Manchester United Banter Archive August 06 2013

06 Aug 2013 23:48:35
Ed's, Have Man United made any enquirys for either of the bender brothers (sven or lars). They both are young, capable and have european experience. {Ed004's Note - Apparently there was interest in Lars at one time I'm not sure if there still is}

06 Aug 2013 22:45:47
Really hope we keep Nani and sell young instead.
i think all nani needs is confidence and moyes to have faith in him and give him games. I think under fergie he felt he was already out.


TRUMORS

IMO Young is not good enough, his level is a mid table club

06 Aug 2013 21:44:51
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06 Aug 2013 21:31:54
Hi, Just wondering what the situation is with David De Gea, He seems to have only played one game since he returned?

TomP

He played a lot of games in spain under 21comp so he being rested and had an injury but is now ok don't panic lol

Think he had a problem with his finger when he first returned? He'll definitely play in the community shield and first game of the Prem!

Ozwald

Situation is he's developing into one of the best keepers in the world.

(Oh, and he played in the confed cup so is getting a longer rest)

(Oooo. Moyes is probably checking the others to see who he wants sat on the bench / sell)

Finger injury.

06 Aug 2013 20:32:05
Another excellent preseason result for united. Oh sorry got that wrong. Another distinctly average team walks right through the middle of our team and scores. When the scrap for a draw. Should be an interesting season.

P6, W2, L2, D2. 'there may be trouble ahead'

06 Aug 2013 20:24:17
Hope you lot watched todays game!

nani was best player until he went off injured he looked hungry

Im amazed anderson chased back and won tackles and was ok going forward maybe moyes might get best out of him!

Van persie missed a host of chances, glad its pr season

henriquez was decent very skillful when in close ball control

Evra needs to go sorry but that lads positional sense has gone

Vidic what a beast glad he's back

All in all I know its a freindly but I was pleased with what I saw especially from the players that get a lot of stick

BigV. I thought zaha had a good game too. Set up the equalizer.
Nomidfield

06 Aug 2013 19:51:06
Utd not looking too great in this second half! Shame nani went off he was playing well! Give it an hour before people start saying that this Mutumba ( sorry about spelling ) is worth a look. He's only looking that good because we are looking rusty! Good for the fitness.

Ned the red

Looking rusty two weeks before the season starts, after about 5 or 6 games now, I do not think that is a valid reason personally, it only ever takes me one game. Maybe I should be signed! Lol.

I take it you wrote this 4 mins into the 2nd half cause for the rest of the half we were by far the better team only spoilt by missing quite a few chances, how many saves did amos make --phil

06 Aug 2013 19:32:01
Nani looked a new player vs aik before he got injured ManUtillidie

06 Aug 2013 19:20:37
I think it'd should just ride out the whole Rooney saga until the transfer window closes. what's he going to do then?

get him fit, stick him in the team and have him playing in front of 75,000 at OT.

one thing we do know is he loves playing football and if he starts banging in a few goals this whole media storm will just blow over and everyone will be happy again.

simple! lol

Those days are gone, try telling that to Spurs (Bale) and Liverpool (Suarez)

06 Aug 2013 19:02:03
Nani best player on the park until off injured after 28 minutes

06 Aug 2013 18:55:46
Some interesting news about Ronaldo. He isn't liking the fact that his world record transfer fee is being broken by Bale and because of his massive ego he wants a move. But he'll be only willing to go if his new transfer fees breaks the Bale fee. After the Barca president has said that Messi is worth 400m, Ronaldo has been more irritated and he'll go to any club which completes the record deal be it Monaco, PSG, City or Kitchee. Otherwise he'll be looking at a very high salary if he stays at RM.

What rubbish

A

06 Aug 2013 18:33:05
Looks like a 4-3-3 tonight with Carrick, Anderson and Giggs in midfield with Zaha, RVP and Nani up top. I'm quite excited to see Nani actually. I hope Moyes has pushed him so far since he took over. I do still think there's a lot we can get from Nani to be honest! Defense looks as though it may be the defense we'll see most of the season. Rafael, Vidic, Evans and Evra. Would love to see a big win night and also Henriquez to come off the bench at some stage!

