Manchester United Banter Archive March 07 2013

 

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07 Mar 2013 22:25:18
getting bored off all the rubbish rumours people get off rubbish newspapers about rooney if u go by them then united would of had millions of players e. g. hazard and many more wayne signed a long term contract to end rumours! just move on rooney will still be uniteds number 10 for years to come!!

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07 Mar 2013 22:20:31
would any utd fans really want the habitual diver gareth bale in thier side, I thought utd fans did not like that sort of player, you have to laugh at the tv pundits, saying his only crime is getting caught, as I said before, its one rule for homegrown players, and if your from a different country, you will get mass abuse, fact.

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That ship has sailed, he has eyes for Madrid/Barca, I'm not that fussed if he doesn't come to us, there are plenty of fish in the sea. Signing so called "established world class" players can be a bit hit and miss anyway. I've also not seen much from him against top class defenders/opposition. That's not to say I wouldn't welcome him at the club, I just think the sort of money spurs would want I'd rather spend on say Gotze and a bit for someone else.

Supasub

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You're just bitter cause the Scouse-house would never be in contention for his signature.

Players of his calibre wouldn't even bat an eye-lid at offers from your club. All you can do is settle for your Sturridges, Borinis and Herdersons lol

ALDUtd

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So Ashley Young wasn't pilloried for it, by pundits, opposition fans and United fans alike?

FHS

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I will give you Borini but he has been injured too much this year to really tell how good he is. But Sturridge has scored more goals in 7 games than your beloved welbeck has in over 30. Henderson has out scored him as well. Even downing has out scored him, young, and is even with nani, You can argue league position, I would, but we are on the up and you are are considering selling one of your better players and I am quite happy with that. I wouldn't want bale at Liverpool, we can do way better than that, I mean we did lure the leagues top scorer here after all.

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Thought you were all wanting a habitual diver back in the side. Ronaldo apparently is what you want. Dived plenty before for you.

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Talk of diving guys? Well look no further than Suarez!
Also, when rvp was top scorer, we were one man team, now Suarez is top scorer, scousers are what?
Keep following our site, u know what a proper football club is.
I think you're in transition!
Nomidfield

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Red rat are you Suarez's love child. We all know he's the greatest ever striker to ever grace a football field ha ha. Your on the up are you. Have you escaped from your padded cell. RODGERS FOR LIFE
Blackpool Red

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Lol, Red Rat the gap is 29 points and counting, there's no argument to be had silly! Only 28 games played and you are already 10 wins behind us. We could sell Rooney plus half our team and still be ahead.

Oh of course I forgot Pool are 'on the up' and we are about to decline? Get real son, and try remembering how often you've heard that in the last 20 years.

HBadger

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07 Mar 2013 21:45:58
One of these three guys need to be brought in next season.
Gareth Bale. The man is a beast, fast, skillful and I predict the next best player in the world.
39 Appearances 24 Goals.
Cristiano Ronaldo. No need to explain how good this guy is. 41 Appearances 37 Goals.
James Rodriguez. This guy has the full potential to be the best in the world. 22 Appearances 8 Goals.

My opinion, Gareth Bale is the guy that will sort our left wing problems out. Nani and Young are too incontinence and Giggs will retire end of next season.
Eds/Syd any comments?

NorthRed {Ed004's Note - I would be happy if Bale was signed but I think the right side is a more pressing concern}

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I never realised Nani and Young's health problems were so bad.

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Wearing a nappy would be detrimental to your form alright!

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*inconsistent, Sorry :)
NorthRed

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I think he meant fletcher, not nani and young

Jaxer

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Best. Typo. Ever.

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Do you not think Zaha will solve our right sided problems Ed? {Ed004's Note - No not yet anyways. Maybe in a few season time}

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Its getting desperate with the bale post's! He will NOT be joining!

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I think we have plenty of players who can do a great job on the right. Valencia Nani and Young are out of form but I would expect their form to improve next season, Welbeck could well play there. And Zaha could suprise a few people, He has a lot of talent, put him in a better team with better players and watch him improve. Yes he's raw but he'll need games to smooth out the rough edges.

The left side for me is more of a concern, Kagawa and Young can play there but it's not Kagawa's best position and Young isn't of the highest quality. Other than them two the only other player who can fill in there is Nani but it's not his best position and there is doubt he'll be here next season.

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I wouldn't want bale in our side unless fergie could sign him with a clause that bans any diving and more importantly any ridiculously annoying heart celebrations, about as disgusting as Wengers special coat.

