Manchester United Banter Archive August 05 2013

 

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05 Aug 2013 23:20:51
If Rooney wants out we must sell to the highest bidder when it and if it suits us. We do not want to keep an unhappy player albeit we do not want to shoot ourselves in the foot if we are short on quality. that's talking with your head, from the heart get rid asap, MUFC deserve more from him and he is a gready twit. So we haven't signed the midfield reinforcements we desperately need, I am sure we will add a midfiekder soon and you know what, if we don't give the kids a chance. You can't win the premiership with kids, yeah right! Moyesee knows what to do and will prove the doubters wrong, he's made from the same stuff as sir matt and saf. Looking forward to a fit, focused, tighter and unpredictable MUFC this season whoever has the immense privilage to wear the red devils shirt. Bring it on!

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How can you say sell to the highest bidder when there is only one bidder.

Further more Rooney will not move abroad, he wants to stay in England and he wants to move to Chelsea.

As regard to those people who say he should not be sold untill after our game with Chelsea. that is nonsense.

We can sell him now with a contractual obligation that he cannot play in our 2nd game of the season. It's a take it or leave it statement. {Ed029's Note - It is not allowable to make such provisions.}

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05 Aug 2013 22:30:55
Guys now IF Rooney leaves we will see the best of kagawa, in the number 10 role and we will also see Chicharito playing more! We all know give chicha a chance and he will score! I'm hoping if Rooney does go we use the money to buy a world class cm like gundogan or Modric and give the likes of Powell and Januzaj a chance!

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I agree, we have a similar situation as Spurs. I think they play with too much emphasis on Bale.

Without Rooney we adapt our play and allow Kagawa and others to develop

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05 Aug 2013 21:40:52
David de gea is a beast in the making we are lucky to have a top young up and coming keeper just watched some of last years games also phil jones he is a beast of a player two gems we have there

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05 Aug 2013 21:31:14
Well i'm going to hold back on the "I told you so" for now as nothing is set in stone.

But suprise suprise Rooney is injuried and unable to play in the AIK game.

Just like he was injuried for all the tour.

Yet this is after both David Moyes and Nemanja Vidic have said what great shape Wayne had returned in. In fact Vidic said he was in the best shape he had seen him in in a long time.

Yet this fit and healthy Wayne Rooney keeps picking up little injuries when the cameras are off him.

Funny how these injuries haven't stopped him enjoying his life.

He played golf with his strained knee.

And i've been told he played golf again on the weekend.

Which is odd as he picked up a shoulder injury in the Betis game a few days before.

Now i'm not a fan of golf but i'd imagin it puts a fair bit of strain on your knees and shoulders imperticular.

And his injuries have been servre enough for him to be unable to play football.

The club are keeping Rooney out of these games on purpose as he will not be part of our sqaud for much longer. And the club want to keep him away from the other players and don't want to waste time conditioning him for some other team.

You watch these "injuries" won't stop him from passing a medical with another club.

All the Rooney lovers better get your tissues out, I reckon he could be gone by the Wigan game.

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Thats great shappy. let's all rejoice at giving rooney to Chelsea. Really clever that.
Nomidfield

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Shappy
He hasn't got a strained knee pal not sure where you got that from.
Maybe from the same person who told you he was playing golf at the weekend.

Jred

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I Think he probably refused to play

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If this is the case, (which I don't think it is) then this is bad news for United. How people don't appreciate what Rooney does for the team is beyond me. Everyone says he's been awful for the past year or two and that he's terribly out of shape. Have we been watching the same United? Would be sad to see him go.

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Shappy, you are so freakin' biased, I think it is embarrasing. You need some fresh air more than people needing tissues. You keep saying vague things and claim them as facts. Its just a shame, because otherwise you are a brilliant and balanced poster. Learnt not to take you seriously on any Rooney posts, that's for sure.

Deeps.

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Jred - the strained knee was why he missed the tour, Shappy was talking about this AND the shoulder injury he picked up against Betis a lot more recently

Shappy - *in particular

Jaxer

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I'm with No midfield here. Forget how annoyed you may be with Rooney. Our concern should be the team and without the recruits that we hoped for I see no point in selling Rooney.

I grant you that he may be disruptive in the short term but we cannot afford to sell our best players.

P. s. Very sad to see you still have the same name No Mid.

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Rooney did not play well last season but to sell him is a major decision that I am uncomfortable with should he have come back as fit as thought. I would be very concerned indeed at selling him to Chelsea, for me you at as well send the PL trophy with him and the price is immaterial.

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06 Aug 2013 07:32:51
Jred, he wad sent home from the tour with a knee injury. So it was David Moyes who told me that, via the media. They said at the time he had strained ligaments in his knee.

As for him playing golf on the weekend, you can trust me he was. I've been told and even shown a photo of him in the golf club car park getting his clubs out of his car. I have no reason to lie about it.

So tell me why would you play golf when you have in injuried shoulder?

He isn't injuried, the club just want to keep him away from the team while they prepare for the new season and while they arrange his sale.

The club have been engineering his departure from the club for a long time. I fully expect we'll see the end of this before the Wigan game. If not certainly before the Swansea game.

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05 Aug 2013 21:30:58
Guys, the. beauty about our club is we'll never know who we're going to sign until they turn up. Remember cantons, Cole. So I'm hoping we'll wake up one day and they would have sprung a surprise on us.
Just a thought, I think the problem we've been having is not just fergie leaving, but Gill too. Add to that, all the coaching staff, and you'll see the enormity of the task. No company can lose all its management staff and training and sales staff and function correctly. That is my only worry. I wish we could have kept some of the coaching staff, and if Gill could have stayed another year, it would have made the transition easier.
Still, what's happened has happened and hopefully we can sign a couple of good ones.
Nomidfield

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Billy Cantons, he was a great player. Sorry mate, really good post. I used the word amateurish which may have been harsh but we really don't seem to be clear on our strategy. We can blame all the changes but someone at the club should maybe have thought through how this might pan out. Who knows, the triangle of Rooney, Fabregas, and Luiz may come to pass. I know you don't want to lose Rooney but I fear it is too late and he has become disruptive. Press reports today talk of senior players become frustrated with his attitude.

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06 Aug 2013 07:34:39
Hold the phone, that sounds positive Nomidfield mate. Are you feeling alright? Lol.

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I'll always remember those fantastic, Swiss geographical regions, mate.

Appenzell, was always my particular favourite :)

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Nomidfield
'the. beauty about our club is we'll never know who we're going to sign until they turn up'.

Are you refering to the fans or the management?

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05 Aug 2013 21:24:16
Would quite happily sleep through to the 1st September at this rate. Too many rumours, too little truth!

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05 Aug 2013 20:59:59
Rooney not travelling due to shoulder injury, give us some credit either United or Rooney tell us the truth as it looks look's like Rooney wants to go and United want to sell.

FFS not to Chelsea, call his bluff and let's see he he reacts in world cup year.

A

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05 Aug 2013 20:26:40
i hope rooney goes to arsenal if he leaves sell to chelski would hand them r title

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Looking at the strength of City and Chelski, we have allready handed over the title

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05 Aug 2013 20:15:37
There is a lot of opinions at the moment regarding Wayne Rooney, should we keep him or have him sold, that there isn't a suitable replacement and so on and so on, has it escaped everybody that he actually wants to leave. Now don't get me wrong i'm a fan of a fit and hungry Rooney who used to put maximum effort in, he didn't do that last season for sure, didn't even look interested in most games. so for what its worth my opinion is if he really does actually want to leave then I think sell him to the highest bidder whether there is a replacement or not. Manchester United do not need unhappy players who could effect morale, Manchester United always move on.

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I completely agree. Whatever out own opinions are about Rooney, he clearly has issues in his head and doesn't want to be here.

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I agree.

We are allways saying if a player doesn't want to join us then we are better off without him.

Therefore, if a player doesn't want to stay, then we are better off without him

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05 Aug 2013 19:58:20
I reckon Rooney will go for 40mil next week. Still can't see us getting Fab, although I would love it. I think will will end up with the 2 lads from Everton and one other midfielder. Would have loved Strootman, but that looks over now.
Anyone with any other ideas for the middle? It's hard because no one seems to be available. Why is there no talk of Erricson? Quality I think.

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Be patient we have our targets, they haven't changed since Moyes took over but when your aiming to improve an already strong squad with players whose clubs are desperate to keep hold of then it takes time.
Have city really improved on losing Ballotelli and Tevez,
I'm not sure but you can be sure if we do get our targets then we will see some great football at OT in the coming seasons.
Dylan

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Strootman is over

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City have improved. Make no mistake about that.
Nomidfield

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Tbh I don't think city have improved much.
apart from the exception of navas.

replacing two proven goalscorers in tevez and balotelli with jovetic and negredo is risky.

also fernandinho I feel will flop.

TRUMORS

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05 Aug 2013 19:37:57
Hi,
I am really getting worried that Moyes hasn't made any signings, it's just 27 days left and time is going.
Anyone else worried?

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Nope.

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Nope.

Baines will probably be done soon. Fabregas will be absolute last minute, if it happens, as would Ronaldo be, although that's less likely.

