Manchester United Banter Archive August 06 2015

06 Aug 2015 23:29:22
Was in trouble earlier. I keep singing random oasis songs around the house, she's electric, don't look back in anger etc, but there's one particular song I keep singing. Well obviously it must've got annoying because she asked are you going to keep singing wonderwall?

I said maybe.

07 Aug 2015 07:19:06
Have to be careful with problems like that Mort. I got referred to a psychologist a while back because I kept signing Tom Jones songs in my sleep. I asked if it was common , but he said it was not unusual. Boom boom.
I'll get me coat.

07 Aug 2015 09:45:32
I keep hearing pink Floyd songs. Doctor says i may have brain damage. No? Nothing? Ok then.

06 Aug 2015 23:12:15
The anti Rooney crowd are in full voice again I see and we haven't even kicked off the new Season!!

Couple of observations / thoughts from a Devils advocates point of view:

1. Some complain about his loyalty to the club, yet still have a regular love in over Ronaldo - the one who actually left the club. Never mind his wink when Rooney got sent off at the Euros.

2. He will "never be a legend" (always love that one) because he never fulfilled his potential, yet Best is despite being an alcoholic and retiring years too early on a team that got relegated - how's that for fulfilling your potential!

3. Rooney will very soon become Manchester United and England's ALL time record goal scorer surpassing Sir Bobby Charlton - a true legend - what more does he need to do ffs!!

Feel free to disagree. If he scores 30 goals this season there will still be something toiam about for some folks on here LOL

Bring on the Spurs - I predict 3-1 United with Rooney getting 2.

PS Kane is nowhere near good enough to replace Rooney!

06 Aug 2015 23:27:22
rooney the only player who is rated on what he never done, as opposed to what he did

07 Aug 2015 06:23:50
I think Rooney is a legend at United but that doesn't mean he doesn't have frailties and shortfalls in his game and his captaincy. I have supported Rooney on here and at games even more but there are glaring issues and I feel he, like Giggs, should have reached a higher level in world football than he has.

Rooney will score goals this season but I cannot see us winning the league with him as the main striker.

07 Aug 2015 11:02:02
Nothing against rooney he will probably go down as a club legend. I just wonder whether he is good enough to be the main striker. willing to eat my words on that if he spanks them in from all angles this season:)

As far as Kane goes, I think the lad has immense talent and it's not just about the goals, he looks the real deal and I really woudn't mind if he was the only striker signing this window.

06 Aug 2015 22:30:51
i don't know what anyone thinks the pedro rumours are getting like the ramos ones maybe pedro is looking for a better deal maybe

06 Aug 2015 22:50:00
A newpaper is reporting we haven't bid as we value him at 17 million

06 Aug 2015 21:27:57
I find it funny how people on hear are looking for Kane or lewondowski, if we sign one of them, is Rooney then dropped? They won't put a 40mill+ player on the bench, would Rooney play at no.10 but that leaves out others. I can't see us buying a big name at CF, l believe all our efforts are going into a CB now n

06 Aug 2015 22:06:30
They won't put a £40m player on the bench. You just woken up from a 12 month hibernation mate? We put a £60m player on the bench all season! Rooney is not GOD. He should have to fight for a place like the rest of them. It's called strengthening the team and squad

06 Aug 2015 22:29:06
I agree redcon, I think with Memphis, and hopefully Pedro along with Wilson and Chiquarito we have attacking options. Rooney will play up top unless he is injured. I know people will say that if he does we will be in trouble but I believe with those 4 players along with Mata ,Fellaini, Pereira and Januzaj (if he doesn't go on loan) is enough. As you say a big name won't like sitting on the bench, and any new striker will limit game time to the younger players. We should go all out for a defensive leader, then I expect us to be challenging.

P.S. I should add Gaitan to our options, as we have been signing him for years, so the deal must be close now.

06 Aug 2015 22:32:43
I think we're fully equipped up front in attacking players maybe the addition of pedro now angel has gone and good ridden if he's going to be the way he has been we don't want him,get a worldie at centre half then I think we're ready to go far in prem and champions league

06 Aug 2015 22:35:08
they won't buy a 50 mill player for the bench .
di maria was bought to play in the first 11 .
when things went wrong he was sold after only 12 month .
you don't have a 50 or 60 mil player on the bench

06 Aug 2015 20:45:14
Understandable comments by Angel De Maria. He said that United wanted to sell him, and the decision was mutual. Fair enough.

