Manchester United Banter Archive September 05 2012

 

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05 Sep 2012 21:57:25
What about cesc to replace scholes? Jabba

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I've been thinking about it all morning, the more I think about it the better it sounds. He would be perfect!

Anon

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Who honestly believes Cesc will join us?

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05 Sep 2012 21:15:09
Couple of points that will improve our team.
1. Moutinho will be the perfect midfielder we are looking for. He can pass, tackle, shoot. He controlled the midfield when Spain played Portugal in the semi's. No mean task.
2. Mike phelan must be replaced with a coach who is tactically aware. I watched phelan when he played for United and he was useless. What does he bring to our team? Nothing. I have been a united season ticket holder since 1970 and he is one of the worst coaches we have had.

First time poster so shoot me if u want!

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I'll shoot you ha welcome to the site firstly and now down to business I think moutinho is good player but he ain't all tat I must watched diff game I don't think he ran mid at all .. if he was that good he wouldn be playing his prime years in Portugal which he is doing now .. don't get me wrong good player but not on same bracket as a scholes a xavi a pirlo .. just my view I'd class cabaye as moutinho class
redfire

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He probably plays his part Phelen (i hope) but agreed he is the worst we have had, well he seems to contribute nothing tactically.

If you look on the united website in the staff section, most if not all of coach's etc have previous ties to man utd, now this isn't a negative i just think sometimes in carries too much leverage in the hiring process. Maybe there are better candidates out there without united history, would it be such a bad thing?

What does this spell for SAF's replacement, will he have to have united ties/history to be considered?

It seems to have work for Barca most recently with Pep and time will tell with Tito Vilanova.

I hope not though it has to be the special one for me. United's history and his character make for a potent mix.

Cban

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05 Sep 2012 20:48:31
Such is the MASSIVE draw of the scousers that Micheal Owen prefers to go to Stoke and Del Piero prefers to go to the Ausiie League! A big club ... don't make me laugh!
Mike B

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05 Sep 2012 20:01:30
i am getting the feeling that the glazers are not that popular ! remember people be kind leeches have feelings too ;p

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05 Sep 2012 19:19:43
Many people (including me) were very disappointed that witsel signed for zenit and not us but wasn't it kind of obvious he wouldn't move when Alexander buttner was given the no.28 shirt (which witsel wore at benfica)

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So Van Persie hasn't actually come to United as Rooney wears the 10 which he wore at Arsenal?

Welsh Dragon

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What the hell do shirt numbers have to do with transfers? Shirt numbers are not a given at any club.....what a stupid post.

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Sorry can't afford your transfer fee or ur wages after splashing the cash on van the man but we'll give you the no 28, wanna sign for us
Malky

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05 Sep 2012 19:03:52
I can't believe that Stoke have been stupid enough to give that Scouse Dwarf a contract. I still bow my head in shame to think that he was ever allowed to wear the red shirt and I nearly had a heart attack this week when I read that Sir Alex had tried to sign Stevie Me for the club. Sir Alex has always known how despised they are at our club and has done a brilliant job in smashing them to pieces. I realise that signing the Dwarf was more to do with talking horses in the morning at training than football but did you have to let him wear the red shirt. Please don't come on hear and bleat about a goal against City. If Norman had been on the pitch or Robbo they would have got a punch in somewhere during the celebrations. You were never welcome you little scouse dwarf you will not be missed and you are a stain on our clubs history. I AM KLOOT

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Recently rft is talking more and more sense

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Thats rather harsh kloot

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Sometimes Kloot you can be a fool. I couldn't give a stuff who they played for. Rooney is a scouser but he wanted to play for us. Owen was great for us when he was fit, if Gerrard had come to us and done the business, I would have cheered him. You need to take the chips off your shoulder ands get a life.

AJH

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Ha your post almost made me p%$ myself :):) i take it you didnt agree with the owen signing then? i hear we have 1st refusal if stoke market him ;)

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He gave 100% every time he wore our red shirt, more than can be said about some players, so get a life.
RED.AL.

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Oh give it a rest.

Whistler.

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In other news Kloot is pleased to announce his new job as Middle east peace Envoy.

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I AM KLOOT you are a massive stain on the fan base that is Manchester United. It's your bigotted ideals that give fans a bad name.
Owen would be more welcome with United fans than you anyday.....and you know it.

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You haven't got a KLOOT

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Klooty boy - you've forgotten your medication again!

mike

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I agree fully KLOOT. Owen refused to swap shirts with an Aldershot player last season. He's an a55hole.

G.A.G.U.S

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No united fan "is a massive stain on the fan base", have a quiet word with yourself no name.

Supasub

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Owen was a good player. Gave Hernandez some great tips and the younger lads have said they have all learnt something about making space in the box. In my eyes, Owen was never made to feel unwelcome. Eyebrows were raised because he had a bad injury record, not because he played for Liverpool. That was because his class could never be doubted.
KLOOT/RFT/JACKANORY/BATMAN

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So does that mean that Sir Matt Busby was a stain on this club too RFT? Or is he ok because of the success that he brought our club? In which case you're an embarrassement for basing your views on success, especially considering you like to harp on about following the club through the hard times. If any player CHOOSES to play for our club then, whether they are successful or not, they deserve some level of respect.

