Manchester United Banter Archive July 05 2013

05 Jul 2013 23:07:31
"All I know is that, having worked with him for five years, he's a top pro, " he added. "I'm not overestimating.

"That lad wants to play. He's dedicated and he wants to train. He'd stay on at the end of sessions and improve his shooting, finishing and heading.

"Don't forget Robin van Persie had a lean spell for eight or nine games and just look at who stepped up to the plate then? It was Wayne. "Steele on Rooney

Is Eric talking about the same lazy unfit UN professional wayne rooney we all love
Jred

Jred

I have never bought this fat thing, I just think he has declined and can train all he wants but will see a diminishing return from him.

Shahram

That's fine Jred. I fully accept the lad wants to play, and is dedicated.

But, play for who, and dedicated to who? ;)

06 Jul 2013 02:36:16
Yeah but rooney bashers will probably say 'who cares what eric says, we know better than him about wayne

Why do people call myself and some of the others as bashers.

The facts are he has requested for a second transfer, he was a log on the pitch last year, wasteful with his passing and very poor in terms of first touch and general decisions he makes.

The manager sidestepped the question of him wanting to be here and towed the party line of "he is not for sale", which every club in football does when it comes to players.

The manager also interestingly enough said he has talked to saf on a number occasions and gotten some advice and I wonder what those discussions were about. I found Vidic's demeanor quite interesting in the press conference as it was far from that everything is hunky dory as Moyes was trying to convey.

The new goal keeping coach's statement really does nothing to change any of the above.

He is 2 paces slower than what he used to be and to accommodate him in his favoured position, we play so many guys out of position or have them sit on the bench that the team is unbalanced and struggles and players are not happy.

As some have already stated in your joy and believe that he will be staying and if he does you might regret this whole farce as the season goes on, as no player is worth this sort of trouble and you seem to have player above club mentality.

His silence is enough for me that there is lot more to this that meets the eye and this is going to be a major issue going forward and make no mistake about it.

Finally, let's wait and see how this pans out. Any new striker signing will signal the end for him.

Shahram

Hear hear jred. hope that Wayne himself comes out and says he wants to stay.
I for one, don't want him to leave. We want to keep our top players not sell them.
Nomidfield

Yes he was talking about the same pot noodle eating, b&h smoking, unfit and unprofessional Rooney :-)
CTR

It's just a pity that he couldn't stay behind in the gym to get his ass into shape. Practicing headers, finishing & shooting has naff all to do with your fitness. You get fit in the gym, somewhere where our ex-fitness coach Mick Clegg says Rooney done his best to swerve.

I would say our ex-fitness coach knows a little more than our ex-goalkeeping coach. SAF has criticised Rooney's fitness, Wayne himself has criticised his fitness. Eric Steele doesn't mention his fitness once in the above post. It's his fitness that the majority on here, SAF, sports pundits etc have been questioning.

One thing people like Jred are missing here which is a very important question is if Vidic is saying he is the fittest he has seen him in years, then 'WHY' couldn't Rooney stay this fit all year round? And why wasn't he this fit all last season when he kept being dropped due to fitness? Answer that one then.

Sydney!

Syd that was last year who knows what was going on behind the scenes he also had a lot of niggling injuries.
I'm quite happy he's back looking very fit at the start of pre season.
He's been at the club for 9 years now and fir the most part been very fit and healthy.
It's nice to hear he's git that glint in his eye again.
As I've said many times I expect to see a fit and healthy Rooney this season and I think he will do very well I know you disagree let's leave it at that
Jred

06 Jul 2013 12:25:33
Thats a good point syd. If rooney can get this fit now then why not last season? Or before? Vidic saying that has basically said rooney hasn't been pulling his weight up intil now. Sorry mr rooney but you have had years to get this fit, why now? because you want a new contract? If this doesn't prove he is unproffesional and a money grabber then what does? Pedro.

Syd
God knows it could be personally issue anything but he's fit now that's all you can ask
Jred

Jred, I won't disagree with that. That is a fair and honest reply.

If Rooney stays I actually do think he will be better than last season if he can remain 100% fit.

I just think we have seen the best of Rooney. That doesn't mean he isn't still a top player.

Sydney!

05 Jul 2013 23:02:20
just had time to watch the presser in full. on. mutv, thought he did well, anyone see the exclusive interview with moysie after the presser, he said that we are trying very hard to tie up deals for players asap, sounds promising, on the rooney thing, I think its far from over and i'm none the wiser, he was always going to say not for sale, sorry if all this has been covered, just got home.

