Manchester United Banter Archive February 06 2018

 

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06 Feb 2018 23:15:28
Todays commemorations were just another example of what makes Utd as a club so special. Not show biz glitz but honest mancunian values. Respectful, meaningful and dignified.

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06 Feb 2018 23:12:22
do not care what other supporters or people say but as far as european cups we would be close to madrid if it was not for that terrible night.

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06 Feb 2018 23:01:56
Days like today are what make you realise how special it is to be a Manchester United fan. No matter what happens the red flag always flys high. I've grown up in the good times, yet I've always made a point of knowing our history. My grandfather drilled that into me as a kid.
I grew up on stories of Duncan Edwards, Sir Bobby and Tommy Taylor. The one story I want to share with you all is a story my grandad told me about a game at Highbury.
Duncan Edwards dragged us through the game to a 5-4 win ( I may be wrong) and he scored 2 of the most wonderful goals. He remarks how Duncan would drop back to get the ball to drag the team into the game. This turned out to be our last league game before the fateful accident.
Too this day I talk to my grandad about the great games, and he still looks back to that game and maintains there has never been a better team anywhere, they could have ruled the world. Through every single one of those men who took to the pitch this club lives on, our history shaped by them. This club can never forget them, and I'm so proud that we still honour their memories. I can only hope that we can make them players smile wherever they may be with our tributes, the way the brought joy to everyone who supported them.
I'm sorry this is almost a bit of a ramble, I can never really put into words how much heading these stories means to me and the fact that after all these years, mentioning Duncan Edwards can leave my grandad beaming from ear to ear.

A broken plane
A broken dream
A broken heart
A broken team
No words said
A silent vow
We loved you then, we love you now.

Caolán.

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07 Feb 2018 00:06:36
Respect.

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07 Feb 2018 00:47:11
Thanks for sharing caolan I really enjoyed reading that. Unfortunately I never got to see the Busby babes play but my grandfather was in love with them and still speaks in awe much like yours. It’s so sad that We never saw the fruition of this young and immensely talented team. My grandad often laments big Dunc and says he would have been one of the greatest players to have graced the game. Today’s tributes were beautiful and cements why we are the greatest club in the world.

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07 Feb 2018 00:31:28
They were a fantastic team coalan and they would've ruled the football world. But their memory lives in our hearts.

Article about the last game before that terrible night.

goo.gl/dVLBw

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07 Feb 2018 01:02:19
It’s important that the stories get passed through the generations, it’s a huge part of what keeps this incredible club alive.

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07 Feb 2018 01:18:57
Thanks for that article AAA!

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07 Feb 2018 18:26:11
In those days the results were given out as home team first, then away team. So, Arsenal 4 (my heart sank) then Manchester United 5. I can still feel that feeling of complete and utter joy. I was 8 years old!

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06 Feb 2018 21:51:41
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, A review of the current Chelsea FC team

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06 Feb 2018 23:43:20
Good read from a supporters perspective Ed.
Who is this Gola?

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{Ed033's Note - Gola is a poster on our Chelsea rumours site.

06 Feb 2018 22:25:24
Good read that and I agree that the human element often gets ignored by Many most or all supporters to a large extent.
It's a pretty fine line between being a great player and a good player and the ability to cope with the pressure of working in a goldfish bowl with the whole world watching in and analysing your every move is often the difference of becoming a great.
I can't agree with the analysis of the players when only their positives were written about and all the negative traits or points about the players were ignored.

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07 Feb 2018 08:16:49
Thanks Ed. Yeah I tend to agree with Ken as in an objective analysis both positive and negative will be a very good one. Even if from a supporter we should not be closed to objective negative comments. Of course that does not mean constantly dwelling in negative criticism and soaking in doom and gloom. 😉🤔
Too many a times people see and say what they want others to see or hear. But well, we are only human 😉🤔.

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07 Feb 2018 09:50:11
I'm not sure I agree with much of that to be honest.

From the outside looking in there appears to be a deeper more sinister problem developing at Chelsea over the last few years.

I think the human element of his argument is letting the players off the hook. Nobody expects the players to perform every single game but there's a difference between a bad day at the office and completely downing tools. In my opinion they know exactly what their doing and it's totally unacceptable. They have let themselves, the manager, the Club and more importantly the fans down and all this rubbish about pressure and self pity is exactly why their in this position.