But!!!! I think we wanted to sell him because

1. He showed unprofessionalism towards the club by not showing up for pre season.

2. He was really not a LVG type of player, no tracking back and loosing posession so often in dangerous moments.

Better to get him off. I just wish that we meet PSG in Europe this season, the reception at OT will be frightening for him. ;)

06 Aug 2015 19:13:35
I know we need another goalscorer/proper CF, but would they only get game time when Rooney is injured or rested ? Would Kane be a good option if that is the case. He is no world beater yet and won't come with a massive ego. He could be bedded into the team with a view to maybe selling Rooney at the end of the season and then maybe Wilson will be ready to be the second striker behind Kane. Its not as simple as just going buying a world class star, you have to consider playing time, who would be dropped etc. World class CB needed though. NOW, obviously !

06 Aug 2015 19:52:40
berahino for me . played in the same u21 team as kane for the lat 2 year and out scored him . 11 goals in 10 games compared to kanes 8 in 13 .
got 14 league goals compared to kanes 21 but is a year younger and wba aren't as attacking as spurs.

would cost half as much as well

06 Aug 2015 21:00:30
good shout jred I rate berahino. He's the kind of striker we should be looking at.

06 Aug 2015 21:16:52
I know you've shouted him for a while, jred. I'm coming round to the idea, too. Just a bit of doubt about his attitude, but hopefully being at a bigger club would knock that out of him. As long as he knew from the start he was a back-up to Rooney, and behaved accordingly.

06 Aug 2015 21:36:38
We sign Berahino and Arsenal sign Benzema brings 2 questions
1. Who got the better deal
2. Who would likely finish higher based on that transaction.

This is not anti Rooney but we should buy the quality of player needed to challenge at the top. Take a look at strikers in our opposition. Costa, ok may be having injury issues but better than what we have. Aguero , what a player, then If Arsenal buy Benzema they have a better strike force than us. Top players win titles not second level ones bought only so not to upset the second level striker we already have. I would rather buy Benzema than Berahino

06 Aug 2015 21:50:49
99
there are question marks about his attitude, sounds like he wants a big club .
mind you that was the case with zaha and that never turned out great.
i find the whole zaha transfer a bit strange

06 Aug 2015 22:44:49
redmam
i woul rather buy messi.
i would rather buy bale than depay.
i would rather buy pogba than scheiderlin.
its not fifa,

do you think lvg is going to drop rooney ? even after his gerrard comments.

aguero is a class act . injury issues tho,
costa i'm not a big fan of good player not great. major injury issues
arsenal have needed a striker for years .

06 Aug 2015 18:19:28
Who would propel prefer, lewondowski or kane????? I'd personally prefer lewondowski all day long but kane young and English

06 Aug 2015 18:25:42
Kane has only shown it for one season so for me to pay a major fee for him is a massive risk, our scouting would have to be very very good

06 Aug 2015 18:39:57
lewandowski is by far the better player imo

06 Aug 2015 18:50:00
I'd pay 60million for Lewandowski before i'd pay 40million for Kane.

06 Aug 2015 19:03:00
Right now it would have to be Lewandowski as he is the finished product. But, Kane could be just as good in a few years, so either would be good, if either is actually available for a price.

06 Aug 2015 19:03:06
Right now I'd prefer lewondowski but depends how Kane develops in the season ahead. He may well flop, I doubt he will though. Next year his apparent 50 mill price tag could turn to 80 mil

06 Aug 2015 19:13:08
i don't see what people see in kane .
good player but i don't see a really great player.
hope he kicks on tho

06 Aug 2015 19:45:10
Jred, i agree completely. Kane scored a lotta goals. He's a very good player but people are making him out to be this next 'best striker in the world'. I just don't see it in his game. He's not extremely quick, technical or skillful. Tottenham play some very good football and he's the focal point, he's bound to score a lot.

06 Aug 2015 19:50:02
Kane may get 'found out ' next year and will definitely be targeted! lewondowski is easily worth 60 million

06 Aug 2015 20:07:07
imbso
i have made the same point myself .
he got the goals last season so credit to him but what is it about his game that is great or worldclass.
i really hope kicks on and becomes a great player but i'm not sure .
last season just looked and one of them season when everything he hit went in .

06 Aug 2015 21:21:28
No competition. Lewandawski is the man.

06 Aug 2015 17:48:11
Am I the only one who think Harry Kane is not a Manchester United ???? Not saying he not a decent player but really can not or could see him in any United team in last 20 years + one good season makes him £40m player ????

06 Aug 2015 18:05:30
The way I look at it is, if Sterling is worth £50m I'd bite ya hand off for Kane at £40m.

06 Aug 2015 18:15:08
He hasn't played many fewer games for Tottenhams first team, than Rooney did at Everton when we bought him, and we paid £26m for him eleven years ago. I think he will be very good player, and in the current market I'd say £40m isn't stupidly excessive for a young, English lad who banged a load in last year. As people always say, it isn't our personal money, I'd pay it and take the chance personally, even with a few add on's as well.

