Manchester United Banter Archive July 04 2015

04 Jul 2015 22:33:35
Hi ed 002 my wife, 38 week pregnants, is ready to divorce me for being glued to this site. Before I attempt to leave this site for a while please could you give me your take on our transfers as it stands, I know you aren't posting due to some idiots but you would put my mind at rest and I can support my wife knowing where we are with things as I always trusted your knowledge (no offence others eds, love you guys too) I know this a long shot but you'd make a lot of us posters very happy ! What do you say?

{Ed002's Note - I am afraid that is not possible.}

04 Jul 2015 23:36:30
Shame! Right let's see how long I last before posting! Time to bring a little red devil into the world! let's hope we get otimendi, Coleman and shniederlin

04 Jul 2015 23:52:09
Worth a try I guess! All the best to you and your missus mate!

05 Jul 2015 00:10:33
Cheers redandy

04 Jul 2015 22:22:22
Woody, if you're reading. Please sign Vidal and Otamendi. Those two would strengthen our team soooo much. Of course, if you want to buy Coleman and Schneiderlin aswell then I certainly wouldn't complain.

04 Jul 2015 21:53:02
With all the tranfer rumour going around there is also background talk going on that manchester united will not be reveiling anymore signings at least till the 1st of august due to the new sponsors addidas taking over. Rumour has it they want big marquee signings and them not to be unveiled till then. Does any of the ed's know if there is any truth in this?

{Ed004's Note - I highly doubt it. LvG said he wanted his players signed before preseason}

04 Jul 2015 22:16:11
Surely we can unveil players whenever we please?

05 Jul 2015 10:40:29
I am sure there will be a major event on 1st August to announce the new kit. Players could come in like Depay did but the big fuss over them will likely be on 1st August at the kit launch.

04 Jul 2015 21:01:09
When do Real Madrid return for pre- season?

04 Jul 2015 21:48:17
Monday i believe mate

04 Jul 2015 20:36:19
Mitrovic, Anderlecht striker? Mentioned a few weeks back, now every clubs after him! Ed Woodward, shame on you!

04 Jul 2015 21:05:58
Come on Ed, get Ronnie on your scouting team!

04 Jul 2015 21:07:19
I've been banging on about this lad for weeks in my posts ronnie and everyone is on about these big names. None of these big names are going to wanna sit behind rooney, Mitrovic fits the bill but it was a while back now that ed2 said interest ramped up. Any news on him eds?

{Ed004's Note - Ed002 has not mentioned anything new}

04 Jul 2015 21:14:16
No, shame on you Ronnie. You mentioned him a few weeks ago and now everyone is chasing him. If you kept your big mouth shut nobody would have known about him and he would have been our little secret. Next time call Eddie up directly on the bat phone.

04 Jul 2015 19:33:56
I hope we don't sign a world class striker (out and out striker). No player in their right mind would sign for us without contractual agreements for them to play when fit, because of what LVG has said about Rooney.

In an ideal world I would love us to buy a top class striker as we miss one and need competition, but we have to be realistic about what happens with Rooney because of LVG's stupid decision to make him undroppable.

{Ed004's Note - That is why signing Kane could be a smart signing. He will start this season similar to last where he will (I reckon) replace Rooney as the season continues. Rooney will begin as the main striker but eventually be replaced. If Kane is signed he will miss preseason due to the u21s? Meaning he will may not be ready to start straight away. Would reduce the amount of changes to the team this summer helping us hopefully hit the ground running}

04 Jul 2015 20:29:26
It was a stupid decision to make the ONLY choice for captain as captain. Looking for negatives.

04 Jul 2015 20:37:42
I agree beast which is why I think muller woutd be great the 'undroppable' captain wouldn't need to be replaced as muller can play all across the front 3

04 Jul 2015 21:21:26
I'm with you on that Dave.

Nathaniel - It's not the choice of captain that was stupid(although I wouldn't have given it him), its the undroppable part.

