Manchester United Banter Archive June 04 2012

04 Jun 2012 23:07:52
How is modric overated and overpriced? If the follow,
Yaya 25 million
Agureo 35 + million
Adebayor 25 + million
Rio 30 million
Rooney 30 million
Torres 50 million

You take a gamble on players some pay off some don't but for CLASS you have to pay the money regardless of price.

No value in the market is BS we would rather shop around and find players on the cheap, but that's how we've don't it for years with the odd 30+ million player coming in to prove a point

But never the less, fergie knows where we need strengthening, so in the next month I expect a few signings and a few exists

Weather there known players or not will just have to wait and see but hopefully we sign some class and push for the 20th which Im confident of winning

So come on reds lets BELIEVE

MUFC1990

Strikers are overpriced just because they sell shirts. Yaya was part of the champion Barcelona team. And Rio was a top CB, AND he was ENGLISH

04 Jun 2012 22:59:04
To those who are concerned about our lack of 'BIG' signings let me just make a few points.

Wesley sneijder - nearly 29 would host 35-40m and a massive wage. He's totally unproven in the EPL and was found wanting in Spain. Let's compare him to Luka Modric, many of you saying he's overrated cant be serious. He's younger then sneijder, would cost less in transfer fee and wages and has proven for years he can do it in the premiership.

I would love Javi Martinez at united but for £25m? Not a chance when citeh come sniffing his price will increase by £5-10m no way we can compete and I wouldn't want us too either! The way city n Chelsea spend money is the road to ruin for us. Compare that to fellaini again proven in England and would cost prob £20m less. Plus they'd become even better around better players at united.

So all who are concerned about your hazards, hulks etc.. Fantastic in there average leagues but never proven at the top level I know which set of players I'd rather have at OT!

Ok Kagawa not proven either but £17m for the best player in Germany last year I think that's a fantastic bit of business by us.

In SAF we trust!

Welsh Red

Snidjer is 27 mate not nearly 29 and the guy is class

mufc 90

He is good no doubt But still not worth the asking price (certainly of last year) wages or proven in the EPL or in fact proven in any top league in the world (Italy not what it was) I would take Modric who is proven on England everyday. I take your points onboard tho.

Welsh Red

Snjeider is nearly 28

Who's Snidjer?

Andy

04 Jun 2012 21:54:06
Chelsea are only spending loads due to there "6th" finish this season for consistants.

Hulk never played outside portugal and brazil ? Flop ?
Hazard never played outside ligue 1 ? Flop ?
People like sturidge,malouda,torres even won't play due to new players. That will change the mood of the camp. These players arnt Robbies material, if he gets the job !


Yaya wants to leave city ? he is there driving force
augeuro is LINKED with a move awa
tevez also ?

On the other hand Kagawa never played outside japan and germany ? Flop ?
at least we would only loose 17m on him and not 70m
Revenue in japan would proberly take off a couple plus kagawa not playing so much.
Vice Versa

Not saying this is going to happen but ah ho?

St***d post!

Look like all the players playing at PL where born in England...

Nick86

Come on now didnt hulk play in japan lol

04 Jun 2012 21:27:07
I'm seriously hoping MUFC don't even consider j. Rod he isn't goin 2 improve us at all. Yes kagawa wud b an excellent addition at a gr8 price but he isn't the guy 2 get the title bak, utd need 2 sign Atleast 5 of the following players 2 av any chance in my opinion :-

PIQUE, Chielleni, WALKER, Richards, KHEDIRA, Witsel , ORTZIL, Kaka, Lampard, Huntelaar, Drogba, Van persie, FALCAO Plus Kagawa and Baines.

My personal choices in capitals.

G.Star Red

Ortzil lol, sounds like a strong chemical cleaning agent or something

We don't need anywhere near that mate, although it would make a good team on FIFA12 :)

Gav

If we sign ortzil dont we need keith harris too? on a serious note good signing in kagawa all we could do with is a left back and a striker and I will be happy. bookedredmole

04 Jun 2012 20:45:50
Modric will be signed as No 1 target to reinvigorate a predictable Utd midfield- Kagawa behind Rooney and
Gaitan is now back on Fergie's radar to double up on the left and likely to sign at the expense of Nani (Fergie lost patience)
Fergie does want Bale but as a wingback if he can get Asamoah to offer vital protection to the backline
Anderson, Berbatov,Park as well as Nani and some fringe players will help balance the books - Watch this space as my source is seldom wrong!