06 Aug 2015 18:22:03
Monkeyballs
Then don't look at it like that. Because then, if Carroll was 35m, then.

06 Aug 2015 18:38:39
Bigspuds you're absolutely correct in not thinking Kane is a Man Utd player, he's most definitely a Spurs player.

06 Aug 2015 19:01:43
And that's a fact

06 Aug 2015 20:26:41
imbs- I'll look at it anyway I please, thanks.

06 Aug 2015 16:56:03
Harry mate, you didn't fill in EPL top scorer or Champs League winners. Want to give me them and I'll add them?

06 Aug 2015 15:08:01
With 'the spineless one' now officially off the books expect Utd to get the Spurs game out of the way and then tie up Pedro.

My info is that the club will try and get the deal done by close of business on Wednesday but if that's not possible then it will be 'parked' until the start of the following week so the club can concentrate on Friday's match with Villa without any distractions.

Either way unless something drastic happens expect Pedro to be a Utd player by week commencing 17th August at the latest.

Newcastle at home on 22nd will most likely be his debut.

As for defenders, sorry guys but my contact is still hearing nothing. Let's hope LVG either has a surprise up his sleeve or just launches a bucket load of cash at someone for one of their centre backs!! John Stones would do nicely!!

06 Aug 2015 15:55:20
Haha love this. My contact who goes by the pseudonym SteadyEddyWW123 also said some stuff about some things.

06 Aug 2015 16:32:15
Thank you Agent Jack. Pray tell where you get your info.

06 Aug 2015 14:30:32
Why does the club wish Di Maria well?

I understand that they have to show a little magnanimity, but ffs, couldn't they just have said: 'we confirm the sale'?

I don't know. He leaves a bitter taste in my mouth to be honest. I imagine he has right stuffed up our summer plans, because up until a month or so ago, I am quite sure he was part of the managers plans.

I just hope the club pull their finger out and sign a replacement ASAP. We need pace down the right side.

06 Aug 2015 14:48:31
because we have class

06 Aug 2015 15:01:10
Yes we do, Jred; we have it in abundance, hence the disdain I feel for Di Maria.

06 Aug 2015 17:16:52
We could have added mind the door doesn't hit you on the arse on the way out.

06 Aug 2015 13:52:50
Whats the truth in Utd going for Harry Kane again?. Not sure it's what we need right now or even if he'd be any cop this year, maybe give him afew seasons to see how he goes

06 Aug 2015 14:27:16
I would love united to sign him. The lad looks the real deal. Don't think it will happen though.

06 Aug 2015 14:31:42
Unless we fork our 50 million for him, I don't see how this will happen.

Seems a little late a desperate to me. If he was a target, why didn't we move for him sooner?

06 Aug 2015 15:52:59
Let's leave him for next summer. We shall see if he can produce the same games like last season (I'm sure he will). Hopefully Levy will not ask £250m for him.

06 Aug 2015 17:19:28
I don't buy these links with Kane at all. I know we live in a cynical age and we all know footballers who kiss the badge one week then clear off the next but I think this lad has got a bit of Shearer/Welbeck about him in genuinely wanting to be the local hero. Of course money talks but the interviews I've seen where he talks about the new stadium ,and when he recently signed that young kids shirt and said "dont worry i'm not going anywhere"I beleive he means it.

Today in the Guardian they say he's batting away agents promising him the world, if Spurs don't win a cup in the next 3 seasons or finish top 4 then yes his head could be turned as 3 seasons is a long time in a career , and if Spurs want to cash in that's a different story but I think the lad has got his head screwed on and will show a bit of loyalty which is refreshing

06 Aug 2015 13:43:59
I hope this is Periera's breakthrough season.

06 Aug 2015 13:52:50
I think he has talent but after his comments and press leaking last season I feel he may come with a little unwanted baggage.

06 Aug 2015 14:29:46
Having signed a new contract (he has hasn't he?), I'm sure he's here to stay and from the little I've seen of him, I'm glad he's at united. Here's hoping harry.

06 Aug 2015 11:21:14
Its official


Gaitan is United's longest serving non-player.

