Manchester United Banter Archive December 04 2019

 

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04 Dec 2019 22:58:57
Anyone else think is Carrick and Phelan who are major negatives in this coaching set up? How about OGS getting in some progressive, attacking coaches and a new assistant to help him out?

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{Ed0666's Note - How about we keep it as it is Eric 😂

04 Dec 2019 23:10:38
😂😂😂.

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05 Dec 2019 06:30:27
Eric79, I do agree to some extent looking at the in-game management during matches and Ole looks to be getting no proper help from his assistants when it matters.

However, the quality in the squad is such that we are not able to consistently play the high pressing game nor are we able to cut open teams which sit back and defend in numbers. So, unless we get in quality reinforcements and add depth to the squad any change in the coaching setup is not going to help in a significant way for the long term.

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05 Dec 2019 06:43:13
You have no idea what their contribution is, are you just looking for someone else to blame?

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05 Dec 2019 08:25:57
Not exactly working is it AJH?

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05 Dec 2019 09:02:10
Do keep in mind I Genuinely want OGS to work out - every fibre of my body wants it to. If the reports are to be believed, Southgate is being considered. I choose OGS any day of the week.

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05 Dec 2019 09:37:03
Eric79, I have seen the rumors about Southgate and doesn't make any sense. Either get someone more capable or stick with Ole and give him the resources to continue the rebuild.

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04 Dec 2019 21:28:48
Wounder if ole will get a shout out for his tactics today?

The plot to play down aurier side. was that just coincidence

Out beating jose.


Shout out to fred and rashford they were good tonight.

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04 Dec 2019 21:45:18
Fred was great bar his part in their goal, great watching him pass the ball to the flanks. McTominay makes a huge difference though.

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04 Dec 2019 21:50:41
Yeah other than there goal but young is also accountable for that.

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04 Dec 2019 21:55:08
Young and Lingard were both the poor elements in the team in all fairness.

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04 Dec 2019 21:57:36
Their goal was to class can't really blame anyone sublime skill.
Rash motm by a mile.
Really good game first I've enjoyed for a month or more.
We were the better team.
Well done ole got most calls right tonight.

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04 Dec 2019 22:10:30
Ken, Fred was far too easily outmuscled by Dele. Not saying what Dele did wasn't great, but you'd expect a PL footballer to be able to hold his own against him.

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04 Dec 2019 22:32:11
Their goal came from Scott misplacing a pass 30 yards from his own goal, there were mistakes after that but that was the big mistake.

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04 Dec 2019 22:33:55
LLV,

I thought Lingard caused them all sorts of problems with his movement tonight, I’d take him playing like that every week, he’s always been good against the better teams and struggled against the weaker teams, like the whole team at the moment really.

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04 Dec 2019 22:38:33
There was 2 or 3 at fault for the goal but nobody seen that flick coming. Actually thought Fred was really good, offered protection and his use of the ball has improved so much these past few weeks. Mctominey bossed the middle of the park, added tempo and aggression to our play. As for Rashford, he was outstanding. To think he's already got 12 goals this season mostly from the wing in a team that's been playing so badly is a real credit to him. Shades of Ronaldo at times tonight!

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04 Dec 2019 23:01:58
GDD2,

Lingard was poor tonight. He needs to go. He is simply not good enough.

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{Ed0666's Note - I concur mate. Hasn’t fulfilled early potential and is more bothered about off field activities than on field ones. He’s a passenger at best.

04 Dec 2019 23:27:39
I have to confess that I did not expect us to win. I was fearing a three nil loss. The team played with aggression and at times no little skill so well done boys. That said Spurs didn't really turn up. Our next match will show how far we have come and how far we have to go.

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04 Dec 2019 23:30:18
Lingard made the first goal with his pressing.

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04 Dec 2019 23:51:26
ed0666 and not a very good one.

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05 Dec 2019 02:32:51
Ole definitely deserves credit for the win today. But at the same time playing young could have backfired badly but for auerier deciding to cross like our fb's have done in recent times.

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{Ed047's Note - Aurier has to be one of the worst RB’s I’ve ever seen

05 Dec 2019 04:38:30
Fred had one of his best games.
McTominay is just an energy machine.

Young just hoofed up the balls often instead of linking with other players.
Lingard was good with his pressing but poor with his touches.

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05 Dec 2019 06:22:39
Props to Fred. An amazing game.
Lingard needs to go.

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05 Dec 2019 10:21:01
Lingard did ok last night 😂😂.