Snakey

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This post has given me incontinence ha ha quality. But Nani and Young running round in nappies could explain their poor form this season. Seriously though Bale will not be a United player next season, there is no way Levy would sell him to us for less than £100 million as he is a cock. There is no way we will sign a tottenham player (because of Levy), city player (because of rivalry) or liverpool player (because they are all sh*t) probably ever. Ronaldo is a possibility if he really isn't going to sign a new contract as is Rodriguez if Fergie really wants him.

Brendan

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Spurs will be interested in Rooney and I think a swap with cash could happen.

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07 Mar 2013 21:44:17
Definitely Rooney has lost his spark, and his value is going to go down in time. Sell him and buy Ronaldo OR Falcao OR Bale!

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You say it like it's a simple as a click of the fingers.

Selling Rooney definitely won't raise enough cash for Bale or Ronaldo, and if the figures being mentioned are even close to accurate, not Falcao either. He'd free up a fair bit on the wage bill though.

I don't think there'll be a long cue for Rooney, would be surprised if offeres from Prem teams were entertained for even a second. I don't think he's wanted by most on the continent. Maybe PSG, but then he has to agree.

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Barca are selling villa and Sanchez, I think Rooney would fit like a glove into that team

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Rooney fit into barca? Are you joking? Their whole philosophy is NOT giving the ball away, Rooney is a great player but technically is nowhere near barca standard

Snakey

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But mess I has already come out and said he wants to play alongside Rooney.
If we sell Rooney and Valencia plus a couple of fringe players, that will raise around £50m.
We then should have around £90m to spend. Bale and goetze or falcao will be great.
If fergie is seriously angry about our exit and that we will win CL next year, then we must try and buy THE BEST. We have a lot of young hopefuls, but we need to balance with proven players.
Nomidfield

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07 Mar 2013 21:27:41
Sick of people saying rooneys leaving in the summer due to been on the bench, SAF had his tactic which unfortunately didn't work doesn't mean he doesn't see wazza as a starting player any more, do yous actually think SAF sees welbeck higher in the pecking order than Rooney for other games

In SAF we trust

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07 Mar 2013 20:32:41
Sorry for the lateness of the post but blame the wife ^^

I would just like to say how proud I was with how United played on Tuesday. The last season or so I had thought the squad had been well below bar comparing to past teams but I got to take my hat off for how impressive they have been recently. Wonderfully tactics, a near perfect line up and only for a very dubious decision where we close to pulling off 1 of the best footballing nights ever.

I totally agree with Fergie and the players for not talking to the press as again we have been hard done by in Europe. I would really love Fergie to tell them to go shove it next season but the sheer lose of money would be too great but I really believe Uefa have something against United/British teams.

Anyway i'm not here to rant but say good job. United really looked like a great team the other night and keep your heads held high.

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07 Mar 2013 20:26:34
I got slated on the scousers page, including by an Ed for daring to suggest winning the Champins League is harder than winning the old European Cup. Am I right? All views welcome

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Well, to be fair mate you can see their point.

We don't have to fight past the might of the Irish league champions, or the Icelandic champions, or the Albanian champions to reach a final.

Just the top 3 or 4 teams from every major European footballing nation.

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I think each season is different in it's own right. You can argue it's more competitive and format changes may have effected it.

You'll always see a difference of opinion.

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Haha shows how they are clinging to their past even more than ever. Of course it is harder now! More quality teams and more quality players to play against ie harder to win!

Jono

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If is was so easy then why did you not win them then? I said it on the night on this page, you were robbed blind, it was a disgraceful call, yellow at most, changed the game, so a few liverpool fans had a go, were you surprised by that. grow up and stop making a prat of yourself and get on with it, and by knocking our wins back in the day so too are you knocking your own win in 68. next generation will say winning cl in 2013/2014 and so on was so easy, in fact every thing in the past was easier so to say.

B O H

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Personally i'd say it's harder to win now then before, if you look at all the teams with more than five cups then you'll notice that most of those cups were won under the old format, where one team would dominate and win it several years in a row (i. e Madrid five times in a row).

It's no coincedence that since the format change no team has won back to back titles. Even possibly the greatest club side ever in this current Barca side. I think this shows that it's a tougher competition now.

You play less games but they are against much better sides. The only advantage I see to the new format is you get a chance to drop a clanger in the group stages and not get knocked out, but like I said you are playing much higher quality competition.

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07 Mar 2013 21:49:21
@AJH - why do you go stirring up the pondlife?

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BOH - we didn't win it more back then, because we couldn't win the bloody league off you lot!

I dare say if he had managed to get past one of the best English teams in history, we could probably have coped with Linfield and FC Tirana et al.