For two successive managers the players have won the title they the same players have completely downed tools and surrendered their title as easily as they've won it. If that's not alarming then I don't know what it.

At Chelsea the manger is ultimately the one that pays the price and the players know this. There is no stability at the Club so if/ when the players get tired of the tactics, the training, the sound of his voice or any other reason they wish to come up with they decide they've had enough and don't want to play anymore. What happened to their character, pride, resilience and professionalism?

I do agree that they have a very talented squad 93 points last season is testimony to that. Even City might not surpass that figure this season so just let that sink in considering where they find themselves now. Under Jose they amassed an impressive 87 points.

I have no doubt with a new manager at the helm next season they'll be much improved such is the talent in their squad. How absurd and frustrating is that?

Chelsea have had great success in the last decade hiring and firing managers like confetti. I think this approach has ultimately led to the power shifting from the manger to the dressing room making any sustained period of dominance very difficult.

For some reason they have decided they no longer want to compete in the transfer market, possibly due to funding a new stadium but despite their talented squad and whatever new manager their care to appoint if they don't significant up their game and this includes competing for the best players again then whilst Pep and Jose remain at City and Utd respectively they may find themselves starved of any success for the foreseeable future.

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{Ed002's Note - When was it they "decided they no longer want to compete in the transfer market"? Are you aware how much they have spent this season - I think it is the fourth highest in Europe? They have certainly spent more than Manchester United this season - is that what you find sinister? Perhaps you are also not aware of what has been going on in the past couple of months regarding future transfer and talks that took place last week? I guess not. Hopeless.}

07 Feb 2018 11:59:36
Thank you Ed 2 for your constructive comments. What I find sinister is a group of Championship winning players grotesquely under performing the following year because they seemingly no longer like their manager! This has now happened twice under two of the most successful mangers in the game.

Whilst I don't profess to know the inner workings of the Chelsea dressing room this is the opinion I have formed for want of a better explanation. I disagree with the Chelsea fan Gola's explanation that the players are only human and the pressure is simply to much for them. These are multiple championship winning elite sportsmen. Whilst the post was well intended I just don't agree with that explanation! You don't have to agree with me that's just my worthless opinion I'm not even a Chelsea fan!

I have no idea about Chelsea's current transfer policy or who they attempted to sign in January. They had a net spend of about £90m compared to Utd and City's net spend of around £135m so their certainly not investing all their money generated through player sales back into the squad. Two consecutive mangers have now openly complained regarding their recruitment policy. After title winning seasons they failed to significantly improve their squad in order to take them to the next level and try to win the Champs League. Morata was signed to replace Costa, Babayoko to replace Matic so they've hardly improved on what they had in terms of both quality and numbers despite making significant sums through player sales.

I sorry if you find my post hopeless and I'm assuming you know all about Chelsea's transfer policy and exactly who they attempted to sign in January. Unless you work for the Club then I'll assume not! I get the distinct impression that you don't know half as much as you let on!

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{Ed002's Note - I'll take it paragraph-by-paragraph. (1) You seem to be making this up, Chelsea are third or fourth in the table right behind Manchester United. You are seeing things because I guess social media are telling you that. I appreciate that they have lost a couple of games but clearly this is something you simply don't understand. (2) I have no idea what you mean by the "inner workings of the Chelsea dressing room". Is this some cliched football fan term? (3) Chelsea made considerable purchases in the past two windows - only behind Manchester City. The net sales figure is a complete red herring and simply reflects that players such as Costa sold for decent money. It is very good business and by the way, not in breach of any FFP regulations which two English siodes coming out of the Januray window are being asked to explain. By saying that Chelsea are "certainly not investing all their money generated through player sales back into the squad" is completely nonsensicle after you have just mentioned their "net sales" of £90M - perhaps you are like many struggling with the finances - and in this case very simple mathematics (that would be sums to you). Costa and Matic wanted to leave - it is your "opinion" whether Chelsea have improved or not, but they have players who want to be at the club (I understand it is rather irrelevant to you given your struggle with the subject matter). (4) I know perfectly well what the club have been planning to do and exactly what happened in the November to January window, and what has cointinued last week.