TK-Red

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So you all respect tevez ?
johndenton

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Whilst at the club I'm sure we did. Difference being that Tevez's words and actions after leaving the club have lost him that respect, Owen has done nothing to deserve such treatment.

TK-Red

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05 Sep 2012 18:37:05
I can reveal the reason Sydney is so quiet is that he is locked away in a hotel discussing personal terms with SAF. Yes, he is our new midfield general, the answer to the Scholes / Keane replacement question. Syd can pass, tackle, track back, surge forward, good with either foot and outstanding with his head. The history of Man United continues - Edwards, Robson, Keane, Scholes, Sydney...

AJH

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Just heard the same, have you ever seen his infamous 'triple back summersault with a pike' celebration? It's crazy

Gav

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I'd rather have Syd than Mike Phelan or Martin Ferguson though.

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Sydney would no doubt be more effective than some of the **** we've currently got in midfield.
RedSince68

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05 Sep 2012 17:53:43
Guys just heard some interesting information, Out of all teams in the world Manchester United have came second for percentage of pass completion, Bayern Munich being first and followed by Swansea, Juventus, Manchester City and Barcelona. 89.9% of our passes have been completed already this season.

Surprised me to be honest, You can use this information for back up to any points you have now.

I don't know if this will be useful to anyone but I thought I would share it with you all.

-JakeW

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Not really surprising when we just pass the ball back and forth to each other in our own half. Lies Damm Lies and Statistics. I AM KLOOT

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That statistic was done before the Southampton game... I expect our percentage will have dropped quite a bit as we were awful with our passes at times

RedKnight

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OK. Lets get the same stats for passes completed in the opposition's half! I'll eat the server this site is hosted on if we are anwhere near second place then!!
Timbo

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I believe it was 88% at Southampton game.

Mike

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05 Sep 2012 17:32:08
It wouldnt suprise me if United put the story in the press about Neymar to keep the fans sweet. Dont believe the hype. Glazers are money grabbing leaches.

Bodgerico

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What is the matter with you? We have just invested in the squad with some class signings. Kagawa is outstanding and exactly what we have missed for several seasons and RVP is footballer of the year and already showing his class. Geez I despair at you football Manager types.

Manchester United are THE biggest club in the world and despite what misinformed people think they know what they are doing.

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God forbid that United should allow a story about them bidding a large amount of money for a football that didn't come off. That is a terrible suggestions about such wonderful owners. I AM KLOOT

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These stories always seem to come out after deadline day. United wait till the last minute to make a massive bid for a world star or other rubbish. We didn't need another striker. We needed midfielders and a centre back who isn't injury prone or full back taller than three feet tall.

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Exactly, they know what they are doing.....just where was he going to play?? Who was he going to drop for him?? Kanawha, RVP? Rooney? They know what they are doing because they signed new sponsorship deals, sold 10 per cent of the club, spent no money in reality and convinced fans that we had. Fergie has made some good signings but don't be fooled by the propaganda!!
Bodgerico

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Bodgerico,

How did we sign the players exactly without spending any money? Nice of wenger to just give us rvp for free huh, seems a bit strange man.

United have come out and officially denied the story saying its not true, if you think what you said through it actually makes no sense. Gave klooty something to agree with to add to his bigoted Liverpool post above though.

GDS

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Incomings greater than outgoings is how they spent no money and still managed to pay themselves a nice big fat cheque. Do you think United could be lying?? Heaven forbid they have thought how to do that!! If it wasnt for fergie working wonders wed be in big trouble. Just remember everytime you spend money on United it goes towards the Glazers having a debt free asset of 1.5b. Id prefer it if it went to the club. Dont let them fool you that they want whats best for the football club, they want wants best for the business.

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05 Sep 2012 17:31:24
Situation for you all, I know highly unlikely, would you rather lose Rooney to City and get Ronaldo back, or see Ronaldo move to City?

RMD

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Hard one, but If it meant Ronaldo coming back and scoring all those goals for us. I would unfortunately let Rooney got to City to see Ronaldo come back.

-JakeW

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Would never want to sell Rooney to City but if that highly unlikely situation were to occur I would have to take Ronaldo and let Rooney go. For starter's Ronaldo is clearly one of the best 2 footballers on earth, so is better than Rooney 1 for 1. Perhaps even more important though - Ronaldo is an exemplary athlete and I feel he will retain a high standard of performance to an older age than Rooney will manage, for this reason. I do worry that Rooney will start to fade quickly into his 30's; he's played an awful lot of games since a young age, especially in the last 3 years and seems to struggle to retain his fitness during downtime

Gav

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Let Rooney go and have Ronaldo back. So long as Rooney didnt go to City then we would be strengthening without helping City. If we kept Rooney and Ronaldo went to City then they would become very hard to beat indeed.

TK-Red

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Cheers mate, I agree to if i'm being honest.