06 Aug 2013 17:18:49
Food for thought. a copy and paste from a website. I think this tells you how important Wayne Rooney is to us and if he does leave we need a proper world class replacement.

United won the league at a relative canter as Van Persie won the Golden Boot, and even Rooney's performances in his altered role justified significant praise. He scored 12 goals from just 22 starts, had a shot accuracy of 53. 03% (RVP's was 55. 08%) and only Eden Hazard registered more Premier League assists, the Belgian starting nine more games than Rooney.

Both Welbeck and Hernandez and not even in the same league as this guy.
I would only sell Wayne rooney if Ronaldo was in the bag.

Simmo

And yet we get a load of posters telling us what a crap player he is! And that he has had a shocking season!
I bet Mr. Mourinho is licking his lips as we speak, get rooney and they will win the league with ease.
Nomidfield {Ed007's Note - It's looking more and more likely that the haters are going to win this one NM. I find it strange though that for a player who is in decline, isn't a good trainer, is overweight and who is tearing the dressing room apart, a lot of Man Utd fans still see him as a player who is worth upwards of £30 million.
I've said it before, if Rooney leaves this summer, Utd fans will be on here saying they should never have sold him this time next year IMO.}

Yes! Rooney even in off form gives us his best.
All fans do not understand it.
He is class.

Simmo

I have been saying this for quite sometime. But people will never let logic/common sense get in the way of slagging someone off. Is it written in stone that RVP will score 30 goals again? He will have an injury free season? Welbeck - I loved no name's quote saying " Welbeck playing as a striker is playing out of position". Perfectly put! We are counting on him to bail us out? It beggars belief how people are saying we will be ok if we keep the same squad minus Rooney. Then the nonsense of "destroying" team morale. A lot in here need to get off their high horses. Some say "we won the league without him last season" - Sure, my grandma scored when RVP could not finish his supper. Who scored that Fulham away goal BTW? I can appreciate people having a problem with his shennanigans, but completely dismissing what he did last season just shows how bitter some in here are. Apparently it was his worst season in a United shirt.

On top of that, people are ok to let him go to our main rivals without us getting a replacement in. What sort of name calling were we upto last s eason when the Gunners sold RVP? Now we would be fine doing the same? Remember we did not sell Heinze for christ's sake to Liverpool. Rooney is lightyears ahead of him.

Finally, if what the tabloids are spouting is true, let him go but not before getting in a word class replacement. let's see how many of them are queing up to join us and not turn in to a mercenary sooner than later.

You can't buy the winning attitude only a few sportsmen have. Wayne Rooney is one of them. Last I heard, the greatest ever manager to live on the face of this planet is no longer the gaffer. He knew how to WIN.

Deeps.

Rooney wasn't worth a place in the first team last season and nothing has changed. There may be criticism if we sell him but if Chelsea are prepared to pay £30m we should bite their hand off.

Ed I think its more or less out of Uniteds hands now Rooney will put a transfer request in but even then don't sell him until we have a replacement

I don't hate Rooney, but I have seen this coming. For a long time now. I think the plan was to flog him abroad, but he is not keen to uproot and move abroad. I always said I believed SAF would want the last laugh and would nudge him out of the club.

Sydney!

Ed would have to agree, some of the reasons for selling him may be valid but an awful lot are ridiculous.
A lot of it started with people wanting to cash in on Rooney and buy there new favourite player gotze for example but when it started to luck unlikely some have just come up with some pile of rubbish to sell him just to justify there point.
I've got to laugh at the latest idea of we don't need Rooney we have welbeck.
Jred {Ed007's Note - Don't get me started on Welbeck!! He is an awful, awful player. If he was playing for a team like Stoke would anyone on here actually suggest that Utd should go out and buy him? No chance.}

Sorry Bond, I can guarantee you I won't. Even if he goes on and does well wherever he goes, I'd rather that, than have someone here, who would rather be somewhere else.

And it's nothing to do with hating the guy - a lot of us are too old and long in the tooth, to summon up extreme reactions like that over a footballer.

If I may be so bold as to say so, it's that type of emotive language that has some people on here at each other's throats.