I'd imagine a 2nd midfielder will be done next week in advance of Fab.

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I have just invested in some brown underpants. I am seriously concerned about our lack of signings and potential for Rooney leaving. We need to take a leaf out of monacos book. Identify who you want and get the deal done early doors so you can bed the new players in before the season starts. Just look what they did to spurs. We have been far from convincing in preseason against weak opposition. I am scared.

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05 Aug 2013 22:32:09
No. We won the league by a country mile last year, with some players off form and others injured. We have a nice cohesive, young squad and the youth players are a year older and showing promise too. People want us to play youth, and in the same breath cry out to buy the worlds super stars for truly worrying sums of money. Spending money like this got the world where it is today.
Tell me, how many super stars did Dortmund buy? They've done OK.
Everyone is so quick to demand transfers and do a good job of justifying it with accurate, but one sided arguments.
People show very little trust or faith these days.
We have brought in a manager that will take time to settle. We have to allow that.
If no one is signed, so be it. We re-group and crack on.
Our only job is to support and people struggle with even that.

Im probably the only person with this view, but i'm comfortable with that.

Whistler.

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Yep, extremely worried,!i mean our first pl game is on the 17th of August?thats less than two weeks away!And we have a tough start to the Pl aswell!No players in and it's looking like Rooney wants out!well he's not ready to play anyway!im hoping Moyes isn't relying on Adnan, lingard or zaha to carry us because even though they look promising in preseason friendly's, so did Tosic and bebe!dont get me wrong they look to be better than those two and I do feel they have bright futures but they are still very very raw!
It's the midfield I worry about, with Carrick whom I think isn't good enough anyway, at 32!Cleverly just not good enough and Anderson has good qualities when fit and not handing in a sick note and we certainly can't rely on Giggs can we?, we realy are weak in the centre especially when you look around Europe elite and at home
at Chelsea and City midfield!
Moyes realy needs to get the finger out, fabregas was never coming to us at any price, he is already playing at his dream club!what about eirikson?, Marchisio?Vidal?
We need a midfielder that will go straight into first team, not someone who will warm the bench, I think getting a player like feilaini will smell of desparation, and Itl be pretty sad if end up with the likes of him,

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05 Aug 2013 23:26:43
Trust me Whistler your not the only one. But we do seem to be a rare breed atm. Lol.

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Whistler, we are legion :)

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Noname, you say Fabregas was never coming, as if we were tilting at windmills, and yet you just expect Juve to hand over their two best midfielders to us on a plate - behave yourself, mate.

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Oh yeah? So why don't u start by supporting rooney?

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Whistler,

You know I am of the exact same mindset, trust me you aren't the only one!

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I'd support Rooney if he stopped acting
Like a spoilt child, I'd rather keep a rooney that wants to stay at the club and work hard for his place in the squad!but he hasn't even come out and said he wants to stay has he!i think utd are holding out for the best price for him just like spurs are with bale or we will hold out until we get a replacement!Worst window so far in my opinion specially with Fergie gone!And another thing is I don't expect Juve to hand over they're best two midfielders!we have gone public on Fabregas, if we were slightly interested in those two why aren't Moyes speaking about them!i don't know why we kept putting bids in for fabregas, we must of been given false hope somewhere along the line but he ain't going nowhere is he!Fabregas and agent will play off our interest to get him a improved contract from barca I'd say!

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Not worried at all. from the outside it looks like utd really need at least one central midfielder and I'll be surprised if that doesn't happen.

however, even if Rooney leaves and we don't bring anyone in, I'll have to assume that Moyes thinks the youngsters are ready and he can bring about a dramatic improvement in our mid fielders.

to my mind that would be the only explanation.

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Whistler, we are like a secret club, each of us calm is a sea of insanity.

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05 Aug 2013 19:37:23
Maybe time to switch targets, for me it has to be gundogan, top player and what united are crying out for. Just hope we can get someone in soon.

Thanks mark

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There is no way that Dortmund will consider selling Gundogan this summer.

This is a club willing to turn down a 30m bid from Bayern for Lewandowski this summer and let him leave on a free next summer.

They have lost Gotze and they are determined not to lose any more of their star players this summer. Gundogan, Lewandowski and Reus are off the menu boys.

If we offered 50m for Gundogan they will turn it down. We can't get him so we probably should stop mentioning him.

But there are still plenty of very good midfielders we could get. Cabaye, Koke, Ander Herrera, Cirigliano, Romulo, Lars Bender, Schneiderlin, Luiz Gustavo, Kondogbia, Guarin, Pjanic, Witsel, Fellaini. actually scrap that last one. lol.

lets not panic.

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Mark

Just imagine we have in fact agreed something with Fabregas's agent but now decide to move on arbitrarily leaving him high and dry because there are fans becoming impatient. Word would get around and we wouldn't be trusted as much next time. It may not come off but we need to give the club time to do what they have planned.
I realise we have a difficult start to the season so could really do with signings in as soon as possible but let's all keep calm and judge Woodward and the Glazers when the window has closed

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Gundagon and Vidal. Spend the money and make it happen. Gundagon £27m Vidal £32m. Yes it would be expensive, but that's the price of ignoring improving the midfield for 4-5 years.

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Mark drawback is this would drag out as bad as Fabregas I think there's no chance of Gundogan

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Let's not panic let's just leave our head in the proverbial sand.

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06 Aug 2013 07:43:27
Okay no name let's take our heads out of the sand. Now what are you personally going to do to make the club get the signings we need? what's that? You can't do f**k all to help or make the club get the signings we need.

Well your about as useful as a chocolate teapot then aren't you.

Truth is none of us can do a damn thing to change what is happening at the club. What the management team have planned will happen. The club will pursue their targets and do their best to sign them, this might take longer than we would like. But there isn't anything any of us can do about it.

So we just have to sit back and relax and wait to see what happens. That isn't sticking our heads in the sand over it, we're just being patient like mature adults and not throwing our toys out of the proverbial pram because we haven't made the signings we'd like yet.

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05 Aug 2013 19:27:58
Evening all. regular reader but this is my 1st post. I really do think that if Rooney wants to leave, we should let him go. It won't do the rest of the squad any good to have Rooney at the club if his heart is no longer in it. David Moyes will be in a position where he will have to play Rooney because he is our biggest asset. at least financially. This will only be to the detriment of others, especially some of the younger members who deserve a chance. Although I agree Wayne has been played out of position too much, I don't agree that this is the sole reason for his decline in form over the last season or two. Playing out of position does not mean he has to put on weight, and to struggle with his fitness. It doesn't make him lose pace, or his first touch, or even his ability to pass the ball well. I agree with some others on the site that we have seen the best of Rooney, at least at Manchester United. I hope I am wrong because he has been a great servant to the club, and he would be missed. MAJ

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05 Aug 2013 19:12:11
I guess where just waiting now to hear Rooney has handed a transfer request in. Al be gutterd if we allow 1 of the best players to leave. Regardless what people say if we allow him to leave to Chelsea, we myt aswel hand them the title aswel, he is class, and it will come back to bite us big time! We really do need to sign that midfielder up, I would be happy with baines and Fellani, but there's another twist in the fabregas saga, piqu�, iniesta, masharrano have told us he will stay but we still haven't heard alt from the man himself. this is going to be a make or break week for us.

Marm

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Perhaps Gerrard should have realised Liverpool were on the decline years ago. If what your saying is true, then Rooney who are from the blue side of Liverpool must be more intelligent than Gerrard from the red side. Says it all really
Have a good season ey.
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Liverpool have been in decline since they last won the title, some 23 years ago, long before Gerrard knew how to kick a ball.

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05 Aug 2013 18:59:42
just maybe rooney was right all along, he can see utd on the decline, I mean you got the prem last season only because all the other teams were very poor, so you can see why he wants to move to a better squad of players over at chelsea, and david moyes let's face it, does not look like a barrel of fun to work with.
ps, did I just see someone say below on the page, utd, should bid 50 million for firbegas, o dear, like what are you smoking man, lol.

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Lol u made my day for a good laugh if we r going down hill, losserpool will not finnish in top 6 this season all the money other teams spent and still couldn't typical a crap united side like u say and how many points was pool behind us says it all

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We won the league because all the other teams were poor. So what's your excuse for the dismal performance of the mighty Liverpool. Refresh my memory, where did you finish in the standings?

Flint

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Lfc seems your lot may have accepted 45m for ratty at least you can't decline anymore unless you get kkk back

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United in decline? Pass me some of what YOU`RE smoking` pmsl SAF got us to 20 & just maybe David Moyes will get us to 6 CLs, then I will die a happy man with the Mickeys shot down on ALL fronts.

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Did you tossers not spend 35 mill on donkey face and then sell at a big loss we might not win the league this season without some players added but we also won't be batteling mid table like you lot and youve made your signings a red united fan

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You tell when the season is coming close, the clown from Liverpool starts to post on our site.

Suarez, oh the one who is jumping ship.

A

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We only won because all the other teams were no-where near the level we were.

But they were all rubbish rather us being good. Objective view as ever there dot dot dot dot dot lfc!