Its hard to believe people aren't any wiser after Moyes repeated several times that Rooney will not be sold. For once accept what has been said to you and not try to act like Scotland Yard detectives

Still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy, DJ? :)

It has been known, on one or two occasions, that football managers and players, sometimes tell fibs when it comes to the delicate handling of transfers and contracts.

I'm sorry to have to be the one to break this earth-shattering, devastating news to you, mate.

I'm not saying he's not telling the truth, but I'm equally not going to go and remortgage the house to put a bet on Wayne still being here at the start of the season.

You must be really insane otherwise, after what I saw, I think moyes wasnt lying, from a guy who oozes professionalism.
I think even if WR came out and said he's staying, you lot would still cook up consipracy stories and tbh, I have no time to waste on arguing otherwise
Dj.

05 Jul 2013 22:43:25
extremely Impressed with Moyes today, been quietly so for years as all of us. excited when I read two great articles ; his previous jobs, his ethos, and the lengths he went to to be extremely thourough in his approach to learning.

He dealt with each question with class and the subject of Rooney skillfully handled and should in my mind defuse the sitution to a degree. I've no doubt we have a very competant manager and i'm looking forward to the season.

as for Rooney i'm all good going by what I heard said. I honestly do think he let down the club but I really do think he does have heart for the club. just an unsteady kind.
has to prove himself but the foundations are getting laid for that to happen. I really hope he earns his dollar.

and as for last week. i'm holding my hands up high. I was a goof.

i'm leaving thought s rather than get into discussions for a good while
constantine

05 Jul 2013 21:09:13
"He's in very good shape, the best shape in the last five years, " the centre-back told reporters.

"I'm looking forward to watching him play for the club. We never talk about his future. "
Vidic on Rooney
Jred

So what's his excuse for not being in this shape for the past year or two Jred? Why couldn't he stay in shape all year round?

Sydney!

Lol Jred, can I borrow that wooden spoon once you've finished with it? ;)

Hb
Can you tell I'm bored.
Syd
I don't pretend to be in the know or have all the answers, but that's a few people who actually know Rooney and are in the know that are saying how fit he is.
Not bad for an unfit UN professional fat lazy player who is in decline.
I maintain I think Rooney will do very well next year I know you disagree let's wait and see
Jred

It's a shame bc I like Sydney and he brings a lot of energy to these boards. But I am going to spend this entire season calling him out once Rooney is back firing again. Kloot is on my list too. Seems that Barca, Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal and United all feel that Rooney is quality. I'll take their opinion, and my own, over Syd/Kloot/etc's silly overreaction anyday.

Jred, who has said Rooney is fit? Eric Steele never mentioned his fitness once. Vidic is saying Rooney is fit "NOW". Not last season when we needed him to be. SAF questioned Rooney's fitness on numerous occasions last season. Rooney himself admitted to turning up to training overweight. So your argument is flawed.

I will ask the question once more, a question you conveniently sidestepped again. If Rooney can get to the shape he is in now, then why couldn't he put the same effort in last season and stay that fit all year round?

Sydney!

KG, when have I EVER said Rooney isn't quality? Feel free to search the archives. I have said Rooney is a top player, but we have seen the best of him. I 100% still believe that. He hasn't been the same player since 2009/10 season up until his ankle injury against Bayern Munich. That season he was unplayable and world-class IMO. If Rooney is still here and we see Rooney emulate his 2009/10 form next season, then I would gladly hold my hands up, but it will not happen.

I like the way you say Barcelona, Madrid, Arsenal & Chelsea all feel that Rooney is quality. Of course he is still quality, but when did any of these clubs say that? The only club that has shown an interest in Rooney is PSG. Even PSG had several targets ahead of Rooney. Cavani, Falcao, Higuain & Suarez to name four.

Sydney!

Jred
Fat lazy UN professional in decline , I've know idea why people would think you don't rate rooney
Back tracking as usual
Jred

Jred, my opinion regarding Rooney has NEVER changed. He is still a top player, but we have seen the best of him.

Last season he was unfit and that is down to his lack of professionalism. He will never emulate his 2009/10 form, hence the decline. That is what a decline is Jred.

Sydney!

05 Jul 2013 19:50:06
So moyes is officialy our new
Manager, his first press conference is also done. Now its time to get some deals done quickly and annouce them.