He was a very good player for Utd, but I'm a firm believer in karma. He played a game with this club in 2010, and he got what he wanted. I don't care what anyone else says, he humiliated our manager, and embarrassed our club. I don't feel sorry for his predicament now in the slightest, but I certainly don't hate the fella.

ps. and Bond, don't be going making me look like a tit now in front of everyone, just because I told you off :) {Ed007's Note - Are you saying Rooney is the only player to ever play a game with United over money? What about Roy Keane, or when the club were treating Ronaldo like a slave? Ronaldo played games every summer until he got what he wanted. There's a list of players that Utd could afford to lose, Welbeck, Young, Anderson etc before looking to move on someone like Rooney.}

007, in your opinion, what would MU need to do to justify selling Rooney to Chelsea? For me we need a left winger/forward. I think Jovetic would have been perfect. I think we need Evra replaced by Baines and a creative and solid midfielder. I think Cesc & Fellaini would do a job. I think Di Maria could be a good signing for the left. So for me Di Maria, Cesc, Fellaini & Baines would be a good summer. Now I am not 100% convinced we will sign Cesc and I am not sure we still have an interest in Di Maria, but I think they would be good signing. Personally I would go for an alternative to Fellaini, but Moyes seems to want him if rumours are correct? What would you want to see this summer?

Sydney! {Ed007's Note - To justify selling Rooney I would have been looking for someone like Ozil or Gotze. I don't see any signings of the calibre we all know the club needs, I seriously don't Syd.}

Ed007 - some of us have been looking at Rooney critically for 18 months. My problem with him isn't his ability, it's his ability versus the wage he's being paid and his perceived status. I also think he can be a negative influence on the pitch - he takes up a lot of the ball and wastes it quite a lot of the time (as does Nani). I don't think he plays to the plan given to him and I think this restricts other players.

For me, it's a bit like RVN in his final year with United. You couldn't argue with his stats, his performances were pretty good, but we actually played better as a team without him, even though the team itself didn't look as good on paper. I think we've reached that point with Rooney.

I suspect he'll play better somewhere else that he would at OT, but I don't think he is capable of approaching his peak level (when he was 24) let alone fulfilling the potential he had then.

Bottom line is that he hasn't been our best, 2nd best or 3rd best player in either of the last 2 seasons, and yet he (and his agent) expect United to make him the best paid player in our history. It's not the right thing to do. It sends the wrong message out and we'd end up seeing other wages sky-rocket as a result.

It is madness to consider selling Rooney, even greater madness to sell him to Chelsea.

It was always going to be an unsettled period but there is a concern that this is being stirred and driven by the press who would love us to fall and United fans still sore at Rooneys actions three years ago. The bile probably now means it is hard to see him turn it round to stay but at Chelsea I feel a rejuvenated Rooney would win them the league and the haters will have driven him there.

Ed007, I'm sorry but Rooney is not in decline, he's had one season where he didn't look as sharp as he used to but then so has Valencia? and Nani? and Young?. Wayne may have lost a little bit of pace since his younger days as a red but you don't have to be fast to be good, he's still got a great footballing brain. (Berbatov, slow as but technically great, Pirlo hardly runs but still one of the worlds best). He's come back this pre season in better shape than he's been for the past 5 years that's come from Moyes and Vidic. Also how do you actually know he's tearing the dressing room apart? No one has shown signs of that or said anything regarding Wayne.

Fair enough he might want to leave, but he is a great player regardless and I think people are finding it much easier to diss him because they feel a lot of hatred towards him.

Ozwald {Ed007's Note - It wasn't me that said he was in decline Oz, nor did I say he was tearing the dressing room apart, that is what others have been saying about him. You might want to read what I said again, we seem to have crossed wires.}

007, I think the club cannot afford to let him run down his contract and I also do not think he deserves an improved deal. Especially after last season. So I think the club will sell and I think it's the right time in a business sense. However I wouldn't sell unless we have strengthened first. I think you are right about Goetze/Oezil. Goetze would have been perfect IMO.

Sydney! {Ed007's Note - I understand that with his deal running down it's a difficult situation and I agree he doesn't deserve a pay-rise. He should be happy to extend his contract on the same money, it's not as if he will go short but footballer's are only loyal to their bank balances these days.
It's the level of animosity towards him that I find strange and hard to swallow, suddenly he is portrayed as the Devil and everything he has done over the last 9 years doesn't matter.
As an outsider to England, I always feel he is made the scapegoat by the media and fans for England's international shortcomings, it seems that it has crept in a bit at club level as well from what I read on here.}

DarkLard08

Please enlighten me who were our best, 2nd best and 3rd best player in the 2011-12 season. The one where he scored 34 goals and assisted 5 of them. Sorry mate, nothing that you state is the bottom line.