Liverpool are title contenders for the next four weeks lfc, you're currently ahead of us in the table!

Not seen you on here much this last year, let's see if you can keep the banter up till November this year. before it becomes far too embarrassing for you to show your face.

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This is from the team that bought Carroll for £35m, jog on Lfc

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This will be your year we know! When the cannibal does leave who do you have? Your club is the club on decline Brendan Rodgers is just trying to slow down the inevitable.

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Much like Suarez leaving for the giddy heights of a team striving to finish 4th each season! Shows how far behind your club are.

The grass may seem greener for Rooney but since his 1st transfer request in 2010 how have United and Chelsea done in the league? He wasn't right back then so he may well be wrong this time too, if he does choose to go.

It's fashionable to right off United's chances (been happening for decades) but 9 times out of 10 it comes back to bite you in the ass.

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Fella your lot aren't our competition, go and bug the other teams chasing 6-7th place, u were over 30 points off top last year and your losing your best player plus gerrards a year older, jog on your embarrisin.

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Probably judging it on the Carroll and Henderson fees and still thinking it looks comparative value.

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Lfc,

Without an ounce of humour you just called your own team 'very poor'. In fact worse than 'very poor' because you finished 7th behind loads of 'very poor' sides. That's the worst banter I've ever seen.

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05 Aug 2013 18:56:50
Just what Fergie was hoping for when he dropped the Rooney transfer request into his last interview. Chelsea have taken the bate and when the bidding gets up to £40million with the transfer deadline aproaching, we then ask for Lukaku, Ramirez or Matta plus £20million and purely due to the arrogance of both Mourino and Abramovic we will get the deal that suits us.
Raffa

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Mata + £20m for Rooney would be deal of the century.

Deal.

Please!

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Annie thanks for your response.

Fabergas would be considered a marquee signing but I don't see this as a contradiction. Typically we get our signings in early and quietly, but this year we have announced that we have an 'open budget' and a desire to sign at least one if not two established midfield players. It not exactly a strong hand in our negotiating position.

Thanks.

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05 Aug 2013 18:37:02
This is the first time I have posted on the site but I am a long time reader. Frustration is high at the moment on here due to lack of activity.

Point one.

Rooney not travelling means he is negotiating a new contract with us or he is on his way. If he renews then great, he is a class act but has a bad advisor.

Point 2.

United have written to Everton to apologise over the approach for Moyes. This has only happened to smooth relations as we are in for Baines and or Big Hair Fellani.

Point 3.

Madrid prepared to pay 15M Euro's after tax for 5 year Ronaldo extension. Its time to let it go, United will not get anywhere near this - covered by TV and newspapers.

Point 4.

Fabergas is looking for a higher standing within the Nou Camp pecking order and a new deal to reflect this. Contrary to the many statements Barca are happy to do a deal, but our 3rd offer needs to be 40M in total including add on's. This will allow Barca to strengthen their backline.

My best guess is the next week will see an announcement that Rooney has a signed a new contract. Fellani signs and Fabergas becomes the next no 7!

United shot themselves in the foot with the talk of marquee signings.

Keep the faith!

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Well doesn`t that contradict the final 3 lines of your rant. Fabregas to become the next No 7 but United shoot themselves in the foot over marquee signings as surely Fabregas would be considered marquee.

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05 Aug 2013 17:40:34
Anybody else find klopps latest comments about kagawa a bit strange.
Jred

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I think it is out of order personally. It looks like Dortmund are going out of their way to unsettle Kagawa. Thankfully, it seems that Kagawa wants to be a success at United.

SLred

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Watzke the director also commented that Kagawa would like to return bvb in the future. I think that there is something more in it.
anonyme

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Sounds more like man love to me, you can tell how highly he rates him

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05 Aug 2013 19:08:59
If I had to choose the XI for Wigan right now:
4-2-3-1
De Gea
Rafael, Rio, Vidic, Evra
Carrick, Anderson
Nani, Kagawa, Welbeck
RVP

Subs: Lindegard, Jones, Smalling, Cleverly, Chicharito, Zaha, Giggs

Not sure on who are the healthiest two CBs at the moment. Seems strange to write this with Rooney not on the list.

Zidaniel

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He was asked a question about Kagawa by a cunning reporter. And typically like Klopp he answered honestly and openly.

I don't think there's anything in it. And actually the director said that there are no current plans to try and sign Kagawa. This was in reply to a question asked by a reporter.

All of this came from Kagawa himself saying that he has fond memories of his time at Dortmund and that he would like to return there later in his career. But he did go on to say he feels like he still has a lot to prove at United and that he sees his immediate future at the club. All of this came from and interview he did in Japan.

Then typically the press get hold of it here and start asking questions then spinning the answers to come up with their own conclusions.

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If Kagawa is interested in a move back to Germany then like Red Man has said, we should try and get Lew or Gundagon. But only if he wants to move back. I doubt Rooney has made him feel very welcome being his rival for the hole. Perhaps when/if Rooney is sold then we may see the best of Kagawa? If Rooney stays then perhaps Kagawa may want to move on? Perhaps there is more going on than what we think?

Anyway goodnight lads, let's hope for some movement tomorrow.

Sydney!

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Zaha over nani for me and I would imagine januzaj will at least make the bench. Other than that it picks itself.

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Id rather see zaha than welbeck, even lingard as its not a majorly important game.
DHk

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05 Aug 2013 17:34:15
Doing my dream team soon for work and I am not sure if I should throw zaha in as he is cheap and nobody would expect me to pick him what you think guys maybe little pea too at four million in the sun?

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05 Aug 2013 17:32:01
Hi fella's with the season just a few weeks away now I think we just need to get a few midfielders in that are better than what we have at the moment if we got say two decent midfield players in who are allowed to play in there natural positions say fellani and cabaye it would improve us a lot as what we have in the middle just isn't good enough we can't play a near 40 year old in the middle in giggs having a few decent midfielders in there all playing there parts would be like a well oiled engine the heart beat of the team they may not be most peoples first choice but think about it with these two starting in the middle how could it not improve our midfield we would have the physical side in fellani to match yaya and a good passer and worker in cabaye like I said a well oiled engine all having there own part in the team cheers

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05 Aug 2013 17:00:24
I say we allow lingard and zaha to play like 20 first team games this season, I mean they can't get worse than out wingers last season MUFCMAD

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05 Aug 2013 16:16:55
Just hearing that Ronaldo is not confirming anything and doesn't know where is his future is and we will see what happens but for now he is grand where he is,

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05 Aug 2013 16:10:37
I don't know who club and david moyes fooling by declaring wayne rooney injuries? I m never in support of him leaving but as things points he wants to leave and I m sad for the fact a battler is leaving. I think I must accept the fact that I will not see him again playing for united. Dark times ahead. No class player want to come and who is there wants to leave.

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Get a grip Rodio.

Sydney!

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"Dark times ahead". have you just been watching Harry Potter?

For goodness sake pull yourself together.

WE ARE CHAMPIONS!!

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U r right syd. its time to get a grip on emmotions.

There has always been a way. there always will be.
Rodio17

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No Wayne rooneys problem is this, he wanted better players around him, we signed Robin Van Persie a better player, and a complete professional, and when Wayne wasn't first choice he didn't get his head down and fight for his place like players like Chicharito or Danny Welbeck he threw the toys out the pram. I'd rather a team off 11 players who want to wear the shirt like Darren Fletcher I'm sure he'd do anything to get back on a pitch and right now I'd have him over Wayne Rooney because his heart would be in it.

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Caolan

Spot on!
wonder what the rooney lovers are going to come up with if he puts another transfer request in after we reject chelseas next bid?

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+1 caolan2

I 100% agree with caolan, if Rooney played as he did when he started with the hunger and determination he would be the first player on the sheet but he seems to have lost both along with his touch, I personally want rooney to stay as I believe we are a better team with him but if he doesn't want to be here then see him later! If he leaves hopefully Moyes can get a replacement before the window closes

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I got to be honest Caolan. I don't agree 100% about Rooney, RVP spot on however. To say Rooney did not fight for his place etc. Really? What really annoys me is peoples Statements Oh Rooney has been poor last few seasons etc. Last Season he scored goals and set up plenty. While playing out of position. I honestly believe we ruined Rooney. What he use to be great at was getting about the field and Tireless work rate. Fergie then got him to work more as a sole striker not track back as much. England push for that too. I think that was the start of the down fall of the Great Rooney. The Boy is a class act, however Last season he was not played where he excesses. Ironic though that the way Rooney use to play would have fitted the mould perfectly. Rooney burnt a lot of bridges in 2010 however has been great for the club since. Has he asked to move. that is hear say. non of us know. However The boy is Class. Works his socks off. Produces Quality. People simply Expect Too Much from him.