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I'd take Rooney to City myself in this situation. Ronaldo is twice the player.

RedDevil19

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Rooney to city definitely cos not only is ronaldo better, city would probably buy another 6 strikersany way, rooney would get rotated and he would leave.
nov00

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05 Sep 2012 17:28:33
Porto bought Falcao, Hulk, Mierles, Guarin, Pepe, Anderson, Deco, Boswinga, Perreira, Carvalho, Bruno Alves, Quaresma, lopez for 51 mil and sold them for 352 million.

really would like to see the scouts at porto and benfica at united.

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These clubs buy the players when they are Teens or early 20's, Yes they all become world class but it takes a lot of time for them to develop. They also got starting 11 spots all the time.

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You need to also factor in all those they have bought and not made it.

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It is also easier for Portuguese clubs to sign South American players as they do not need to rely on work permits!

This is why United try and form good links/relationships with these clubs.

Believe me, if the Porto scouts are aware of these players, SAF is as well!

Ports

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Also they are the only realistic title challengers in the league and have no real champions league ambitions so their is less pressure and as said more time to develop. time that isn't here but pressure is.

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05 Sep 2012 17:27:22
Now I know transfers aren't as easy as this, however I am hoping we are busy over the next year. I personally think there is between 35 - 40 million left over. The money we intended to spend on Moura or Hazard. Although I feel if we signed Hazard Nani would have left I do not think if we signed Moura that Nani would have left. I think Fergie wouldn't want to have rushed Moura in.
So taking that into consideration we have a significant amount of money available that I feel we need to invest into the midfield. Now currently our first team midfield is Carrick, Anderson, Cleverley, Scholes and Giggs. Now I think that is a very below standard midfield. Those players are the ones we would be playing in a midfield 2 behind our attack. Now Scholes and Giggs will be leaving next season and I feel Anderson may have to be sold if he doesnt step up. So taking that into consideration I feel we need 2 midfielders. I am hoping we sign atleast 1 this january but can not see it happening. Now I personally would sign 2 so we can replace Giggs and Scholes gradually as the season comes to an end. I would sign M'Vila as he is available for very little in comparison to other players and I would also sign Moutinho to play beside him. So we would have a first choice midfield of Moutinho and M'Vila and Carrick and Cleverley to cover for them, then we can bring through Petrucci and Tuncliffe through to add more cover.
Now I feel that would sort out the midfield with just two signings in midfield in January. Now next summer I would go all out to sign Ronaldo if he is available. From the looks of it our budget is between 40-50 million annually so if we sold Nani and spent all of it, I think we could get Ronaldo. Now that would leave us with a perfect team but I think we should replace Evra and to raise funds I would sell him and Anderson and that should be enough for a good replacement like Izaguirre or Baines with probably money left over. Now with 4 signings I think we would have arguably the best team in the world and the only way I could think of improving it is if sold Young and used the left over money to sign someone like Muniain. Now how good of a team would this be with only 5 signings.
..................De Gea
Rafael....Smalling....Vidic.....Izaguirre/Baines
...........Moutinho.....M'Vila
Ronaldo........Rooney..........Muniain
.....................RVP
Now obviously I am extremely optimistic but I think we need something like this done. We can all see other teams are improving around us and if someone in that attack is not playing well then we would just bring in Kagawa and Valencia or even Hernandez and Welbeck.
It would also allow Fergie one more year to try and go for atleast one more champions league. Now obviously thats what I would do and hope for but whats everyone else hoping for?
The Red Manc
ps am bored and have had nothing to do all day for once lol

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Looks amazing, however it is massively unlikely. We could get Ronaldo and I think perhaps Eriksen rather than M'Vila/Moutinho.

RedDevil19

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Makes me feel slightly ill... "look how good our team could be if we signed half a new team for £200m" ... Think you should go sign for City or Chelski supporters club, I hear they're paying good rates.

(I particularly like the way you've omitted Kagawa and Valencia - well done!)

DodgyBanter

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The only way we are getting ronaldo is if we sell rooney. I also think fabio will be ready come next season so there will be no need to buy a lb..

so whilst far fetched.... rooney, nani & anderson + £50m out for ronaldo, muniain, moutinho & M'vila in would make for a very good looking team.....

..................De Gea
Rafael....Smalling....Vidic.....Fabio
...........Moutinho.....M'Vila
Ronaldo........Kagawa..........Muniain
.....................RVP

Oxred {Ed004's Note - I like the look of that team lol. However I think a left back will be needed and am not sure Fabio is ready for our left back position}

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I was intending to post about buying M'vila and Moutinho as well, as I reckon with them we would have arguably one of the best midfields in the world, in terms of first choice players. They would offer the defence protection and would be able to play incisive, creative passes to start attacks quickly, which is something I feel we have lost in recent years, bar Scholes.

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Ed04.. I think if Fabio stays fit and plays the majority of QPR's games this season, I think it would be worth the risk..

he has already played every minute for them and although they have conceded a bit he has looked good.

Oxred

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05 Sep 2012 16:58:24
G.A.G.U.S do you believe everting tha is wrriten or on sky.
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Where did I say I believed it?