Deeps.

I do apologise ed007, I realised I read it wrong a minute ago before even reading your response! Being stuck in front of a computer screen all day has taken its toll ;)

Ozwald {Ed007's Note - No worries Oz, I'll let it slide this time, now people see what happens when you spend your day watching porn ;-)

06 Aug 2013 16:52:34
Guys, relax and stop reading the star, Mirror and the Sun. and with that said Sky should be treated with the same respect as they are owned by same people. UTD were linked with 47 players last summer in those papers and SAF admitted that he had no idea where 45 of those reports came from and that only 4 had any truth. We have made bids for ONLY 2 players so far. Bains and Fabregas. and I think both will come eventually. Let the big boys get on with running the club stop panicing and stop reading and listening to CRAP that's reported in these over hyped publications. they all run on the mantra. If there is nothing to report. Just make it up.
As for Rooney. I hate to say it but when we have our signings on board swap him for Matta and Moses. those 2 will provide more for the team and would allow us to cash in on Young and Nani before anyone realises they are worthless

06 Aug 2013 16:40:36
one more thing guy's, remember 1 another player who scored a lot of goal's liverpool and chesea got him for 50million's I have a wierd feeling about this, think rooney will score goals but he will not be the same player in chesea he will score less then chicarito will do 4 us this season, I really hope that happens, but we will find that out soon enough. zee

Cabt agree with that Zee. Rooney will be the main target and will fit in with Hazard, Oscar and Mata like a glove.
We will all be sorry he left.
Nomidfield

I hope i'm wrong and he stay and prove that he still has a lot 2 give us and start performing on the pitch. zee

No we won't NM.

He can go on and be better than Ronaldo, but it still doesn't get away from the fact that you and others, still want a player here who has stuck two fingers up at our manager, the fans, and our club.

What will it take for you all to see he doesn't want to be here, and yet you all carry on like lovers in denial that a relationship is over.

Get over it, wish him well in his new adventures, and move on. It's his loss. You're too good for him!

The club will move onwards and upwards. As always.

StevieK

I got a feeling that you just thought of me ;)

Deeps.

Deeps, I just don't want to have to pick up the pieces, when he leaves :)

06 Aug 2013 15:51:42
If Rooney is "world class" then how come there isn't 1, not 1 of Europes big clubs interested in him?
For that matter there isn't even any interest from any of the wealthy small European clubs!
He's always been the emperors new clothes

Huey Driscoll

Because most of the clubs are not in the need of a striker.
He is WORLD CLASS

Aakrozz

Rooney was hardly world class last season. Maybe if he wanted out at the end of 11/12 season - off the back of a very good year full of goals, he might have had some of the big European clubs sniffing about. PSG and Monaco, both opted to go South American, when both clubs knew that Rooney wanted out. Madrid need a striker, but it looks like they are going to give Morata his chance. So only Chelsea seem like they are willing to part with a lot of money for him.

I think the club should flog him to Arsenal. He would want to leave after a season LOL

SLred

Monaco, PSG, RealMadrid, Barca, Arsenal, Chelsea, and City all needed strikers when the market opened. Monaco and PSG chose more expensive and better options than Rooney. City knew we would never sell to them, Barca got another world class player in Neymar. Arsenal and Madrid would rather pay more for a cannibal than Rooney. Chelsea are now only after Rooney because their top targets Falcoa and Cavani went else were for more money. So Rooney wasn't any teams first choice even though all needed strikers.

Flint

Because Rooney isn't better than Neymar, aessi and Ronaldo.
Bayern have Lewondowski, Gotze and Mandzukic. that's why.

Simmo

That is because he is not what he used to be and the big clubs were not in for him. Believe me if he is good as some of you like to think Real would be knocking on our door or barca.


