Manchester United Banter Archive July 04 2014

04 Jul 2014 20:39:21
So many rumours, who knows which ones have legs? Never rated Di Maria so hopefully not him

Anyway, off to see Jesse J at Delamere tomorrow, Syd could you recommend a nice wine I could take?

When I was a wee lad I drank four bottles of Blue Nun. So the wine of the day today is Blue Nun, enjoy!

If you have to sit through that drivel, i'd suggest a few litres of buckfast. At least that gives you some chance of getting unconscious for the worst of it.

Blue Nun, now there's a blast from the past. I'm with Syd, go for the Blue Nun. Its really cheap too. But then, its not about the money, money. Forget about the price tag ;)

Watching that sh*te you need a few big bottles of 20/20 if you can't get that then Absynthe will work a treat :-)

If you are looking for a wine that is "up-front" you should visit your local supermarket for an Australian or Chilean "Cabernet Sauvignon". Your can get really good value. Personally, I prefer a Pinot Noir from New Zealand. If a white wine is your preference, aim for a Chardonnay, again from the New World, which won't be as dry as a Sauvignon Blanc, or possibly a Pinot Gris from Italy.
Enjoy!
Red Setter

Paul weller tonight there the king of mod! Well in the eighties and nineties anyway and after the jam decided they were not a punk band . Anyway weller is still great and he was in the forest tonight!

Drink something decent ajh I wouldn't brush my teeth with blue nun :) take an umbrella as well peeing down in manchester all evening hope its dryer for you tommorow

Thunderbird ;)
If they still make it. Lethal. But a nice anaesthetic.

John, I was 14 and I wouldn't drink it again. Four bottles for a tenner and I was mashed that night.

Gents, I was being a tad flippant. The only thing I drink is red wine so if you need any recommendations, I'm your man

AJH, surely you weren't messing again? I was going to suggest Pinot Grigio, but someone would probably say they watch a lot of Italian football and Mr Grigio is "just what we need"!

Chilean errazazuz loveley

04 Jul 2014 19:33:36
Hey guys,
Well a hell of a lot of rumours going round atm, will be di Maria? Will it be robben?

But more importantly i'm going fishing tomorrow, what bait would I use Syd to land carp?

Bread, can't go wrong with some bread mate :)

Don't need bait mate. After what he had for tea tonight just take Syd with you. Stick his arse in the water and those little fishies will be floating to the surface :)

Failing that, have you ever tried sweet corn? Used to work quite well for me, though that was for Roach, Rudd, Perch etc rather than Carp.

Syd can you be more specific, do carp prefer brown or white.

Cheese & Onion naan bread Carloto :)

Who needs AskJeeves, we've got AskSyd :-)

Get on the boilie! With a Northern Special popup ;)

RD

04 Jul 2014 23:16:17
Thanks syd :-) lol

04 Jul 2014 17:48:25
A lot of people talking about potential targets for the left wing and although I wouldn't be unhappy with a Sanchez, Di Maria, Greizmann, Depay; I would prefer that we continue with our current set of wingers until January and make a substantial bid for Marco Reus. We know that interest was there from us before his injury, so my question to everybody is would you be happy to see that happen?

Reus will be moving to Barcelona at some point over the next month.

When did you speak to reus redseven?

R7, I think so too, but their is a betting firm that has him at 12/1 to join Barcelona. Got to be worth a tenner hasn't it?

04 Jul 2014 16:54:56
Rob Swire retires.
Not only did he get to watch every game for 20 odd years he gets to retire at 50.

05 Jul 2014 08:04:09
Let's not forget the brilliant job he's done over the 20 years.

04 Jul 2014 15:40:16
What we need in the side is PACE. The game has become more athletic, and playing with pace is in the blood of Manchester United. It is our tradition to attack relentlessly.

Spain went out because they were too slow. Germany have struggled when they play Ozil and Gotze on the wings. Same with France when both Benzema and Giroud play in a 4-3-3.

We need pace on the wings, in the back, and though the middle to a degree. Pace at center back will allow us to play a high line. Shaw instead of Evra is an improvement. Herrera at CM even more.

Mata or Kagawa for example, themselves not the fastest, have the quick minds to take advantage of openings in a quicker game. Same with Rooney and Van Persie.