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Sorry I agree with Rodio17 it is not looking good at the moment. No new players as yet but hopefully we will get some. But we have needed a midfielder for a long time, I think we can all agree on this but if someone comes in this will not replace Rooney, he is a striker and name another player available to replace him and his goals. I still think he often makes the team tick and even last season when people say he didn't show any effort. I disagree I remember him getting back in defence in games like at White hart lane, when we had a 1-0 lead and it was a bit backs to the wall. His pass for Van persie's 2nd against Villa was fantastic, his goal against Nowich, his 2 against City, the winner against Fulham and Reading (I can go on. ) Selling him to Chelsea is suicide to me. Chelsea look a very strong team anyway but with Rooney, they would be clear favourites. He seems to me a great player but a bit of a spoilt kid and needs someone to put there arm round him, tell him he's at the best club, he is wanted and get on with it. I for one really hope he stays, there I have said it, it's out there.

Does any of the Ed's think someone can replace him and please don't say Kagawa. He is a good player but will not get the goals like Rooney

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I'm not denying the fact Wayne Rooney is a class act, but I look at chicharito would get in most side starting 11 every week, yet he hasn't once been in the press complaining about game time, he's never questioned our ambition he has said repeatedly that he will do what's best for the team! Wayne Rooney was played out of position for one reason it was best for the team! Would he have had the same effect welbeck did against Madrid if he played there? Take kagawa for example hardly played the number 10 role last season but didn't moan about playing on the left because he did it because it was best for the team. Wayne didn't play up front on his own because it was better for the team if Van Persie played there because he is a better player than Wayne in that role.

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The Rooney lovers? We should all be Rooney lovers. He has scored loads of goals for us and won us many league titles. People have short memory. All because fergie came out with a stupid statement.
Are we forgetting that this apparently, useless player, could break bobby Charlton's scoring record? Yes, he's that good.
As for attitude on the pitch, would you like to tell us what match did Rooney get on the field wearing our shirt and not try his heart out? When substituted, he will kick out, that shows passion.
Go on, let's sell him to Chelsea, that's really clever, will see what happens come December. But all the people asking for his head for no reason at all, and without knowing the facts, better be ready to be depressed by xmas.
Sometimes, us united fans are spoiled and don't know when we're on a good thing. We're always told to support the team and the players, so why are we trying so hard to get rid of one of our best players? The club have treated him badly and fergie thought he'll get one over him right at the end. Well, it has backfired on us and the joke is on us.
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Hernandez only scored two goals less than rooney in the EPL last season from far fewer minutes on the pitch so perhaps his goals won't be too hard to replace? just a thought

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SAFS stupid statement that was effectively backed up by rene stating rooney had his own agenda?
short memories et so many of you seem to forget the questioning of the club and its greatest ever managers ambition?
treated him badly despite paying him over £200k a wk?
how can we question his attitude when he turns up for preseason 2 stone overweight and statistically covers less distance on the pitch last season than he ever has?
And all this is the fault of SAF and the club?
And if a manwho has shown the contempt for this club and its fans like he has in the past breaks sir bobbys record then it will be a disgrace! What will you say when he hands another transfer request in because we won't increase his wages? whos fault will that be? I for one don't care how good he was or is he has the potential to disrupt the squad and his silence on the whole situation speaks volumes IMO - he doesn't want to be here! Unless he gets that nice pay rise again that is

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Nomidfield

Long ago I said it would be a major decision to sell Rooney. There is a lot of hate because of his previous transfer request and that he was not at his best for whatever reason last season. There is a chorus of hate to get rid of him without considering the consequences. Sell him to Chelsea and when he is a champion again next summer they will be the first on here to moan.

Frankly where once I was concerned at Rooneys form I am now even more concerned at the thought process of those who want to force him out. I do wonder whether there is an agenda in the press to cause unrest and unsettle both our club and Rooney and this is all part of that, our own supporters falling for the stories in the press. Many criticised Arsenal for selling RVP to us, imagine us selling Rooney to Chelsea with what they already have.
I believe the club need to look at his attitude and fitness and if satisfactory do everything to keep him. If he is adamant then we should not sell him in England or to Chelsea under any circumstances.

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Nomidfield. No offence mate, but that last post was the biggest load of myopic drivel.

Everything is everyone else's fault, not Wayne's. He's just a little, lost sheep, isn't he? A total wide-eyed innocent, caught up in the middle of some nasty Utd shenanigans.

It wasn't just because of what Fergie said, or have you conveniently forgotten how he behaved in 2010?

Wayne tried it on in 2010, and used our club to get what he wanted when he knew we were in a weak position. It's now come back to bite him. Tough, but that's the game he played.

Also, I know you saw the games last season, as I was regularly entertained by your half-time rants about how rubbish certain other players in our team were, but did you actually 'watch' them? Wayne is not the player of a couple of seasons ago - his first touch last season was worse than Wellbeck's!

And kicking out when substituted, does not show passion IMO, it shows a self-indulgent lack of class and lack of respect for the manager.

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05 Aug 2013 16:06:10
Even with no additions we will still be at the top of the league good young squad improving all the time. I would sell rooney to chelsea but I would say to them we want de bruyne or mata straight swap with mata and plus cash for kevin. That would strengthen our midfield I think 3 strikers in rvp chicharito and welbeck with one of the youngsters because I don't see us playing 2 up front next seasson it will be rvp with kagawa behind. I don't think city have improved there team much at all apart from navas he will give them a lot more width. Chelsea looking at who they have brought in they will probably have the same first 11 and they are so bad at the back both of them don't rate there back 4s at all. We need a left back a midfielder maybe 2 and left sided player I think everyone should stop sounding pathetic I mean its like you think we're going to get relegated or something. I think with moyes we will do well a lot of fresh ideas new tactics plus impressing the manager I mean anyone has a chance of first team if they do well In front of moyes so it we add a new impetus to the squad and new faces will be added and zaha will be class I think we can be such a bigger threat on the counter with him and if we got some for out of nani aswell but I won't put my house on nani. But the negativity on the site is ridiculous we after big names its harder to sign them if moyes went out and bought fellaini and strootman I think you would all be complaining saying are they good enough will they be good on the ball and slating moyes. Personally I wold like fellaini he could be are yaya I also think he's better than yaya but everybody will say no way but yaya wasnt that good last season and fellaini did very well playing out of position a lot of people don't give fellaini credit on here think he just elbows people which he does now and again but he is very good with the ball at his feet. To sum up I think some players will be signed and we will perform well next year and lots of fans on this site seem to only care about signings and are sounding desperate for something to happen I still believe we have the better squad maybe not in all areas but overall and it will be improved.
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Why would Chelsea let Mata go.
They are trying to build a team what's the point of signing one good player and letting another go?
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It's a real pity Rooney hasn't got Mata's attitude. Mata is a real professional.

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Yean. Rooney goes on the pitch and never tries, he never chases anyone, walks around the pitch (like Berbatov), basically, he's just a lazy so and so!?
Since when has Rooney's attitude been in question?

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Im not saying they would let mata go but its worth testing the waters because they have lots of good midfielders they might be willing to let one go and the deal would be beneficial for both of clubs. I would really like de bruyne in a deal I think mata would be a long shot I think de bruyne is a very good player and would settle well with the young belgians also at the club.
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05 Aug 2013 15:39:54
I have said it once and I have said it again, Wayne Rooney will never wear Manchester United red again. The Chelsea bids have been immediately rejected as the club do not want to let him leave before making a signing. Our silence and Fabregas silence on the issue speaks volumes, also Barca are saying a lot about it which to be honest, shows me that they want us to make another more acceptable bid. It is well documented that they need another centre back and have to raise funds to do so. Fabregas will come in by this time next week, Rooney will then leave for Chelsea before the Swansea match. (These are my predictions anyway).

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I would have to agree, on both accounts: Rooney will only be sold when we have brought a big name into the club.

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So what happens if there is no big name coming in then and Rooney then hands in a transfer request and is sold.
Don't give me crap about Kagawa being able to play there, Kagawa is very talented but isn't in the same league as Rooney.
Rooney guarantees you 20+ goals a season and counless assists.

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Fresh, I would have thought they were rejected, mainly because the offers are a disrespectful insult.

As much as I have no love for the guy, when we start comparing transfer fees for other players, then 20-25 million to a rival, is an utter joke.

We need to start playing hardball with other teams. For all Levy annoys me during transfer dealings, he's spot on with wanting the best deal for the club.

If we sell Rooney to an English rival, there has to be a premium. If they won't pay it and he doesn't like it, let's see how he fancies being a regular sub, or playing in the reserves in a World Cup year.

Mind you, England are so bereft of decent players, he'd probably still get picked :)

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I would imagine Rooney will be forced to stay if the club don't bring in a big name. At at the end of the day, the club is a commercial giant; and if the club are to continue their commercial growth, they need big names in the team. That is the reality of modern football, unfortunately. Loosing Rooney without replacing him with a big name would also probably affect the share prices. So based on those assumptions alone, I can only see Rooney being sold - under the condition that the club bring in a significant signing to replace him. I could be wrong of course. The club could sell him and start the season with Giggs and Carrick in CM. ;0)

I suppose we must have faith in those in-charge; and hope they have a strategy in place.