Shahram

And because he does not want to leave these shores as his wife is happier here.
Hence interest from our biggest competitor, Chelsea.
BTW, Chelsea are one of the big forces in Europe and won the CL two season ago in case anyone has forgotten. Also they have Mourinho now, with all the experience.
Nomidfield

Shahram

You really think Mourinho is a muck? Lot on here, who think Jose is one the best in the business but also tell everyone here how poor is Wayne Rooney. Jose has the lost plot. I mean why is he trying to get one of the poorest players around?

Deeps.

After missing out on Falcao, Cavani & Neymar, Chelsea turn their attentions to Wayne Rooney.

Sydney!

Syd

Going by what most of the posters on this site think, it is like the Chavs are going for him after missing out on Beattie, Phillips and Heskey!

Deeps.

06 Aug 2013 15:27:22
just been reading on la repubblica an italian online newspaper, and bear in mind it won't be 100% reliable, but it claims united have shortlisted Jackson Martinez as a possible replacement for Rooney should he leave. like it says, only shortlisted so nothing definite but thought it might be worth a mention

Register please :-)

Porto have been making noises about him staying. They must be aware of a lot of interest.

SLred

Is he any good, never heard of him. zee

Not surprised, with Lewandowski, Falcao, Cavani and most other top strikers now out of reach Jackson Martinez seems like an ideal target. Had a very good scoring record for Porto in his first season for them last year. Very strong, fast, powerful and a good finisher.

Ozwald

Not seen too much of him myself; but what I have seen of him, he looks like a top player.

Porto have an excellent track record of bringing South American strikers to Portugal, and turning them into top quality center forwards. They have made a fortune over the past few years. Think Falcao and Hulk.

Slred

Lets hope he is better than the last player we bought from Porto! Mr. Anderson!
Nomidfield

Excellent player and very mobile has a release clause of 40 million euros. Will probably go for more next year. Very different to Rooney as he is pacey and can turn defenders and get away from them.

Shahram

06 Aug 2013 14:57:38
We need to employ a former player who
is a global superstar to sell the club and
court future signings. His name of course
is David Beckham and he would jump at the
chance to return in any capacity

Get it done MUFC!!!!

Or Eric?

Colin the Red

What and whore himself like Zidane for Madrid?, We are a class above, no thanks!

Can't think of anyone better to suck up at the fifa conventions or even help us with our worldwide player pull.

Beckham is an icon, time to use it to our advantage

Grasshopper u r on a different planet to the
rest of us. All the top teams have ambassadors not whores for the global
image and as the post states to court
future signings Beckham would be perfect
well said mate


leggo

06 Aug 2013 20:05:45
beckham would be perfect

06 Aug 2013 14:22:50
Anyone know where there are any straws? Cause I need to start clutching at them!

Plenty at anfield mate

They're all short ones at anfield

06 Aug 2013 14:12:09
Plenty of so called "stars" have left our great club in the past and people get the "oh no what are we going to do", we adapt and move on. Some o our best seasons have followed high profile exits.
I think Rooney is determined to not play for the club again and has got plenty of excuses leaked into the press.
Got no courage or class.

Supasub

Agreed Supasub, but not many have left us to go to our biggest domestic rival!
Do you see Chelsea selling us Mata or Hazaed for £25m, arsenal selling us Wiltshire? Spurs selling us Bale? City selling us any of their midfield? All of whom will walk into our midfield.
That is the biggest problem, if we can sell rooney overseas for £40m then that is fine providing we get a replacement, which is not easy. But to sellhim to Chelsea is suicide.
Nomidfield

06 Aug 2013 12:53:49
With just over a week left till the new season starts. I am very concerned with the squad we have. Yes we won the league last year but I feel a lot of the teams below us have strenghen well.
My opinon on our transfer target are.
Fabs- Not coming as happy where he is
Fellaini- will stay 1 more season under Martinz

Baines - asbove

Ronaldo - is just waiting on a new contract from Real, about 100% he will not be back this season.

Rooney will leave.
I don't think Moyes is right for the job but I hope I am wrong. I feel this will be a long and different season for us

A long and different season, brilliant, you just described every season.

If you meant difficult, again, every season is.

This is a totally new ball game for Moyes, but he will manage.

May take him some time

Bakes, you may well be right however we will strengthen our midfield. Moyesee is the right man for the job and agree time will tell. Imo the best thing to happen to this squad is the management team, they will be fitter and better drilled cause that is Moyesees strength. Keep the faith, champions again albeit a tough season ahead.