If you are not happy with what I have shared previously on the Manchester United pages because you think I know nothing - then fine. I have no problem not posting here any more.}

07 Feb 2018 12:53:19
Ed 2 - I apologise if I've upset you and I certainly didn't wake up this morning looking for an argument.

Maybe I was over sensitive to the "hopeless" comment and shouldn't have replied!

Chelsea are fourth in the table 6 points behind Utd. Not a disaster by any means but for a Club that demands success Conte will undoubtedly lose his job so maybe he might think otherwise. They are now in real danger of finishing outside the top 4 which surely would be a disaster for Club of their stature.

I don't have the exact figures but they must have considerably less points than they did at this stage last season. How did you explain such a dramatic loss of form especially considering that they have invested so heavily in improving their squad as you have suggested.

I'm sorry but I don't think your correct in any of your response the fact is Chelsea are a shadow of the team they were last season. They haven't significantly invested in their squad merely replaced players that have already left the Club and the fact that they are in this position tells its own story. You obviously don't agree with me and that's fine but surely we can debate without dragging each other through the gutter.

I apologise on behalf of others posters that obviously respect and look forward to your insight I imagine a lot more than reading my drivel and I would hate to ruin that on their behalf. Maybe I should take an extended sabbatical to avoid you throwing your toys out of the pram.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware I said Chelsea are better or as good as last season - please provide the extract where I said that. I am perfectly aware that they won the league last season and won't this - my original comment was regarding your statement over transfers and then your failure to understand what "net" includes. Don't worry about apologising nor taking a sabbatical - I will throw my toys around as it suits me.}

07 Feb 2018 14:22:03
Ed 2 - I figured as much but it was a heartfelt apology in any case.

You didn't say anything about Chelsea or engage in any football debate it's hard to argue with facts anyway, the table doesn't lie. You were more interested in making disparaging remarks about my understanding of the transfer market.

The point I was trying to illustrate with my "net" comment was that whilst Chelsea have obviously spent money in the transfer market they had merely replaced what they already had and not significantly improved the squad taking into consideration that they had also returned to the Champions League (This is merely my opinion, others may not agree) . I was trying to add some context and suggest that maybe their player recruitment could have been better. If I made this point badly without the prerequisite knowledge then I stand corrected.

The fact is that whatever the reason (s) Chelsea are struggling to make Champions League football after winning the title the season before for the second consecutive time under two of the best mangers in world football. I was simply trying to give my opinion on why this might be the case.

The irony of this debate is I couldn't care less about Chelsea, their procrastination and inner turmoil is very much to our advantage. I hope you enjoy the rest of your afternoon and I hope this is all water under the bridge now.

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{Ed002's Note - Ok Danny.}

07 Feb 2018 14:37:53
Please stop Danny!

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07 Feb 2018 14:44:26
I agree with Danny, top to bottom.

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07 Feb 2018 16:10:13
Apologies Ed002 if I had started any misunderstanding anywhere.

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{Ed002's Note - No problem at all.}

06 Feb 2018 18:01:26
Think this is the poem Shan was talking about

Twas the night before Christmas, Old Trafford was bare. Twas the night before Christmas, Old Trafford was bare.
The staff all gone home, there was nobody there.
The lights cast a shadow, a soft glimmer which
lit up the soft green grass on the pitch.

Just as the clock gave out its twelfth chime
An old man appeared, as if frozen in time.
He gazed at the tunnel, then broke out in voice
"ITS TIME TO BEGIN. let's HAVE YOU MY BOYS"

Out from the tunnel appeared a lone figure
Same as in life, only infinitely bigger
The old man called out as he slowly drew near
"good evening Duncan, are the rest of you here"

The figure broke out in wide open smile
"Good Evening Sir Matt, it has been a long while
The rest are all coming, they'll be here soon, "
As seven more shadows were cast by the moon.

Whelan and Bent, Pegg, Taylor and Byrne,
Jones, and Colman, they came out in turn.
He greeted each one, just by calling their name
then proudly announced "do you fancy a game"

They took to the pitch, and the still night was broken
By leather on leather, not one word was spoken
They played once again, like they did long before
And imagined the sound of the Old Trafford roar

Edwards called out "come on lads let's pretend
That we've just scored a goal at the old Stretford End"
As they ran to the edge of the pitch by the goal
There in the stands sat a solitary soul.

