Manchester United Banter Archive January 07 2020

 

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07 Jan 2020 23:54:36
Ok guys just to give you a break, I've been thinking this for a few weeks.

AWB is one of the best defensive RBs I think I've seen (and so young) but going forward Jesus he's bad. Traditionally you play overlapping FBs so.

Centerback he could blossom and God knows your not blessed with choices there at the moment.

Discuss.

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08 Jan 2020 00:12:42
we need 7 players and somebody who knows what he is doing idontlooklikeklopp.

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08 Jan 2020 04:22:21
We're not blessed with good options really anywhere on the park just now. AWB is a brilliant 1v1 defender but he is still a bit suspect positionally. His recovery pace hides that for the most part. That's probably not too surprising as he wasn't asked to have the same attacking involvement at Palace.

He has been the player not pushing out which plays someone onside, also sometimes far too narrow when the ball is crossed from the left. He could maybe play in a 3 as an emergency CB but I wouldn't even consider him an option there at the moment.

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08 Jan 2020 06:03:27
Could play RCB in a 3 I reckon but not in a two because I don’t think he’s got the height, but then cannavaro was only 5ft9 (not comparing him to cannavaro) . Great tackler and one of our best buys in a while.

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08 Jan 2020 06:47:50
Idontloklikeklopp

Not the worst suggestion but as a centre back you need to be proficient with your lesser foot and whilst AWB is great when they are on the outside can he do the same when the run on the other side?

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08 Jan 2020 10:02:54
I think he could do a job at RCB of a back three. But he lacks the height and positional sense to play at CB in a back four.

I think the simple solution is to just play a lopsided formation. You allow the left full back to push up, while AWB stays deeper. The LW can then cut in while the LB hugs the touchline. In the right you have AWB stay deep, and have a RW who stays wide. Then you have an AM drift into the half space on the right hand side.
You then have one holding midfielder, and one box to box midfielder who'll push forward when attacking.

You are better off creating tactics that suit your players rather than trying to either force your players into positions they are less suited to or make them play in a style that doesn't suit them.

Ultimately there needs to be a synergy between the players your club buys, the existing squad and the style of play the manager wants the team to play.

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08 Jan 2020 23:17:24
AWB is excellent at defensive FB - he is young and has plenty of time to work on the attacking side of his game. I'd much rather he have the defensive side sorted first! That being said I think he would make an awful CB - not strong enough in the air and his positioning would be found out without the sideline to protect him.

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07 Jan 2020 22:32:47
And the Ole Saga Continues. What arguments shall we witness today. Will the Ole backers keep the faith or will the naysayers convert them. Tune in today for another exciting episode What Is Wrong At Man Utd.

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07 Jan 2020 22:52:32
Not many left to convert st Lucia.

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08 Jan 2020 00:13:11
Still a few Ken ;)

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08 Jan 2020 00:30:03
do not want to offend anybody. but those left do not have a white stick and a labrador do they.

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08 Jan 2020 02:24:13
When you saw the team sheets, what did you think was likely to happen daz? We have a choice of Fred, Andreas and Matic in CM.

Jones at CB.

We need a few players back and a few players out, and a few players in.

I know there is a clammer to hatchet Ole for what us happening right now, but the guy doing a pretty good job with what he's got in my opinion.

I may now be the loan voice 🤣.

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08 Jan 2020 07:41:29
Yes Dodgybanter we did have a choice of Fred, Andreas and Matic, but Ole still insists on starting Jesse, Why.

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08 Jan 2020 08:54:35
because there is no one else in the 10 role to play who is better and maybe he doesn't want to fully kill the guy, his confidence is rock bottom, everywhere and everyone has made it known how poor he has been and other than lingard who else can play the 10?

gomes? no where near good enough. mata has lost his legs and is not good enough,


i don't like lingard but he is the only option we have. unless we change formation.

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08 Jan 2020 09:43:34
We could play Young in there as a 10? Not the long term answer but better than Lingard, Pereira and Mata.
Obvious choice would be Gomez but he’s maybe being overlooked as he wants to leave.