G.A.G.U.S

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05 Sep 2012 16:14:26
Who was asking for me? LOL. I'm back anyway, not had a computer for a few days. Some very interesting storyies have come out during the time i've been away. Firstly, welcome Angelo Henriquez, I think he is going to be a star.

Secondly, the big story - RONALDO. I have a good feeling about this one, even though I desperatly want him back, I think that it is possible. It seems to be that we probably have around £30-£40 million for the right player if we agree with a valuation for them. To get Ronaldo, we'd probably need around £70 million as he is older now so will not command quite as large a fee. One of the best options I feel is in January, offer £40 million plus Nani - that could well work. Another option is to raise the money next summer by selling Young or someone like Rooney. There are a multitude of options available to us to raise the cash - but i'm sure even the Glazers would make the cash availabel due to the high revenue that Ronaldo would bring back to the club. A front four of Rooney, RVP, Kagawa and Ronaldo would be incredible with men like Valencia etc to come in.

If he did come in, then I think he'd get the number 9 shirt which is currently vacant. He wouldn't get the 7 as we won't take it off of Valencia.

RedDevil19

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I have missed you posting a different team and formation every day haha

RMD

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Who would buy rooney? the only team that could afford him now is psg.

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I think Ronaldo's behaviour after his 2 goals was terrible. Ok, he has a big issue with the club and he says it's not about money. What possible reason could it be for him not to celebrate with his colleagues? I think it shows a total lack of respect to his teammates, and I must emphasise the word TEAM. It also shows a total lack of respect to the thousands of fans who pay to watch him play, it is they who pay for his obscene wages. I really don't understand how a problem with the club can stop a player celebrating a goal. Does anyone have and idea of the true reason? Eds?
He is a Drama Queen anyway. It's all about Ronaldo and how good he looks and what awards he wins. I really do think he was disgusted in Iniesta winning the lastest bulls**t award.
Do I want him back? Honestly - for his wages - no. I'd rather have 2/3 world-class players for his transfer fee and wages. If I was an united player I wouldn't want him back either because he never helps the team. He never tracks back or works hard for his team-mates.
It all me, me, and more me with him.
Sorry for the rant but he had his time at United and chose to leave us.

J Bones. {Ed004's Note - Why would he celebrate with his team mates if it is then that he has fallen out with. I personally would take him back in a heart beat and dont think we should be making judgements unless we know the fully story tbh}

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Exactly, we don't know any facts at all. People are assuming that it is money based - I personally don't buy this. Ed is right in that he won't celebrate with people he has fallen out with. I'd take him back - everyone loved him while he was here, why the negativity.

RedDevil19

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Why is his behaviour terrible? So he didnt run off shouting and jumping about? So what? Balotelli does similar when he scores and he claims it is because its his job to score goals. Atleast Ronaldo has a valid reason, or I think he does anyway. I'm with Ed004. I would carry Ronaldo all the way from Madrid on my back if it meant him coming home.

TK-Red

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I know people loved him here. I loved him when he was here. He is unstoppable when he gets going and is second only to Messi as the best player in the world.
However, I don't think he is a team player and believe he always puts himself first.
I really don't care why he has problems at Real and I honestly think it would be better to buy 2/3 players instead of blowing a fortune on him if he became available.

J Bones.

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05 Sep 2012 15:55:59
Why he didn't we go after Giroud at under 13m quid? He's class... and young as well.
RVP good and all, but 24m for a 29 yr old with documented history of injury and no re-sale value? Would really have preferred Giroud and Leandro Damioa for that money.
Hate to say it but Arsenal must be laughing their tits out.
Yet again Arsene's done it again. Will be genuine contender for title.

roshi reddevil 4 life till dead

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Giroud is pants in comparison to RVP, what are you talking about? You sound like an Arsenal fan.

RedDevil19

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I hope for your sake that you're a Troll. Nobody could be that deluded. It's not even worth detailing why. I'm sure a few on here will indulge you, though.

BornInToIt

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Roshi Reddevil 4 life till dead

Are you serious with this post??
Have you seen Giroud's performances for Arsenal in the last two games??
Not to mention his glaring two misses in his last two games.
Thank god you don't have any say on who comes into our club!

Simmo

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Yeah cos your not an arsenal fan... person..

giroud is rubbish, can't hit a barn door with a machine gun.

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I take it you've missed MOTD during the 1st couple weeks of the season then? ; )

Also - how does one "laugh their tits out"? Intruiging

Gav

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This is why I'm addicted to this site... Deluded OP's like this!! LOL!

DodgyBanter

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05 Sep 2012 15:51:00
ed, sorry if this has been answered before by you but i have tried the search function and can't find a full answer.

how will the new FFP rules effect man city and chelsea? will it stop them spending 50M plus every season, or doesn't it affect the transfer dealings?

thanks

JK92 {Ed002's Note - I don't have the time to explain this now but don't worry about it just yet.}

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05 Sep 2012 15:32:08
Talk sport, say zenit are going to bid 25 mill for nani, are they able to sign him even tho our deadline is done.

