given at this level. It was not long ago that Ledley King hardly trained at all during the week, yet he was Spurs' best defender for a long time. Like you said, David Moyes should be aware of such needs. But then, he did get rid of all our backroom staff, so maybe he isn't aware! lol

03 Oct 2013 11:40:22
just a thought with mclaren now taking over derby and supposedly wanting keane on loan we should ask for first refusal on the lad hughes with a comitment to loaning derby up and coming youngsters especialy with mclarens previose tie with united

Great idea, maybe that is what has been discussed already. Although no doubt the person that used to do that has moved on!

He and his family are huge Pool fans, I doubt you'll stand a chance.

We do not need anymore potential, we need proven talent.

Plymouth,

My mate is a massive Barnsley fan, but I think he would prefer to play for United. Bigger club so more likely to want to play for them.

And the award for stupidity comment of the day goes to Plymouth red! Well done buddy!

We have 10 guys in our system like him with high potential. Completely overhyped. Need to buy much higher caliber players now or you can get players of his quality for half his price from the european continent.

GDS - I lived in Barnsley during my youth, mate, and I don't think anyone of sound mind would particularly want to live there, regardless of the club ;)

I should also of mentioned Liverpool are pressing for a deal, and in your current state I think a Barnsley fan would choose Barnsley over United.

03 Oct 2013 10:47:04
is there anything to read into rooneys exclusion last night?.

i no we were told he has a swollen shin but would it have anything to do with fergie's comments in the press yesterday?!

ps there is a thing called shingards!

What is worse is that Moyes said he wasn't going to be involved anyway wtf is wrong with that man like him or not rooney is the only player doing anything for us this season so far

Maco,

If you have ever played football in shin guards you will at some point have received a kick in the shin that affected your shin in quite a bad way. It would be a lot worse without the shin guards but they are not bullet proof armour, it is quite easy to still get injured shins whilst wearing them.

Stop with the conspiracy theories, he was just injured.

A month ago I would have said definitely. But no way now, he is in a great vain of form and the media are loving him at the minute, he wants that to continue so he has more interest next Summer.

If he was able to he would have played guaranteed.

At least England should benefit if we get to the World Cup as well, one final push to get that mega money move to City or Chelsea.

GDS

totally understand that shin guards won't saved you from being killed by a bullet but just taught as he played with a deep cut on his forehead with a protective band that a swollen shin would be just as easy managed?!

also was on the banter page so I taught i'd throw something different in to the mix from the current negative vibes that's on here by some people!

Probably wouldn't have played him as he knew there would be no point. He would have touched the ball about 5 times in the Ukraine.

Have to agree what is Moyes doing saying Rooney would not have played all he had to do is say he was injured and leave it at that. If you were Rooney what you have thought he has been our best player this season and would not have played last night when the likes of Tony V starts. Also Moyes has to stop talking about Fergie and be his own man doesn't matter what Fergie achieved Moyes is manger now.

Maco, an injury to his head wouldn't affect his mobility tho.

Thats because there's nothing between his ears stevie

03 Oct 2013 09:30:10
First off just let me say this is not me taking the opportunity to slate David Moyes. He has my full support until he has had a fair chance.
I just wanted to say that you have to be inpressed with Pep Gaurdiola at Bayern. He too has come in to a very successful side who have expectation of success much like United. OK, he has not had to replace a long term manager like SAF, but the demands upon him are the same, ie the expectation to win trophies. But I'm afraid that is where the similarities to David Moyes ends.
Pep inherits a very strong team, and then goes and spends in the region of £50 million on Thiago and Goetze ( sorry Sydney! for missing the extra "e"). He was direct, decisive and knew who he wanted, and got them. Though to be fair, Goetze was probably a done deal before Pep arrived. But there was no messing around, he got his business done early and then set about his business. He has won 6 and drawn 1 of his first 7 league games and 2 from 2 in the CL. His team play attractive attacking football, he knows how to use his players, and their best positions and uses modern tactics and formations.
And he does not accept second best. Ever. Take last night, they beat City in their own back yard, and beat them easily. They dominate possession, and look dangerous going forward. But does Pep come out after the game and gloat? No, he is critical of his team for their defending and demands they improve. This is the mentality needed at the biggest football clubs.
It is fair to say that Moyes has a far inferior set of players than Pep, but his negative mindset and demeanour to not instill positivity into the players or the fans. In my opinion at least, he needs to show a more positive approach in every aspect of his duties. Perhaps then the players and fans might start believing in him. It is a tough job taking over from SAF no doubt. But he has to believe that he can do it, or at least give the impression that he can.
Gaurdiola or Klopp would have been my preferred choice, but we have David Moyes now and we must all get behind him and give him our support. But, he also could help himself hugely by following Pep. Be decisive, be positive and demand more from your players . many of whom have let him down badly so far.
SAF has gone, Moyes is here, so let's enjoy the past but look forwards to the future and move on. There are still trophies to be won. {Ed002's Note - Bayern Munich were very disappointed with their business this summer as they failed to get nearly all of the players they were interested in.}

I know Bayern didn't manage to get Lewy who has been a target for very long and has confirmed he will be joining Bayern in the future. But who else did they miss out on ed? {Ed002's Note - Try the European page please.}

Betty,
I think just like he did at barca, with bayern he's inherited a very good team. If he came to United I think It would be a different story, just like moyes he would have had to have spent the first season or so rebuilding the squad. I think moyes will do a fantastic job for us eventually, but it will take time, as it appears he's been left with a bit of a mess.