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08 Jan 2020 13:57:47
gomes has had games to show what he can do and he is not up to starting,

this is where we need to play a formation that suits the p, layers we have.

i don't get why we continue to play the same way when its not working.

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08 Jan 2020 15:56:39
I get Gomes has not shown that much when he's started but let's not pretend Lingard, Mata and Pereira have shown anything better.
The differnce is the others have had numerous chnaces depsite being rubbish and Gomes dose not. By watching him play you can tell he's a clever laying with good/ quick feet and has a nice touch. Lingard and Pereira are simply not good enough.

Like i said that's maybe because he wants to leave.

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08 Jan 2020 18:11:04
Eh, why play a formation that requires a 'no10' when wee don't have one in the squad.
352 doesn't require a10
442 does not require a10
433 does not require a 10 as such.
But no we put triangles in round holes.

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08 Jan 2020 23:39:52
Sorry but how can you say Gomes is no where near good enough he's hardly been given any chances and when he has come on it hasn't been in the number 10 position until yesterday when he contributed to our only goal.

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07 Jan 2020 20:40:15
What a total shambles.

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07 Jan 2020 20:56:11
We have played every game with similar formation and tactics. A coach like Pep won't be conned twice. Its a long way back for us in this game and as club in the long run.

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07 Jan 2020 21:11:21
#runningoutofair.

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07 Jan 2020 21:35:04
Loving the hashtags ken. Who got them trending on the site? 😂.

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07 Jan 2020 21:44:53
Ken I think I know who you are baiting with those hashtags 😂. This really is woeful. It’s time to go.

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07 Jan 2020 22:11:34
Nah he can post if he likes all onions are welcome.

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07 Jan 2020 22:26:25
Sorry to burst your bubble, Ken, but my wee lad's just informed me, when I was about to reply with a hashtag, that only sad, old people use them outside of Twitter.

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07 Jan 2020 22:36:36
Thank god we aren't on twitter. Can only imagine the meltdown on there.

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07 Jan 2020 22:42:33
My bubble is fine Stephen. i'm old but quite happy😂. football aside obviously. Tell you wee lad i appreciate his input #thanksweeman.

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{Ed047's Note - ken you need to start taking this banter seriously! 😂

07 Jan 2020 22:50:42
Ed047 life is too short mate😂😂.

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{Ed047's Note - to true mate

07 Jan 2020 18:46:27
Is it true Ed's that Lingard is available for transfer and is being offered to clubs?

Thanks
Damon.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure if he is available but he has made it clear that he wants out and has been offered to at least one side.}

07 Jan 2020 19:04:14
Wow he wants out? I'm surprised by this ed002. Do you know the reason (s) why?

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{Ed002's Note - I imagine he realises it is an amateur set up and he has no viable future - he wants a step up.}

07 Jan 2020 19:20:26
Hahaha step up, he’s got no goals and assists in 12 months, off you go Jesse.

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07 Jan 2020 19:21:57
The latest bluffers on the block, on your bike Jesse, you will be lucky if any team above championship level comes in 4 u.

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07 Jan 2020 19:41:59
Hallelujah!

Messi Lingard outbound on a loan to buy!

I can imagine Italy appealing to him.

Utter rubbish of a player these days.

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07 Jan 2020 19:42:39
Step up 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

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07 Jan 2020 19:53:25
Lingard hasn’t played particularly well in the last 12 months but is that him, the team around him or the tactics he is playing in, prior to that he won the FA cup with a great volley, played for England in a World Cup semi. However, when Ed says it as it is, that he wants out of an amateur set up, for me coaching staff upwards now it’s off you go. Arrogance and denial of the mess we are in, hyped into believing OGS is the messiah. What a mess.

Do I think Lingard is great, no, probably not, but waving him out the door is a bit crass.

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07 Jan 2020 19:59:13
Hardly surprising, out of our current squad he is the player closest to Pogba who himself wants to leave.

I think he might surprise a few if he leaves. Never going to be world class, but a very good player in the right set up.

Both LvG and Mourinho held Lingard in high regard and as an important part of the their squad. They might not have ultimately been successfully with the club but neither are stupid and know more about football than all of us combined.

