Manchester United Banter Archive January 04 2020

 

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04 Jan 2020 16:08:01
Ed's I know i shouldn't believe a word I read from the papers but the story that suggested Uniteds transfer acquisition team tried to bypass Rioja during Haaland talks rings so similar to Ed 002's claims that we are amateur at best in our dealings. Any truth that we did indeed try and pull a fast one again and deal with Alfie instead?

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{Ed002's Note - According to Mino it was not quite like that, but amateurish still.}

04 Jan 2020 17:41:43
I don't know enough about what agents do or don't to know who is a great agent and who isn't, however, Raiola gets plenty of stick.

Undoubtedly some agents will be easier to work with than others but if we're daft enough to pay Raiola mental amounts of cash to get deals done then that's our fault not his. If I was a top player I'm pretty sure I wouldn't mind on a personal level having him as an agent as from the outside he always appears to get good deals for his players.

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04 Jan 2020 18:46:17
What do you think of Raiola as an agent ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - He gets the best deals he can for the players and others he deals with. He is straightforward and honest.}

04 Jan 2020 19:27:34
I think the same. I always say, if I wanted an agent, I think I'd choose him. Seems to get the best deals.

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04 Jan 2020 22:41:18
His players seem to love him but he could do with some PR help and for the players.

Pogba is killing his own brand with Mino and needs some proper advice on that front imo.

I also think Mino will be fuming he can’t get Pogba out even though the player wants to leave. Doesn’t play will for him and probably why he’s bad mouthing. I can see why it looks bad on the club too but when you sign a contract you sign for period of time. Utd need to accept he can leave for free or now for a fee.

We all know Fergie had his favourite agents and Mino never played ball that’s why I think he has a bit of bad tint to Utd fans.

I’m the same AR- you’d want the biggest baddest b&$tard repping for you. why bark when you have a dog.

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing about “brand”. And Mino is not “fuming”.}

05 Jan 2020 05:45:28
Was the pogba from juve transfer not held up because of him demanding a big fee?

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{Ed002's Note - He was paid a big fee.}

04 Jan 2020 14:57:55
Ed002, good afternoon.
Lots of reports today linking madrid and juve with player plus cash offers for pogba.
The players mentioned in part exchange groom juve are emre can or Raibot.
From madrid kroos.
Do you think any of those 3 players would want to join and of the 3 which player would suit best for United long term if a deal could be done?
Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - They have plenty of players they could include as part of the deal. It is perhaps no more than the batch picked today.}

04 Jan 2020 15:29:58
Ok thanks. Just hope it gets done in jan .
I won't hold my breath.

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04 Jan 2020 15:59:32
Rabiot would be a good addition, kroos is pure class but at the arse end of his career so I'd be surprised if we were into that.

I'm past caring who we get in return at this point, I just hope we move pogba on, we are in enough trouble atm and the continued circus is just making things worse.

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{Ed002's Note - I would doubt that you will be seeing Rabiot.}

04 Jan 2020 16:11:18
Unfortunate ed, think he is a very good player.

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04 Jan 2020 08:01:07
So, if Ole got sacked, who is actually available/ or willing to join the club given that it isn't being run well?

Then there is the DOF which the club don't seem be interested in appointing one.

Not sure if ED001/ 002 can answer this, but do you think the club would struggle to attract a top manager now, given how the club is being run?

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{Ed002's Note - Mauricio Pochettino.}

04 Jan 2020 09:05:54
How would you rate him as an option going forward for us Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - I cannot easily do that - the problem is the attitude of the amateurs that run the club.}

04 Jan 2020 10:42:31
Thanks ED002.

Is it a know it all attitude the club have?

They believe they are doing right and wo t be told otherwise?

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{Ed002's Note - The problem is that the coach is not up to the job, the advice over some transfers is being ignored, the decision whether to throw money at transfers under this coach has not been made - it is amateurish.}

04 Jan 2020 11:43:03
If it’s a case that Pochettino is interested, we should be doing everything to get him. Sort the manager position out and then address the other issues we have. Easier said than done tbh.

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04 Jan 2020 11:25:19
Thanks, ED002.

May I ask whose advice is being ignored, or will that open up a can of worms?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

04 Jan 2020 12:32:35
#weliveinhopeforfreshair.

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04 Jan 2020 13:38:10
What's it's got to get to for them to start running the club proper?