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Liverpool had a good team at the right time. Barcelona weren't any good neither were real madrid ajax were finished & so were bayern munich. Probably the only other decent team around the time in the 80's were Juventus. Much easier to win in my eyes
Blackpool Red

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07 Mar 2013 20:08:02
I have to say I'm a huge rooney fan but I've had a nagging feeling for some time now that he may be on the way. If you see through all the hype over his performance against Norwich you'll see he was below average for most of the game. There have been quite a few of these from him. However I do thinkit would be a huge mistake to let him go. I think the likes of nani young cleverly and it hurts to say Anderson should go first.
Fran.

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Young & Cleverley are not going anywhere. You would be foolish to think otherwise.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Not sure i would want them to. Neither will set the world alight but every top team needs them in the squad}

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07 Mar 2013 20:06:27
Would we sell rooney to an english team? would rooney leave to go to the french league? Are spanish clubs even interested? I think rooney and united are stuck with each other.
i think its a lose lose for both if he leaves. Even though there are better players around I wouldn't want to face a team with rooney.

Sulei {Ed004's Note - I reckon PSG is the only real option tbh}

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We wouldn't sell him to City but I do believe Chelsea could be an option (they have a habit of signing over the hill strikers i. e Shevchenko and Torres. lol).

For me it's Chelsea or PSG, Juventus could be an option if the fee was closer to 20m but I wouldn't expect them to pay him the wages he wants.

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I don't see what the problem would be selling him to any club in the pl if the manager has made up his mind.

If it were to happen he would obviously be looking to buy a marque name as a replacement and facing him twice a year would not be a concern.

It is silly to think he will rip us apart if he played for someone else as he is currently not doing it when playing for us with a pretty darn good group of players around him.

Shahram

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07 Mar 2013 18:42:19
he eds what do you think is more likely 5 proven premier league player's or 5 full of potential foreinger's for half the money
paddy the irish man {Ed004's Note - A mixture. But more likely 5 proven/ players with premiership experience.}

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Cabaye, Strootman, lewy, Zaha and possibly a defender!

Jono

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Speaking of defenders the guy we are supposedly interested Garay is a beast and having watched a few Benfica games they must be one of the toughest teams to score against at the moment.

Shahram

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Agreed, I'm in Portugal a lot and the benfica supporters all think he's one of the best defenders they've ever had. That's saying something!
Nomidfield

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Neither, we will not make 5 signings in total IMO.

HBadger

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07 Mar 2013 18:40:37
i was just thinking could a swap be on with newcastle welbeck anderson and powell on loan for cabaye

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Not sure I would use the word "thinking" with the contents of that statement.

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I like Cabaye, but think that deal would be valuing him slightly high. Welbeck, for all my doubts, looks like he's played himself into a role at the club, and is probably going to be an England regular in the next lot of years.

Ando remains so frustrating. I'd still be tempted, against everything my head tells me, to give him another season, unless we can use him as a makeweight for a deal involving someone we'll have to pay top dollar for, like Rodriguez.

Powell on loan, providing we get a new midfielder, and cash might tempt them.

It's all about the cash with Ashley.

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Let cabaye stay at newcastle aim higher

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No name

Who would you sign for CM then?

Jono

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Steady Jono, we've all had a drink.

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I have had many mate haha

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Mick that is funny. so we give NC 3 players for cabaye. Hmmm we can get a lot better than cabaye if we were offering those 3 players.

Shahram

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Not bloody cabaye again! I think fresh might have started this. Cabaye is not united quality, period,
Do u see barca, real, Bayern trying to buy him? No.
Nomidfield

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07 Mar 2013 17:30:50
The whole Rooney thing is very interesting, but regardless of whether he is sold or not I think we will have a fairly quiet summer, and by that I mean a LB and a young CM (strootman & baines). Are we really willing to pay 35m euros for rodriguez? I don't think so. {Ed004's Note - Surely a Nani replacement will be signed as our wingers have been very poor}

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Have we not already signed a winger namely Zaha who I think will suprise a few on here next season, also I don't think we will sign a left back unless evra goes.

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This summer should be anything but quiet.

Sydney!

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Ed, that may be the case, but is there a single winger that we may see as value for money in the market at the moment? if the answer is no, then I don't see anyone coming in. {Ed004's Note - We have failed in trying to get Rodriguez, Moura and Hazard. This year will see huge spending something united will compete with I am sure. They will not fall behind IMO. Personally to raise funds in an ideal and unrealistic summer I'd sell Nani, Valencia/Young and Rooney to finance a summer of Strootman, Rodriguez and Ronaldo and if any money is then left over a left back like Baines with Evra leaving but I reckon Evra will be here another season, though a young cb to replace Rio like Zouma could come in}

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I'm with ed004 on his ins and outs, that would be a quality summer and squad.

Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - I can't put it into a formation but it would be a 4231 and there aren't any weaknesses in the team}

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Lewandoski will come in Rooney leave imo

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Ed004 you thinking.

DeGea
Rafael. Vidic. Evans. Evra
Strootman. Carrick
Rodriguez. Kagawa. Ronaldo
RVP

You have no idea how happy I would be next year with that.

Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - Yes possibly Baines but Evra has improved recently and I think long term it will be Smalling beside Vidic it would be one hell of a team}

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I think we will see a very busy summer and at least one big signing maybe 2. I expect us to buy at least one 30 mill player and if the rooney rumour is true expect another player of that sort of cost. Goetze, Rodriguez, lewy, strootman might be on the cards.

Say what you want but this would be some team if it actually happened.

Shahram

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07 Mar 2013 16:20:29
I know a lot of people don't want Mourinho to take over SAF and I completely understand. But, he obviously really wants the job and I think he would be brilliant here. I think he has mellowed a little bit now to get the united board (Charlton etc) on his side as well because we know Sir Bobby didn't like the idea.
Commercially he would be as good as he is a tactician and bringing Varane into a regular first team spot shows he is giving youth a chance. Pep would be great but I think I would love Mourinho here with Giggs/Ole as his number 2. I reckon Mourinho will go to PSG for a few years and then perhaps take over at OT.

Dan

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So what is sir bobby doesn't like it, he is the best manager for the job.
personal feeling should be pushed aside.

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Sir Bobby epitomises the spirit of the club and the class with which we try to conduct ourselves.

If you want a manager who will constantly attract negative headlines with his antics, that will reflect badly on the club, then fair enough, Jose's your man.

Fergie's no saint, but when he goes over the top, it's to protect the club or the players, not because he revels in the notoriety.

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But doesn't Jose do the same?

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You might think of it like that, I just think he loves the attention a little too much.

I thought we were a big club, capable of attracting the very finest of men as managers, rather than just some narcissist's plaything.

He's too high-maintenance and would end up picking unnecessary fights with other managers, the media, and probably his own players.

I think he would bring the reputation of our club into disrepute.

If he comes here, hopefully I'll be proved wrong, and maybe he is mellowing in his old age. maybe.

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07 Mar 2013 15:32:31
If you haven't already seen it, Ian Holloway mentions 'RooneyGate' and the 'sending off' in a video on SlySports. The bloke speaks the most sense in football. I cannot wait to see him back in the PL.

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"To put it in gentleman's terms, if you've been out for a night and you're looking for a young lady and you pull one, you've done what you set out to do. We didn't look our best today but we've pulled. Some weeks the lady is good looking and some weeks they're not. Our performance today would have been not the best looking bird but at least we got her in the taxi. She may not have been the best looking lady we ended up taking home but it was still very pleasant and very nice, so thanks very much, and let's have coffee"

The bloke does talk sense.

Melbourne CFC

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07 Mar 2013 15:41:49
I don't think we will create an atmosphere like tuesday for a long time, i'm still tingling now but if we could come close to that on sunday then I think chelsea will bottle it they will crap their pants like they did at the etihad. I dream of an OT that has that much passion for every game but its what makes those single european nights that extra special

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Great atmosphere tuesday, it used to be like that nearly every home game, now its about 6 games a season. it will be a good atmosphere on sunday as well
johndenton

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Offcourse we will, Next year when we first knock Juventus out and that little rubbish Pogba and then we get pay back on Madrid hopefully.

Shahram

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07 Mar 2013 15:33:41
Rooney will not be going anywhere all we need to do this season is clear out the fringes like anderson young nani and concentrate on signing bale and baines

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07 Mar 2013 15:21:31
5 THINGS NOT TO SAY TO UTD FANS THIS WEEK.
1/ say to them o get real.
2/say my favourite band is simply red.
3/say to them you have just been robbed.
4/say there's a nice red card on mothers day.
5/say nani is a wimp who cries like a baby out on the football pitch- because now we know he's not, and he can kick you to the ground like steven seagal lol.

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Oh dear, the first cringey post of the day. I feel embarrassed for you.

Sydney!

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You forgot to misuse P. S.

Melbourne CFC

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That is p*ss poor banter, not even a good effort.

Rouge Diablo :)

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07 Mar 2013 15:44:35
rather amusing lfc, better than most the tripe that I have read on your deluded page about the game anyway. I believe every pl player will now fear for their lives when up against nani and will think twice when attempting to chase him down the wing ;)

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My god liverpool really is the capital of comedy, or is that just Anfield?