05 Jul 2015 07:38:03
If a striker was bought Rooney could still play but in a deeper role, maybe linking midfield and attack but I do agree to say any player is undropable is stupid

04 Jul 2015 18:38:19
You would think we must have another striker lined up if RVP is allowed to leave.I thought that position could wait another year with a cb, cm(at least 1) and rb essential signings, and obviously a gk seems likely to be needed also.
It is becoming a little concerning that only Depay signed up to now, hopefully a very busy couple of weeks ahead for us and all will be ok.
Otamendi, Schneiderlin and Coleman would be nice. Striker I really have no idea. Few surprises ahead maybe.

04 Jul 2015 19:28:25
The list for summer targets included Harry Kane .

04 Jul 2015 20:50:55
Who's list? How do you know?
We have been linked with probably 50 players, 90% made up.

04 Jul 2015 20:53:15
Would be happy with Kane, Muller or Benzema though.

04 Jul 2015 21:19:37
Benzema could be possible if Real want to sell, Muller I think is impossible, we should be going all out for lacazette in my opinion but I think Kane would be great at this club.

04 Jul 2015 17:12:28
So if the betting and papers are to be believed Wilson is heading to Hull on a season long loan. RVP is off with Nani to Fenerbache and Chicarito has been told to find a new club. Seems like we will be a bit short up front. So what sort of names look remotely possible to all you "in the know folk" as I'm sure LVG won't be happy with just Wazza up front considering he is also pretty much his favourite midfielder!! Why o why don't they have faith in Hernandez. With preseason starting next week does anybody think we are in for a couple of days of madness or simply a big squad with lots of youth heading abroad??

{Ed004's Note - I think LvG will be signing a striker however I have no idea who. He complained during the season about not having a 20 goals a season striker}

04 Jul 2015 17:47:45
im going to guess cavani

04 Jul 2015 18:18:39
Maybe Rooney will play attacking mid 'fellaini' position slightly further forward than Herrera and sign benzema, Cavani, lacazette or higuain.

04 Jul 2015 18:20:38
I hope it's Lacazette! Rather pay £30m for a 24 yr old than £50m for Cavani whoses 28!

04 Jul 2015 18:25:26
Ed Woodward if your reading this forum as you say you are a watchman of most united forums.
L A C A Z E T T E please, only young and appears to posses the tools to take that next step.
No hanging around let LVG know!

04 Jul 2015 18:26:58
28! Take him out back with a shotgun. A man that age can barrel pass wind, let alone a football.

04 Jul 2015 18:29:55
I agree, jred. And I hope it is. But he'll not be bought to sit on the bench as back up to Wayne. So where does Wayne go? If it's midfield, then I'd rather Cavani stay where he is.

04 Jul 2015 18:32:42
I genuinely have no idea who he wants or is going to sign. I mean we still have a big hole in midfield and defence to fill not to mention our no.1 although I'm happy with Vallez if he can be like Edwin. I was under the impression for some reason we would have all our new players in by preseason but it's quite the opposite we will have lots gone and none in by the looks of it (bar 1)

04 Jul 2015 18:43:56
Redken

We keep going over the Hernandez situation but simply he plays well running on to balls crossed from close in because his movement is very good. However back to goal and close control is no where near good enough as a first choice striker. He could come on as a sub but I doubt that is what he wants. We need a first choice striker rather than rely on another season of mix and match

04 Jul 2015 18:54:59
I'm going to say one of benzema/Muller now I know some say muller is impossible but I'd of said ramos was and although nothing is done yet it looks possible

Stranger things have happened

Muller regardless of whether we can/can't he is my no.1 choice

04 Jul 2015 19:24:05
Muller would be my shout, play out right and when Rooney isn't fit he can lead the line. Perfect signing.

04 Jul 2015 20:12:18
Muller is not a bad shout

04 Jul 2015 20:28:08
Cavani is already average at what ever age he is! Can't see what all the hype is over? Lacazette would fit in perfectly going forward! Cavani is just not worth the money or his wage! Lyon have already bought a replacement for him anyway?! Think of both Lacazette and Depay going forward? Goals, goals, goals! As well as them BOTH getting better due to both their ages! It's a no f'ing brainer!! Endless pot of money? Just go get him, and quick!