06 Aug 2013 11:32:32
I haven't spoke about Mr. Rooney all summer, but.

It's time for Wayne to go. It really is simple. Get him for the highest price, right at the end of the window and I really don't care to who anymore. He really has burnt his bridges, AGAIN. I Can't believe people are defending him on here. All summer, the way he has treated our beloved club is disgraceful. YES he can be a fine player when he is on song and YES he has helped us with our recent success, but we are Manchester United and life goes on and we certainly don't need any players that don't want to play for one of the biggest clubs in the world. He has turned into a complete mercenary and spoilt brat, because he hasn't got his way for one season. Other players professional attitudes put him to shame. I've said it before, but i'm pretty sure we won't be seeing him playing in red again. We moved on after we sold Ronaldo and we can certainly do It after Wayne. So all the people saying we can't replace him is just ridiculous. If a player did this is at any other club, we would all be saying that he should leave etc. so, stop living in the past and realise that it's time for him to go.

I'm sure some of you will disagree with this, but we have to make a stand in order to protect the image and honour of our club. No player is bigger

Thanks

Elvis

What are you basing your information on, The Sun, The Daily Fail, Sly Sports, Talksh*te??
Until Rooney hands in a written transfer or comes out and publicly says I want to leave that's when I will judge him.

Simmo

If we sell him, who is going to score? We can't seem to buy anyone.
Chico was not prolific last season and Wellbeck is never going to get 10 goals a season, let alone 30.
He carried us through the middle part of last season when RVP stopped scoring.
We seem to be between a rock and a hard place after 6 weeks (ish) of DM being in charge
A. J

The rumour is that Rooney REFUSED yes REFUSED to get on the bus

I tollaly agree Elvis. All of you saying 'how do we know what is happening' and wait till he hands in a transfer request, he is not going to do that as he will lose his loyalty bonus and Rooney and his agent Paul Stretford are greedy and they can both go and do one. get him away from the club and let Chelsea have two past their best strikers up front.

Good riddance.

Bazza

Rooney played far more minutes than hernandez in the EPL last season but only scored 2 more goals. Rooney is obvioisly a lot more technical than hernandez but I think people underestimate how good hernandez is in terms of scoring goals
If theyd had the same playing time iv no doubt hernandez wouldv scored far more

AJ, bit of a silly question isn't it? 20 different members of our squad scored last season. A decent left winger/left-back and a decent midfield and we will score plenty.

Sydney!

Simmo

Really? his silence on this whole issue is enough proof. I love how we tend to take other stuff in the press when it suits us and when it comes to him it is bs paper talk right?

Some of you guys need to sit back and decide is it the club you love or an individual player.

Shahram

Bazza, I am with you. I would be amazed if Rooney wavered his loyalty bonus and I think he will do everything he can to be disruptive to get a move to Chelsea, but keep his bonus. Unless Chelsea agree to pay him the loyalty bonus within his signing on fee, I do not expect him to put in a transfer request. I cannot see MU giving in to his demands this time round and I cannot see Rooney and his agent buckling either, so a move beckons.

Then when he is at Chelsea wait for the "Jose is the best manager I have played under" and "Chelsea are the biggest club in England". I am sure in the future we will hear confirmation by the player that MU nudged him out of the door, but if he wanted to stay that much he would have accepted whatever offer MU put on the table for him.

Sydney!

If United are firm about not selling Rooney though Sydney! can Rooney really afford to not give his best in a world cup year? I don't think so.

REDFAITH

REDFAITH, I do not see MU letting Rooney run his contract down so they will cash in when the price is right. I think the only thing that could keep MU firm is us not strengthening.

But if for whatever reason Rooney is still here, then I think if he can stay fit he has a big part to play.

Sydney!

REDFAITH, Rooney is in no danger of not making the England side. He is England's best player.

Sydney!

Syd
he will get into the England team what ever, if I was a bit younger I think I would be in with a shout myself but if he has ideas of being sharp and playing well in what could be his last wc he needs a good season
Jred

Godcreatedunited

His silence is the same as Fabregas but you all seem to think that United still have a chance of signing him.
Does his silence not suggest that he wants to stay at Barca?