Still hoping for Carvalho and/or Vidal, but we MUST get one of Sanchez, Cuadrado, or Di Maria. We need to get back to playing the Manchester United way, with wingers who terrify the opposition. Hope by summer's end we will be lining up with one of these guys on one flank and Januzaj on the other.

Exactly! But other areas are in need of major reinforcement before we concentrate in attack.So I would love some pacy addition but only if midfield and defense are properly sorted

We should give Usain Bolt a call

I would prefer HALE instead! ;)

RD

04 Jul 2014 14:52:14
If Woodward could pull off the Vidal signing. and I am trying to ignore all Internet paper talk as not wanting to get hopes up.then I would say he has done his job regardless of the rest of the window.
That would be 3 superb additions. the rest would be icing on the cake.
That said don't rest ed. keep going

Right now, If we sign only Vidal and Hummels . I would be more than happy. Then we can buy pacy wingers in next window

04 Jul 2014 11:42:29
I am a silent reader here for last 3 years. Like most of you, I also visit a number of other rumour/news sites during the window.

The real difference on this site are the Eds. Accurate info, ahead of time and details on clubs involved/bids rejected etc. Amazing, Unmatched.

A big thank you to all the eds (Esp those active on the Man Utd page. 001, 002, 004, 007 :) ). You make this site worth coming back many times a day.

{Ed001's Note - I was going to hold this for Ed007 to read, but then I realised he would get all bigheaded about it! So I will take the glory, cheers mate, it is very appreciated and I have c'n'ped it for the rest to read.}

04 Jul 2014 13:31:26
Suck up ;)

Cicero I'm a silent reader to, I haven't read out loud since I was about 5.

04 Jul 2014 15:09:49
aren't most on here GDS?

A big LOL! Carloto

04 Jul 2014 20:59:32
Haha that made me chuckle carloto ;)

Echo Cicero's comment though, top notch this site.

04 Jul 2014 11:13:54
Okay more of an opinions post here folks! Out of the 3 forwards were continually linked with. Di Maria, Sanchez and Memphis who do you think is most likely? Also with juves interest in Evra. Could this put us back in for blind? He could play mf and cover shaw at lb possibly saving some money this summer as I don't see vidal coming. And lastly if chelsea came back in for rooney would anyone else be happy with lukaka in a px. Pie in the sky really but i'd go for it.

I would sell Rooney in a heartbeat. From a footballing perspective he has not been the same player since he had his first contract renewal under SAF. We are paying the same wages as the likes of Zlatan, Cristiano and Messi and yet is nowhere near their level. However I can only think that commercially he is worth an awful lot to the club. So until we get a player with that "Star" quality I think Rooney will stay.

Out of the three, I think Sanchez will go to Arsenal and it looks as though we are in for Di Maria if reports are to be believed. I would welcome this and think it would work under Van Gaal because Di Maria works so hard for 90 mins. Yes he might be a bit inconsistent, but then LVG played Dirk Kuyt for Netherlands because he is a workhorse.
Id take both Blind and Depay as back up for Shaw/Di Maria and then Memphis for Nani or Valencia.

04 Jul 2014 12:28:18
Zatlan is very overrated imo. Certainly not up their with the best in the world and the only thing bigger than his ego is his nose. P.s I don't think Blind would do so well at left back in the PL, far too slow.

Oh no, someone has mentioned the R word in a less than complimentary way, I can see a debate starting yet again.

Ste. Zlatan's goals scoring record is as good as most - he is a top player, just a bit of an arse.

04 Jul 2014 13:21:26
Sambo2.

Memphis & Depay are the same player.

His name is Memphis Depay

Harry, That one I know.

I just used both names.

I was being clever! But obviously to clever! :)

Depay needs to show a lot more before being compared to Sanchez, Di Maria, or Cuadrado (my addition :). Sanchez, we've been hearing about Arsenal, Juventus, and Liverpool. Di Maria, PSG and Monaco.
Blind seems a decent player, and versatile, two nice assists v Spain, but I'm not sure he is quick enough.

Would lover the scousers to buy Rooney he is just what they need.

I agree with fresh.zlatan is very arrogant and outspoken and that can rub a lot of people up the wrong way but you can't deny when needed he usually delivers the goals in big games. Players who consistently do that are world class in my opinion (messi at this world cup a perfect example).