04 Jun 2012 21:04:25
Hmm, I wonder if Jenny from our site is the Jenny who was on The Paddy Crerand Show tonight...

Jenny, was it you, :o?

MPez

Yeah, because their's only one Manchester United fan called Jenny ;)

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - Jenny from the block....or was that Anderson again????}

Alright Lady Gagus, you big bully ;)

It could be you never know mate, haha.

MPez

Did she sound fit?

G.A.G.U.S

Haha, I don't want to say...just incase it is her ;)

Take from that what you will ;)

MPez

No she didn't, and she didn't know what she was talking about either. Llorente is a must she kept saying... No,no he isn't

fearny

04 Jun 2012 20:13:49
Neymar for no.7? quality player like him is not being touted around as much as others. I'm guessing a club has secured an option to sign him but would love a player like him to provide some wow factor to our play, we've lost it since Ronaldo was sold. On player purchases, my feeling is Man Uniteds' budget for post season transfers is player sales + 30m, as we had signed Phil Jones a season early. We should fetch £10m by selling Bebe, Berbatov and Park

Barcelona player.

G.A.G.U.S

04 Jun 2012 19:21:50
EDEN HAZARD ELABORATED ON HIS MOVE TO CHELSEA, WHAT HE MEANT WAS INFACT "Chelsea have a warmer bench than UTD so id rather sit on chelseas bench and keep warm whilst earning £250,000 a week" Poor bloke

Granted it was only 1 match but Hazard didn't impress me against England although I admit I'd have loved him to join us

Pardoe

Give me the job i would sit on a bench as a job for 250,000 a week {Ed007's Note - Give me half and I'll make sure you are comfy!!}

04 Jun 2012 18:28:56
What seems to be confusing me at the minute is why everyone is complaining that United aren't signing top players but when there is a possibility (and I do genuinely think a realistic possibility) that Luka Modric could join, so many are saying he is overrated, doesn't score etc.. I personally think Modric would be perfect for our midfield. He is in my opinion the closest thing to Scholes and I think he would do a great job.

The complaints are that he doesn't score or doesn't assist that many goals but he is the catalyst of everything Spurs do. He is the engine behind every attack. I believe that we could sign him and play a system where Carrick sits behind him and Kagawa.

All of this is just my thoughts but I think if United were to sign Modric, Kagawa and a new LB, then we would have had a successful summer.

RedMax

Agreed, i'd still feel we would need a tackler in there for certain games. But in a lot of games Carrick/ Modric would be alright. Put either Pogba/ Fletcher in there and could be a good trio.

I believe the best player is Javi Martinez and we would be wrong to miss out on him.

Red Man

I seriously think we have no chance whatsoever at getting him and i don't think its financial i just don't think Martinez wants to leave Spain. Its not like Mata, Silva and De Gea who have all moved to England to raise their profile.

But we do not want to hang around for Martinez and then miss out on both Modric or Martinez. That would be very disappointing if Martinez stayed at Bilbao or went to Barcelona/RM near the end of the window and we missed out on Modric too. I think we were trying to be too clever last summer and that backfired.

Sydney!

Yeah I would agree a new tackler should be signed if possible but if the money is not available I feel a ball player like Modric would do for the time being. Although yes I think Martinez would be incredible, but I feel Modric is more attainable right now.

RedMax

Sydney

It was well reported Martinez was unsettled so we should find out. How would you feel if we bought Modric then found out Martinez would have been available but went to City.

Red Man

I would be very disappointed mate, but I would be more disappointed if we had a summer like last summer and ended up empty handed because we put all of our eggs in one basket. I think if he leaves at all it will be for Barcelona or RM. Chelsea would be a big threat too, I think Ed002 is keeping it under wraps like he did with the Chelsea interest in Goetze, but I think Chelsea maybe watching what Martinez does very very closely.

Sydney!

Totally agree with you Redmax - Modric is probably the best replacement for Scholes we could hope for, even though he is a tad overpriced. A combative midfielder to play alongside him would be great but either would be an improvement to our starting XI

Gav

If we panic and go in the wrong direction it would be worse

Is this not what we pay Gill over £1M a year to resolve? Then he needs to get out there and resolve it

Red Man

If we aren't likely to spend on a def midfielder will we see Phil jones there next year?

Red Bear

04 Jun 2012 17:35:23
Just a quick wake up call to some of the fantasy players some people on here talk about.... When it comes to dining at the top table for players we are very much 5th in the queue, could even be 6th soon...Reasoning, well first and second are Barca and Real Madrid, take your pick, ( money and lifestyle ), third are chelsea ( lot's of money and London), fourth are Citeh, ( just lots of money...nothing else really, which says a lot for the players they buy....oh, and a project of course!), then us. So when we chat on here about which players we've been linked with, just hope that none of the above are in for them too!