Sid

05 Jul 2013 19:05:08
Very happy with that press conference. Moyes spoke very well and handled all the questions with poise and dignity. He said all the right things, i'm happy with the fact he has spoke several times with Sir Alex and asked his advice. I'm happy that he intends to respect the clubs traditions. And with all he had to say to he honest.

As for Rooney I would take what he said with a pinch of salt, he pushed the door to but left it just open enough so as he could turn back. This to me suggests that either he is leaving or more likely that no decision has yet been made either way.

What I took out of it and thought was most interesting is his comments about Wayne. He said several times how many goals Wayne has scored for us, and he seemed to be making a point about trying to help Wayne get the 50 goals he needs to be all time leading goalscorer.

I think he has had a few chats with Wayne and the outcome of that could be that Wayne is unhappy about being asked to play several positions. Wayne has complained about being shunted about the pitch several times before. I think Wayne wants to play in his favoured position. So I think Moyes was maybe trying to send a message out to Rooney that he intends to play him as a striker next season. Of course this is just speculation.

Based on that my opinion has shifted slightly and now I think he is more likely to stay. On a personal note I would still rather see the back of him. But before I felt he was being pushed out of the club, now Moyes seems to be trying to persuade him to stay. So for that reason I think he will be a United player at the start of the season.

He was asked on several occasions "Has Rooney told you he wants to stay?" or words to that effect and ducked/refused to answer all of them, which to me speaks volumes. Sends a definite message to Rooney if you want to go you have to ask in my humble opinion.

Would love to see a fit and committed Rooney still with us, if he's not I'd want him gone.

05 Jul 2013 21:45:52
Grund, that's the thing. I don't think Rooney has said he wants to stay. I think he has said he isn't happy with his role at the club and his playing position.

I can't make my mind up whether Rooney is playing games to get a new contract or whether he is just unhappy with his playing role with the club.

Either way I expect Moyes to make the right call. He know's Rooney well, he will talk with Sir Alex and he'll watch him in training. And then make a judgement call as to whether its best to keep or sell Wayne.

Shappy
this is just my opinion but I think the club and moyes want him to stay, however I think Rooney wants to play as a striker and at the age of 28 May feel he has had enough of playing all over the place, he may feel he is at his peak years and wants to make the most of them
Jred

06 Jul 2013 00:49:48
I think your near enough spot on jred, the only thing I think differently is I feel there is a division at the club with some wanting him to stay and some wanting him gone. Imo Sir Alex wanted him gone, probably due to the trouble he caused him when trying to get his last contract. I also think there are money men at the club who feel that it would be best to move him on now. I think the playing staff and the coaches want him to stay.

Personally if Wayne is to stay I would only want him played as a striker. It is his best position, and I still feel he has lost some of his pace which is the first sign of decline.

There are many issues when it comes to keeping Wayne, and probably less issues if we sell him. This is why I would rather him leave.

But I fully trust and support Moyes, and I will there for fully trust and support his judgement in this matter. So whatever he decides with Rooney I will put aside my opinion and back the manager.

Shappy
At the end of day that's all you can do, people at the club will no far more about the situation than me or you maybe even as much as syd.
I think it will come down to one thing is rooney happy to play in the hole or does he want to play as an out and out striker.
I think most teams play with 1 up top and that man for us is rvp, if Rooney wants this role he may have to move.
Jred

05 Jul 2013 17:52:24
Love you Moysie! You got yourself a cult follower right here! :d

Sorry Brendan and Sharam, couldn't resist. Before people tell me, don't take his words as gospel. I am certainly not. This saga is yet to end, but loved the way he simply quashed a few thoughts.

Jred - Our man stays LOL

Deeps.

What he didn't say told me more than what he did say on the whole Rooney thing. Still think you may be disappointed guys. He has yet to sign a, probably reduced, contract. Do we honestly think he will? I know I dont.

Brendan81

05 Jul 2013 19:11:14
According to who? Just because he said he wasn't for sale doesn't mean that he isn't for sale.

When he comes out and says he's staying you may be right. Until then i'll take his continuing silence as indicative of he's still off and the club isn't announcing till its all agreed.

Deeps I agree a lot can change very quickly in football but in light of some of the things said over the past week/year it was quite funny.
I'm sure the Rooney is in terminal decline argument may be replaced by he's still a great player when fit argument.
For a week or so at least
Jred

Brendan
If moyes had come out today and said Rooney wants out or we want to sell or he won't be offered an improved contract I would of been straight on this site to say " sharham, Brendan syd looks like I was wrong"

A lot can still change but after the convos of the past week for moyes to come out say he's staying must count for something.
Syd no doubt what ever moyes says will count for nothing if it is different to what you think

jred

Is that what you heard? What I heard is "If Wayne wants to leave then he is going to have to officially ask to leave (hand in a transfer request) and until that happens, he isn't going anywhere". or am I just a cynic? ;)

TK-Red

Jred, for a bloke in their 40's or 50's you are pretty naive aren't you?