Relegation haha.

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{Ed002's Note - It needs gutting and news staff from the five assistant managers up.}

04 Jan 2020 13:54:10
Ed02 when you say amateurs does that mean Ed? The board? Or the owners? Who in your mind is the main culprit for the mess we are in?

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the owners.}

04 Jan 2020 14:25:11
Why are owners not at fault ed002? If the people running the club are as inept as you claim, the responsibility of getting rid of such people falls on people above them.

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{Ed002's Note - You need to understand the structure of the entire business - and Manchester United supporters seem to not understand at all.}

04 Jan 2020 14:36:37
I don't know the structure of man utd but it is clear that the board or whatever passes off as upper management at utd is responsible for the rot that has set in and only people with power to remove those and replace them with better ones are the owners.

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{Ed047's Note - it seems to me that Ed Woodward is untouchable because he brings so much money into the club

04 Jan 2020 14:56:47
Does he actually bring in much money though? The tifo guys did a video on his financial performance as utd ceo in recent years, the sponsorships or matchday income aren't really growing. It's the tv money that is making things look rosy, on the other hand int expenses are going up, so are the wages.

There isn't any attempt being made to improve the stadium to increase the matchday incomes, the lack of actual success on field will clearly hurt the commercial incomes sooner rather than later. Not to mention there is a direct hit coming next year unless utd qualify for cl otherwise the adidas money clearly goes down.

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{Ed047's Note - I don’t know is the honest answer but there seems to be a constant stream of new partners added and I’m assuming that comes from him.

Would he not have been responsible for the Adidas deal when that happened CSM?

That’s been a mystery to me for a while too mate, with all this perceived money available how has a spanky new stadium been built that the fans in there numbers would have turned into a new Theatre of Dreams.

You should have a larger version of that awesome stadium Spurs have built.

04 Jan 2020 15:42:29
Ed047 and that is the reason why in my opinion nothing will change until we stop making so much money.

We are putting off field success before on field success.

Whereas both could flourish if run proper

Soon it will be 10 years since a challenge.

But ed Woodward is doing what he's paid to do.

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{Ed047's Note - it’s crazy Bolger because as you say they should go hand in hand.

You’ve had in reality, as much money as City, but one club is going one way, the other club the other.

How is that being allowed to happen, who has taken their eye of the ball.

04 Jan 2020 16:13:08
I might be wrong but don't the experts say the money isn't in "bums on seats " anymore? how much would it cost to add 20,000 seats . including all associated costs - then how many years to recoup the money . Compare that to signing 5 tractor-noodle-matress-companies each paying 3-4 million quid a year - yes they could tart the stadium up but with facebook-netflix-Amazon and all the phone companies being the future for revenue streams I don't see much being spent on the stadium. Lots of talk about the phone giants, Netflix, Amazon developing APPS for monthly United content (and other clubs obviously) let's say 3 dollars a month with 5 million subscribers is almost 200 million per year . its the future apparently.

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04 Jan 2020 16:20:26
Ed for all the constant stream, the nos aren't actually increasing though, they have stayed mostly stagnant for last 3-4 years. I will give him credit for getting the chevrolet deal rather than the adidas one, adidas deal looked big because we were the 1st one to get a big deal, Barcelona and real's just a few years down the line show, it wasn't as much great negotiation as being 1st in line.

The stadium thing is just criminal, i have been to the tottenham one when i was in london recently, OT is a dump in comparison.

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{Ed047's Note - that’s not good CSM, it’s clear to me that under our respective clubs that it’s the coach who is going to be THE most important thing to get right.

Our set ups are not great but if we can get the teams at least playing consistently to their best we have half a chance of getting the right players in and moving forward.

We are to early to say if Arteta is the man for us but in my opinion OGS isn’t a good fit for you and I’m not attempting to get involved in that ongoing discussion.

As for the state of all your facilities, it’s criminal.

04 Jan 2020 16:44:15
I too am trying to stay away from the ogs debate for a while unless someone says something particularly crazy like making up klopp's early record to make ole's look good. Everyone's said their peice and made up their mind and now it is upto the club to make its.