06 Aug 2015 11:29:23
Beat Sneijder did he?

06 Aug 2015 11:47:50
Top 3 with Vidal for sure :D

06 Aug 2015 13:14:49
He gets a testimonial soon

06 Aug 2015 13:32:55
#Legend

06 Aug 2015 09:13:56
Anyone got any insight into the Harry Kane & Nicholas Gaitan rumours?

06 Aug 2015 08:46:52
Eds about the di maria situation. Though he wanted to move to Paris badly he could have done it in a professional way, joining us in the tour handing a transfer request stating his intentions.Could LVg have refused to sell and force him to stay if he had done that way? Why would he go AWOL and then have a medical without permission and degrade his reputation like this?
Just being curious why players would act like this.

{Ed025's Note - because the guy is an arsehole wayne, he did not want to go to united in the first place, and expected the bayern,s and PSG,s of this world to be queueing up for him mate..

06 Aug 2015 11:08:22
Thanks for the reply mate. If this is what he really is why act nice and speak crap about becoming a United legend. A disgrace to the no.7

06 Aug 2015 11:24:23
I thought we got a pretty good price for Ashley Youngs deputy!

06 Aug 2015 06:22:57
I see Rooney is quoted as saying he wants to emulate Gerrard as a captain and leader! Sorry but whatever Gerrards qualities our captain should not be espousing the merits of the ex captain of one of our rivals over some of the great title winning captains at our own club. Rooney mentions Nev and Vidic but aims to be like Gerrard. For me he can be like Gerrard and disappear off to America and especially so after appearing for his beloved Everton in whose shirt he sounded more excited to wear than our own.

06 Aug 2015 07:54:56
Who pissed in your cornflakes then ?

06 Aug 2015 08:01:39
Agreed Redman - Gerrard led by example, but you just felt you needed to give him a good shake when talking. Those type of captains are good for the flakes in the team of which Liverpool and unfortunately we have many, Most of our former captains could do it on the pitch and you felt an aura around them as men as well, if they talked you listened, you didn't have to say "can somebody give him a microphone and a translator".

This sums up Rooney for me, and what's worrying is that since getting that new contract he is not performing particularly well on the pitch so the inspiration he can provide isn't being done - may as well have Young as captain for what good it is doing. For me he is not performing the role of inspiring leader raising others games and leading by example - it's a pointless token appointment now and we are missing out and a tiny advantage that Chelsea, City and Arsenal get from having useful captains.

There wasn't a viable alternative for Utd or England so hard to blame him, but there is now with Schweiny at Utd. Captain is up there with shirt number now, not really that important to most people.

{Ed025's Note - good post that beast..

06 Aug 2015 08:14:53
I should be clear that it was not appearing for Everton but his comment that he was glad his kids had seen him in an Everton shirt was what I found disappointing and disrespectful to THE shirt

{Ed025's Note - he was just being nice to his boyhood club red man, you are reading too much into it imo mate..

06 Aug 2015 08:54:52
Take your devil embroided specs of Red Man. Gerrard was a thorn in our side for years. I hated him playing against us but he was different class in his prime.

You have to remember Rooney and Gerrard aren't just rivals they are friends and have played together for many years in the England set up. Give Wayne a break!

06 Aug 2015 09:12:55
Whatever you feel about Liverpool, Rooney was talking about emulating a great captain and leader, and Gerrard was just that. As for the Everton shirt, it was a testimonial game and players are often invited back, even though they have moved on. Lighten up mate.

06 Aug 2015 09:24:05
This just comes across as a 'Rooney hating' post and you know it will split opinion. I am pretty sure you know what he means when he says how good a captain Gerrard was, even as a rival fan you can see what a driving force he was for Liverpool and he has pulled them through a lot of games in recent years, is that not all he meant?

The bit about the Everton shirt I don't even think deserves comment, there is a reason he got a great reaction from the Everton fans in that match, it appears some of them appreciate his ability more than United fans, no wonder he enjoyed going back there.

{Ed025's Note - im with you GDS..

06 Aug 2015 09:31:42
Stevie G was a great captain and leader, to suggest otherwise is blind tribalism.

06 Aug 2015 09:37:25
Very odd comments but probably because he is simply thick. Keane would have been a better reference. He as probably thinking of club and country but a stupid comment none the less.

06 Aug 2015 09:38:23
In a way Red Man, I get what you're saying but even though I have no love for Gerrard/Pool whatsoever, he was everything you wanted in a skipper. He won games and drove his frankly mediocre team to some glory. Who wouldn't want that in a captain? As a man, I don't like Gerrard but in his prime, he was a great captain. He was no Keane or robbo though.
Rooney is an Everton fan and you have to take that into consideration. Especially with the abuse he gets from them when he goes there. It Not every player that plays for us is a boyhood fan. I think it was more laying things to rest with them. He owes that team a lot. He will never bleed United and he has never messed them around like he did us, but the Rooney bashing has become stale. He's not the player he was,true. But he has always been committed on the pitch in 11 seasons with us. He had a bad dip but I remember when the old Trafford crowd booed giggsy for a season. I'm just bored of the bashing of players on this site and think that we all need to look forward and not back. Or we will end up bitter and living off past glories like the scousers!