Cause theres doesn't shut till tomorrow?

MUFC90

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Yes they are allowed to buy from the PL

Gav

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05 Sep 2012 15:28:34
Angelo Henriquez is now officially a RedDevil.

Welcome to the family...

*Reddy

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05 Sep 2012 15:18:37
a website and marca showed some interesting stats today regarding the top earners in football.
(all in mil euros)

samuel eto'o 20
zlatan ibra 14.5
wayne rooney 13.8
yaya toure 13
sergio aguero 12.5
drogba 12
torres 10.8
dario conca 10.6
lionel messi 10.5
cristiano ronaldo 10

so i think it's pretty obvious the whole ronaldo situation is about money. he sees himself as such an important player for the club that he should be earning more, which he has a point. It will be interesting to see what will happen in a year and halfs time when the tax for foreign players in spain will go up to over 40%. which will mean real madrid will have to pay him 25mil a year just to balance the difference. problem is no club has yet to enquire about ronaldo and who will be able to pay his wages seeing as he probably wont move unless he's getting more money.

sulei

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I don't think its about money.

RedDevil19

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If you were ronaldo you are at least the 2nd best player in the world yet you are the 10th best payed. makes sense to want more also dont forget the tax increase in a year and half. people were saying that hes not valued like the spanish players at real were happy iniesta got it. some rumours is that there is a divide in the squad. either way he will only leave if he gets payed more and seeing as he has a billion euro clause in his contract no team will enquire about him unless real want to sell, and if they did with 3 years on his contract left real will want atleast the £80mil they payed for him if not more.
So dont think he'll be coming back here.

sulei

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I think it was something to do with the anniversary of his dads death, not entirely certain though. Possibly he wants more money though, as he could easily have said he was sad before the transfer window closed which might have caused a team to move for him there and then

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His father passes away on the 6th of september so that is not the case.

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Is Rooney really on a higher wage than Messi and Ronaldo? I'm surprised if that is the case. If so, is it because of the relative tax implications between Spain/Britain? i.e. do they actually 'take home' more than Rooney?

Gav

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05 Sep 2012 14:50:32
Henriquez-Official.
on the website now.
jersey no. 21 :)

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But thats fabios old number

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Fabio will probably get No 3 next season, and evra will move to france..Buttner has to prove this season that he can fight for No 1 spot for RB with Fabio

MD_11

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Fabio will be the next number 3

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Rafael's old number actually.

G.A.G.U.S

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05 Sep 2012 12:59:03
I have a question on the recent russian clubs and their buying. How are they conforming to the FP rules that is coming in. I would think their revenues is a fraction of the bigger clubs in Europe, does this mean they get booted out of CL. Shahram {Ed002's Note - It is not as simple as that Shahram. One club has says it has no interest in following the rules and is happy not to be in the CL. The others will broadly comply.}

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Doesn't make much sense to me in paying big sums to sign good players if your not going to compete in the champions league, even discounting the financial rewards on offer which they may not be interested in surely the point of signing top players is to challenge for the top prizes? Thats where the fun is and its where the top players want to compete.

Which club Ed? Zenit or Anzhi? {Ed002's Note - Anzhi.}

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Surely soon to be followed by Zenit - their ground is not much bigger than QPR's and I can not see them generating enough revenue (legitimately) to meet the requirements.
Talking of their ground and St Petersburg - I wonder If Hulk and Witsel have been there in Winter ( about 40% of the year) !!??
It is COLD very COLD and the ground crap and the general standard of football baaaddd.

My they thought they were going to play in the other St Petersburg (Florida)? - They are in for a shock! - The the local "talent" is very talented - if you know what I mean :)

Mike

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05 Sep 2012 12:57:10
Just read the witsel news. Incredible how they signed him for 7 mill and sold him for 40 mill. Although i don'e for one minute believe he is worth 40 million, We would be on the phone and hiring Benfica's scouts and sacking some of our. It is sad that we have to fork out obscene amounts of money for talent that seemingly is out there at a fraction of what we pay but seem to go be sleeping at the wheel. Shahram

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Think about it this way we got Hernandez for £6 mill and after his 1st season Real were rumoured to want him for £30 mill. We got Ronaldo for £12 mill he sold for £80 mill. We bought Vidic for £6-7 mill if we had sold him say 2 years ago, he'd have gone for nearer to £30. Some players improve massively no matter where they play.

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05 Sep 2012 13:21:00
Am I the only one who still sees something in Anderson, talent wise. I just don't understand how people can call him crap and would struggle in the lower divisions. Anderson has has a very unlucky career so far with the injuries. But can anyone else remember his first few seasons with us, when fit he was a energetic skillful player. Him and Cleverly need to do well this season and I believe if they both stay fit we would the have a great partnership in the middle.

Also It would be great to see Fletcher back by the end of the season, may not be the worlds best CM but he can get the job done, we need someone like him in our midfield sooner or later.