J - Stand

J - Stand

In this case, you forgot to add PSG to that list,...money and paris> money and london
DJ

Sorry DJ but EPL > Ligue1.
(most) players want decent league, if only to enhance their commercial oportunities.

DodgyBanter

04 Jun 2012 16:56:28
Anyone see Hazard's interview with a french radio station just? Here's a few quotes

''There was a battle between United and Chelsea"

" I choose Chelsea because they have the best project and it's a big team. My priority is to play ! "

"Victory in Champion's League change my mind. European competition is very important for me

''Yes, I spoke to Abramovich and we were on the same wavelength. They have ambition to become an even bigger club, bringing in great players''

''I need to play well, score lots of goals, for Chelsea fans to say "we did well to get him".

RED87

Yearite, chose money simple

I don't see what is wrong with this?

I wish him all the best on a successful career.

The Moon.

Moon read the comments.

"Best project" well aren't both teams projects the same? You know win trophies?

"Its a big team" Yeah has he even looked at the clubs? Stadium, history, manager. I Think we're bigger.

"European competition is important to me" I must have missed the bit where we failed to qualify then.

I could go on....

It's funny how they seem to mention the word "Project" when they are trying to justify their decision, at least his agent is earning his £6m by telling him what to say.

Sydney!

Two words spring to mind. Jealous and arrogant.

It was the right choice at the right time for him. Thats all. Stop being insulted by his choice.

Chelski

It looks as though any player who has the temerity to choose a team other than Manchester United is a money grabber !
Wake up - you are obviously not the most attractive club to sign for...

Choose other than Utd = money grabber
Choose United = star player

Puzzled

You could go on, but you already sound bitter enough... let that lad crack on for christs sake!

Whistler.

Who cares, he has chosen Chelsea over us for whatever reasons they may be, why are we even talking about the player anymore
Invisible STuey

04 Jun 2012 16:32:57
Praise for Valencia:

I was very impressed with the development of his game this season; he was very one dimensional in previous seasons, taking his man down the line on every given occasion,albeit, still very effective, largely due to his pace, particularly from a standing start. But this season he has shown a willingness to mix it up at cut inside his man early on which has just terrorised left backs. It was bad enough when they had Valencia's script, but now the boy is ad libbing and ripping them apart. I just hope he can stay fit and continue to impress.

BornInToIt

04 Jun 2012 16:12:12
I can understand the gaffers "value in the market stance"... I think the Kagawa deals a very shrewd example of policy. If he had 3 years left on his contract he'd cost £25M easy! Looks qualty!

I'd love to see Modric at old trafford but for £35M??? And thats what levy would want for him... £10M overpriced in my opinion. Sayingthat i do believe we need a top quality creative player in the midfield.

I'd offer £20M for Chiek Tiote.... h'es proved hes a top premier league performer and he does exactly what it says on the tin... and does it superbly!

I'd go for Benba Ba if he's available for the reported £7M because of the clause in his contract. Especially now Will Keanes out for most of next season.... Down to 3 strikers.

I'd like to see Anderson sold (had his chance and failed). Park too... (great servent to the reds but isnt the player he was)


Pit Ape

I wouldn't be surprised to see this Modric deal go down to the last day... I know ego shouldn't come into it, but I think united's fingers are still burning from that Berba transfer. Levy knows that Modric is gone but he's going to make damn well sure he hurts the pockets of his suitor.

BornInToIt

Modric isn't worth the money they're askin,plus why do we need him!i don't know what all the fuss is about him he's not great at all!top quality creative midfielder modric certainly is not!his stats say it all!hes a Chelsea want to be anyway!let them pay ridicules money for a mediocre player nway,scumbag!

He keeps the ball ticking in the middle of the park. Besides the nonsensical price tag, it is the lack of assist and goals that is putting everyone off on this site. I'm not going to check the stats ,I'm just going on my gut feeling on this one, but I don't remember too many Modric goals or defence smashing passes.

BornInToIt

Why do we need him? This site shocks me at times, we clearly need class midfielders and modric is certainly that. Complaints when we don't spend then if we do spend big or linked to spend but then it's not good enough.

Just don't get it.

GDS

04 Jun 2012 15:44:57
I am quite frankly bored with all the Nani, Glazer, Gill etc talks. Its getting way repetitive now. I think we all know most of the posters' opinions on those and none of them are going to change.