Liverpool have said Suarez is not for sale. Is Suarez for sale? YES!

Rooney may end up staying, but Moyes was always going to say he isn't for sale today.

My opinion hasn't changed. We have seen the best of Rooney, but he is still a top player.

Sydney!

JRED it doesn't count for anything really, just keeps his value up. Saying he is training hard and in great shape and not for sale means teams have to pay top dollar. Also makes him have to put in an official transfer request which works in our favour.

Brendan81

Brendan/Syd

"We have spoken several times and as far as I've seen it, whatever happened before has gone. We are working together now. I see a glint in his eye, he looks happy and if he is saying I'm going to knuckle down and get it right - let's not kid ourselves. "

While I think this is far from over, but DM could have simply said he is not for sale and let's move on. There is no point in saying things like "He is happy" and "i see a glint in his eyes". May be I am wrong, but just may be you guys are making too much out of it. let's wait and watch. I firmly believe Moyes wants Rooney to stay.

P. S - Syd, I don't see why you would need to goad someone with a comment on age, I have far too much respect for you to expect a petty thing like this.

Deeps.

It takes a big man to say I could be wrong
Jred

Brendan
Do you think teams will pay top dollar just because of something moyes has said.
Rooneys agent Rooney and the club will all no what's going on, what price he could leave for etc etc if United don't want Rooney or if Rooney wants out I have no doubt his agent would of been on the phone telling various clubs what the deal was.
Or do you think Wenger and co were watching the press conference thinking wow United really don't want to sell and moyes said he's in great shape we better bid an extra 10 mill

Syd
He could of just said Rooney is not for sale, next question. Didn't have to go on about his fitness, or him looking eager, or him having the chance to be our record goal scorer or his picture on the walls like other legends best Charlton.
What do you think moyes would of said if he didn't want Rooney to leave.
TK
It actually sounded to me that moyes was trying to talk Rooney in to staying, said he looked in shape talked about what he could achieve (goal record etc).
I honestly think United / moyes don't want him to go whether Rooney wants to stay may be a different matter
Jred

That's the key Jred. What Rooney wants. Listening to Moyes today I couldn't help but think he sounded like a man who is saying 'If Wayne wants to leave, it will be HIS choice and not Manchester United's'. Rooney will have to deal with the consequences of that i. e. ruining his 'legacy' etc

TK-Red

TK
I would agree, I think that was the message as I have said many times I don't think the club want to sell him I think it will be down to Rooney.

My main disagreement is I don't think Rooney is finished, I don't think he is the fat lazy in decline player some try to portray, I've said for a while I expect to see a fit much improved Rooney next season be it for United or someone else.
Jred

Deeps

Before you go all funny mate. wait and see as they say this story has many twists to it. I still expect him to be sold.

Shahram

Shahram

Not being funny at all. In fact Wayne's side of things is not too clear so far. The only thing I have to say is may be, Moyes is saying what he actually wants to say. May be a Manchester United manager is speaking the truth and being honest. When SAF was saying about "Rooney has asked for a transfer", you guys took it as gospel. aren't you being really selective about what you think is said in the press to be true or not? I will go by face value for now. Rooney is in great shape and is happy. that's it!

Deeps.

Deeps

Rooney has been dead silent and still till now will not deny it. C'mon are you so blinkered that you are choosing bits that suit your argument. Do you really think Phelan, SAF, Rene are all liars and they are conspiring together.

Moyes clear as day side stepped the question when asked has Rooney stated he wants to stay.

Going by your theory, what is stopping him from putting a tweet out saying back in training love the club and look forward to the new season.

I know you like this guy but for christ sake look at it objectively. For the record I don't hate him but believe he is past his best and a distraction and has started something that will create issues with other players going forward.

Shahram

Jred, who said Rooney is finished? I said and have always said that Rooney is a top player, but I feel we have seen the best of him. That is what decline means, Rooney was at his best in 2009/10 and he has regressed ever since then. That is called a decline.

Everyday's a school day eh.

Sydney!

05 Jul 2013 17:45:35
Liverpool fans are fuming as "Mickey" has agreed to join Dortmund.

Every cloud and that.