-JakeW

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There are more that think hes useless than think hes great

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I don't remember that Jake.
I remember 5 or 6 good performances in his 6 year stint at Old Trafford which isn't really good enough is it?
Lets not forget that he cost us 20 million which is a very poor return.
He had potential and never fulfilled it.
He will be remembered for being overweight, constantly being injured and crashing his big expensive car.

Simmo

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I don't think any real United fan would ever suggest Fletch is useless, surely?

GDS

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I'm not sure any professional player at any professional club would get away with being overweight.

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What - apart from Rooney?

Mike

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Anderson is a fat person who is totally unprofessional.
How many good matches has he played for us? He is highly overated. And who the hell will pay £5m for him now, he is useless.

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Fletcher not useless, not as good as SAF thinks he is but certainly not useless.
RedSince68

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05 Sep 2012 13:18:43
Well for all of those who wondered about Henriquez. The answer to your questions is just 3 weeks away.


Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson plans to introduce three of his summer signings after the international break.

United brought in Nick Powell, Alexander Buttner and Chilean striker Angelo Henriquez, who all look set to make their debuts in the eye-catching Carling Cup tie with Newcastle at Old Trafford on September 26.

"I think that will be the route," Ferguson told Inside United.

"(Henriquez) is strong with great shoulders on him for a boy of 18.

"He's coming into training with the first team, like Nick Powell. Nick's doing very well. He's a very good player and maybe Buttner depending on how he has progressed with the first team."

Oxred

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Great news Oxred. Hopefully they can all have a good game to give themselves confidence. The Cup is a great way to introduce new/young players. I hope Buttner in particular can 'hit the ground running' and put some pressure on Evra!
BTW, good catch with my 10 players for the '08 team the other day.

J Bones.

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Cheers for sharing, I hadn't seen this. Love seeing our talented youngsters given a chance

Gav

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05 Sep 2012 11:42:50
I think I'll leave this anon...

What about a cheeky deal for Nigel Reo Coker, he's a free agent so no risk in terms of signing fee. At 28 is in the prime of his career and in my opinion would be good cover for our fairly thin looking midfield?

He was the England under 21's captain for yonks and always looked a decent player in poor West Ham and Villa sides, covers a lot of ground and could be a good foil for the likes of Cleverly.

Certainly a few question marks over his quality but worth a punt at 40k a week...I certainly think so!

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This is the most laughable post I have seen yet ! Reo-Coker has looked terrible his whole career, he reminds me of Carlton Palmer which basically means run around like a headless chicken with no qualities in his play at all.

George

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I can understand the shame you must feel putting this ludicrous suggestion forward, no surprise you bottled on putting your name to this tripe

Pardoe

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Why do you think hes a free agent? not good enough for Villa let alone United

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OMG i can't actually believed that somebody has posted that.

Simmo

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Nice try Nigel ya little chancer. You get an A+ for effort off me!

Mumbles

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I like him as a professional but as a player he doesn't exactly set the world alight.

If we sign a load of players for 'cover' we'll end up like Liverpool did. We need to sign players who are trying to push for the first team.

The Moon.

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How about we re-sign Djemba Djemba?

Simply put, NO!

MDJ

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05 Sep 2012 11:09:27
Where are Sydney! And RedDevil19 these days - both have been quiet! Miss reading their posts as they are some of the only people that talk sense and give food for thought!

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I take it the OP it was either Sydney! or RD19 lol

andydee mufc

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In fairness, there is a lot of posters on here who talk sense,but they are, certainly, one of the most prolific on here.

I disagree with Sydney on some team tactics issues, but when it comes to media speculation on players, he is pretty good at doing the leg work and weeding out the BS.

BornInToIt

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He is sulking because we didn't sell Nani. :)

COME BACK SYD! - we miss you. and you do talk an awful lot of sense (at times).

Mike

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05 Sep 2012 09:53:28
The rumour about Neymar, and the deadline day bid by United has already been rubbished by the father and the club. I suggest that this rumour has been generated to unsettle Rooney, and prompt an exit.

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05 Sep 2012 09:50:09
the answer my friends is staring us right in the face and is only down the road. James McCarthy United's future number 8.

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Give it up ed!

Sanshine

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Sanshine... 007 will try anything to get him here....

oxred

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What is with Ed007 and This lad?! Aha.

-JakeW

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If he does, I don't think we will ever hear the end of it.

Sanshine

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007 is obviously living a double life as a secret agent working for MI6 whilst also working undercover rather un-secretly as James McCarthys' agent!

Flimbo

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05 Sep 2012 06:54:38
Been a while since i've posted so this one will be Shappyesque ;)

Lets start with the positives:-

1. RVP- What a brilliant signing. I'll admit i was one of the doubters of paying that much for him, but i can already see him having a Cantona like presence which SAF mentioned. How intelligent is he, we have dearly missed that since RVN. His first and third goal against Southampton were classic striker's intelligent runs and awareness while the second well, bread and butter, being in the right place. Top player, wayne you better shed those kilos quick or you might be warming the bench for long.