His eyes were all puffy, his cheeks wet with tears
As his mind wandered back to those wonderful years
"come down and join us" they cried all as one
"yes come down and join them" said Matt "go on son"

The lonely man stood and with much pain he said
"I'm afraid I can't play with you, you are all dead.
You are all ghosts, and I am alive
That was the price that I paid to survive"

My role was to go on, inspire the team
And finally realise Matt Busbys dream
To tell of your greatness, and as I get older
To burden the weight of your life on my shoulders. "

The ghost of Sir Matt then raised up his head
Giving out a loud groan, he finally said
"Bobby, You survived, that much is true
But we wouldn't be here if it were not for you

For you are the one who has kept us alive
That was the reason you had to survive
If you were with us, all we have would be gone
And the game that we play could no longer go on

If you can't understand why it happened this way
Then come here and watch when United play
They sing about us, they remember us all
We live and we breathe with each kick of the ball

The legends that live here, Robson and Best,
Cantona, Law, Giggs, Scholes and the rest
They are us, we are them, we are all here as one
And that is the reason United goes on

So come down and join us, we're begging you do
You are still one of us, and we're still one of you"
And then Bobbys face rose and he gave them a smile
And he said "I would love to come play for a while"

They played and they played, as they did in the past
Only not quite as skillful, and not quite as fast
And when it was over, and when it was done
They'd defeated Benfica by four goals to one.

Then Sir Matt said "lads, its been fun you know
But It's now Christmas day, and we really must go"
They walked to the front of the stadium and turned
And Sir Bobby said "there is something I've learned"

"You did not die, on that February night
You're still here with us, as you're with me tonight
And you'll live on forever as long as we play
As the ghosts disappeared down Sir Matt Busby way.
The staff all gone home, there was nobody there.
The lights cast a shadow, a soft glimmer which
lit up the soft green grass on the pitch.

Just as the clock gave out its twelfth chime
An old man appeared, as if frozen in time.
He gazed at the tunnel, then broke out in voice
"ITS TIME TO BEGIN. let's HAVE YOU MY BOYS"

Out from the tunnel appeared a lone figure
Same as in life, only infinitely bigger
The old man called out as he slowly drew near
"good evening Duncan, are the rest of you here"

The figure broke out in wide open smile
"Good Evening Sir Matt, it has been a long while
The rest are all coming, they'll be here soon, "
As seven more shadows were cast by the moon.

Whelan and Bent, Pegg, Taylor and Byrne,
Jones, and Colman, they came out in turn.
He greeted each one, just by calling their name
then proudly announced "do you fancy a game"

They took to the pitch, and the still night was broken
By leather on leather, not one word was spoken
They played once again, like they did long before
And imagined the sound of the Old Trafford roar

Edwards called out "come on lads let's pretend
That we've just scored a goal at the old Stretford End"
As they ran to the edge of the pitch by the goal
There in the stands sat a solitary soul.

His eyes were all puffy, his cheeks wet with tears
As his mind wandered back to those wonderful years
"come down and join us" they cried all as one
"yes come down and join them" said Matt "go on son"

The lonely man stood and with much pain he said
"I'm afraid I can't play with you, you are all dead.
You are all ghosts, and I am alive
That was the price that I paid to survive"

My role was to go on, inspire the team
And finally realise Matt Busbys dream
To tell of your greatness, and as I get older
To burden the weight of your life on my shoulders. "

The ghost of Sir Matt then raised up his head
Giving out a loud groan, he finally said
"Bobby, You survived, that much is true
But we wouldn't be here if it were not for you

For you are the one who has kept us alive
That was the reason you had to survive
If you were with us, all we have would be gone
And the game that we play could no longer go on

If you can't understand why it happened this way
Then come here and watch when United play
They sing about us, they remember us all
We live and we breathe with each kick of the ball

The legends that live here, Robson and Best,
Cantona, Law, Giggs, Scholes and the rest
They are us, we are them, we are all here as one
And that is the reason United goes on

So come down and join us, we're begging you do
You are still one of us, and we're still one of you"
And then Bobbys face rose and he gave them a smile
And he said "I would love to come play for a while"

They played and they played, as they did in the past
Only not quite as skillful, and not quite as fast
And when it was over, and when it was done
They'd defeated Benfica by four goals to one.

