Manchester United Banter Archive February 05 2013

05 feb 2013 23:49:34
condolences to all the utd family, in remembrance of the awful munich air disaster, which claimed the life of 23 people.
ps, manchester united - one of the few truly special football clubs in the world, from a liverpool fan. . . . lfc

Thank you LFC. A touching sentiment. It's easy to forget that, despite all the banter and general abuse between fans (especially LFC and manchester united), we are all football fans, and tragic events such as Munich or Hillsborough hit home how important it is to remain solid together at these times.
I hope that all the united fans on here show you the same respect on 15th April

My thoughts are with those that lost someone on this fateful day 55 years ago, a day that defined our great club. THose who were lost will never be forgotten

Wearing my shirt with a little extra pride today

NTRed

Lfc - Pure class. Fairplay.

R. I. P the Busby Babes and the 96 - some things run deeper than football rivalries.

RED_SKY

05 Feb 2013 22:18:44
Good evening Ed I would like you to post this on both Manchester United and Liverpool pages.

This is about the Munich Air Disaster and as I have seen some fans in real life and on the internet mock this, I would like to post something I have found which really sums this up.

Thankyou.


Two very separate tragedies an outcome just the same.
Lives lost and ruined forever, no victim at all to blame.
Be it lives taken away on a terrace or in the Munich snow.
Each club suffered terribly, so respect we ought to show.

Heroes a plenty, a goalkeeper and fans spring to mind.
Every death and casualty, an innocent person you’ll find.
Yet both tragedies could have been avoided, surely a fact.
An overnight stay rejected, an unfit terrace over packed.

Every person that died, they all shared a common love.
So respect will be shown for each other in Heaven above.
But here on Earth it’s a different matter for some I’d say.
Time now for a new era; don’t let the past stand in our way.

Two massive football clubs, a fierce rivalry second to none.
Long may that rivalry continue, no Kopite would want it gone.
But mocking any tragedy, from that there’s nothing to gain.
Both set of fans should respect each other’s loss the same.

-JakeW

05 Feb 2013 21:52:19
Lewandowski is, and is going to be, a great striker, and would have fit us perfectly and at a good price. But we just don't have a spot for him. He's not 19 years old, so waiting for RVP to leave will take too long, and we already have four strikers. Shame as he's world-class, but sometimes things just don't line up I suppose. -KG {Ed004's Note - I was thinking about this earlier. It seems that Lewandowski is a likely option. How about RVP dropping into the hole but not as deep as Rooney? Also playing in that Dortmund team Lewandowksi is comfortable on the ball if anything it gives us options. But would you want to risk RVP's goals drying up? Or him getting injured playing in midfield?}

I don't see us moving for him, there simply isn't room I don' think. I wish there was, but as you say either someone leaves or others play out of position.

Fresh!

Welbeck out in the summer imo, he just doesn't score enough

Pardoe

Hmmm I dunno what we should do with Welbeck. He is an excellent prospect with potential to become a top player. But he doesn't score enough atm to get into the side on a regular basis in his best position, which means if he isn't playing then he will not be able to realise his potential.

So do we keep him and risk ruining him or at best he'll be a late bloomer as it'll take longer for him to realise his potential with limited playing oppertunities.
Or do we sell him and risk watching him become a top player for somewhere else such as Rossi and Pique.

Shappy

Lewandowski is very much on United's radar whether people believe there is room for him or not. Welbeck needs games so I wouldn't be surprised to see Welbeck loaned out for a season if Lewandowski was signed. Perhaps to a newly promoted Hull or Leicester or even Wigan.

I am still interested to see what happens with Rooney. He's due contract talks so the summer could be a big one for him.

Sydney!

05 Feb 2013 21:12:02
Sky Sport Italia reported on Tuesday the forward was set to secure a summer move to Bayern Munich for a �22 million fee, but Zorc has denied the rumours and insisted there was no fresh developments on Lewandowski's future.

"There is no new state of play. We will not comment on that, because nothing has changed for us, " Zorc told Sport1.

"If a player negotiates with another club, we cannot stop that. But as we speak, we do not know anything about it. "

Bayern declined to comment and Dortmund later released a statement saying: "We do not comment on rumours, no matter what they are like. "

However, according to Spiegel, Bayern are nearing an agreement with Lewandowski and will begin negotiations with Dortmund.

05 Feb 2013 16:47:22
after porto buying out rest of rodriguez's rights
ed do you expect Manchester United to put in a bid for him in the summer even though after the arrival of wilfred zaha? {Ed007's Note - Summer is some time away yet.}

05 Feb 2013 16:23:34
Anyone know if there are any solid other replacements for nani that aren't youth/potential players? Someone that has proved themselves. {Ed004's Note - Rodriguez}

Goetze?

Mick

Isco or Marco Reus!

Red Samurai

05 Feb 2013 12:10:16
Hey eds, I have an interesting question for you and the fans, Who are the most likely clubs to be forced to sell their prized assets in Spain? I know Sevilla, Madrid and Barca all have huge debt, but can you tell me any others, I was just thinking their is a lot of players going to be leaving spain if wages don't get paid and clubs don't become more financially secure. So any knowledge of other clubs in Spain struggling financially?
Jams

Valencia and Atletico Madrid spring to mind.

G. A. G. U. S

Athletico Bilbao, I think.

T-O-I

Aside from the usual predictable names like Falcao (no chance) and Isco, who else is there at clubs like Malaga, Atletico, Sevilla, Valencia that could be a good signing?