{Ed025's Note - well said jimmy..

06 Aug 2015 09:45:07
dont tell me , we should buy lewandowski

06 Aug 2015 09:50:35
Dude really? It's ok for our players to acknowledge that ex players of rival clubs were/are good captains/players. It's not like he is at Liverpool now and Rooney is saying it. As for wearing the Everton shirt I see absolutely no issue with it, he played in a testimonial match at the club he was raised at for a player he admired. You need to chill.

06 Aug 2015 10:12:38
gerrard single handed carried liverpool for years, i thought he was a great captain for them and an inspirational leader at a time when they were well. poor. he could do far worse then emulating him

06 Aug 2015 10:22:37
You sound like a child

06 Aug 2015 10:24:41
rooney
"I think on the pitch probably Steven Gerrardis the one you look at. In difficult situations he has been a leader,"

"Off the pitch, Gary Neville was fantastic for the players and made sure everything was organized. Other lads like David Beckham and Nemanja Vidic were great captains in their own way."

06 Aug 2015 10:38:19
Maybe he meant for national team :)

06 Aug 2015 10:45:21
gds
what happens is , a poster spends a month going on about getting rid of rooney and buying new must have player, lewandowski in this case.

when this doesn't happen you then start getting post like the above

06 Aug 2015 10:52:54
Jred,

Thanks for that, puts it more into context, guessing he was asked who he feels he is most like on and off the pitch. Good answers really.

06 Aug 2015 11:08:53
I admired Gerrards undoubted drive and ability as a player and yes he has been a thorn in our side as a player. I just believe that given the great captains we have had in our history for example Keane, Neville, Robson that for Rooney to name Gerrard is a bizarre choice especially when trying to motivate our team.

Yes Jred I believe we need to upgrade on Rooney on the playing front but I am not impressed with Rooneys motivational message as our Captain on this occasion. If you look back I have not been a big critic of Rooney the player, but as Captain he needs to be careful with his utterings

06 Aug 2015 11:26:02
redman
rooney never played in the same team as robson .
played 1 season with kean.
the captains he played under are.
becks
gerrard
vidic
neville
all the ones he talked about.

but don't let that get in the way

06 Aug 2015 12:11:51
Robson is a revered club ambassador and influence around the club. He had good choices other than Gerrard

06 Aug 2015 12:29:09
redman
he spoke about the captains he played under.
he should maybe of said bobby moore and Beckenbauer.

i think we both know the reason behind your post

06 Aug 2015 12:42:16
dont hand pick quotes and manipulate them to suit your argument red man, you're half way to being a journalist there.

06 Aug 2015 14:05:11
Did he talk about Stevie G during a half time team talk? This is a non-starter Red Man.

Deeps.

06 Aug 2015 16:00:54
jesus, vidic signed for another club while still manchester united captain he should never be talked about in glowing terms by United fans it was a disgrace and he should have been bombed out the following day.
Rooney is not the most articulate of captains but I ont doubt he has the respect of his tem mates,
Gerrard was a great captain for Liverpool, Bobby Moore was a great captain for England

And Finally i'm not sure Rooney is any less articulate or any less stupid than Roy Keane. I don't think Rooney has ever gone out to injure another player on purpose to put him out of the game, he has never been in jail the night before a cup final.
Some of you have very short memories and only look at what you want to see, many of our previous captains have had their faults they are only human, but Rooney is slated for holding the club to ransom and for maybe wanting a move. vidic actually signed for another club while our captain so He ranks miles ahed of vidic IMO

06 Aug 2015 16:35:04
if he wants to be like Gerrard for united i'd welcome it. like so many people have said Gerrard dragged Liverpool through games and most notably almost single-handedly won them the champions league. yes Keane was great, Beckham was good, Vidic and all the other captains but so was Gerrard, Lampard and Viera. as long as he is looking to do right by united I don't care.

To many people on here are quick to get on Rooney's back but he has given us 11 years of hard work and commitment. you can see he always works for the team. yes he wanted more money and he isn't worth 300k a week BUT he is on it. he is 19 goals from being the ALL TIME goalscorer for man utd even though he has had to accommodate Ronaldo, RVN and Van Persie. every season bar the 09/10 season i think he has been happy to sacrifice himself for someone else yet he has still scored that many goals. give the guy a break