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07 Jan 2020 20:38:56
Can you tell us the club he has been offered to ed002 please?

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{Ed002's Note - Milan.}

07 Jan 2020 20:52:47
In all fairness to him, he’s probably looking at the like of Smalling and Lukaku who are obviously out in Italy enjoying their football and fancies it himself. You can’t blame the guy, 0 goals and assists or not.
I’m not his biggest fan but as Shappy says, he’ll probably do alright given a chance in a team that plays decent football.

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07 Jan 2020 20:53:52
Rashford will be next if we carry on with this current rubbish show that is Solskjaer, McKenna, Carrick and Phelan.

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07 Jan 2020 21:39:10
I agree shappy. Tidy player having a bad time. Shame on GDS' comment 'off you go'.

GDS, I think ed is referring to a step up in set up not in the stature of the club, there are very few that can beat us there. But there's obviously a lot that has gone on and it seems many of the players are fed up. Most definitely an amateur set up at the moment. Also the way some fans treat him with comments like yours, don't blame him really.

I like Jesse a lot, always have. He's had a bad year but I think he is a good player, particularly in the right set up.

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07 Jan 2020 22:13:20
Jesse welcome in the squad as far as I'm concerned.
Shocked at gds. Not his usual attitude tbh.

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07 Jan 2020 22:26:03
It’s a bit of a kick in the teeth for Ole that Lingard wants out. Didn’t Ole mention him as being one of the players that represent the clubs true character?

The problems are getting deeper as consequence to them not sorting things out last summer. Pogba will influence the squad until he’s out. We need better characters in the squad at a much faster rate than 3 players a season.

Watching the match tonight, I do question what our coaches are telling Lingard. He seems content at passing the ball back to our defence each time he gets the ball. Is no one telling him to have some courage and looking for a forward pass?

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07 Jan 2020 22:29:09
I'm shocked at the faux outrage at GDS's comment.

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{Ed047's Note - I’m shocked that your shocked Nou 😂

07 Jan 2020 22:39:03
Less of your faux outrage, Ed047!

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{Ed047's Note - 🤣🤣ok ok!

07 Jan 2020 22:39:10
i am not shocked he's dead right.

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07 Jan 2020 22:43:52
Outrage? Nothing like a bit of hyberbole Stephen. Has your wee lad an opinion on it?

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07 Jan 2020 23:00:23
I just have to laugh, Kenneth. All the snide, bitchy comments on the live chat about posters who weren't on it, every man and his dog telling us on here for ages how rubbish a player Jesse is, and someone who has constantly belittled Ole since day one accusing someone else of being crass. And yet they're shocked at a comment from GDS. By the way, I think saying you're 'shocked' is a bit hyperbolic as well.

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07 Jan 2020 23:18:09
I have a friend who is in a senior position at Milan. I don't know whether to warn him about Lingard or encourage him that they should buy him.

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07 Jan 2020 23:21:11
Not shocked nou but just a shame. Always liked Jesse and think he's always been a good player for us. Just not having a great time of it.

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07 Jan 2020 23:42:52
I appreciate you like him angelred but the man has averaged 4 goals and 2 assists in the last 5 seasons. If you can’t see that’s part of the reason we are crap then there is no hope!

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07 Jan 2020 23:48:29
I've never had an issue with him, Angel. Thought his social media stuff was a bit silly, but that's probably just my age.

Think he's in that group of players that you had high hopes for, hoped would really kick on, but never really has.

I still think he'd be a good squad player, but I wouldn't be busting a gut to keep anyone who wants out, especially when they haven't got the performances in the bank as collateral.

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07 Jan 2020 23:56:25
I think the worrying question is why these guys want out? Particularly a young homegrown lad like Lingard?

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08 Jan 2020 00:08:33
Young? Is that not the running joke on here about Jesse? :)

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08 Jan 2020 00:16:53
he wants out because in a bad side he is now being found out for how bad he is.

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08 Jan 2020 00:12:24
Simply not had the end product required. He probably needs a new start to kick on a bit. Maybe it will work for him, but Ole has given him more rope than some might have.