Jase,
I agree with what you say about inheriting a good team, and yes he would have had to spend big. But my point really was about how Moyes comes across, his whole persona if you like. He comes across like he is in awe of SAF, and doesn't really think he is capable of replacing him. I too think he will come good, given time. I just think he needs to believe in himself and the players more, and more importantly show it. He has bemoaned the tough start and the fixture list, the lack of world class players etc, all of which show him as negative. I just think he would do well to adopt a more positive approach, that's all.

Jase

Dm had 3 months to buy/sell players players. He spend the summer chasing fellaini/baines and fabregas and mad a last day offer for Herrera and final day offer to Coentrao.

I think he is way out of his element when it comes to the transfer market at a club like united after all Everton never had those demands like we do.

Him comparing our situation to Everton and preston is a treat I must say.

I can take the poor football and realize it is the players but his various statements are doing my head in.

03 Oct 2013 19:27:22
Ed02, if that is true then it makes Pep's/Bayern's approach even more impressive. A top class side who have just done the treble go and add two of europes but prospects, and are disappointed with their own lack of investment. Now that is REAL ambition! {Ed002's Note - It is not "lack of investment" - it is the inability to obtain the players they wanted. People here have become totally obsessed with money (a subject which pretty much all fail to grasp in detail), that they have forgotten about the players themselves.}

Be fair Ed, I never once mentioned money. I refered to "invstment" in term of players ie they were disappointed with their lack of signings. I don't believe transfers are all about spending big, but more about signing the right players. That could be £5million or £50million.You said lack of , I said lack of investment. Not the size of the investment. Whatever the terminology, I meant the same thing. {Ed002's Note - You don't think "lack of investment" refers to money?}

Ok Ed I should have rephrased it to "lack of signings". Point taken. But I explained what I meant, and I am sure you understood what I meant. It has nothing to do with a failure to grasp the details of money.

03 Oct 2013 08:03:58
Whats happening with Januzaj? is he likely to sign a contract with us? the daily fail are saying talks have stalled.

It's a contract negotiation. I'm not sure what the hold up is? I think it may be playing time, but I'm not sure. I think he's good enough to go straight into the side. He's a very good talent and we need to agree a deal.

Do you think he will sign Syd? I just hope his head isn't turned to much by big money offers. he seems a top talent and one we really need to keep hold of.

I don't see why he is not getting playing time, he is much better then young and Nani atm and if Moyes insists on using 2 wide payers why not play Januza. We have already seen his glimpses of his quality so far this season so I am quite confused as to why he is not playing.

Your guess is as good as mine. Moyes says Adnan wants to stay, but if that's true he will sign a new deal.

My worry is that he sees our current situation and wonders if he shouldn't to looking to sign elsewhere. Let's hope not.

I don't like the look of this. I genuinely think Januzaj will leave next summer. Personally, I think it's probably a 50/50 split between wanting to play every game and not liking what he sees at OT right now.

We need to play him as much as possible and open the wallet to show the kid that, if he stays, he won't be disappointed.

Red_ SKY

Its all about money and certain playing privileges I would assume. No player not at his age can demand from any top club to be playing every game and neither should they.

03 Oct 2013 02:09:32
What I would do in January is sell young evans buttner buy garay or a centre half very comfortable on the ball I would also get baines or coentrao if we get decent prices for those 3 they shouldn't cost us much and go all out for a quality midfielder gundogan would be my choice. I also think perreira from the academy should get promoted quicker he ahould be in the u21s and involved in league cup.

Why on earth would you want to sell evans?

I wouldn't sell Evans, Vidic will be gone in 18 months.

Young, Nani, Hernandez should be sold, retire Rio & Giggs for their own good.

Hernandez constantly looks angry now and I can't see him getting many games, shame for the lad. Used to have a real joy in him for the game now he just looks fed-up.

I think Smalling is the better player, but I wouldn't contemplate selling Evans. It's players like Evans that have kept us winning trophies.

I would expect to see Jones, Evans, Ferdinand, Nani, Kagawa, Januzaj, Rooney & Hernandez to play against Sunderland after the hefty trek around the world. {Ed002's Note - They have only been to the Ukraine Syd.}

Agree MrSween. I think he would be better for Hernandez if he got more game time and its only a matter of time before he wants more game time. Young and Nani just take up places in the team with no real effect. Rio and Giggs right now are just damaging their own reputations with below par displays.
Hope Subotic is brought in instead of Garay as I rate him higher and he would be a better replacement for Ferdinand. I don't think we need to replace Giggs as Kagawa, Januzaj, Zaha and some youth players showing potential will fill his position. Carrick won't be around much longer though and I honestly think United have to buy someone to replace him as right now (even with the purchase of Fellaini) our midfield is undeniably our worst in years. 2-3 Midfielders need to brought in with Ando and Cleverly moved on. Gundogen, Witsel and Oliver Torres would be my choices. Gundogen is similar to Carrick in the way he controls games. Witsel is like Keane in a fiery way but seemingly without the ability to drag a team forward like keane had. And Oliver Torres is essentially a spanish version of Paul Scholes. Hopefully something like that happens over the next few years but that's only my opinion and I know it is massively unlikely sadly.

It's still a long away trip when playing on a Wednesday and Saturday. Clubs don't like playing in any UCL away game then playing away in the league at the weekend. Donetsk is pretty far for a European tie. I suspect Moyes will change it around slightly. Jones, Evans, Ferdinand, Kagawa, Nani, Young, Januzaj, Rooney & Hernandez are all much fresher than some of last night's players. I wouldn't be surprised if most of these players are in the match-day 18 on Saturday.