2. Kagawa- Again, a fantastic signing. But i think we need to add a couple of players who complement him with passing and movement with 1 2s being played, something which Red Man has mentioned from the start. His game is based on that, and we will get the best out of him once that is done. He will be a star this year, but next year if we have managed to secure the type of players that get the best out of him, he will be even more effective.

3. Rooney's injury - I see this as a positive, it will allow him to get fit, away from media attention and pressure. Also it gives RVP and Kagawa a chance to settle, and Rooney the kick up the backside he needs to get back firing again.

4. Chicharito - He looked great in the 20mins he came on. Did everything right. Long may it continue.

5. Scholes - Good to see him being used as he should be. An impact sub in the last 20 mins to kill of teams with tired legs and wrestle back control. (He can never be replaced, get over it everyone)

6. The youngsters- I watched Powell in pre season and he looks a top talent. He may need a couple of years but certainly seems like a good box to box midfielder. His awareness of players around him and positioning at this young age is amazing. I've always been a fan of Tunnicliffe and i think him along with Powell will take the EPL by storm in a couple of years time. Why doesn't Petrucci get a regular chance is beyond me.

The negatives :-

1. The defense - Well what on earth is going on in there? We look like Arsenal from a couple of years ago. Great in the final attacking third, but absolutely open at the back. I can sympathize with Rafael for the Southampton goal. There is no way on earth he is winning headers against big guys like Lambert. Vidic or Rio should have switched with him and followed Lambert all the way through. Rafael is an attacking full back who can defend, its about time we start looking at him that way and use him similarly.

Rio and Vidic haven't played together for quite a while and had very little cover. Vidic is back after a horrible injury and is still getting back to match fitness. We should cut them some slack. If its still like this after 5 or 6 games, maybe then we should be a bit more critical. If we go back to 2007-08-09 we played the same back four consistently and that is why we were so good in defense. It hasn't been like that last few years.

Evra, i'm sorry but he has to be replaced, nothing more needs to be said.

2. The midfield - We haven't brought anybody in there other than Powell and it ain't changing until January, pointless talking about ins right now. Lets look at what we have got and how it needs to be used.

I saw a lot of posts having a go at Carrick for slowing the game down. Well there was no movement in front of him, who was he going to pass it quickly to? Wellbeck is wasted on the left, Cleverley instead of moving forward and running on was always waiting sideways of Carrick. The only options were Kagawa or Valencia and the former was very well marked and Valencia usually hugged the touchline. Carrick made a couple of good passes to RVP who was the only real movement and in other cases either kept possession or had to try really difficult passes that didn't come of. No coincidence that with Scholes, Chicharito and Nani on we looked much better, there was better movement!

Cleverley needs to wisen up and start moving forward a bit more.

3. Conceding careless possession, tactically inept - This is our BIGGEST PROBLEM imo. Giving away the ball too cheaply. A lot of throw ins conceded needlessly. A lot of nowhere balls attempted for no reason. Not hunting down in 3s while defending and crowding out the opposition. Not playing in 3s while attacking, one guy making a dummy run for the others to play one twos and create space. Lack of concentration, composure. All this means we give away the ball in good positions and fail to utilize our brilliance in the final third with Kagawa, RVP, Valencia and even Rafael when he pushes on.

This has got nothing to do with lack of quality, but everything to do with a lack of focus, clear thought and attention to detail in training. Welcome into spotlight Mr. Phelan. Sitting there quietly in his chair making no changes, giving no instructions off the touchline as if everything is merry, the guy seems clueless at times while SAF and Rene discuss tactics. We need a new number 2 more than anything, and we need that quick. It will mean SAF openly admitting that his number 2 isn't up to scratch and letting a new mind in to stand up to him and change tactics. Does he have the bottle to do so? We can't bring in players right now, but certainly an assistant.

On the rumours :-

1. Ronaldo - Well if he wants to leave, i am sure we will be up there challenging for his signature, especially if its not for the money but for other reasons which have been discussed. We might have to let go of Rooney to get him though. A front 4 of Ronaldo on the left. RVP through the center, Valencia on the right and Kagawa in behind them would be mouth watering.

2. Neymar - Well that has come out of the blue, but it does make sense if you look at our transfer targets over the last few years. Sanchez, Hazard, Moura among them. Neymar fits the bill and was next in the line. Left sided attacking player to replace Nani. Will he be able to handle the EPL or become a Robinho? That is the big question, but there is no doubting his quality. Probably we should make him our prime target, in a way Bayern made Martinez theirs or Real Madrid made Modric theirs and focus all the budget on him.

Any truth in the Neymar story Ed002?

REDFAITH {Ed002's Note - No, there was no bid from Manchester United. One club made a very significant cash offer and were to told he was not for sale at any price. At least a couple of other offers included players in exchange and third party ownership.}

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I think Chelsea were the cash offer club.

Jono

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I appear to have some competition with regards to length;-) lol.

Shappy {Ed002's Note - It's not the meat, it's the motion Shappy.}

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Good post. I agree with the last point that we do need a new number 2 or a shake-up of the backroom staff at the very least. That will help us utilise the players we have got to the best of their ability.