If you play creative midfield and your best attribute (lately) is running out of the way to leave space for other more productive players then there is a problem.

Not sure if some of his home life has been affecting him. He has always come across as a Trier, I'm not bothered about what he does on Instagram as long as he performs on the pitch.

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08 Jan 2020 04:23:52
A tidy player, a very good player in right setup, did i just travel to an alternate universe or something?

We are talking about jesse lingard, a guy who hasn't scored or assisted as a no 10 for an entire year, do people understand how bad you have to be to not score or assist for an entire year. Bernardo silva has more goals at OT in his last 2 games here than lingard has in last 2 seasons.

He is a championship player at best, he wants to leave, good riddance. Burning the 100k we give him a week would be more productive than giving it to him. That's how awful he is.

This whole nonsense about a good setup, there isn't one, he got lucky for a few months under jose. He is a headless chicken who runs around a lot, but outside of that he is nothing, he has a first touch that makes lukaku's look great, his passing makes smalling look like iniesta, someone compared him to park, utter bs, he is a coward, watch how he plays, see how many times he actually makes a tackle when the player's infront of him or how many times gets into a 50-50 ball winning situation. In attack his so called running is a myth, he 9/ 10 hides in attack getting in between 2-3 opposition player making sure that getting him involved in attack is nearly impossible. He is the biggest fraud in football and giving him that contract is one of woodward's biggest which would take some doing given Woodward's decision making.

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08 Jan 2020 06:27:11
Lingard is 27, he should be one of the players taking a lead role in fixing this mess but he disappears. It smacks of a player not prepared to put the hard yards in and looking for a way out, and if he has been getting some stick from Ole then maybe he thinks he’s better than he is.

Lingard has had constant stock on here so the reaction tonGDS’s post is laughable. If anyone wants to leave then my vie is also off you go.

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08 Jan 2020 08:21:27
Lingard will be one season in Milan then Bournemouth on a loan to buy, finished at 31.

At Kieran Richardson could play a few positions.

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08 Jan 2020 08:22:13
So it's all the players fault? I see now AJH, forgive me. I thought it might have something to do with the way the club has been acting over the last few years and that some of the players like Jesse are fed up.

But no, it's all the players fault and they should fight this cause no matter what way the club and team is being ran.

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08 Jan 2020 08:35:49
Lol, yes nou :) but seriously, there does seem to be a quite a few that want out now.

Or should they bang their chests, kiss the badge and no matter what stay, fight and fix this mess haha. It sounds good from a fans perspective but in reality doesn't work like that.

Something seems really wrong at the club at the minute.

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08 Jan 2020 23:02:49
angel you get the right to be fed up with how club is run only if you aren't one of the biggest beneficiaries of the club's ineptitude. Lingard wouldn't last more than a season in the utd first team had he played under fergie let alone get a bumper contract. There is no club on this planet who is going to offer the money we pay him currently, however good rioala is.

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07 Jan 2020 15:40:59
So Mario Gotze will be leaving Dortmund at the end of the season, free transfer to take the no10 role, surely he will score/ assist a few more than Messi Lingard. Good bit of business I think.

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07 Jan 2020 16:01:46
Sorry. we don't do sensible transfers here.
Ask chasing mbappe all summer and getting nothing is the thing we mostly do.

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07 Jan 2020 16:20:16
all free transfers go to Juventus :D

Goetze might prefer Liverpool.

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07 Jan 2020 17:13:40
Juventus is perfect place for mercenaries. They offer good money for free released players and then leave them rotting in reserves.
If it were for me I wouldn't go near a Juventus player who joined them on a free - he s there exclusively for the money.

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07 Jan 2020 17:43:44
He is finished. Poor player nowadays. Always injured. Wouldn't take him on a free.

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07 Jan 2020 20:55:46
Poor player, always injured. Guaranteed to be on Woodwards shopping list.

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07 Jan 2020 20:57:13
Weigl’s gone to Benfica and Götze is available for nothing. What a crazy game football is. 3 years ago they would’ve cost near to £100m.

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07 Jan 2020 22:14:01
Amazing 2toms.

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07 Jan 2020 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 7th January 2019

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