Then Sir Matt said "lads, its been fun you know
But It's now Christmas day, and we really must go"
They walked to the front of the stadium and turned
And Sir Bobby said "there is something I've learned"

"You did not die, on that February night
You're still here with us, as you're with me tonight
And you'll live on forever as long as we play
As the ghosts disappeared down Sir Matt Busby way.

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06 Feb 2018 18:32:30
Beautiful.

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06 Feb 2018 18:52:05
Thanks Celtic. This i wonderful. So beautiful. Brings a tear down your cheek when you just picturise the poem. can't thank you enough.

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06 Feb 2018 20:10:06
I put this on here at some point a while back. Makes me want to cry every time i read it. So well written and easy to picture the scene. Very sad!

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06 Feb 2018 20:15:18
Incredible. Gets right to you, does that.

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06 Feb 2018 20:45:57
Wow, that is an absolutely stunning poem. Draws you in and makes you visualise the scene. Thoughts are with the fans and survivors of this terrible tragedy.

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06 Feb 2018 21:10:23
So beautifully written. Brought a team to my eye. I love our club even more and I didn’t think that was possible.

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06 Feb 2018 23:33:30
Beautiful that should be read to the players every week before they go on the field.

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07 Feb 2018 00:09:14
Respect.

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07 Feb 2018 10:21:20
Amazin poem.

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06 Feb 2018 16:46:55
There was a very nice poem someone posted here last anniversary of the munich tragedy. It was one where the great spirits played at Old Trafford with Sir Charlton. Can someone post it again please?

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06 Feb 2018 15:34:17
I've mentioned it before, but I used to see Harry Gregg most mornings when I was working up in his neck of the woods. He'd be out walking the dog, and he'd always stop for a chat. He still loved talking about United.

I never dared asked him about Munich, but every now and then his thoughts would drift off, and I could see the pain still raw in his eyes.

An absolute hero, and a giant among men. Glad to see he's gone over to OT one last time, to say his goodbyes to his colleagues and friends.

I'm thinking of him today, and all those he had to leave behind.

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06 Feb 2018 16:00:32
here here stevie.

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06 Feb 2018 20:13:01
The word legend is thrown around far too easily these days. Harry Gregg is a TRUE legend! You can only imagine the torture he has gone through these past 60 years.

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06 Feb 2018 15:37:47
All in all a pretty good weekend for us. Agreed?

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06 Feb 2018 14:34:02
Chelsea must be kicking themselves that they got rid of Matic.

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{Ed002's Note - He wanted to leave so why would they be doing that. They will be thinking about the players they have and not those they don't have.}

06 Feb 2018 14:52:45
I'd imagine they'd be more concerned with the near two full squads of players on loan and how many will want to leave this summer. Or maybe the manager is an even bigger concern.

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{Ed002's Note - They have no concerns about the loan players - each of which has a development plan and is individually monitored.}

06 Feb 2018 13:22:07
Liverpool fan just spending a quite reflective moment to remember the Busby Babes and the awful Munich disaster.

Busby and Shankly were good friends and had total respect for each other.

It would be good to revive the healthy rivalry between our two great clubs and do without the bitterness and sometimes vile outpourings of the mindless elements that claim to support our clubs.

Time to remember all those who died or suffered at Munich. You will never be forgotten.

YNWA.

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06 Feb 2018 14:22:19
Respect mate 👍🏽.

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06 Feb 2018 17:05:30
Nice words Tommy.

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06 Feb 2018 18:33:57
Lovely sentiment mate.

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06 Feb 2018 20:14:11
Spot on Tommy. Thank you.

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06 Feb 2018 12:15:55
RIP to the Busby babes. Been reading up and researching the players that we sadly lost that terrible night and they truly were an amazing team that would have dominated for years. If any hasn’t seen it yet have a look at harry gregg’s poem it is heart wrenching and brings a tear to your eye. I never got the opportunity to watch the Busby babes but my grandfather fell in love with them and is the reason why I support united today. Always in our hearts and part of the DNA of the club.

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06 Feb 2018 09:27:54
RIP boys!

Although your time was short you will play on forever in our hearts.

60 years have now passed but you legend lives on.

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Review Of The Day 6th February 2018

06 Feb 2018 06:08:29
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 6th February 2018

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