A couple of points I would like to pick up on; Great in the final attacking third, but absolutely open at the back. I do not know which games you have been watching but we are certainly not great in the final third. In fact, IMO that has been our worst area. We have had over 60% possession in the games so far this season and not created many chances at all! The ball seems to get up to the final third and doesn't penetrate the oppositions back four so is passed sideways from wing to wing.

Rafael is an attacking full back who can defend. Rafael CAN NOT DEFEND! He is great going forwards but I am left constantly frustrated by how many times people have said he is young and still learning or he will learn from that experience and not do it again for the exact same thing to happen again, showing that he is not learning at all. We are Man Utd and need quality players now who can make play at the top level on a consistent basis, not someone who is given chance after chance without proper cover. (I know most will site Evra, and I agree. Look at what has happened there without competition. Afforded the opportunity to constantly make the same mistakes week after week because there is no one else.)

FredtheRed

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So she keeps telling me Ed. Lol.

Shappy

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Great post, dude.

BornInToIt

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Good post, agree with most of it. Although I can't imagine Neymar ever coming to United

Gav

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05 Sep 2012 08:31:47
Despite this being raised by a couple of posters on here recently none of the Ed's seem to have an answer...... maybe they simply don't know, but whats happened to Angelo Henriquez? Has he signed, I've not seen any publicity about it and his name is nowhere on the Utd web site?

J - Stand {Ed002's Note - I have answered this several times and there is absolutely no reason for you to have a dig at the editors. If you were bright enough to use the search function it would not have been difficult to find.}

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05 Sep 2012 07:55:06
More mystery with the signing of Angelo Henriquez, he hasn't been named in the Champions League squad. I know he'd take up a place in the 25 and couldn't be on the B list but still. I wish the club would give some proper clarification on this.

Shappy

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Shappy

Does he have to be registered given he is only 18? I have a feeling he doesn't but sure someone will correct me

Red Man

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He has been entered in the EPL squad

RedKnight

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I think age determines his need to be named Red Man. I'm sure if a certain age by a certain date then outwith academy time they have to be named so maybe he doesn't reach that age yet.

Jono

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He doesn't for the EPL squad but for the champions league everyone has to be entered. But academy players can go on the B list if they have been at the club for more than two years or something. But he isn't in the B list.

Shappy

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05 Sep 2012 07:41:43
ronaldo will not leave real madrid thats rubbish and i think young can play cm with kagawa. val on da right and nani on da left. ronney behind RVP.buttner lb rio and vidic cb and rafael rb thats all.just a thought


come on utd!! ⊙_⊙

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Young and Kagawa in the middle would be like sticking a sharp knife through butter.

-JakeW

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A central midfield of Young and Kagawa?

We would lose every game about 46-10!

GDS

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Jesus,dude ,even Barca play a defensive minded midfielder.

BornInToIt

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05 Sep 2012 07:27:47
What a load of rubbish. There are lots of players in Spanish German or Portuguese leagues who can be as good as Scholesy.
We just need to buy them! Moutinho is a good example"""
dear mr james bond
ngiak thanks you for your support with regard to the "unnamed" bias
ngiak is not biased against unnamed posters actually
but... lo and behold
guess what... the above post is unnamed!
ngiak is certain that either this person was a fan only in the last 2 to 3 years
or is the same person who has not watched any soccer other than youtube snippets like the last unnamed person
scholes has been the best centre midfielder in england for more than 10 years
he had no peer
local or foreign... his only drawback was playing for very poor english teams with players of half his intellect and vision, who could never read his genius
manchester united had these players who knew him well and old trafford was his auditorium where he played his beautiful symphony
vision
range of passing from 1 meter to the length of the field
accurate to the millimeter
hard working and covered the whole field
created not only goals but... beautiful football
and scored screamers at will... perfect timing in shot and run-ins
he is the best player we ever had
and spanish, german or portugese??
are you serious, dear unnamed sir
the "closest" in portugal is moutinho...
and he is not even a fraction of scholes in his prime
the "closest" in spain is iniesta, and he is really close only in the short passing and the movement off the ball, and maybe runs in the box, but his long range ability of passing and shooting, is a fraction of scholes
germany? the likes of goetze and gang? far far away dear sir...
ngiak wonders who is this scholsey that you are referring to?
gan

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Well said gan,

Do you maybe think that when Scholes goes that will be the death of that type of midfielder, bar maybe Xavi and Modric? (i agree none tick all boxes as Paul does)

The game has changed

Cban

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05 Sep 2012 07:16:53
Good to see Owen got a move to a EPL club. Younger players should take note..... This was a young player that they overused and caused burn out by the age of 21. Its a shame, was sure he would beat Sir Bobby's England total.

In his prime, he had the pace, balance and finishing. Now he is a poacher who, if fit, gurantee's goals.

Good luck Michael, I'll never forget your goal against city!!

Jamesmack8

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05 Sep 2012 01:34:42
Maybe we can agree a deal with Santos for next summer? 40m and some deadwood, Macheda and Bebe and a loan deal

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What makes you think santos would want them?

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