04 Jul 2014 09:02:04
Hi all,
Firstly a HUGE thanks to the Eds for the info as and when they can give it.
Secondly, clearly the two signings so far will make a difference to us next year, here are a few rumours circulating and thoughts of my own, would love to hear others thoughts:

Fellaini: I say keep him. If he is happy to 'warm the bench' for us I say its worth having something a bit different. He has made a difference to Belgium when he has come on during the WC playing in a more Everton familiar role.

Vidal: Ed002 has explained the situation on many occasions but how great would it be to see him in a United shirt next year?! Is it at all possible that a Evra + Nani + Cash deal for Vidal could be struck?

Di Maria: I would absolutely LOVE it if we signed this young man. He has gone up a notch since playing under Carlo and he could give us that little bit extra moving forward. 40 million in today's market is probably just over the odds but not by much.

Sanchez: I struggle to see where Sanchez fits into out team next year with what's happened and what is potentially going to happen. I think he is Arsenal/Liverpool bound myself.

TC all.

KingGiggsy

Your point about Fellaini is a good one, but at Man Utd, there are too many better players to play up front or off the striker before Fellaini would get minutes there.

Not a bad idea about Vidal, I do think Juventus want a winger, and Evra may be a good option for them in the slower Serie A, as a wingback in their 3-5-2.

Sanchez can play on either wing. And both Sanchez or Di Maria have a great work rate.

Sell Fellaini and buy Vidal or Carvalho.

Sydney!
Do you think there are enough buyers for wiggy in about suitable price range?

I would sell him for £12m tomorrow.

I think WHU, Everton & QPR would take him for around the £12m mark. The London clubs would even pay his salary no problem. But would Fellaini want to go to these clubs? Unlikely.

There will certainly be European clubs interested at a price. Italian clubs would like this type of player. He doesn't suit the Spanish league IMO. French teams bar Monaco and PSG couldn't afford him.

Someone like Schalke could be interested, I think Bundesliga would suit him.

I can see Newcastle going for him £15mil.

I can't see Everton and QPR going for him.And WHU? no idea

04 Jul 2014 07:47:15
I thought that referring Man Utd with term ManU is kind of insult to our club, but I see lots of post here where ManU is used. Isn't it something that should be noted?

Never bothered me tbh, don't see the problem. Being called a 'Franchise' is a bit annoying though, we may be owned by yanks but we are in Manchester England not Manchester U.S.

04 Jul 2014 08:42:19
Srestha, you're right, it is insulting, but I can honestly say, in the few years that I've been using this site, that I've seen 'ManU' used by United fans maybe only a handful of times, and it was only because they were either young or foreign, and didn't realise the implication.

If it's used other times, I'd guess it's by other teams' fans on here, most of whom have no idea that we find the phrase distasteful.

Don't worry too much about it, I don't think anybody actually uses the phrase to deliberately cause offence.

{Ed001's Note - if it was believed to be intended to be disrespectful, we would delete it. Unfortunately, the club itself has used the name during the flotation, as the shorthand for their listing. So it has meant we have had to accept it as a shortened name for Manchester United. Poor Ed004 has spent months on here explaining why it shouldn't be used, then they go and do that! You would think Prem clubs no longer care about the fans or something.....}

04 Jul 2014 08:49:48
On here any posts that said ManU were removed or changed a while ago, but when the club listed on the stock exchange they listed us as MANU, meaning our club call us that, so we don't really have much choice.

Correct me if I am wrong eds.

{Ed001's Note - I just typed all that out myself before reading your post! I could have saved myself a lot of bother if I had just looked down the page. It is correct though. Annoying, but we have little choice now, even though Ed004 hates it.}

04 Jul 2014 09:38:56
Doing your job for you Ed ;)

Hate it myself, other clubs fans always call us ManU or just as bad for me 'The Mancs'. I don't even think most of them realise the connotations of ManU to be honest and just do it because that's what they have always done / parents did it etc.

{Ed001's Note - obviously even within the club they don't realise! I couldn't believe they floated it with that name after all the months of Ed004 repeatedly moaning to the rest of us on our editor's widget about people using it. Just shows how out of touch football clubs are these days.}

I never use it as I've been told it's offensive, but why is that?

Forgive my ignorance, but why is ManU considered as an insult?

04 Jul 2014 11:58:35
It was used in an old Munich song, lads, Don't know which teams fan's started it, but I'm with Ed04 - was just brought up associating it with people mocking the dead.

Just wanted to say that I meant it didn't bother me when United fans use ManU, not when others use it in an offensive manner.