SLred

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Agree with simmo and steviek. As much as we don't like his personality, he is a fantastic player.
To sell him to Chelsea for £30m is an absolute joke. If Suarez if being quoted at £55m!
As good as kagawa is, he is no Rooney.
If Chelsea want him so much then we should be asking them for substantially more, or better still, asking them for one of their top players in return. Mata? And then let's see how they like it.
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I will be honest I could not care less if he stays or goes all my patience with Wayne Rooney has gone i'm fed up of the whole saga, but the fact that the footballing equivalent of the Jeremy Kyle show Chelsea are offering such derisory figures baffles me?. People were quoteing £25 mil for Benteke for gods sake!I think its the same as the Cesc deal if we pay what they want we will get him, if Chelsea pay what we want they can have him.

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05 Aug 2013 15:34:12
Look just because he's not foreign sounding doesn't mean that David Moyes is a bad Manager, do you really think ROBERTO MARTINEZ would have got a job taking his team down to the Championship if he'd been called BOB MARTIN?
He's done his apprenticeship with no money and done a good job. He seems a tough but decent coach and am sure he will do well.
We have not become a bad team yet and hopefully we will get a couple of players in but there is no need to just throw silly money around - although I would go in with one last huge bid of £50 for Fabregas in the hope that this will make the move otherwise I'm not too bothered still think we have best 25 who will all play but maybe not best 15.
Keep the faith.

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05 Aug 2013 15:21:48
The squad for Sweden have just gone past me in t1 of the airport, got a few pics :)

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05 Aug 2013 15:08:25
What is with the squad for the Sweden match? No Januzaj, Lingard, De Gea, Chicha etc. But Bebe is there. Weird

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With the testimonal and community shield coming up he might want to rest a few youngsters because they played more minutes than most in pre season don't want to burn them out before the season starts. Plus bebe and the rest that didn't go on tour he hasn't had much chance to look at I haven't seen the squad can anyone tell me if cole is going or Lawrence.
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Travelling squad: Lindegaard, Amos; Rafael, Evans, Evra, Jones, Smalling, Vidic; Anderson, Bebe, Carrick, Giggs, Nani, Zaha; Henriquez, Kagawa, van Persie, Welbeck.

That's the full squad Browred.

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Cheers elvis. Looks like cole and Lawrence and vermijl aren't going to get a chance to show what they can do shame as I thought they performed well in the reserves

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05 Aug 2013 14:58:29
never read as many negative posts on here since moyes took over, all armchair fans always wanting a few big name signings, judge moyes at end of season if you don't like it go and buy a barca or Bayern top.

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I am definitely no armchair fan and I am not bothered if what he brings in is not deemed to be 'world class', I just don't see the point in wasting time on targets that are not likely to leave their current club. Look at Klopp at Dortmund, he has strengthened his squad, but not with 'stellar signings', just quality players that he will develop. The point is that the reason we are weak in midfield is that we don't have the number of CM's good enough to rotate through the season, 1 or 2 injuries and we are in the proverbial.

IMO we need to learn the lessons of recent seasons where we struggled to field a team containing any CB's, we addressed the problem, the CM is in the same boat.

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Absolutely correct EdtheRed. Klopp can sure pick the talent early.
Future united manager I hope.

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05 Aug 2013 14:55:35
Ronaldo said: " I'm not going to
confirm anything - I' m just going to
do my job like I always do.

"My future - I don' t know. At this
moment I 'm a player of Madrid, the
future, I really don 't know.

"Let' s see what's going to happen - but
for the moment, I 'm good where I
am. "

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05 Aug 2013 14:51:16
What are we up to in the transfer market? I am becoming obsessed with scouring websites, anything just to feed my addiction for news. I wake up in the middle of the night and grab for the phone just to make sure I haven't missed anything, it is taking over my life help me please!

On a more serious note, I seem to be in agreement with most that we are desperate for something in the middle of the park, when I look at our rivals both domestic and European, they are brimming with talent, spoilt for choice. Not only have we not added to our central midfield for years ( I am excluding Powell) we have lost Scholes twice and Fletch should change his surname to Anderton.

The Germans, Spanish & even the Belgiques are producing quality midfielders for fun, their average players would get into our midfield at present. We could have also had Strootman & Wanyama for less than £30m at very least we would have strengthened the squad, but no we are busy going after unobtainable players, then just to top it all off, we are in danger of losing one of our best players to a rival.

Is this really what life after SAF is like? UTID, but at this rate this could be sooner than I had expected, medic please!

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Sorry, wasn't logged in when I posted this!

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05 Aug 2013 15:10:19
Is there anyone else out there who thinks the club have made a bit of a pigs ear of the pre-season so far? Considering we have a new managerial regime in charge, I would have thought the club would have gone out of their way to make it a smooth transition. Failure to capture a major Midfield addition and the ongoing debacle with Rooney, is going to have a detrimental effect on the team as a whole. And considering we have probably the toughest start to a premier league campaign in recent history, the club don't seem like they are in the best of shape to cope with the massive task ahead.

I hope I am wrong. I hope we smash our transfer record and sign Cesc. That would be great, and would improve our team massively IMO. Yet, I have this nagging doubt that we will start the season, with the same faces who finished last season, which is bad thing; but at the same time, it doesn't address the problems we have.

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I meant to say, "isn't a bad thing" if we start the season with the same faces.

SLred

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05 Aug 2013 14:31:08
So Rooney is going to miss the next friendly due to a shoulder injury that is supposedly not too serious. The timing of this is a bit suspect is it not?

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Those who are tasked to come up with excuses, seem to have run out of ideas. Why can't they just come out and say that the player doesn't want to play tomorrow, because we (man utd) won't let him join his mates, Fat Frank and Let-me-av-a-go-at-your-misses Terry, at Chelsea.

I wonder if Moyes is thinking about Everton lol.

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If he's said he wants a transfer hopefully one of the other squad members pulled said shoulder out of said socket!

Had enuf now_ Bale go to Madrid, Rooney go wherever, Suarez get therapy and cesc and Ronnie go to the bank with your contracts and season please start!

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05 Aug 2013 14:06:18
Looks like we will sign Bobby Guff (a young player plying his trade in the French Leagues) - fee a couple of baguettes and this has been approved by the Glazers

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05 Aug 2013 14:04:29
must admit the whole SAF retirement was handled badly, Pep was there for the taking had this been sorted well in advance. He would have been perfect, works with all levels at the club too. I am sur we wuold probably have a few spainish players signed by now.

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Pep had the choice of City, Chelsea, BM & us and he chose BM. You must get over it.

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Pep had no chance of joining us given that he'd already agreed a deal with Bayern BEFORE SAF had decided to retire.

I agree that if he knew that he was drawing towards the end of his time as our manager (he must have had an inkling before making the decision) he could perhaps of timed it a little better with a view to us signing a better manager - but I get the impression that Moyes was his call and in his eyes the best manager for the club.

Whether or not Pep being available still would have made a difference; we'll never know. I still expect Pep to take over from Moyes in a few years.

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Don't think we offered him the job Sydney, where did you hear we had?

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United never approached pep so where you getting that information from Syd

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Perhaps you should have read what the editor wrote when he was around.

Sydney!

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Didn't pep and Ferguson meet in new york?

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There were no formal meetings, but fractions of the MU hierarchy wanted Pep Guardiola to replace SAF this summer. MU were disappointed when he chose to manage BM.

Sydney!

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05 Aug 2013 13:37:55
In June when city, monaco, bayern, dortmund were lining up their transfer business, we did nothing as we were told Moyes is not manager yet. Then July 1st came and we were told that is when all the transfers will start, apart from Woodward, who was telling us no major retooling required. Then three weeks into July, Moyes tells us he's only been in the job for three weeks. Then they go on far east tour and Woodward rushes home to conduct urgent business (presume that was not to choose the wallpaper for his new office). Then we are told wait till Moyes gets back from the tour. Now we are being told there are still 25 days to the window closing.
All we can see is no one wanting to come her, for one reason or another. One of our best players is being hounded out of the club, and is told he's a "back up" striker, and is likely to join our biggest rival.
This whole 5 weeks has been farcical to be honest. Who are we going to go for next? Messi and Iniesta?

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No Name, it`s people like you who have fans from the teams laughing at us. There WILL be signings BEFORE the deadline and you can put your house on it that one of the signings WILL be marquee. We are STILL the biggest club in the world mate DON`T ever forget that!

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Be patient.

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We're turning into Liverpool :' (

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Rooney is not playing in the game tomorrow. Apparently, he injured his shoulder LOL

This is all getting ridiculous now. This won't help the team either.

Moyes is way out of his depth!

Slred

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Think you will find that real Madrid are the biggest.

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On the rumours page there is a post stating that woodward came back to begin a very complicated transfer deal with real for ronaldo, with the hope of using him to become the commercial face of the utd 'brand' which could lead us to becoming debt free, if this is the case (as I believe) then I would not mind having to wait a few more weeks of nervousness.

however, real won't sell till they have a replacement (bale) and we won't sell rooney till we have one (ronaldo).

i had read that the bale deal is being held up because levy wants a substantial fee upfront (and maybe a player) but real are only offering instalments,
we will be paying real in instalments/ shares options (very complicated) which would manage to allow real to recoup the 80m they spent, allow us to stay within ffp rules, make ronaldo the richest/ most valuable player ever and most importantly clearing the debt by increasing commercial revenue

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Bloody hell! get a grip people. have you heard yourselves?