I want to bring up the more finer issues facing not only Manchester United, but English football in general. I find people over here discussing the Spanish and German players, youngsters like Martinez who have been fantastic and get their chance to develop. Imo, the very basic problem in English football right now is that we aren't producing enough skillful players. Strength and stamina are being preferred over skill.

There needs to be a major overhaul at the grassroots level of English football. When the likes of Davies, Carrol, Fellaini play and toughen the league up its a bit harsh on our youngsters and they lose a couple of years due to injuries and fatigue and pace of the game which does not happen in Spain. In general the proper development of players in Spanish football is not being replicated here. We are having to buy talent even at youth level which is frustrating.

Its all too good talking about the likes of Martinez, but what about our own skillful youngsters who are getting injured? I am no doubt talking about the likes of Cleverley and Wilshere. Its extremely frustrating to see posters and fans in general expecting us to sign players from foreign countries with better climates and lower taxes there due to being a high earner buy in your own country. It would be a lot easier if English football produced a core of good young players with skill and pace who don't get roughened up. You could see a 19 year old Jones being completely burnt out at the end of the season after having an amazing first half of it.

There is also a problem i feel of specializing players in certain positions a bit too early, meaning they are not as comfortable in other areas of the pitch and these small things add up when we play against the likes of Barcelona. Skillful, small players get simply shrugged off and there seems to be too much emphasis at youth level imo at winning rather than creating good young footballers. After all what use is a youth team if it can't give first team level players? I'd certainly rather have a couple of good players coming into the first team from youth level instead of a team which wins at youth level due to better physiques simply but doesn't necessarily give good players.

English football really needs to get back to basics, look at what the great managers of the past like Sir Matt did, what the likes of Barcelona and Germany are doing and revolutionize English football. Its for this reason i support SAF when he gets the best English talent available like Jones, Smalling and gives the likes of Cleverley a chance.

We had a huge number of people moaning about Hazard not being signed, i was much more upset about Morrison not being able to get his head right and get down working.

Buying success only lasts for a few years and its not sustainable. When you look at all the great teams of the past, Manchester United, Milan, Barcelona, Liverpool, all had a major part of their teams coming from their own academies. Now i'm not suggesting we shouldn't spend on good quality players, but there needs to be more support for the youth and emphasis on development.

REDFAITH

P.S. Sorry about the length of the post.

They need to change the law on how long youth players can train for in a day. Here it is about 1& half hours per day. Spain is nearly all-day.
Deep rooted laws need changing, it's not because we don't breed them.

Supasub

Redfaith I totally agree, but this argument has been going for 40 years.

There has recently been some work on this, a proposal was submiited to all the County FA's to vote on to try and improve the set up of youth football involving smaller pitches and steps like that.

We are so far behind Spain, Germnay, France and the Netherlands it is frightening.

I think we are at our poorest, in terms of a national side, since the 70's.

The proposal was approved the other week

04 Jun 2012 15:03:07
The FA have confirmed that Cahill will miss the Euro 2012 tournament after his injury at the England vs Belgium friendly game.

Where have you been for the last 24 hours drinking escessive amounts of Jubilee bitter this was announced yesterday afternoon
ARB

Breaking news: Roy Hodgson is the new manager of England!

GDS

Manchester United have signed Eric Cantona from Leeds United.

G.A.G.U.S

Free Nelson Mandela.

Supasub

G.A.G.U.S- signed Cantona from Leeds

Can you You imagine what this forum would have been like if it was around then?
Klooty and redman et all going on about how bad we are signing a Leeds reject etc just shows the Edwards have. I ambition etc etc ; ferguson out etc etc bloody boring etc.
Mike

Mike

I remember the evening when we signed Cantona and we were all excited, we could see the quality in him. I was in the pub that night with my united supporting friends and we were all very positive about Cantona.

Your assumption was a wrong one

You should also remember our expectations have risen since then but we knew how good Cantona was

Red Man

04 Jun 2012 14:41:30
Looks like the Kawaga deal is almost secured. Will be a great signing IMO, hopefully he'll do a "David Silva" job for us, providing goals and assists! We need a defensive midfielder. Would love to see Tiote or Asamoah in a United shirt! Any news on either of these guys signing ed's? {Ed004's Note - Heard nothing new}

04 Jun 2012 13:51:50
So there are 6 Liverpool players in the England squad?

It'll be interesting to watch a team come 8th out of a group of four.