04 Jul 2015 20:45:34
lacazette is a full 4 years younger than cavani.
at 24 years old he has had one good season in the french league .
looks a decent player but there are still a few question marks about him.
cavani imo is a proven top class striker .
cavani would suit the EPl imo

04 Jul 2015 20:45:43
Muller Lacazette or Kane

04 Jul 2015 20:47:54
I agree Red Man but the lad scores goals and we spent our balls last season on a type of player who is the same as chico and didn't score so if we need that sort of player why not use what we have and love.
Let me throw this name in there, Harry Kane.

04 Jul 2015 20:54:19
this won't be popular but i would sign berahino before kane or lacazette

04 Jul 2015 23:41:01
Ezequial rescaldani

05 Jul 2015 00:57:47
Lowendowski

{Ed007's Note - (yes)

05 Jul 2015 09:10:18
Lewandowski for me above all the others but can't see BM selling him.
I see people are getting uptight about Rooney being un-droppable well that was last season and there was only one real choice as captain plus he was above the level of the other strikers at the club generally. Added to that was his fight and leadership on the pitch and we didn't have anyone else showing that last season. However, if we buy a top striker Rooney has to up his game to stay in the team and I doubt LvG will stick to his undroppable comments if Rooney is not performing.

04 Jul 2015 16:34:34
MEN suggesting a straight swap of De Gea for Ramos would allow both Real and United to say they'd 'won'. First reaction was that was just the standard lazy journalism that accompanies this time of year. We need a couple of big transfers to kick off a domino effect and get other transfers going and until that happens it's we are signing Ronaldo etc. I did think Ramos was just angling for more cash but I think he genuinely wants out and seemingly only to us.

Going into the transfer season thinking DDG could go for tuppence ha'penny and landing one of the best CBs in the world would be some turnaround.

04 Jul 2015 17:53:17
I'm still think Ramos is after a new contract, notice there are no quotes attributed to him they are all sources close to him. Allowing him to have deniability for when he signs a lucrative new contract. If he was adamant about leaving surely he would have gone public to force Madrids hand they couldn't keep a player that the fans would turn on. on the whole thought our transfers were going to done nice and early this window. Hopefully they are done by pre season tour or we could struggle next season especially when it looks like 4 or 5 starting players may be coming in
With little time to adapt to stem and league.

04 Jul 2015 18:44:07
He might be remaining quiet as negotiations are potentially ongoing regarding DDG and Ramos.

Shoe on the other foot Jamie, with DDG's silence do you feel he's just after a new contract then?

I think they're instructed to let the teams sort out the details to see if the figures are suitable first.

I may be completely wrong though, wouldn't be the first time :P

04 Jul 2015 16:06:12
Hey guys a lot of talk about ramos, a few about Otamendi but anyone clarify the hummels news. Did we want him? Any bids make?
Last I heard from his camp was that he felt we was showing enough interest.

04 Jul 2015 16:20:47
He's staying at dortmund and going to real next year

04 Jul 2015 16:54:32
He's happy to stay apparently

04 Jul 2015 11:55:43
Hi if any of the eds are around can I ask if we are likely to sign anyone before the US preseason tour. Thanks in advance

{Ed007's Note - I have no way of guessing time scales.}

04 Jul 2015 15:50:32
Bottle of Buck down you 007, and you'll be able to tell the future, Friday nights lottery numbers too please, mate.

04 Jul 2015 12:27:49
As long as we need prooven signing to challange for titles, let's not forget that most of our targets are from different leagues thus why I would prefer player from the premier league and give opportunities to our youngsters instead of the huge packages we are offering our targets
1. Vjri was available for 7m b4 moving to lazio ! y did we not sign him then
2Mcnair is better off than Romas, let's give him the chance or we will lose him and later want him back for 80
3. Y pay high fees on targets whose ages are above 25 ! let's pay such for players like Ayermic

04 Jul 2015 12:38:06
Ronnie, meet obinahk. Obinahk, meet ronnie.

04 Jul 2015 13:32:28
Loll they r both brothers

04 Jul 2015 13:52:50
lol now 25 is old ?

04 Jul 2015 14:16:29
One more item has been found in this page . lol

04 Jul 2015 14:24:55
Crazy season is here.

04 Jul 2015 14:35:01
There are simply too many strong hard rumours floating around. Obinahk probably just hit his hard against one of them. After effects are what v r seeing now. Any medicine practitioners around?