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05 Aug 2013 13:19:09
Afternoon lads

Ronaldos comments in a press conference certainly cast further doubt over his future, can anyone explain why we just don't try our luck and place a big bid in?

Second Chelsea have come in with a second bid anyone saying sell him is an person this guy has plenty to offer and we can't sell without a replacement in place.

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Agree with you but we don't need a replacement, just don't sell him, simple as.
BIGAL REDFOREVER

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WHY? Ronaldo is ONLY after the big pay rise. We would NOT pay the wage he is after. There will be signings and one of them WILL be marquee. What you are hearing from the media is just a smokescreen, there IS talks going on at the mo, and all will become clear VERY shortly.

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How do you know we aren't already at the negotiating table with Ronnie? Reports suggest that we are.

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Yeah, Woodwards world wide tour of expensive brothels wasn't entirely a wastes of Fans' money. Whilst in Thailand, he signed a 60 year old lady-boy. It is thought that such a marque signing will be enough to persuade Rooney to stay.

:O)

Slred

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05 Aug 2013 12:50:14
What is this 8 August business have I missed something. andog

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No conf today, but all will be revealed VERY shortly. Well done David Moyes & Mr. Woodward you kept it indoors that's what we like.

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05 Aug 2013 12:50:09
Anyone know if there is to be a press conference today, and if so what time is it please?

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I think it is quite obvious now, that Rooney wants out. I think when the appointment was made, and doubts he might have had, went out of the window.
The club have probably tried to flog him abroad, but haven't had many takers. Now, only Chelsea seem keen to take him.
If the club had any sense, they would contact Arsenal, and try and flog him to them. Rather them than Chelsea. Chelsea are already going to be hard work, let-alone having a fit and ready Rooney in their starting line-up.

I am all for patients etc, but I think the club are taking the piss a bit to be honest. They have done little to assuage the fans unease. If anything, there seems to clear direction.

SLred

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05 Aug 2013 12:07:30
Can't believe people on hear want Rooney gone, he is class, and has bean messed about by the sound of it,, a mean who would we replace him with? I no there's kagawa but if you take him away from LM then there's another problem. I understand all the fans that are getting worried but we have to keep faith with united. I believe there's another twist in the fabregas saga. Ronaldo will never happen, think we need Fellani before we lose out again

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Agree people should be careful what they wish for letting rooney go without a replacement would be a disaster if RVP was to be injured we would be in trouble, and don't think welbeck or hernandez could fill the position

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Some times you don't appreciate what you have untill it's gone
Jred

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I don't want to speak for everybody on here but I don't think it's that they 'want Rooney gone' its more that we don't want to keep a player who doesn't play for us and who will be in his last year of his contract next year.

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Damn right, anyone wanting rooney to go is welcome to tell us where we can buy another striker who will score 20+ goals and 15+ assists a season and only spend £25m to get him?
Any ideas?
Nomidfield

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Completely agree. Rooney is class when fit and played in the correct position, just in behind RVP.
Don't give me this Kagawa crap as well. Kagawa is a good player but is not even in the same league as Rooney is.
Look at the stats last season (which apparantly was his worst for the club)
Played out of position, injured but still finished second top scorer at the club and had more assists than any other player last season.
I would seriously worry if Rooney was sold.

Simmo

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Thanks Jred.

He's a great player and I didn't see Moyes come out and say he was misread or something.
I have no doubt that if he goes to Chelsea he'll be huge (and me particularly will which him the best).

I just hope he can shut the mouth of the so called moralists.

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Simmo

United fans like to act the "moral" itself. They're always right and s***t.

We are struggling to get our targets and want to get rid of a player that was playing out of position most of the games, scored and assisted more than half of the team is beyond me.

The crap he don't want to play for us is too OLD. He won't get better player than him less than 30 mil.

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Just heard that rooney has not travelled, but has booked another game of golf, yes at that course just 10 mins from Chelsea ground, think that sends out a big message.

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Nick, it's got nothing to do with morals.

Yes, it would be nice if our idols didn't go round nailing aul prossies, or their sisters-in-law, but that's not the reason for the antipathy towards Wayne.

The reason is all too clear and been repeated on here ad finitum.

No player is bigger than our club, no matter how good they think they are.

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05 Aug 2013 11:39:51
ronaldo will play in rio ferdinands testimonial on the 9th august, but will not be signing for man united.

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05 Aug 2013 11:00:15
So the much anticipated 8th August that seems to have bounced around for a while is nearly upon us. I for one think it was drummed up for ticket sales at Rios testimonial. As much as I get excited at the thought I think Ronaldos return is becoming less and less likely. Farbregas I think was never going to happen. Barca were open to the idea but he never wanted to leave and that's fair enough. If any of us worked out socks off eventually made it to play for united why would we leave and go elsewhere?

All of our "nailed on" targets are gone.

Strootman, tiago, baines is seeimingly less likely, fabregas isn't going to happen (even though I do hope) and Ronaldo although i'd piggy back him home doesn't seem likely.

Thoughts?

J Red 7

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What do you have to suggest fabregas doesn't want to come to us mate, has something happened I've missed?

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Appears that Moyes didn't fancy Strootman and maybe even Thiago if as Thiago said United never spoke to him

At least that shows Moyes is his own man but nevertheless if we fail in the transfer market Moyes will get the blame no matter who's fault it is

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My thoughts are that we decided to go public (at least a little more public than we normally are) with our transfer targets due to wanting it to appear as if Moyes was going to be very active in pursuing the big names. Now whether it's a case that our negotiations team isn't doing a good enough job, players don't want to join the season after SAF left, we're too tight with our money or whatever. the names haven't come.

So what started out as (I believe) a way to keep the fans happy, in showing that we are going after big names. it has backfired and now, well its pretty obvious a lot of fans aren't happy.

I think if we were to make one big signing, it could go a long way in appeasing the fans. But what big names are now available? Bale. most likely on his way to Spurs. Ronaldo. I do believe it depends on what happens with Bale, but still hugely unlikely. Reus. Dortmund won't sell. Gungodan. same reason as Reus. Vidal. same as Reus and Gundogan. Marchisio. this is a hard one, as you can never tell with players who have been at the one club all their lives, they can become disenchanted just as easily as those there for two seasons. Ozil/Di Maria. possible in my books, i've always thought I could picture Ozil in a red shirt especially.

My thoughts are that if we could get Ozil/Di Maria and Cabaye, we would be instantly improved. our young players will improve us gradually over the next few seasons, but we need some established talent to work with our big names (RVP, Rooney, Carrick, Vidic, Evra). Personally I don't think we need an LB, definitely not this season anyway. An established central midfielder and a creative player, and perhaps a younger CM and I would be happy. Ozil, Cabaye and Kondogbia are my picks!

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Ronaldo will play in the testomonial but won't be signing for united.

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If it is true we didn't got for Thiago as the player mentioned. Why not?
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The rumour why Moyes didn't fancy Thiago was he had doubts over his ability to deal withPL rough and tumble

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05 Aug 2013 10:37:59
Rumor has it that many of us are now just as interested in having Ronaldo come back to united as we are in seeing if cuscochris's insanely detailed information/theory/lie is true. Or is it just me? -KG

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It's the one of the best concoctions I've seen. Probably BS like so many of the rumours on this site, but just fantastical enough to perhaps be true.

I still think Ronaldo's aiming for an improved contract though.

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05 Aug 2013 10:35:58
So Chelsea have no officially made an improved bid of 30 million for Rooney.

I know many of you will jump down my throat but I'm happy this has been rejected, Wayne still has a lot to offer and selling him with no replacement would be a massive mistake as it would leave a major problem in the team.

The only way I would entertain Chelsea is if mata was part of a deal which won't be happening.

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Honestly if Rooney left who could we get as a replacement? Hardly anyone decent enough that would be available.
I hope he stays.

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05 Aug 2013 13:27:24
I want him sold but that offer is a joke way too low. Thirty plus player yes.

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Lets hope so too, cause we are not buying anyone to replace him for £25m
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Nomidfield, or £35m?

Sydney!

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05 Aug 2013 10:10:39
Just been to a Chelski fan page, the only thing going on there is Rooney this, that. Man if they don't get him someone is going to commit suicide. ION, I read the Ronaldo reply to comments by Mourinho last week about him not being the 'real' Ronaldo. Kind of reminded me of Fergie talking about 'our Ronaldo, not the fat one'. I am hoping hoping CR7 decides to move back to us just to kick Mou's backside
Plus I hope we complete a transfer soon, most of you here are level headed but the majority of fans are getting anxious and could well turn against Moyes if nothing happens soon, because we all feel that we are being left behind

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Sounds familiar, ronaldo this ronaldo that think before you speak

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Just went on the Chelsea page there & there seems to be nothing really about Ronney at all? Just talk about them beating Milan last night & wanting a new DM.