Simmo

Simmo, NO, their silence says it all. They are both open to a move, but they both want their 5% loyalty bonuses. No doubt we will know when the Cesc deal has gone pear-shaped, he will come out and say he is staying at Barcelona.

Sydney!

Fabregas's manager did not come out and say he has handed in transfer request at the end of last season and the player has said zilch all this time to refute that.

We are after fabregas and his silence suggests that he is not against the idea.

Shahram

Simmo, Why will he stay silent if he wants to stay at Barcelona and he is 100% certain?

When the chance of signing him has gone he will come out and state he is staying, until then it is possible.

REDFAITH

06 Aug 2013 08:00:38
If we sell Rooney then we will lose a talented player who can and does contribute to the team.

We can argue how much he contributed last season, and whether his form or ability is on the decline until we are blue in the face.

There is clearly a dividing line with everyone either on one side or the other. Even those who claim to be neutral have a feeling one way or another.

Its very clear to which side of the debate i'm on.

So to all those on that say let's keep him Wayne as he contibutes so much to our side. Have you consisdered that maybe Rooney just doesn't want to be at our club anymore?

What would you do if you were David Moyes and Rooney said to you that he wants to leave and that he won't sign a new contract no matter how much money its for? Would you then keep him and let him run his contract down and leave for free after two years of causing discontent within the squad and slowly destroying the team spirit? Or would you keep him away from your players while you tried to get his ass out the door as quickly as possible?

People are saying let's keep him as if he wants to stay. In all of this that has been going on now for two months Wayne has chosen not to say a word. For two months he has kept his mouth shut, the silence from him is defening.

He hasn't said that he is unhappy with his playing position or his place in the team, he hasn't questioned the ambition of the team, he hasn't said that its all rubbish and he wants to stay.

You'd have thought if both the club and Rooney wanted him to stay at the club then they would have come together and released a statement by now. I mean all this speculation is only damaging to the club and to Rooney. If they both have an ambition to keep him at the club then why not dispell all this speculation.

The truth is because either the club or Rooney or most likely both have decided it is time for a parting of the ways. And some on here will have to come to terms with that, probably very soon.

Shappy, spot on analysis. Rooney is past his best and is clearly not committed to the club. He could become a disruptive influence and his transfer value will decline. If Chelsea or anyone else, come in with £30m plus then he should be sold.
If we could get £12m for Nani then we could afford Fabregas, Fellaini and Baines.

Shappy,

I posted something similar ( but less eloquent) last week. Having an unhappy player not giving 100% is disruptive and damaging to the squad.

I'm sure Rooney would do well at Chelsea, but he won't reach the same level here as he would there, so I think it's time to sell up and move on, preferably with Mata included.

Phred

When we beat City last year most people remember RVP's free kick, but I remember His 2 first half goals. When he is on his game he can influence everything, that's hard to get rid of. personally I think if he was only willing he could play CM and fill the void we seem to be begging for. but his (or the club's) failure to say (or let him say) "I'm dedicated to United and willing to do whatever it takes" is losing him a lot of fans and our lack of transactions aren't helping our mood either. I'm on the 'hope he stays' side, but if he isn't dedicated to us then I'd rather he move on immediately.

I think a bid around £35m will be accepted as long as Rooney wavers his 5% and we get in a couple of our targets first. I do not think we should sell unless we have strengthened first.

Sydney!

Shappy
Im f the same opinion as you mate but its pointless explaining why people like us think he should go because tbh those who are in the rooney fan club would still defend his attitude, proffesionalism and the contempt he's previously shown the club and us fans and obviously they're entitled to think what they like.
The thing that worries me is that some people think that an overweight, uninterested player who doesn't want to play for us on £200k a week is irreplaceable! some even blame SAF and the club for this situation which is pathetic. Tbh il be glad when he's gone because i'm sick to death of him now I just hope he puts a transfer request in so the fan club can see exactly how much he loves the club!

Good post Shappy. I think this winning at any price attitude and putting up with him is never going to wash at United.

Never has a player been allowed to do what he is doing and they should drive him to London and drop him off at the gate and be done with this whole farce of ordeal and this guy.

Yes we lose a bit when he leaves and other playesr will have to step up but that has always been our way. With big picture in mind we gain a lot in short, medium and the longterm about boundaries that players have to respect.