04 Jul 2015 15:51:26
From his two posts, it is clear as daylight he is trolling.

04 Jul 2015 10:58:53
Southampton tour 7th July
United tour 14th July
Real Madrid tour 18th July

So . we should know who our keeper, new CM and new CB will be within a fortnight.

Hopefully!

04 Jul 2015 09:56:37
I was never buying this argument that players only join clubs for the money, ie JMB etc.
Reports this morning suggesting we have offered turan more money than anyone yet he doesn't want to join and is holding out for Chelsea join Chelsea.if this is true. How do you explain that with your money chasing theory?

04 Jul 2015 10:13:07
After his comments, "I am tired of running" i would be happy if he joins chelsea.

04 Jul 2015 10:14:34
Money is always a factor for the vast majority of ayers, it's their job after all and they retire at a young age, but you've got to take in to account that some countries have much heavier tax laws, so you could be offered a higher wage before tax but end up earning less. But the main factors a player has to think about are money, what is hest for his family, and if they could adapt to the change in lifestyle. The fact that we are in manchester will always be against us, I mean who would want to live in manchester over Madrid or Paris?

04 Jul 2015 10:43:16
Pep, surely you must think some players join clubs mainly for the money? Otherwise you wouldn't see as many good players going to clubs where they should never be. Look at players like Hulk, Witsel and Garay. Surely sides in Russia were not the only ones looking at these players? They probably weren't the only ones able to pay the asking price but they ended up in Russia. Others joining teams in China and Qatar etc.

One of the more recent examples is Sebastian Giovinco. I think he is 28/29 years old and he was getting a good bit of playing time at Juve. This shows he's a good player but he went to the MLS in the prime of his career. Surely other sides in Italy and Europe approached or watched him?

Plenty of footballers nowadays are millionaires from early in their careers and at the end of the day as much as we might not like it, this is their job. It is how they earn their living and as much as people might say what can't you do if you are earning say £100,000 a week, why do you need more? I can't say I wouldn't think about following the money if I was in their position and someone offered me £150,000 a week instead.

04 Jul 2015 10:46:18
I've read speculation in the papers today, if that completely unverifiable speculation is true then your argument must be false.

04 Jul 2015 10:59:31
i thought turan was going to barcelona ?
now its chelsea but united have offered the best deal ?
where does he even fit in the united team.

i wouldn't believe everything you read

04 Jul 2015 11:02:53
Lol Danny

04 Jul 2015 12:27:41
That's why I said if it's true danny. I completely agree that most players are only interested in money but I also think some players want to play for certain clubs and we used to be one of them, it wasn't about the money it was about the club! It used to be us, barca and Madrid. But now I feel Chelsea are more attractive to players than us and I don't like that that's all.

04 Jul 2015 14:03:59
Pep, we used to be the one of those clubs because we were consistently competing for the biggest trophies. Now we are in a state of transition and players need to be convinced that we will be competing at the top again. Players join clubs for three primary reasons: location, winning trophies, and, most importatly, money.

If you honestly think that players aren't primarily motivated by money, then you're being very naive.

04 Jul 2015 14:20:53
Pep
I don't think u should trust the news which says according to "reports" . How do u even know that the news is true . I don't think we are interested in Turan and have offered him massive money

04 Jul 2015 15:28:53
Well we all want the same thing, new players who will make a difference to last year. We are linked with many top players and we follow 'the news' because nothing else we can go off! That's why we are on this site because we are all desperate for clues of the eds, but like someone said further up, we are all clueless as to who will join us!!! My guess now is we will get ramos, shniederlin and past that I've no idea if we'l get anyone!

04 Jul 2015 07:44:26
So falcao has signed a loan deal with Chelsea for a reported £130k a week, less than half what we were paying for him. It seems that we keep getting shafted in the market. I would love to have Gill back in the job.
On a another note, how do posters think Falcao will do at Chelsea? I think he'll be a hit as JM will play the right way to suit his game and I think he'll score 15 goals for them.