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05 Aug 2013 10:04:12
My take on all the transfer inactivity at MUFC.
I think that the closer to the end of the window that we get with no signings, we will then sign Fellaini and that will be met with a "phew" and relief from fans. So at least we signed someone. Fellaini is better than no additions right? Which is how its looking now.
People will say, "you don't know what's happening behind the scenes" but realistically, what options are there. Fabregas is not for sale, Modric won't leave Real, Ronaldo is after to much money, Bale will go to Real Madrid.
So basically we need world class re-inforcements but our options are dwindling fast.

I also think, this could have been the plan from the off for Moyes and Co. Be seen to be trying for the worlds best players, knowing we have NO CHANCE of signing them.

im not a City or Liverpool fan, but a mufc fan of many years. Just looking at things in a different light.

Cheers

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Ive thought the same sambo you are on the money

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Agreed with this post.

DM is famous for working on a tight budget that's why we got him FACT
If we had of got Pep or Mour. We would have great players and had to spend money but the board knew we had a tight budget so Moyes it was that was picked.

Unless there are some Stellar marquee signings it won't change. We are the candy shop that boast a fantastic window but not much to offer inside.

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You moan about us not signing players then admit there aren't many options.
you claim we are purposely going after players we have no chance of getting just so fans are happy when we sign fellaini?
are you being serious?
What is moyes expected to do? people like you moan about us being man united and that we should be buying the best players but then claim some kind of conspiracy when other clubs don't want to sell us their best players! I understand why a few people are getting anxious but like you said there aren't many options or perhaps you'd rather just spend £millions on players who aren't going to improve us? you'd moan about that too. Moyes knows what's needed but like iv said before signing the best players is a lot more complex than buying a loaf of bread! and as for al

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You are absolutely right. Every day passes by with no signings, makes Fellaini move looks acceptable.
I am not against Fellaini, I think he will do a job, but do we seriously think our team will compete in midfiled against the likes of City, Chelsea and Bayern, Real and Barca.
Anyone thinks so, are deluded.
Before I get the we are champions bit, last year, chelsea and city had in house fighting etc. This is not the case anymore. We will not compete this year unless we can sign some top midfielders.

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STOP! All this pessimism. We ARE repeat ARE about to announce our signings very shortly. A lot of things HAVE been going on behind the scenes Mr Woodward has been busy ensuring we get the players David Moyes has pinpointed. All will be revealed VERY soon. Very Very reliable source who would be dismissed should he name names, but he knows of at least TWO!

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05 Aug 2013 09:50:05
Eds, even if Rooney puts a transfer request in, I can't see united letting him go. What's do you think will happen? Personally if he wants out I think we should let him go. It's going to be a important season for us and we can't afford passengers. We could invest that money on a striker who wants to play for us.

Red rick {Ed004's Note - Depends on if we can sign a replacement imo}

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Well suggest someone to replace rooney and best of luck

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05 Aug 2013 09:34:14
Ronaldo's comments in his latest interview are very strange:

- "I have my opinion about Bale, but I will not go public with it".

- "I still haven't signed a new deal, " Ronaldo continued. "The situation is yet to be resolved. It's not the right moment to discuss this. I might have some concrete news later on. "

- "I cannot confirm that I will retire at Madrid. I don't know what my future looks like. I'm a Madrid player for now and happy here. "

Very interesting comments I see.

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He is holding out for £17.4m net mate. He will sign a new deal with RM.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Sydney on one of your previous comments I have made no reference about Ed 2 informing me about Ronaldo signing a new deal}

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The Bale comment interests me. Almost a derogatory comment.

Why not come out with the usuall. 'he would improve us greatly'.

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Ed004, It must have been another Ed then mate. I assumed it was you, but obviously it wasn't.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - I think it was ed 29}

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Cos he knows bales a wannabe

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05 Aug 2013 09:20:32
Have a look at the Ronaldo press conference video on sly sports. That's the surest sign we have seen of a player who isn't decided.

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Finally somebody that talks some sense, I thought everybody had gone mad. We have got a few interesting weeks ahead I for one can't wait! Oh and by the way last season we signed Van Persie on the 15th of August and we all know how last season turned out have some faith people

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Interesting that Ronaldo said nothing about being happy in Madrid although that was only a tiny bit of the press conference

Also he had a face like a smacked arse

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05 Aug 2013 09:13:52
Im not having a go at anyone in particular here but some posts claiming our transfer activity is embarrasing need to stop panicking and get a grip really.
Yes it would be nice to have a couple of signings in the bag but we havent. some say citeh and chelsea have done their business early and we've been left behind need to look at it again. IMO city have strengthened their squad yes but the players they've bought are not really going to suddenly turn them into worldbeaters are they? they've signed a winger because they didn't really have one, 2 strikers to replace tevez and a 28 yr old poor mans toure, nothing much really apart from squad depth. Chelsea have a great squad already so their signings would find it hard to improve on mata, hazard and oscar so again there is no real difference except numbers in the squad.
People saying were united we expect the best need to realise its not football manager and the best is rarely available. Do people really believe moyes doesn't know what he needs? he's a new manager who is assessing his squad instead of signing players just for the sake of it. he's been slated by some on here for the way he publicly chased fabregas and they believe we now look silly for not signing him but these same people were saying we should be more aggresive with transfers like madrid are only a few weeks ago!
If people like us can see what we need i'm sure moyes can but like I said this isn't football manager! And as for the people who think we shouldn't be giving youth a chance because were man united and should sign all the best players just think back 20 years to messrs beckham, scholes, giggs, butt and the nevilles, they didn't turn out bad did they?

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05 Aug 2013 10:31:49
Hooray, its not just me.

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No mate but were definately in a minority!
I worry about the sanity of some people tbh but if you forget about who everyone is signing and look at what moyes has done by giving himself time to assess the squad ( including the youngsters ) then IMO he's doing things right.
If he'd signed 2 or 3 players that aren't much better than what we've got he'd be accused of signing average players and ignoring the youth. The guy can't win either way and he's only been manager a few wks uts ridiculous

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Chelsea played 69 competitive games last season.

For any club wanting to be successful then expect to play 60+ games.

It's not about having 'squad' players any more, the quality needs to be there throughout. Chelsea have 6 players to choose from in the attacking midfield, it gives them considerable options.

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05 Aug 2013 09:09:56
After reading the Spanish Press - We are now losing Ronnie for good. Extra 5 years At Real Madrid.

Alcantara gone too

Cesc staying at Barcelona

To cap it all, we hear Rooney will hand in a formal transfer request today.

Bale still on track to go to Real with Nani poised (bags backed) to go to WHL.

So, with all our money, clout, kudos, history and NAME, can't seem to buy the players we need.

So, I suspect plans E&F are now going to be looked at. Baines & Fellaini and promoting some of the kids.
Only my view, but if SAF & DG were still in charge could their charisma have swayed a deal or two, or am I not giving DM & EW the respect they deserve?

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I'm giving them til the end of this week before I start really worrying, as well likely have answers on Rooney, cesc, and Ronaldo by then. And I'm pessimistic about any of those three playing for united next season, which is the opposite of what we need. Maybe by Friday ill have my dream team of carrick/cesc/Rooney/kagawa/Ronaldo/rvp. Probably not but ill hold out hope for a few more days. But moyes needs to figure it out bc there are few (no) real alternatives to either Ronaldo or cesc that are available. -KG

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05 Aug 2013 10:38:16
You mean buy the players YOU want.

Whistler.

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05 Aug 2013 08:48:11
United have turned down a second bid from Chelsea for Rooney
Jred

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Just under £30m apparently.

Sydney!

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05 Aug 2013 11:25:26
I think we should tell Chelski to go take a long walk off a short pier!

Firstly £20 mil then £25Mil

Stop wasting our time and yours.

Either is ain't for sale or will take a mimium £40 mil bid to even make us think about it.

It's a Joke that they will offer such a low value yet claim to be very interested.

For Wayne it should show how little they actually value him to even think that we would consider such pi=s poor offers for him.

Yes he may have had an off season compared to previous season but he's not being used as an out an out stirker he's being used as a utilitarian man covering our poor midfield options and still did a decent job.

A fit rooney (which he is at present is worth more than £50 mil.

I wish Chelski would either put up or shut up.

Same goes for us and and the FABGATE issue. Just go in with what you are actually willing to pay and make it straight to Barca and Fab - We Want fab and are willing to offer this much total.

If it's a big enough bid then you get your man.
we have clearly tried to save a little money and it didn't work now stop messing around an put your cards on the table.

RE chelski do not even bother turning up as you have started well too low. £30 mil test then up from there maybe shows a little respect but £20mil is total disrespect to both us an rooney.

Hate him or Love him (i'm a lover of him) Rooney is a top quality player but like most just a little needy.

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Rooney has a maximum value in my view and that is somewhere around £30m.

I don't think he is worth more because:

1. he only has 2 years left on his contract
2. he wants to move to Chelsea
3. he will be submitting a transfer request.

All of these points reduce his value

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None of those three points reduce his value. You could argue that point 3 will gain MU an extra £1.5m-£2m.

Sydney!

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Having 2 years left doesn't change anything - 1 year maybe.

he wants to move? Evidence?

transfer request? Do you know something the everyone else doesn't? How do you know he'll put in the request? again evidence?