I do feel bad for the guy at times though, looking at the players we are being linked to won't be surprised if we sign no one, and that will mean end of the rope for OGS.

I think next year this time around, you should get a clear idea whether arteta has it in him to be a good manager or he is just another fancy ex player brought in to pull the wool over fans.

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04 Jan 2020 16:57:27
I don't understand what people want from the 'facilities'? For somewhere to sit/ stand to watch a football game, Old Trafford does just fine.

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05 Jan 2020 10:47:13
Free wifi i think MancMan so they can upload their favourite selfies and keep in touch with the outside world whilst the team keep boring everyone on the pitch.

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04 Jan 2020 08:22:23
Calm before the storm on here today. Let's stoke the fire a bit. Who would bring Sanchez back when he has recovered in mid January and play him as a 10, instead of Lingard, Parrera and Mata?

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04 Jan 2020 08:40:38
it would be nice to see a no 10 backpass it to fred :)

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04 Jan 2020 08:41:59
No, let him go. He is paid far too much money. Let him be someone else's problem.

Perriera is the better out of the 3. Come the summer Mata and lingard both need to go. Mata is getting old and Lingard is very injury prone and ineffectual.
Perreira can play a few positions, he is decent but we can't sell all our midfielders as we won't have any left to play.

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04 Jan 2020 09:06:05
Sanchez is the first signing in our history. His arrival unsettled Rashford and Martial, we paid him an absolute fortune, and he was worse than useless on the pitch. I'd rather bring Darren Gibson back.

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04 Jan 2020 09:36:54
That should say worst signing.

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04 Jan 2020 14:44:32
Agree with ajh.

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04 Jan 2020 15:15:54
Agree with Ajh, Sanchez is another virus and must never wear a United shirt again.
I'd rather give Gomes a chance to impress, and I don't mean half an hour here or there, put him in for a good run and see where that gets us. And Grealish might be an excellent signing too.

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{Ed002's Note - Gomes wants out and can now talk with other clubs directly.}

04 Jan 2020 16:59:49
What has Gomes done to suggest he should be our no 10? The few minutes he has played he looked rubbish. Same with Chong; all hair, no talent.

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05 Jan 2020 10:48:43
Gomes leaving the sinking ship. Not sure Chong is great but with some decent direction (coaching) he may well turn out a good player.

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04 Jan 2020 00:06:15
ed01 do you think united are suffering like liverpool did when shankly left. on one of your replys you said they had to stop shankly comming round. i ask because sir alex left to spend more time with his wife. he is now at as many games as when he was manager. you have ole saying i want to install the fergie factor and calling him the boss. fergies time as come and gone football has moved on. untill we get a young forward thinking manager it will be my grandkids waiting 30 years for a title. or am i of the mark.

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{Ed001's Note - it is more like when Busby left and just moved onto the board and kept interfering in team affairs. It was because of that example that Liverpool's board refused to even give Shanks tickets to sit in with the staff. It is the same now, Fergie needs to take a break from the club and let it grow without him. He needs to be a legend from the past, rather than a legend still there.

It is a shame but there is not the strength of character there to put him in the shade, Ferguson is too big and bold of a character, too strong in his opinions, to just become secondary.}

04 Jan 2020 08:43:11
ED001 is Fergie actually having a say into how the club is being run then?

I just thought he was a spectator these days.

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{Ed001's Note - he is still very much in the ear of the club's leadership, yes.}

04 Jan 2020 10:44:53
Makes sense know. He is a legend, but surely the club must realise the game has moved forward and so has the way of thinking. They nes people who are up to date. Sounds like how a Corbyn Britain might have been.

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04 Jan 2020 10:56:05
thanks ed01.

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{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate. It is understandable because who doesn't want advice from a legend? But that's all it should be, advice, not a plan to follow.}

04 Jan 2020 12:06:11
it looks like nothing will change anytime soon then. thanks ed01.youare dead right.

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{Ed001's Note - they will probably wait until crowds drop before a change happens.}

05 Jan 2020 00:18:26
Shankly left Liverpool in a superb bill of health. Fergie? .

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05 Jan 2020 05:57:51
Surely if fergie had a say with the hierarchy he would have said get rid of pogba and keep Jose last season! He is pro manager and dislikes insubordinate players.

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04 Jan 2020 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 4th January 2019

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