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05 Dec 2019 12:39:59
Happily confuseed about last nite as didn't expect the result or performances!
De gea couple of good saves, defense much better with young playing well and lindlehof constantly instructing the line to be held, midfield : Mctominay is developing into a definite when fit player who moves the ball well but also has a bit of grit to his game and fred had probably his best shift in a red shirt. The front 3 of rash, outstanding energy, james again tireless work and greenwood put in a good game made a very pleasant performance as well as result. The enigma is how so many players can be on/ off their game at once which is what we have seen for the best part of the year?
Overall summary- immense improvement must work harder to make this the norm.

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04 Dec 2019 21:24:53
Brilliant game. Wonderful win. Chuffed. This is the damn problem. This team is capable of these performances. They just don't do it enough. Midfield or no midfield.

Look out for an essay from Shappy now telling us how Ole is the second coming. There will also be some "brilliant post, couldn't have agreed more" from some of his loyal subordinates 😂😂😂😂.

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04 Dec 2019 21:27:53
You could have just stopped after chuffed. The rest just sounds really churlish, mate.

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04 Dec 2019 21:31:37
Great to win, much needed.

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04 Dec 2019 21:34:28
It’s very frustrating. Despite all the deficiencies we know about, we should have at least 4 more points. It wouldn’t make us title contenders but would put us right in the fight for top 4. Just need some bloody consistency.

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04 Dec 2019 21:37:58
I'm just happy that I won't have to listen to all my spurs mates bigging it up. Also nice to get 1 over jose, wonder how much extra motivation that alone gave the players tonight? 🤔.

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04 Dec 2019 21:40:14
If your going to slag ole off when he gets it wrong at least credit when he gets it right.

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04 Dec 2019 21:47:14
Thought we were excellent especially Rashford. Good to have McTominay back. Thought spurs were woeful.

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04 Dec 2019 22:09:29
Still don't know if Jose picked McTom to prove a point, or because he genuinely saw something in him. I think and hope it was the latter, so fair play to him. Makes the odd mistake, but struts around the midfield area like he owns it, at such a young age. Great attitude.

I know Young was possibly at fault for the goal, but I still think it was the right call to pick him. Young Williams can still be a bit rash at the back, and I think an older, more experienced head was needed tonight. Good result, and thoroughly deserved.

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04 Dec 2019 22:21:46
Shan, everyone is in full agreement that Ole doesn't have the credentials to manage United and no one mentioned he is the second coming or something. Just like you and others are slagging Ole off at any given chance, people who like Ole are trying to support him given the state of the club into account and the sentiments they have for the man - nothing wrong in that.

I do like whatever the right things he is trying to do at the club - clearing out players that are not good enough, bringing in youth, trying to play a high-pressing game, etc. However I am critical of the performances on the pitch, his tactical flaws and his ability to keep the players focused and motivated. If he can improve on these things and get the right results consistently with the players on his side, I don't mind having him around and complete the rebuild.

To be honest, it has been a frustrating season so far and I for one hope that we go on a rich vein of form winning matches from now on and come Jan/ next summer we strengthen the squad with some quality additions and kick on from there. This cycle of changing managers has gone on for too long without any significant improvements and I do not want any more knee-jerk reactions from the club.

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04 Dec 2019 15:50:18
Kickoff tonight at 7.30pm. how do we see it going?

Honestly and painfully, I can see jose walking away with 3 points 😩.

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{Ed047's Note - it certainly wouldn’t surprise me mate but you have turned up against the big teams.

04 Dec 2019 16:47:29
Its a tricky one. On the face of it Spurs have a far more experienced and successful manager, a better group of players and are in better form.

Yet, we often have had most success against the bigger sides. That said we tend to have done, based on the idea that those sides attack more freely and give us more space to counter in. That is unlikely to be the case against a Mourinho side.

I suspect we will lose, even if my heart says we will win.

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04 Dec 2019 17:09:31
We will lose 2.0 and we will lose the game against City aswell.

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04 Dec 2019 17:21:09
We'll lose, but likely score a goal or two. Spurs have shipped a few recently and we seem to be finding some goal scoring form, but we can't keep them out. I'd say we'll lose 3-3-2.

I don't see us beating City either, and I think we may find ourselves managerless after that.

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04 Dec 2019 17:24:34
I actually think we are more likely to win the game against City than we are against Spurs.

Firstly, Spurs have a better defence and a manager who knows how to not concede.

Secondly, we will more likely have McTominay back against City.