G.A.G.U.S

I've already posted on the Liverpool page demanding an apology be issued to the rest of England for ruining our chances.

Didn't get posted funnily enough?

Chelski

Chelski , You actually rate Terry?

Tom.

04 Jun 2012 13:11:54
Am i the only one here who thinks Rooney will be half the player playing up top he ruins his game imo as he likes to get involved we would better off signing higuain playing rooney in the whole the signing kagawa to play central with M'Villa

The season when ronaldo left he played upfront alone and managed 34 goals and even missd the last month of the season. hes a sstriker and shud play up front as its his best posistion, some1 should be brought in to play that role not rooney .

Not at all!

Rooney had his best ever season when he played up front, his link up play is good but it's not brilliant, I would much rather have Rooney playing up top than any other forward on the planet.

As for Kagawa, if we play him in a midfield 2 we're going to be getting spanked left right and center by any side who have a little power and a little technical ability.

It's like playing David Silva or Mata in a midfield 2.

The Moon.

Agree - tho I think we should concentrate on mid field , left wing , and left back ; rather than on a forward , Chico and Danny tho inexperienced are enough given our "restricted" finding. In a 4231 Rooney is much more effective in the "hole"
Mike

Not at all Rooney is best upfront, with someone feeding him.

He's wasted in the hole as he has to go looking for the ball and end up all over the pitch where he isn't as effective and isn't doing any damage to teams.

Do people not watch the games?

04 Jun 2012 13:01:58
.................de gea................
Smalling..Evans...Vidic....Alba
..........M'villa....J Martinez.....
.................Kagawa..............
...Valencia...............Young....
.................Rooney...............


...............Lindergaard...........
Rafael..Jones...Ferdinand..Evra
Nani....Scholes....Carrick...Park
............Ba......Wellbeck.........

Subs.
Powell, Giggs, Cleverly, Fletcher, Hernandez


Ins: Out:
Martinez 25mil. Owen released
Powell 5mil. Berbatov 7mil
M'villa 20mil. Anderson 12 mil
Kagawa 14mil
Ba 10mil {Ed004's Note - Would be one hell of a team but are we getting Alba for free? Also would prefer to play Nani on the left...Also Smalling CB and Rafael RB}

Good shout that would be a great 1st team.

Mad Hatter

04 Jun 2012 11:56:55
I generally hate commenting, but i thought i would give it a go for this blog. Been reading your stuff for awhile.

04 Jun 2012 11:58:50
instead of modric a bid for one of schweinsteiger ,hamsik,erickssen,gotze will be great.

schweinsteiger is the closest we can get to xavi and iniesta.(scholes is the closest if he is in and around 30)

a double bid for schweinsteiger and gotze will take us near to barca.
with m villa playing the anchor role we can outplay most teams(even barca! ) technically

gea
jones/anotherRW smalling vidic evra/anotherLW
mvilla
schweinsteiger gotze
kagawa
rooney welback

all subs:
young
valencia
nani/gaitan
carrick
fletcher
giggs
scholes
evans
rafael
fryers
rio(if he stays)
hernandez
Lindgard

look at the quality difference between the playing 11 and the subs in paper atleast.
in my opinion if 11 from subs start a game against a team like barca or madrid i am sorry to say they will tear us apart.

last season SAF played a starting 11 from the subs i mentioned against some teams (what we got at the moment).

we lost the league only of goal difference? in my view it is quality difference.

I request SAF to get quality players not particularly schweinsteiger or gotze or hamsik etc, anyone who may cost 5 m or 50 m but bring the quality of scholes ,roy keane, ronaldo again to united.

ravi

Kagawa got player of the year in the same team as gotze did he not? Just because he is not the marquee signing people on here mentioned does not mean he is not top class!

GDS

I am not saying kagawa is average player or gotze is better than him.I just want united to play with atleast three world class players in the ATTACK.
rooney,ronaldo,tevez,berbatov (we had four world class players) now only rooney left.
schweinsteiger,gotze,kagawa,rooney are the new fab four in my opinion.
with mvilla playing the role of hargreaves

ravi

So you'd like to take the Etch-sketch start from scratch approach then? You want to keep 5 players from last season in our starting 11? Why not replace Welbeck with Higuain and have done with it?!?

Sick of these fantasy football posts. You should be supporting Citeh or Chelski. Simple as.