Sydney!

Lets face it, given the choice of liverpool or dortmund, who the hell would choose liverpool? There 1 decent player will be at Madrid come the start of the season.

Brendan81

05 Jul 2013 17:24:04
Speaking at his first press conference as United manager, the Scot said: "Wayne is not for sale. He is a Manchester United player and will remain a Manchester United player. "

Moyes, who handed Rooney his professional debut at Everton, continued: "I've been fortunate, I've known Wayne since he was 16.

"I've had several meetings with Wayne. He's training brilliantly well, he's come back in good shape and I'm really looking forward to working with him.

"We have spoken several times and as far as I've seen it, whatever happened before has gone. We are working together now. I see a glint in his eye, he looks happy and if he is saying I'm going to knuckle down and get it right - let's not kid ourselves.

"He's a terrific player and let me reiterate, he's not for sale. "
lol jred

What he didn't say was "Wayne is happy at Man United". Its a diplomatic answer - it meansd "we don't wnat to sell" but nothing more. Rooney will decide his own future.

No name, it doesn't even mean that. If the club are willing to sell Rooney, Moyes would still be saying the same. MU would maintain Rooney is not for sale right up until an acceptable bid was made. Today hasn't told us anything new.

Sydney!

Key phrase for me is the bit about the glint in his eye. that doesn't sound like something he's made up; more like something he's noticed and more importantly something he's looking for in all the players

whatever happens now, its clear rooney won't be allowed to slip away quietly and if he is going to move its going to take a hefty bid and some very public manouverings from Rooney and his agent.

If he stays IMO any new contract negotiations should be left to Christmas. Let's see which Wayne Rooney turns up this season.

Andrew
I agree moyes could of just said he's not for sale we don't want to sell next question.
jred

05 Jul 2013 17:08:06
Fantastic press conference. Moyes spoke brilliantly.
He was very confident and spoke with class and dignity throughout. He looked completely in control and comfortable in his surroundings, every inch the Manchester United manager, which is a great thing considering the pressure. With every passing day my confidence in the man grows, as does my excitement for the new season. He can do this, I have no doubts.

As a side note, not convinced we have heard the last of the Rooney saga. If he has indeed come back in good shape then great news though, I have said all along I want him to stay as long as he is fully committed. Perhaps he is not speaking out as he wants to just move on with the new manager and give his all again. After all it's obvious the problem was more with Sir Alex than with the club.

GRD

GRD, the problem was not SAF or the club. The problem has been Rooney not keeping himself in shape. Rooney has always struggled with his weight, but now he is getting older he needs to work even harder. Last season he wasn't working hard enough and it showed on the pitch.

If Rooney can stay 100% fit he will be a top player still. The question remains whether he could stay 100% fit throughout a season. The press conference hasn't told us anything we didn't already know. I said yesterday that Moyes will say Rooney is not for sale. It was inevitable and I wouldn't have expected him to say anything else.

If Rooney ends up staying and he keeps himself 100% fit then all of us (even Kloot) will get behind the player, but if last season is anything to go by then I think as soon as he has signed his new contract he will be straight back to the way he has been for the past 18 months.

Sydney!

Sydney!, I know that but what I meant was Rooney personally had a bit of ill feeling towards Sir Alex toward the end of his reign.

GRD

GRD, agreed, apparently Rooney and SAF haven't spoken much since 2010. At times Mike Phelan had to be a go between. The problem is though GRD is that Moyes and Rooney have had an even worse relationship in the past. There is still some way to go yet, but whatever the club decide to do as a MU fan I will back the decision.

Sydney!

05 Jul 2013 16:53:24
Good to see David Moyes finally speak as the new Manchester United manager! I for one think he handled it very well, looked calm even when 100 questions were asked about Rooney.

Key points -

Rooney isn't going anywhere and he's in the best physical shape he's been in for the last 5 years according to Vidic.

Moyes felt the need to state more than once that United will always go after the best players.

Scholes will be integrated as a coach when he feels the time is right.

Ozwald

Oz, it's just a pity that it takes a new contract to get Rooney to get his ass into shape. He should be 100% fit all of the time.

Sydney!

Syd was a contract mentioned?

Caolan, contract talks have been taking place for a couple of months now and have stalled. IMO if Rooney can stay 100% fit, not give the manager any grief and he is happy to rotate with other players, then he is still a top player and a club with Rooney is better than a club without Rooney. I just feel we have seen the best of him and if there is a chance he will disrupt the team, then the club need to think very carefully about what they are going to do.