05 Feb 2013 13:37:11
i honestly don't get how cleverley and welbeck get so much stick. People moaned all last season about playing our home grown players. So we do and now the same people are moaning that we're playing home grown players and not signing anyone. You can't have it both ways. People have spent three years saying we need to play a possession based game and retain the ball more. So this season we've tried to play that with carrick, cleverley and kagawa in the team. Yet they get criticised. I'm not saying we could do without a signing or two. that's obvious. But people need to look at what we're trying to do and what cleverley does. Its no coincidence carrick is having his best season for years. Or how good anderson looked last year. And he's added goals as well now which was the other main cleverley complaint. Give the lad chance to mature, strengthen midfield and see what happens. As for welbeck the lad has a lot to offer. Yes he needs goals but playing him out of position or orders to play a certain role for the team will reduce goals. Then we have the spurious argument that IF he played for another team would you sign him. Well if he played for another team he'd probably play thirty games a season in his first choice position and probably bag a fair few games. So based on that yes I would sign him. As people seem to assume if he played elsewhere he'd be in the same boat he is in at united, reality is at a lot of prem clubs he'd be a regular. The manager rates them highly and I think he's earned the right for us to trust his judgement and back our home grown players. Too many people on here want to be City, soulless but with flashy mercenaries and no youth. This club was founded on youth. Before Sir Matt and Jimmy even, going back to the days of James Gibson and Louis Rocca. Yes we need fine tuning. Yes we need one maybe two top class midfielders in. But support the young players who will be a big part of this clubs future.

I don't think anyone would have any issues with Cleverley if we were stocked in midfield with talent. I think many on here are so bemused by the lack of strengthening in that area that they subconsciously resent Cleverley for it. It's the same with Scholes, no one would have any issues with him in the squad if we had much better options in midfield.

Sydney!

05 Feb 2013 14:25:20
Simply because they are 2 above average players who if they played for another team, United and you as fans would not be screaming to buy them, much like Nani, Anderson, Young and even if your honest Carrick, that you call him your best player this year shows how bad your midfield really is.

The Anthill Mob.

Some on here still wouldn't be happy if we were winning every game 5 nil, winning every cup and the league every year

Is there anyone on here who actually thinks cleverly is a bad player

I always though the issue was, how good he was, some people think he's a good squad player others that he's the next big thing

Same goes for welbeck some people rate him highly I don't think he will ever be a first choice striker for a team like United but I wouldn't say he's crap
Jred

At 21 and 23 they are already very useful squad players, it's what they develop into over the next 2-3 years that's debatable. Whether they can take the next step is entirely up to them, but between now and then we should be enjoying the ride too. There is nothing better than watching a youth product develop into a fully fledged international.

Sydney!

Yay the molehill mob is back how are u? School finish early again? Tut tut how do people expect young juveniles like YOU to get a decent education.
Wow now all this is getting way to coincidental you have once again appeared after puzzled has disappeared! Come on boy why dnt you just come clean la
Chris the REDman
Cant wait for your 'witty' response opps sorry I ment responses.

Great post, fully agree OP. The funny thing is some of the people who slate these youngster's are the same people who say we should bringing more youth through, lol.

Agree with Syd's point too though, if we had a strong midfield people wouldn't slate Cleverly so much. But it's not his fault the manager has failed to strengthen CM.

Anthill Mob - you are a joke! Carrick is one of the best all round CM'ers in the EPL and those players you named will have plenty of honours to look back on when they end their careers with United. BTW - where are all your scary mates tonight? ;)

Gav

Sydney! that's the best post I've read in ages
Bren,

05 Feb 2013 13:22:39
you guys seen the photo of welbeck and zaha on england duty its like a fresh prince tribute act haha

05 Feb 2013 09:40:24
8 days

GD

No mate - one day. Always remember.
Steve

Shut up you condescending moron, why would I share my excitement for a day of rememberence of a tragedy? I'm purely excited to see our current team play a big game against Madrid. Doesn't mean that tomorrow I won't have a thought for the busby babes and potentially the greatest team ever. Don't need reminding off you

GD

Steve,

Fantastic.

GDS

GD why so rude? Why refer to me as a moron? Tomorrow marks the date of the greatest tragedy this club has ever known. I was on the streets of Old Trafford (going to primary school) when the news broke. This far outweighs any future fixture. Glad to hear you had remembered. Have a nice evening.
Steve

Simply because the way you shot down my comment in a smarmy way. i'm thinking about and excited about our current squads fixture. as far as tomorrow goes I like everyone else will be thinking about the players and personnel taken from our club. although unfortunately I wasn't around to see the likes of duncan edwards i've heard many good stories from my dad and grandad so the significance of the tragedy and tomorrow is not lost on me

GD

GD - I was not smarmy just getting priorities right. But yes your Dad and Granddad are correct, they were a hell of a side and still had so much potential to come. I can remember it like it was yesterday. The whole community (the players lived amongst us) were devestated.
Steve

Steve, what you did was very sly, very sly indeed

BornIntoIt

BornIntoIt what do you mean?
Steve

Mate, You reduced the poor guy to nothing more than the role of patsy. The guy's benign comment was divorced wholly from the realm of tragedy and you used it as an opportunity to contrive a context in which you play The Moral Keeper: "Look here, you fine posters!Look at how this man has no reverence for the date that sours our hearts" (subtext)

BornInToIt

04 Feb 2013 23:52:06
Liverpool are 24 points behind us, knocked out of the FA cup by Oldham and are 9 points off 4th place.

But always remember, 5 times.

Hoppy

We are 26 points ahead of them.

Sydney!