DodgyBanter

04 Jun 2012 10:39:19
If we sogn van persie i think rooney will leave. What formation would we play 4-1-2-1-2
De gea
Jones vidic rio baines
modric
Valencia young /new winger
kagawa
Van persie rooney

Thats a quality team i dont think we will get van p
But i am hopefull of baines,modric,kagawa
Ed what are your thoughts {Ed004's Note - Modric as a holding midfielder? Just no...}

This does not make any sense

You said if we sign van persie rooney will be on his way off and then you put rooney in your starting lineup. Thats not the worst in ur post : ur using modric as a defensive midfielder. Nope i dont buy it .
Mick

That team is just plain wrong ! you have no defensive minded player.. Jones ahead of Rafael.... Rio ahead of Smalling... im just bewildered by your idea to be honest

04 Jun 2012 10:17:19
I think the Manchester Evenng News story maybe a regurgitation of the Daily Mail piece from yesterday however the MEN usually are in the right vicinity.

If there is truth in this it is beyond a joke now. If it is posturing then fine but in previous seasons there was no value in the market after these type of comments. Talking it over with a fellow red we both don't want SAF out but are starting to look forward to the post SAF era with perhaps a manager who will demand to be supported by the owners for the players he wants and that we need.

Has SAF become a little too embroiled with the financial affairs of the club in that it must be a bargain? Has SAF got his reputation too much in mind for buying cheaper players and making them into better players, rather than what the team needs? We cry out for a top number two for him because tactically SAF is not a top tactician but he also makes strange team selections Scholes not playing at Wigan, Nani instead of Valencia at City, rafael and giggs in central midfield and scholes, giggs and park all starting together. Perhaps a good number two would point out the need for top players and that the game has moved on transfer fee wise. No matter how much people dislike it, we set a record fee for Ronaldo and that has set the scene. A new number two might push SAF into realising what level of player we need but who is going to come in now unless my source about Guardiola was right.

There is no wind of change at OT but the breeze is starting to rustle and I do look forward to a change at the top as long as it is not another cheap option, after all given the driving force SAF has been, if we have no value in the market when looking at a new manager we really will be in trouble

Red Man

I 100% agree with this Red Man.

Although this is of course only IF the paper stories are true, us lot tend to be very selective with what we do and do not believe when it's in the media.

I think myself, like many will wait until September before passing judgement on the manager, the owner, etc.

The Moon.

It a difficult thing to say but are united ready for a change in direction.
The game has moved on and tactically we look like we have been left behind a bit.
The epl still suits our style but we looked poor in the more tactical European games
Jred

FFS - the international transfer window hasn't even opened yet!!
Mike

Red Man, this is what I think is the main issue. The manager is too stubborn in terms of bargains and paying agents fees. I think it's him who pulls the plugs on certain deals after finding out via Gill what the players or their agents want. However I do think this is a fault of the Glazers due to the debt that they have put on the club. I think this as made the manager extra careful with the finances. I think he is still slightly haunted by the Veron and Berbatov deals and I think he is aware that a huge fee can put too much pressure on a player. Of course the Glazers will not give the manager any amount of cash, but I do believe the manager has had the cash to sign certain players. He has either decided not to or the players have decided against a move to United for whatever reason.

Sydney!

I not sure fergy is that involved in transfers is that not gills job.
So now it's fergys fault

The manager is far more hands on than some people think. He would have told Samir Nasri and Wes Sneijder to bugger off and he wouldn't have enjoyed Hazard's nonsense either.

If a player chooses a different country over England or London over Manchester or chooses to stay put at his current club then that's that. But if the player is happy to move to Manchester then when it comes down to wages and agent fees, I believe SAF plays a massive part in it. He is one of the only managers to be hands on with transfers, him and Wenger.

Sydney!

I no longer live in manchester what was the m.e.n article?

What was the news in the MEN? Can somebody clear up?

REDFAITH

They went with the Sunday Mail's story.

Sydney!

Mike

So what if the window is not open yet! Has that fact stopped Chelsea already signing Marin, Hazard and looking to get Hulk sorted out and all without a manager in place?

SAF usually wants to get deals done quickly which is why he was possibly hanging around until the Hazard decision was made. I believe the top target was him and Kagawa to be sorted before his hols and look at other areas during the course of the summer so he can now spend time mulling over other options for Hazard position and hit the ground running when he gets back.

The window being 'open' has little bearing on deals other than when they can officially sign for another team. look at Sahin last year.

Jono

@Sydney! Thanks. I won't bother looking any further into it it now. Its utter rubbish journalism if you ask me.

REDFAITH

04 Jun 2012 09:38:43
It seems Spurs would be happy to do a deal at 32m for Modric.

I think this would be the perfect signing.