So far he's said nothing - It's all press and we've pretty much told Chelski to jog on and that he ain't for sale.

If you they want him and rate him so highly then £30Mil is below the bar.

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05 Aug 2013 08:42:48
Apparently according to marca ronaldo has signed a new 5 year contract increasing his salary to £14.8 million a year after tax : (

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05 Aug 2013 08:22:11
Morning. Let's say the rumours are true and Fabregas is Ronaldo are staying at their respective clubs. Who do you think we will, realistically, buy this summer?
I don't think Dortmund will sell reus or gundogan, and of course bayern will not sell schwini. So that takes them out of the equation.
Nomidfield

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Potentially Baines or Fellaini, some other fairly inexpensive premier league proven player, maybe some unheard of signing from left field that could turn out to be a major coup or another let down. Regardless I'm sure Moyes will bring in a couple names before the window's up.

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Modric, Baines, Kondogbia/Fellaini will be my bet. I would be happy with the first two, don't know what to make of Fellaini but he will certainly add some steel into the side.

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05 Aug 2013 08:37:23
Marca, Real Madrid's mouthpiece, has come out with a story about Ronaldo signing an extension. I doubt they would run this story without Real's permission, but then Ronaldo denied it was true. THis could just be the end of a tough negotiation between Real and CR's agent, but it is also what Madrid would likely do if they're going to sell him, this way they get to claim that they offered to make him the richest paid player in spain and he refused, placating the fans a little. Or i'm just clutching at straws and wincing at the thought of a summer with no big signings and the face of our team in Rooney going and helping Jose win a title.

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They say the contract is 15 mill a year after tax
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Marca is linked to real Madrid and you can follow the English version on line. If you go back through stories you will see they announced some weeks ago De Gea was going to Barca and Rooney to PSG so I wouldn't really rely on them for unbiased sport reporting. They are the mouth piece of Real and are obviously trying to encourage Ronaldo to sign new contract.

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Hes come and and said its bs
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05 Aug 2013 09:39:49
Ronaldo will sign an extension. Ed02 made that clear via Ed004 yesterday.

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Ronny is holding out for £17.4m after tax and I think he will get it.

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I'm not denying that he will. But I'd like to see it somewhere other than marca or quoting marca. -KG

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05 Aug 2013 08:23:00
madrid mouth piece Marca reporting Ronaldo has signed new 5 year contract.

if true that puts an end to that dream.

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05 Aug 2013 08:20:26
Hi folks I see one poster remarking how the scousers and chelski fans are having a laugh about our transfer activity. Other posters saying ah well we only go for top targets or let's give the youth a chance. No we are man united we expect and as a ticket holder we deserve the best. at the moment our transfer activity is now becoming an embarrassment. We should not disclose who we are after until the deal is done and talking about it in public gives does persons on the other pages all the ammo they need. We could learn a thing or two about nailing transfers down from one or two other clubs too. I hope I'm wrong but moyes and Woodward look out of their depth. Thoughts?

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Your post contradicts itself in so many ways, if we are keeping our transfer business quiet (which we clearly are despite a few comments on cesc) then how would you know who we are looking to sign?

You are complaining we aren't signing anyone but then say you don't want the club to announce who we are after. Don't you think the club knows the fans are worrying so let us know a bit of I formation about cesc? We are clearly looking to sign top players which is never going to be easy.

Finally, if you allowing Liverpool fans to wind you up I think you need to take some banter lessons.

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It's impossible to keep transfers quiet. The media today have many sources to catch a snif of what is or may be happening

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05 Aug 2013 08:02:26
Ronaldo, signed new contract at Madrid according to Marca

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05 Aug 2013 07:36:15
THe Fabregas situation is a lot more simpler than it looks, Barca will sell if their valuation is met, we still short. Until Fabregas comes out and says he's definitely staying - it's on. I'm guessing we are refusing to bid higher than our 2nd bid, or at least considering whether another bid of £35 million is value. Hence the noises coming out of Barca, which I interpret as 'look we've told you what we want for him, either pay up or p*$$ off.

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The drawback to me is we are still trying to buy him on the cheap he cost them 35m they won't sell until we at least reach that figure.

Cynic in me says we won't bid enough for them to sell him and all this is just a ploy to dupe the fans

We will end up with Fellaini and Cabbaye a totally uninspiring target

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Pardoe, Barcelona paid around £25m for Cesc. Cesc wavered his loyalty bonus, he wavered something else and a lot of the fee was add-on based. Barcelona paid no more than £25m and probably less. £35m offer for Cesc is a very good and fair offer from MU.

Sydney!

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05 Aug 2013 05:03:20
At the press conference in US just few mins ago:

Cristiano Ronaldo: "My renewal is not yet resolved. Maybe later we will know something more concrete. "

Cristiano Ronaldo on Gareth Bale: "I have my opinion of him, but I'm not going to say it to the cameras. "

Cristiano Ronaldo: "I'm very happy here. Now I just want to train and prepare myself well. "

Also, , Marca : Cristiano Ronaldo extends his contract with Real Madrid until 2018. He will earn �17m/season.

Just posting info, no opinions, don't shoot me.

Beastie

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05 Aug 2013 05:01:13
First sir alex retires, (2) we are missing out on our top targets (thiago, fabregas) (3)rooney to hand transfer request. Hmmh is this UNITED. moyes will really need to shake the transfer market this week or else the fans will start loosing faith in him. If I tell u am not scared am lying all though I wish him well

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Would you shut up! If Moyes can't get anyone in the transfer market it's not his fault, more likely to be Ed Woodward & the Glazers. How about you just judge Moyes on the results of games and the way in which we play in them? Getting fed up with all these negative moaning fans. JEEZ

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'what is your transfer budget'

He replied:
'we have no budget'.

Which means we have no money constraints for transfers.

City's transfers have been done, they deliberately went and got 'tier 2' players instead of the crazy marquee stars that we appear to be going after.

If we were more realistic with our targets then I believe our transfers would also be completed by now.

Transfer targets are down to Moyes, not Woodward

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Haha! Do you know what I find funny?

Everyone was complaining at the beginning of the window, 'Oh the days of us buying the best stars are gone now, we don't have the money or ambition to compete in the transfer market, blah blah blah'. Now we're going for the best players and everyone is now saying if we went for 'tier 2' or 'realistic' targets we would get them.

Half of the fans on this site will never be happy, and get a kick out of moaning. Bore off!

Ozwald

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05 Aug 2013 03:54:57
Yesterday we were keeping Rooney and getting Ronaldo and Cesc. Today we're selling Rooney and Ronaldo and Cesc are staying. The transfer window shouldn't be this painful.

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If you stopped paying attention to it then it wouldn't be so painfull

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05 Aug 2013 02:24:00
Hi guys,

Not a rumour just a thought. Do utd fans want Rooney to stay? I personally do and as we are Manchester United and we always move forward with dignity and respect I would be very disappointed if any fans decided to boo him when he takes the field next. I don't ever remember a player being booed and I hope it doesn't start now. The only people who know what is going on are Rooney, Moyes and the chairman so until they talk publicly about it I think we should continue to get behind the lad and hopefully he will reward us with 30 goals this season!

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Well said. Even if you've been a supporter for 50 years you haven't contributed the sweat, blood and trophies that Rooney has helped the club win. He's one of the best players the club has ever had, and he has one down year and everyone turns on him. I don't have an issue with his complaints two years ago (no transfers) or his complaints last year (out of position/subbed/not played). And even if you do have an issue with how he's acted, the years he's given to the club mean he deserves a proper reception as long as he wears the colors of the club. If he moves, you'll all have plenty of time to rain hate down upon him.

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I wouldn't sell rooney to chelsea no matter what unless we got mata

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Faced with nobody coming into the club, a number of people who were against Rooney are now saying he is a good asset

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04 Aug 2013 22:58:18
we will not sign cesc we will not ronaldo. believe the second coming of can't win anything with kids is on the horizon. can't wait to see zaha lingard and jqnuzai. these boys are hungry and include thelikes of jones raphael evans de gea little pea then we have loads of young playefs. yes there is crap to get rid of but would love to see the young lads get a chance this year. will make it more exciting and I personally don't care if we don't win anything this year. just want to see exciting football again. not the boring crap of the last two seasons. kids give enthusiasmthe

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You don't care if we don't win anything this season? We probably won't with a turtle playing right back.

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Well said! I'd just temper your sentiments a little though by saying Moyes needs to be careful how he introduces those players so as not to damage their confidence or risk injury.

that said, youthful naievity can be an asset in itself and these players are in positions where mistakes are perhaps less crucial than elsewhere on the pitch.

if Moyes thinks they're good enough he should play them ahead of young, nani and Valencia who have failed to take plenty of opportunities already

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Mate I am 100% with you

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I would love to see the youngsters play, but only if they're good enough. Januzaj will be good but not ready. Lingard might do a job for us. Zaha will need a season to settle but I think he will be a very good player.
I think Moyes needs to sign a defensive midfielder soon, otherwise we will be exposed.
If we don't buy anyone, then keeping Rooney is a must.
Nomidfield

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