04 Jul 2015 07:54:41
He will be the main Striker and with them players around him he should score for fun.

04 Jul 2015 07:58:46
i don't think so nomid he will be better there but he lost it . he even got dropped in copa america . more even i think we need a cb and cm more then striker

04 Jul 2015 08:40:52
Yea,they will be paying him far less than we did in wages but we paid less than Chelsea in securing his a services for the same duration to Monaco.
Also,we should remember he was more a hot property then than now. Most teams won't like to touch him now.
Let's see how he performs at Chelsea first. I wish him all the best. It's a shame he couldn't cut it here.

04 Jul 2015 08:41:48
It is not a fair comparison Nomidfield, the reason for the drop is because of the,season he had with us in the PL. When we paid the expectation was greater and I dare say the amount of teams interested greater too.
I actually think he will be better.just don't think we could take that chance where as Chelsea can afford. To with there team.

04 Jul 2015 08:48:12
If Costa stays fit how much playing time do we expect Falcao to get, out of interest?

04 Jul 2015 08:58:17
HB,

None

04 Jul 2015 09:54:06
He is a backup at Chelsea nothing more nothing less a fit unsuspended Costa starts every time. I hope he does well.

04 Jul 2015 09:58:29
No Chelsea only paid Monaco 4million, we paid 6!!!! Shafted

04 Jul 2015 10:14:09
You paid more because he didn't have an atrocious season before he joined you. He was awful last season so it's logical that Chelsea don't pay him as much as you did. Doesn't matter either way, you guys have money to spare.

04 Jul 2015 10:14:53
The option to buy will be much lower as well, it does make sense as last season was so bad. But I agree in general why are we paying at least a third more than anybody else will or would in both wages and transfer fees?

Probably because we are desperate and our main man has a big mouth with somebody else's money to back it up! I'm sick of seeing Woody's Woody, keep your pants up because we are sure paying for his mistakes now!

04 Jul 2015 10:22:36
We paid £6million? I think you'll find all up that loan move cost us around the £16-20million mark. Savvy business.

He will be great at Chelsea because when he gets the opportunities Jose will play to his strengths and not just throw him into the unknown the way our great leader did. As for Costa, he is a top player but he will not stay fit for the entire season so Falcao will get his fair share of games.

04 Jul 2015 10:36:30
But in another report,it was stated that Chelsea paid 8million Pounds while we paid 6 million Pound.

04 Jul 2015 10:45:22
Mourinho seems like the type to prefer a Costa up front over a Falcao. If Costa stays fit I see Falcao as the option on the bench and starting only occasionally when Costa needs a rest.

04 Jul 2015 10:56:02
Whatever people think about Wellbeck, who personally I always thought was a great squad option, we effectively sold him for nothing given £16m we got for him was in essence cost of a poor Falcao for a season :(

04 Jul 2015 11:41:45
Ah yes falcao couldn't control the ball because of LVG's tactics, should have realised.

04 Jul 2015 13:30:49
It doesn't matter how good the players are around you or if the managers tactics don't suit, I you can not control the ball with your first touch or even shield the ball, you are not going to do much.

I wish Falcao all the best, and I hope for his own sake he gets back to what he was but not matter who he is playing for, he will not being doing much with the first touch that we saw last year

04 Jul 2015 14:12:10
Angel - Are you talking about Rooney or Falcao with your first sentence?

No striker in world football would have looked good for us last season, aimless balls, balls played after the run so the striker has to check back, nominal chances created. Falcao didn't cover himself in glory but neither did RVP or Rooney - thankless task.

Haleseni - Welbeck would have been our most effective striker last season, in this system you need a willing runner with pace. He didn't pull up trees at Arsenal and we need better than Welbeck but I said at the time we were letting the wrong striker go. Thanks for bringing him up mate, Danny (our one) will be pleased it's allowed me to talk about the one that got away again.