Sydney!

05 Jul 2013 16:49:37
What a surprise I out GDS as the Glazer sympothist that he is and he declares that I am an attention seeking troll. Carry on doing your masters work GDS but I will keep on till we are rid of the money grabbing Cancer.

What and controlled by us fickle fans!
Do us a favour Kloot
You will never be satisfied, because your ideal is wishful thinking this games moved on and what we've experienced in the last 10/15 years is the envy of most clubs but unfortunately not the likes of you (I remember the great days brigade).
Dylan

I'm serious as cancer when I say rhythm is a dancer.

Hang in there KLOOT, nearly a new season, soon you can re-fix your frustrations on The Brand and young Wayne.

If your really lucky Blair Minge might reappear for the first few weeks of the season, before the Scousers fall so embarrassingly below us that the banter becomes pointless :D

Rio is on over £100k a week, as are vidic, rvp, giggs, carrick etc, shall we get rid of all them as they must all be money grabbing b. s?
chill out!

05 Jul 2013 18:32:06
Maybe Kloot your unable to see more than your own view. You see everything as black or white, either you love the Glazers or you hate them. Either you spend all your time cuddling upto your Macolm Glazer doll, or your sticking needles in it as an attempt at voodoo.

Have you ever considered that actually most things in life aren't black or white but varying shades of grey.

Is it possible that GDS doesn't like the Glazers but doesn't have the same spiteful bile driven bitterness towards them that you do?

I think 70% of fans dislike the Glazers, 10% hate them to the pount of wanting to cause them personal harm and 20% neither like them or dislike them. But i'm sure that no Manchester United fan loves or even likes the Glazers.

You my friend are in the 10%, and that's fine. If that's how you feel then your intitled to feel that way. But don't let you hatred for them turn you against fellow fans. As that would be the biggest shame of all.

'keep on doing what exactly, KLOOT'?

StevieK

10-15 years, i'd say 20. Still got the whiplash from celebrating Brucie's goals against Sheff Wed.

I actually like the glazers to be honest, I think they are top owners, yeah they've added debt but when have they denied us a player? We just won't be held to ransom over stupid wages and rightly so! Love united love glazers

Big Mac

Shappy,

What a brilliant post, I've tried to state this many times on this site - NOTHING in life is black and white, let alone in football. Everything is all shades of grey. People who state their opinion as 100% fact show that they can't see both sides of an argument, they only see their own. That's when I know not to take someone's word as gospel!

05 Jul 2013 16:32:02
Listening to Moyes press conference people who were criticising moyes for letting rene go from the coaching staff, now know that he asked him to stay and rene decided to leave himself.

That's always been clear, some people just like to moan!

05 Jul 2013 16:30:15
A very nicely handled press conference there Mr Moyes! Very confident and assured, things still don't seem quite right about Rooney though.

Love the way Moyes keeps referring to himself in the third person. David Moyes is going to do what David Moyes is going to do.

Sligo Red

05 Jul 2013 16:09:41
Rooney not for sale and will remain at Utd-official Moyes press confrence

05 Jul 2013 16:09:01
Would people be happy with a midfield of Carrick partnered with one of Jones, Strootman, Kondogbia, Anne Other or whoever signs and then infront of them Kagawa in the hole, with Thiago on the right and Anderson on the left and van Persie upfront. Still leaves plenty of players for cover and rotation and wouldn't block the kids.

No. Jones is not utd standard as a midfielder. don't know who Anne other plays for. why do you want to play a central midfielder on the right wing?

05 Jul 2013 15:50:01
I reckon there should be a swap deal put in place with Everton either Fellaini or Baines for Rooney works for both clubs. What is other people's thoughts on this?

There is no way Everton will be able to afford his ridiculous wages

JS

Everton won't pay the wages Rooney is on and Rooney won't go to a team that isn't playing CL football.

KB

I wouldn't swap Rooney for Baines AND Fellaini.

Sydney!

And where would Everton find £200,000+ a week for him?

05 Jul 2013 13:46:26
Just a quick question for Sydney! if you're about mate. Out of all the proposed targets we've been discussing on here for the past few months, including the Ed's predictions, who do you think we will more than likely sign come the beginning of the season? I thought with the tour commencing next week, we would of concluded some deals to allow the new players to integrate. Thanks in advance

I think the two most likely right now is Garay & Thiago. But it can change so quickly.

Sydney!