If we're are to play a 433 or 451 like people believe,

RCM Modric & Fletcher (if he recovers used to rotate)
RCM Sub Petrucci to be blooded in if were 2 or 3-0 up.
CM Carrick & Scholes (to pick up the ball deep & ping passes to the wingers or simple side to side in Carricks case)
LCM Cleverley & Anderson to be used alternately to prevent injury, youthful & dynamic players to join attack and to track back when under pressure)
LCM Giggs sub to come on if the game is being won and is
tight.

If we can't get our hands on Modric 32m we should try for Sahin 18/25m would be worth spending. 2yrs younger than Modric and the same kind of player. More goals and assists to his game. Also understands Kagawa's game.

Evra needs cover/replacing with Jetro Willems. PSV have always been happy to do business with us in the past. At a young age we should be willing to make at least unto 6m bid for this young promising left back.

Kagawa 13/15m
Powell 4m
Willems 4/6m
Modric 32m or Sahin 18/25m

Less than 60m spent plus money that we bring in from sales. This would be a GREAT SUMMER.

Modric for 32m I don't think so,hes only worth 15-20m max!sick of people going on about modric here!why does everyone think he's the player we need.he plays deep he's not creative,he doesn't score goals and hes not aggressive enough to be a holding midfielder,which is what we need,not another flousie that pushes the ball about,we have one or two of those already!we don't need modric!hes done nothing in the premier league to show he's world class anyway!not a bad player!but would be a bad buy!And I've is no where near worth 32m!

3 Years younger and would cost a little less, Real got him for downwards of 10 mill euros and after playing only 4 games, i dont think his cost will be that high,defensively better than modric too
DJ

Yet i could see that kagawa 13m powell 4m willems 8m maher 7m and sahin 18m who's a better player than modric
cjwales82

I seriously dont want us to buy Luka Modric he is too overrated and over priced he isnt that effective he is like carrick always passes side to side or backwards no thanks

I think I'll take scholes's and SAF's word for it when referring to Modric.

Supasub

04 Jun 2012 07:21:52
This is the united line up I want to see next season.. What do you all think ??

De gea

Rafael. Jones. Vidic. Baines.


Valencia. Modric. Kagawa. Gaitan.


Rooney. Van persie

Not going to happen, sorry. MIDDLETON RED

Team would be far to open and we would be torn apart by most teams in the league. Modric and Kagawa are too similar and we would be to lightweight in the middle

fearny

Rafael should not be wearing the shirt... thus guy costs us v Bayern Munich last year by being sent off and ocst us the league v Everton this year... he is reckless and never mind he is learning !
he is not a full back simples !!

I couldn't think, my brain cells committed suicide after reading this
DJ

Go back to fifa.

RK16

Modric overrated as is gaitan and v persie before this season has had multiply injuries and after playing for holland in euro2012 i dont fancy his chances of staying i injury plus that team would have no dm holding player and would get overrun cjwales82

Baines no
Modric no
Van Persie would be great but no

kagawa will do a good job for us going forward but we need a dmf,like Martinez or Strootman.Dont think we will buy a striker and we need to find a better lb than baines,too slow. {Ed004's Note - I thought Strootman was more of a box to box midfielder}

@No Name - Rafael is one of if not the best young right back in world football at the minute...

@Original Poster - That team would get picked apart ... Van Persie would be one of the worst buys in our history imo Gaitan is nowhere near as good as James Rodriguez Kagawa and Modric wouldnt be useful in the centre together we need a powerhouse like M'Villa in there and how did you put Jones ahead of Smalling are you mad?

Where's smalling in your team IMO he is class

MIDDLETON RED or should we call you by a more suitable name like MIRKY DISMAL - great supporter you are, are you just going to shoot down every positive post- we really need supporters like you dont we!

WTF are u on about,there is no chance that we will sign Baines20mill,Modric32mill,Kagawa14mill,Gaitan25mill,Van Persie would not be sold to us.What is this Mirky dismal nonsense?. You say United dont need fans like me, I have been a match going Red for over 40 years(20 as a season/lmtb holder) get a grip,oh & next time leave a name, maybe Mirky Dismal. MIDDLETON RED

I think...keep Gaitan and RVP and give me Strootman (or Martinez/M'Villa/Sahin) and we'd have a more solid team with less of an outlay:

___________DDG__________
Rafael__Smalling_Vidic__Baines
______Modric__Strootman____
Valencia____Kagawa____Nani
___________Rooney________

Baines is not my 1st choice at LB but I do think he could do a job for us (far more solid than Evra has been for 2 years)

Gav

Its really irritating to see people suggesting we sell nani in exchange for gaitan, have you people seen him play more than 5 games? have you even seen his stats?
If you re going to suggest we sell nani, atleast have the sense to suggest a decent replace.