04 Jul 2015 15:42:19
Lol both I guess beast! I won't get in to the Rooney debate though as I might upset sone people

I just think Falcao has looked poor for some time, I don't know if you watched the Copa America but he was awful there too. Maybe it's just a confidence thing, I hope he gets it back but this feels more like the torres situation where he never seemed to reach the same heights,in fact just looked like a different player altogether. You can blame that on tactics or whatever but doesn't take away from the fact that he couldn't even control a ball, basics really

04 Jul 2015 17:17:06
Agreed JMB.
HB and GDS, I know you seem to share the same views all the time!! But in any case, in answer to your question HB, of course Costa is a fantastic player and will be first choice striker, but how often has Costa stayed fit in the past few seasons at Chelsea and athletico? I'll leave you to look that one up but I can tell you that he had long periods of injuries throughout his career.
The way Costa plays leads him to get injuries as his game is based on running and physicality. So falcao is a fantastic option for them.
Re angelred comment that he can't control a ball, utterly ridiculous I'm afraid. In addition, falcao has always preferred the ball to be played with him facing goal. At United, we played the ball to him with his back to goal and that took all the threat away from his game.
It will be interesting to see how he gets on at Chelsea. HB, GDS, AR, do you think he'll flop? How many goals do you think he'll score??

04 Jul 2015 20:56:37
Utterly ridiculous no midfield? I've watched him for both UTD and Colombia and his first touch was absolutely atrociuos, maybe it's a confidence thing but it was terrible, I don't know what Falcao you were watching?

I do agree that we played the ball to him too often when his back was to goal but unfortunately at times strikers have to do that. He just wasn't very good at it because like I said his first touch was terrible

04 Jul 2015 06:44:06
i do love this site just not all nice post its about wat bring people like beast . jmb bring to the banter a spice sometimes just pure love for the club make blind to see the negative i always enjoying reading them . where is Sydney and Betty hope they come . thx to all u make my day

04 Jul 2015 08:59:10
I'm pretty sure betty will come, especially if we sign Ramos.

04 Jul 2015 09:38:04
haha i don't feel we will get him . may be we should ask the penguin

04 Jul 2015 10:24:16
We all want the same thing at the end of the day Dwill but some of us are just a little more logical, pragmatic and realistic than others.

04 Jul 2015 11:04:12
Still here guys , reading every day. Just taking a break for a while. I starting getting a bit fed up with some of it a while back. Some people love to court attention by deliberately stirring things up and thinking they know better than everyone else. I found myself wanting to post replies that would have been completely inappropriate on here. That only caused animosity and hastle for the Eds , so I took a break. Just decided not to play the martyr and make some big announcement (not that anyone would care anyway!!)
Anyway , that is my problem , not anyone else's. Its good that the site is busy.

GDS , not a big fan of Ramos to be honest. Obviously a good player , but a bit rash and indisciplined at times , for me. I personally think we need a quality commanding CB who is strong mentally as well as physically and who primarily can defend and organise. A ball player would be a bonus , but one who can defend is a priority. I understand the idea of a ball player back there , but if we are to play with a deep lying midfielder , like Carrick , the need for a ball playing CB is not quite so essential. But it would be a bonus. My choice would be Thiago Silva , but that's probably unrealistic and expensive. Next on my list would be Hummels or Garay.

On a side note , I will be well cheffed if we do sign Morgan S.Lin , as I see he is now called!! I was championing him on here 2 years ago. Would be a very good signing for us I think.

04 Jul 2015 13:35:48
Good to see you are still around Betty! I wonder who you speak of when you mention the negativity? Hmmm.

I do agree somewhat with your analysis of Ramos but he might just be that leader we need in the defense, he is a bit rash but plenty of steel there and we have seriously lacked the past 2 seasons.

It could also just be that Ed is playing hardball with Madrid and standing firm and I for one have to agree. If we don't get Ramos, then De Gea will not go for cheap this season and if we do get him and de gea goes then it's a win win scenario, UTD get a top class centre half and make a statement to the world that we won't be made a fool of by Madrid

04 Jul 2015 13:51:13
i do agree betty ramos is good player if he comes tats good but do he have to prove anything will his heart be here. i rather go to otamendi he is strong good in air for him utd is a big club he will like to make a point . if we get him them go for ramos then i fine i just don't want one more bale saga got for him and miss our other targets .