When ever coming into contact with new people for the first time and the topic turns to football and I ask them who they support and the moment they say MANU I just instantly tag them as a typical plastic fan, never go to old trafford, think there man utds biggest fans because they buy the kit before everyone else, cheer the loudest in pubs when there's a goal but are actually playing on a slot machine at the time and didn't even see the goal. first to slag the team and call some of our own players worse that s****. grrrrrrrrr I hate them fans.

Believe/RedDub, it was used in songs after the Munich disaster that were hugely offensive and sung by human beings who were no better than the dog sh*t on the bottom of your shoe.

Pretty sure it was people associated with the mighty West Brom that first used it in an insulting way StevieK.

Not sure if he Eds will post the reason why it is seen as offensive, but it is because rival fans use is as part of a "song" about the Munich air disaster.
Google it for a full explanation.

Also there is only one UNITED!

04 Jul 2014 14:31:04
I heard its about like you said mocking the dead after the munich disaster, and from what I've been told its LFC fans that started with singing Manu manu it comes from manure and all the can is crash or something like that and that is one of the reasons why Manutd and LFC fans hate each other so much.

04 Jul 2014 15:14:10
Brendan - West Brom?? What the feck did we ever do to West Brom??

I'll take your word for it, mostly because I can't be ar$ed googling it :)

My money would have been on Leeds at that time, but there you go.

West Brom, eh? Hope they get relegated next season now.

04 Jul 2014 15:22:55
stretfordender, are you around 40, living with your mum outside OT, and do you own a slightly tight round the middle Joy Division t-shirt and yellow and brown y-fronts? Is your bedroom untidy?

I'm only asking, mate, because that post reminded me of someone we all miss on here.

They were a bit further up the league back in the 50's I think Stevie, it is a strange one though yeah. I remember my mates grandad telling us about it when we were younger, along with his Busby Babes and Duncan Edwards stories.

I think the biggest reason for us not to use use ManU is because when our busby babes died in munich disaster, Leeds and Liverpool fan slanged us singing "ManU ManU went on the plane, ManU ManU never came back" and blah blah.They created a song making joke of our dead players. How often do you find people joking or making fun of dead people?It is shame to humanity. Hence ManU is not used by United fans and further Liverpool are always considered not only as rivals but as enemies.

{Ed001's Note - wrong, it was West Brom fans that created the song.}

Correct 001, it was the West Brom fans who created that song. Disgusting!

Sure I already said that

04 Jul 2014 18:24:09
Doesn't it make more sense to 'reclaim' the ManU term, especially as it is already being used in an official financial context by the club? At least that way it can't really be used in a negative way against the club.
Kind of makes sense to me.

Steviek I have no idea if you are offended by what I wrote and are being funny here or you are being serious in you're question, either way i'm nowhere near 40, don't have a joy division t-shirt and I most certainly don't own a pair of y fronts .sorry if that disopoints :-)

{Ed007's Note - Have you got a brother that fits the description?}

Im an only child ed07 and I wouldn't admit to having a brother that fits that description :-)

04 Jul 2014 21:25:12
Sorry, stretford. It was a poor attempt at humour regarding your KLOOTesque rant. That's how I've always imagined him.

Nothing offensive about your post whatsoever, mate.

No problem stevie

04 Jul 2014 06:43:48
I believe a lot of deals like up to 6 are being negotiated behind the scenes, don't be surprised Di Maria and Sanchez signing for us despite strong Arsenal links, now we are first sure to know if the player is interested and then agree terms with them b4 sending in an official bid to his club.Expect almost all deals being announced consecutively after the world cup, with Gaitan, Vermaelen, Vriij, Vidal, and Carlvaho . m

04 Jul 2014 08:51:48
Wow Sanchez, Di Maria, Gaitan, Vidal, Carvalho, De Fridge and Vermaelen. So looking at about 220m + the 60m we already spent.

What a summer, I can't wait, I am almost 99% sure you are correct as well.

Brilliant, can't wait, thanks for sharing. I'm assuming you are Ed Woodward in order to know all this?

Cant wait for the end of the world cup now. will look forward to a week of consecutive announcements if those are the names we are certain on!
That is before the usual round of Ronaldo coming back to us.surely that will happen again?

04 Jul 2014 11:32:51
Hope you aren't being sarcastic AJH, that kind of banter just isn't needed, the lad has information that none of us could ever dream of getting, must have inside sources.