Millz

04 Jun 2012 00:59:09
Silva, Aguero, Toure, Nasri, Balotelli, de Jong, Clichy and Zabaleta have all decided to leave Man City. Collectively they have realised that the most important thing a player looks for when choosing a club is that it is located in a massive metropolitan city. Experts are suggesting that the popular belief that players join clubs that offer them the highest wages is complete nonsense. According to the newly established Sydney Principle, geographical location is now the deciding factor in the movement of world class football players.

So don't expect any big name foreign players to move to Manchester this year, but that's not down to wages or an unwillingness to match club valuations, it's solely down to the weather, and lack of boutique shops and michelin star restaurants.

Danny Pughnited

Maybe the last 4 names will leave but certainly not the first 4. What site did you get this crap from.

fearny

Location is probably the biggest factor when a player is considering a life changing move. Of course some players are all about the money and if you offer them inflated salaries like City have had to do to attract the top players, they may choose to move someplace where they do not really want to be. But sometimes extra money isn't enough, ask;

Ibrahimovic, Buffon, Kaka, De Rossi, Sanchez, Villa etc.

I guess it's easier for Silva, Toure & Aguero too as they have already played in Spain. Although Silva did want to stay in Spain, but neither Barcelona or RM wanted him at the time and Valencia had to sell. Each case is different but the players we have been interested in, Oezil wanted Spain, Benzema wanted Spain, Sanchez wanted Spain, Hazard wanted London, Sneijder and Nasri wanted City style salaries. It is not as easy as people think to bring in top players nowadays. Some want to go to a particular club over the money, some want vast amounts of cash which is unrealistic unless you are bankrolled by a sugar daddy.

Sydney!

I heard that city are looking at re locating to Miami in a bit to attract the worlds top players
Jred

I think what club you are going to play for and how much money you will be getting are the most important factor player consider

There are many things a player has to consider when choosing a club. But relocating is the biggest decision for a foreign footballer with a family. Anyone can play and train at a stadium a few times a week, what is important is whether you and your family will be happy to live/work/go school in that particular location. Language can also be a problem for players with young kids. This is another reason why Brazilians with a family may choose Portugal or other South Americans will choose Spain. It's not always the case, but sometimes culturally it makes better sense to move your family say from Argentina to Spain for your family's sake.

Sydney!

Its a factor but not the biggest
Did kaka ronaldo benzema etc move to Madrid because they wanted to live in Madrid or because they wanted to play for Madrid same goes for barce
Did silva yaya tevez sign for city because they wanted to live in Manchesteror for a good wage
Did RVP ferdy kean sign for united to live in Manchester or because of history fergy etc

Location is an issue of course but I'm not sure it's the biggest factor I agree with no name the club and wage are prob the biggest factor
Jred
Did RVP

Club and salary is important to a player, but what about his family? A player without a family will only care about what team he wants to play for and what his salary will be. A family man will have to consider far more. Every individual case is different. Only those players know why they moved to those particular clubs. But many of them never had families or already lived in the same country or spoke the same language. We know Tevez' move to Europe was greed and we know Silva was forced out of Valencia due to their cash flow problems.

Sydney!

Like I said location is an issue I just don't think it's the biggest
Jred

04 Jun 2012 00:19:12
I have a question for Ed004. I know you've said before you love Higuain to arrive before. However, if we do indeed switch to having Rooney up top with Kagawa behind I'm not convinced he will play an awful lot without leaving Kagawa out. Don't you think the money would be better spent elsewhere? Particularly as successful teams in Europe have adopted a 4-2-3-1 eg. Bayern, Madrid, Chelsea, Barca (4-3-3 variation). I just think that with Rooney, welbeck, Hernandez and kagawa we'll have enough up top and we'd be better strengthening positions that should be higher priority (CM, LB). We saw Berba didn't play a lot last year so I feel bringing in someone like Higuain or even RVP (massively unlikely IMO) would waste welbeck and Hernandez too as we saw Berbatov was barely involved last year as fourth choice. Anyway, sorry for such a long post on just one point but would love to know everyone's thoughts as well as Ed004 :)

Fred {Ed004's Note - If we are only playing one striker up top the money we would need to sign Higuain should be spent on a midfielder, lb or a lw.}