Clubs like United can not afford to allow any player to turn the place into a circus act. Try Real Madrid if you want that sort of a club, they tend to buy, buy, buy but not much to show for in recent years. Funny enough they won the most when they had pride in the badge before they became this galactic nonsense with one crazy chairman after another.

Shahram

Appears there's rumours that he refused to travel to AIK's game tonight, he wants to leave and United will no doubt make him put a transfer request in and sell him after we have a replacement (Although god knows when that will be)

And who are we going to replace rooney with

Boarshawred, in what position?

Sydney!

I think it is a certainty that Rooney is going to be sold. The only thing holding up his departure IMO, is our own lack of activity in the transfer market. Once we have one of our main targets signed, Rooney will be sold.

The guy wants out for what ever reason; but I'd wager that any doubts he might have had about leaving - went the minute United announced that they were hiring Moyes as the new manager.

On a brighter note I generally think his departure will allow other players to shine, most notably Kagawa.

Slred

06 Aug 2013 07:46:21
I have been one of his biggest supporters and of course his contributions to our success over the past nine years can never be taken away, but I just do not get Wayne Rooney at all. He is bordering on Manchester United legend, he has a chance to cement himself as one of our best ever players and a very good chance of becoming our highest ever goalscorer.

So what does he do? He throws his toys out of the pram for a second time, because he isn't constantly getting his own way. It's quite embarrassing but also baffling. He risks tainting a trophy-laden nine year spell at the biggest club in the world, where he is loved and respected by hundreds of millions of people, and for what? More money? Even if it means taking a backwards step to a smaller club? Absolutely crazy in my opinion.

I keep hearing that Wayne is worried about the reception he will get if he plays for United again, my question to that is what does he expect? He has made his bed so he must lie in it. For me it will totally taint his legacy and taint my memories of him, which is certainly a shame considering the success we have had in recent years in which he has played a massive part. But I will never forgive him if he forces through a move to Chelsea.

Wayne Rooney is a great player, make no mistake, and he is as committed on the pitch as anyone I've ever seen. It's just a shame that commitment and loyalty doesn't extend off the pitch.

I agree, I think he's burned his bridges and now has lost his chance to become our top scorer. I would not be surprised if the story about the squad being upset with him is true, especially when you look at players like Hernandez who never complains despite rarely starting.

Time's up Mr Rooney.

Phred

Never be a legend at this club.
best, law, charlton, robson, cantona, scholes, giggs, neville they're legends and rooney should never be mentioned alongside them.
Publicly questioning the ambition of the games greatest ever manager and probablt the clubs biggest legend saw to that for me and many others not to mention that he's spent the past months trying to engineer a move to chelsea.
Yes he's been a good servant but club legend? never

06 Aug 2013 03:18:44
why not bring owen hargreaves out of retirement, even if he's made of glass he's a top talent

Hargreaves is in the queue behind scholes and Neville G

06 Aug 2013 01:39:36
we don't need to replace rooney. SAF has replaced him with kagawa as he was signed last year. And read a news on website that many senior players are angry with rooney's behaviour and I personally think we should sold rooney, because no one is bigger than the MANCHESTER UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB.
And I would like us to sign 3 players 1)fabregas/gundagon 2)khedira 3)ronaldo ( The real one and its our CRIASTIANO RONALDO) but it is 50/50.

It is only a mater of time and the right number, the club rightfully is not going to get bent over by him and he has to submit a transfer request, which his camp are trying to force a move without doing so.

His silence speaks volumes and he is gone as far as I am concerned, so better buck up and get used to United without rooney, if history is an indicator we will be just fine and continue to prosper. We are too big to fail as the saying goes.

Shahram

05 Aug 2013 23:50:04
Anyone got a sneaky feeling we could be in for good summer, I have a feeling we could be seeing fabregas and ronaldo both at the club very shortly, no tips or inside knowledge but just what I have taken from reading some of the stories.

Il even leave my name ;)

19JackC94

Lol is this a joke? No chance of either coming to United. That being said, I still think it could be a good summer.

Ruudinthemood

Without cesc or Ronaldo how could this possibly be a good summer? Who else is available? -KG

It has been a good summer, best weather we've had for years