Strootman may still sign for us.

05 Jul 2013 13:20:42
Hello Guys. How're you all. Can somebody tell me why Man United sold Mats Daelhi. I'm pretty disappointed. because I was expecting him to be in first team in next few seasons. Is There any buy back clause in his contract. ?

Saher Baloch

He wanted to go back home to Norway. Rumours suggest there is a buyback clause installed into his Molde contract. I don't think anyone will know for sure.

Sydney!

Nobody knows all the details but I would assume he wants first team action (which he would not have got during the next 1/2 seasons at United) and I also assume there will be a mechanisim (clause?) so we can get him back if he does well and he wants to come back. He has only signed a 2 year deal I think.

HB

Why don't you ask "your guy", sydney ha ha ha ha {Ed007's Note - Still not managed to read yet I see.}

I wouldn't be to concerned, he has moved to Molde where Solskjaer will be managing him and developing him. It was Solskjaer who recommended United to Daehli and Daheli to United so I think a couple of years there of senior football guided by Solskjaer and if he develops how we all believe he will we will have a buy back clause or first option on him and if neither of these are in place, Solskjaer will always give us the upper hand and I don't think Daehli left under a cloud. Could well be a good decision by the lad.

The rumours around Manchester is homesickness. But they are just rumours. Everyone was very shocked at this and didn't see it coming. There were rumours, but everyone thought it was a loan move. Daehli himself kept it pretty quiet from what I hear. Many U18 players had no idea.

Sydney!

There is an interview with him from some norweigan paper on redcafe. he says there is a buy back and why he moved

Correction.

It is:

*Why not ask you ask your guy Sydney!*

"why do not you" doesn't make sense.

if you're going to take the p1ss at least get it right!

Ha ha ed007, there are some seriously dim people in this world :-)

Brendan81

05 Jul 2013 15:30:44
Bond maybe Mr Plum only passed basic reading?

05 Jul 2013 12:37:21
Are the Dutch or French league fixtures available yet? Planning a holiday and thought might try and catch a game.

Google?

Brendan81

Get over to Amsterdam who cares if there's a game on lol.

05 Jul 2013 15:33:18
they are on espn. I'd recommend amsterdam in the spring not the autumn its freezing.

I nl booked my stag to fan hoping to he t to an ajax game again. Have to settle for Almere city v Achilles 29!

Ms85

05 Jul 2013 12:27:52
Todays press conference with the new manager and club captain Vidic should be interesting should shed some light on who we are after I was under the impression that Garay was on the horizon but if Vids is still club captain and Rio who was outstanding last year and Evans and Smalling and Jones so I ask why do we still want him maybe its a smoke screen for who we really are after or is one of the five leaving for pastures new. Katef

Garay is earmarked as a replacement for Ferdinand next summer. He is not a Moyes target, MU have been monitoring him for a while. It is no smokescreen. It may mean Jones will play regularly in midfield next season. Ferdinand staying on isn't just for footballing reasons, he is a big character in the dressing room and with there being such big changes this season he will add some stability.

Sydney!

05 Jul 2013 10:53:27
What happened to our links with the Quintero kid from Colombia? I hope we sign him because Porto seem to have a deal in place. Eds any knowledge about the matter?

This one baffles me to. Reports that he's going to Porto for 10 million and Man United have not joined in is crazy.

Even if the player is concerned with playing time a deal to loan him out immediately could have been agreed. You just don't let talents like this slip through your hands.

KB

05 Jul 2013 10:31:45
Hearing the odds on Baines to Spurs have been cut. Is there any truth in it? Are United still interested?

RedDub

05 Jul 2013 11:03:36
"Syd
Or maybe we sounded him out and found out he wasn't interested.
Or we bought rvp instead
jred"

I missed your reply regarding Lewandowski. It is certainly looking like Lew is holding out for the BM move and maybe refusing to join us for that very reason. We will not bid for a player unless they want to join the club. If he is holding out for BM then it would be pointless us making a bid now for him to reject it. If he is open to a move to OT then we may not have made our move yet due to bigger priorities (Ronaldo). Waiting to see what happens there perhaps? Or we may not be permitted by the Glazers to move for him until the Rooney situation has been sorted out. Personally I think it's because he is holding out for BM and not available to us yet.

Sydney!