Finally, City are very susceptible to counter attacks with Laporte out injured, which is our best form of attack.

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04 Dec 2019 17:25:17
I'm thinking 3-1 spurs win though I hope I'm wrong. As for City 😱 I'd rather not think about it.

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04 Dec 2019 17:50:08
Win today

Draw or late loss against city.

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04 Dec 2019 17:43:07
As the Ed says, we turn up occasionally, sometimes in big games. We are at home and I am not sure which manager will be more nervous, neither wanting to lose. A 2-1 score for me, just not sure which way.

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04 Dec 2019 18:59:08
We will win and all wake up from this horrible nightmare. It will be the spring board for a win against city and our surge up the table.

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04 Dec 2019 19:11:21
Ashley young, maybe tottenham win!

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04 Dec 2019 22:44:04
Glad to see you were all wrong.

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05 Dec 2019 02:01:52
I am glad i was wrong too and a brilliant win well done!

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05 Dec 2019 03:36:55
Redman that's 2 correct scorelines in 3 days.

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Top 10 Right-Backs

04 Dec 2019 14:33:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Top 10 Right-Backs

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05 Dec 2019 10:58:31
Great list, I am sure this wasnt an easy fete by any means. I recently tried to compile a similar list with a mate simply for fun, we couldn't conclude. Had All of the ones you listed but couldn't decide on Vrsaljko (who but for injury i think is better than trippier), Mario Fernandes and cancelo prior to city move lol.

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{Ed001's Note - it is not easy, usually you get to the end and remember someone you completely forgot.}

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05 Dec 2019 11:14:16
Well kudos to you, I don't envy you one bit though :P.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate. It is so difficult choosing, if I wrote the same list ten minutes after I would probably choose a different order.}

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04 Dec 2019 12:58:38
Ed001, what do you think about United's midfield duo of fred and Andreas Pereira ?

Will any team succeed having these at as the focal point in midfield ?

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{Ed001's Note - it is possible, they are a good combination of types. Fred provides the combative, mobile ball winner, Pereira the silky passing. On paper it should be workable. Both were highly rated before becoming regulars with United, so the question has to be were they overrated or just not being used correctly by United?}

04 Dec 2019 13:37:34
For me Pereira's issue is he has played far too much in many different positions and hasn't been able to maximise his ability in any one position/ role. I think he works best as a destructive No.10, someone who can press and harass the opposition then play the killer pass when the ball is overturned. Unfortunately he tends to play with his head down when he gets the ball in the final third and looks to shoot when other players are in better positions.

Fred, could be a very good player if used correctly. But he isn't a holding midfielder either as a deeplying playmaker or as a destructive shield in front of the defence. He needs to play as a roaming ball winner, either as part of a double pivot with a holding midfielder or on the right of a three man midfield.

The issue isn't so much that they are bad players, but that they need the right players alongside them to get the best out of them.

If we had a proper holding midfielder, either as a playmaker or destructive shield then we would look more stable in midfield. We also lack that creative spark in the final third who can unlock a low block.

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04 Dec 2019 15:39:32
the simple fact is pereira is garbage.

fred has been better but he isn't the type of player to control games.

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{Ed047's Note - I love shappy’s stories. 😍

04 Dec 2019 15:58:02
we just need a new midfield.

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04 Dec 2019 16:32:59
shappy so pereira's biggest strength is his ability to play a killer pass but his weakness is his inability to want to pass, makes total sense.

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04 Dec 2019 16:44:04
Andreas I'm afraid simply does not have the quality, for me he reminds me of cleverly, his overhype and now similar toils, similar players also.
There is a player in Fred and he should stay and form part of our midfield but we need 2 serious additions for cm.

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04 Dec 2019 16:46:53
Perreira: see that defence? I could split it with a through ball.

Fred: do it!

Perreira: naw mate don’t want to. But I could.

Ole: wow, what a talent!

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04 Dec 2019 16:59:54
CSM, I thought what I wrote made sense. However, I am dyslexic so I appreciate I've probably not been as clear as I could have been.

The first sentence "I think he works best as a destructive No.10, someone who can press and harass the opposition then play the killer pass when the ball is overturned" is referring to they type of role he plays best in. It is the idealised view of what the role should be, not necessarily how he does perform.

The second sentence "Unfortunately he tends to play with his head down when he gets the ball in the final third and looks to shoot when other players are in better positions" is how he often does play.

So what I was saying was this is how he should play, but this is how he actually performs.

Hope that's a bit clearer.

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04 Dec 2019 17:01:36
But they are happy.

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04 Dec 2019 17:10:21
Shappy its not your writing i am wondering about but your thought process mate, i think danny put it perfectly.

How can he be best suited to role a where he needs to pass when watching him makes it clear he is a ball hog who refuses to pass. That's like assuming valencia would have been a great left winger when everyone can see he refuses to use his left foot.

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04 Dec 2019 19:57:45
Don't want to be rude or blunt here but i'm struggling to see how people think Pereira is anything other than simply not good enough.
He's had a run in the team in various positions, along with Fred and we are 10th. There has been one decent delivery on Sunday for the goal and apart from his hard work (should be a given) he's gives us nothing going forward.

It's really not that hard to see a talent and most people can see it straight away. Pereira is not even close to being good enough and at 24 it's embarrassing he is a regular in this team.

Gibson, Cleverley, Eagles, Greening, Bellion, Richardson, Mcheada, Obertan, Thornely, Clegg, Curtis, King, and now Pereira.
The list is endless and him and Bebe are top of it.
Love giving young players a chance but they need to be good enough.

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04 Dec 2019 11:20:25
Martial is out tonight.
Does ole go with youth and throw greenwood on as a straight swap?
Or does he move rash in from where he is scoring?
Move james back to the left?
Or change formation altogether?

Id go with greenwood as a straight swap. He looks like scoring every time he plays which is more than you can say for martial.
It minimises disruption to the team.
He has earned the chance.

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04 Dec 2019 11:24:58
I think Ole will 3 at the back, with Lingard as number 10 and Rash and James up front.

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04 Dec 2019 11:25:33
Switch to 5-3-2? Extra body in midfield with pacebof rash and james up front wide. Jesse in false nine/ 3rd midfielder role? (Not that he has really earned it)

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04 Dec 2019 12:13:34
I don't see Greenwood starting. Plus you always need a player on the bench who can change things and get you a goal.

I would switch to 4312 or 3412. My preference would be to keep a back four, but with us having so few midfielders I struggle to see how we name three in the middle.

Have Rashford and James up front. Lingard in the No.10 role, he has been poor but his off the ball work against a top side will be needed, and he has a habit of scoring in the important games.

In midfield I would go with Fred and Levitt. However, I don't see Andreas Pereira being dropped. Maybe play all three is the solution, rather than going to a back three.

That would give is a lot of work rate and numbers in midfield, with pace up front. If Tuanzebe is fit enough to play the full 90 then I would start him ahead of Lindelof who will likely be targeted by Jose who knows his weaknesses better than anyone. If we can go into the game with AWB, Tuanzebe, Maguire and Williams then Jose will only really know Tuanzebe, but not as well as he knows Lindelof or Jones for example. Jose is a well prepared manager, we need him to have as little intimate knowledge of our defence as possible. As he will exploit any insider knowledge he has.

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04 Dec 2019 12:15:30
Yes Greenwood has a striker's instinct.
Hope its a straight swap between Martial and Greenwood.

But yet again the midfield is the biggest concern. We just simply lack quality with Andreas, Mata or Fred.

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04 Dec 2019 12:16:09
Could even go 4312 with an extra body in midfield. Spurs tend to play narrow and rely on fullbacks for width. James and rash are ideal to pin back fullbacks. Mctom, Andreas, Fred, with Jesse at 10.

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04 Dec 2019 12:40:01
We will need a strong midfield tonight. If Spurs are on form though they will just be far too strong for us regardless of who we put out. Bearing that in mind I would play four four two with James and Rashford up top in midfield I woukd have Jesse and Garner to provide some attacking threat and have pereira and feed sitting more defensively. Would instruct our fullbacks to try and get forward to provide as much width as poss. Then have Gomez and Greenwood on the bench as attacking options.

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04 Dec 2019 12:41:08
Not sure I would be starting McTominay. We can't afford to rush him back and risk him breaking down again. He was carrying a knock for a few games before the injury. Maybe a role on the bench with 20-30 minutes in the second half to shore us up in the closing stages.

We need Mctominay over the Christmas period, better for him to miss one game now then 3-4 over a two week period over Christmas.

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04 Dec 2019 12:45:31
I believe McT is still injured.

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04 Dec 2019 12:56:12
I think he’ll go with 3 cb’s with Fred, Perreira and Lingard / Mata in midfield and Rashford and James up top. They could cause problems for Spurs’s cb’s.

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04 Dec 2019 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 4th December 2019

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