05 Jul 2013 11:22:55
Don't expect any big name signings as the glazers run the club as a business, they are not sugar daddies. They spent big on rvp last year so this could be a quiet window. andog

Gotta spend money to make money.

rddu

Spent big on RVP?! Yeah it was a big fee for a 29 year old, but United are one of the top three teams in the world and have turnover in excess of £800m a year, so spending £24m on a player is not what you call "big business".
They will recoup a lot in shirt sales and other merchandise etc.
Bayern are buying double that amount every year. If we want to be the best team, then we have to invest.

Nike make all the money from shirt sales not the club. andog

Or £315m.

Sydney!

05 Jul 2013 09:34:07
Very much looking forward to the managers press conference. I hope he comes across as strong and confident. I also hope the club have enough respect to not talk about or announce new players. Hopefully that is to come early next week!

Also, don't want to come across as a bit hopeful, but is MUTV not showing rather a lot of Ronaldo at the moment?

Fresh, have you read the 'Ronaldo transfer latest' article on MufcLatest? I know its personter but it is an interesting read. Might be rubbish, might have some truth. I'm with you though, I would love to see him back.

Brendan81

I will read :)

Certainly makes for an interesting read and I must say that I do agree with all of it!

05 Jul 2013 08:50:22
In case you didn't know, you can watch Moyes first press conference on sk. why sports at 4pm today. Personally don't think it will be any more than a question and answer session. I don't think we will be announcing anything transfer wise and Moyes, I think, will just reiterate that Rooney is not for sale, as even if he is, we aren't going to say anything different.

Brendan81

That what I call funny

05 Jul 2013 08:22:56
David Moyes is set to announce that Wayne Rooney is staying at Old Trafford when he faces the media today for the first time since becoming Manchester United manager
oyes and the club's new chief executive Ed Woodward are understood to have held clear-the-air talks with England striker Rooney and his representative Paul Stretford and accepted that the player did not ask for a move in a meeting with Sir Alex Ferguson in April.

United have always maintained Rooney is not for sale, but he is keen for them to make it clear to supporters he did not request a transfer to avoid a backlash next season.

05 Jul 2013 10:47:45
Too little too late. Whilst he's on the pitch in the shirt fair enough he will get a minimum of support. But the sooner he is gone the better for the club.

05 Jul 2013 05:31:32
I fear that chelski have learnt fron saf in regards to early dealings in the market and giving them a full pre season together just like we did last year for example. I hope dm hurrys up and signs some players soon and does not leave it till later in the window. Although i'm sure everthing will be ok.

05 Jul 2013 02:51:06
Anybody considered that the possible signing of garay could mean that's moyes sees phil jones as a midfielder.
I think phil is very similar to David luiz in the sense he isn't quite one or the other but is still a fantastic player. Who knows what moyes thinks?

05 Jul 2013 00:23:47
A lot of people have suggested that we sell Nani and sign a winger like Sanchez or Di Maria. However, I had a look at a few statistics and they are very interesting.

Nani has scored 44 goals for at 4. 8 games per goal and has created 60 goals at 3. 6 games per assist.

Sanchez has scored 49 for Barca and Udinese at 4. 1 games per goal and has created 43 goals at 4. 7 games per assist.

Di Maria has scored 44 goals for Real and Benfica at 5. 9 games per goal and has created 79 goals at 3. 3 games per assist.

This means Nani is in the middle for both goals and assists, which suggests if he finds his form wingers is not quite so much of a problem.

From what I've seen both Sanchez and di Maria can be just as frustrating as Nani and neither would be my 1st choice for a new winger. However I feel as if I have spent most of my life watching Nani swing corners right onto the 1st defenders head and I want him gone asap.

Jaxer

I've thought maybe under a new manager he can become that unplayable winger we once knew! I think he was always afraid of being dropped with SAF which made him indecisive and lack that cutting edge you have when you're confident. He does have amazing skills and still only 26.

Ozwald

Gilly

It would be a big IF Nani finds his form. He has had many chances none of which he has taken and I think it is time to move on

05 Jul 2013 11:11:57
Nani has been here for 6 years and has found 6-12 months worth of form in that time. Other than that he has been poor. that's why he will be finding himself a new club this summer.

Jaxer, my thoughts exactly. how many more goals might we have scored if only nani could have performed the basic requirement of taking a corner which is to get the ball into the bloody box?

when the centre forwards have to take the corners isn't that some kind of clue that the wingers and mid fielders might just be a bit useless?

oh look! Manchester utds wingers and mid fielders are all a bit rubbish. what a surprise! (Carrick excepted)

05 Jul 2013 00:01:00
Thought our staff would end up being Everton Pt. II but i'm actually impressed.