Brendan81

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5 things to say to a liverpool fan to add to their delusions of grandeur.
1: next season will be your season!
2: next season will be your season!
3: next season will be your season!
4: next season will be your season!
5: next season will be your season!

I think its gas how over the years a lot of you would say this towards the end of the season whereas now over the last few its normally 6 or 7 games into a new season before you start LOL!

every year you have a few good games and play well and insist that if you had played like that all season you would win everything! I love liverpool fans, in the sense that you're not a threat in any way shape or form but still believe you are! the way you think you have a divine right to be considered a top team despite achieving nothing for a long looooooooooooong time!

I can sit here proud of united after tuesday they were quality! I'm not angry over the red card just gutted that we didn't go through! some decisions go for you some go against you sh1t happens as they say! this season is our season (as are most) I can say based on fact, quality, class and consistency that next season will be our season too whereas you all say it based on fantasy and dwindling false hope because you can't accept the reality that you are an average team! thanks for reading!

Jamal.

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It's no wonder that Liverpool is known as the capital of comedy. This is absolutely genius. I am sure this must be John Bishop because I can only think of him who is as funny as this. Everyone else may think that you are a sad little person who is infatuated with MUFC but I think you are a comic genius

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What?

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When I started reading that I thought it may have been good but alas it was poor good try though lfc

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What time do Zenit kick off tonight guys? :-)

Brendan81

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07 Mar 2013 14:36:56
I think Mourinho in a way he has been humbled by his experiences in other European leagues! While the pressure and scrutiny from the media in the premier league is immense there is nobody more passionate, supportive or patient as premier league fans and I think his eyes have been opened to this! For me, I'd love him at United but I think SAF still has a couple of years left before he decides to retire so for this reason in my opinion Jose will take the PSG job in the summer with the hope that he can replace SAF in a couple of years! Just my opinion! Thoughts?

Jamal.

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07 Mar 2013 13:57:43
Dear posters, I am posting here for the first time. just wanted to hear the thoughts of other united supporters regards to kagawa. will he be an integral part of united next season when he had his bedding in period and when he hopefully acclimatised to the more physical and fast paced nature of english football? Or will he just proove to be a squad player?
My thoughts are that he's good as a link up player with his one and two touch passes and his through balls are deft. would like him to take on players on more eventhough he's not an out and out winger. Which is his best position? Behind the main forward or the most advanced in a midfield 3?

Bryanrobson7

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I think he can player either role, at that I think he can play almost anywhere in the midfield, but certainly he's most effective behind the forward, in my opinion.

The lineups recently suggested he was being used on the left but I don't think that a true tell of what role he was playing, I think we play a much more 'fluid' (for want of a better word) attacking four than we used to play.

A few more performances like the other day and he'll certainly be a key member of the squad. There's no doubting his ability, and I think's he's starting to show that he's adapting to the United set up and demands of the English game.

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Hi tm. agreed on yr points. My main concern is he will end up like seba veron. Although they play in different position and role, I feel that like seba, kagawa has been physically outmuscled more times than I would like and lii think that we should give kagawa more of the ball and get him involved in the link up play more. Felt that seba should have been the fulcrum of the 2001- 2003 team like how alonso is to real. Anyway hope kagawa beefs up and he gets a good run for the remainder of the season.

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07 Mar 2013 13:43:14
Has RVP been given the #10 shirt?

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He doesn't play anymore does he

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07 Mar 2013 13:36:43
Quite Frankly if we sell Rooney that's the worst piece of business ever! Has anyone thought of how well RVP played as past while? he's been very poor plus missed big chances against real madrid in First leg! Rooney still is our Main man. Utter madness to consider selling him

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07 Mar 2013 14:16:59
Nonsense.

Whistler.

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I can't see where a lot of the criticism is coming from. He may not be Ronaldo or Messi, but he is a fantastic player.

People are ranting about his chance against Real, it wasn't that clear cut, and was just one opportunity.

He's been getting goals recently, and granted he looks a yard off the pace at time, but despite is linking up will and effecting games positively for us.

His average goals & assists per game for the season, are higher than has average over the rest of his United career. He must be something right, and if we sold him I think we'd regret it when he starts hitting top form again, which I think he will. Just my opinion.

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I have said for a very long time now that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see WR offloaded this summer. Two years left on his contract, showing signs of decline. Having fitness troubles. I think it's the perfect time to sell in terms of getting the best price for him. The manager knows when to sell a player and it's usually when the player is showing signs of decline.

I am sure if Rooney had a better attitude and stayed off the fags, beer & junk food whilst at home and made sure he was 100% fit at all times like Ronaldo for example or 99. 9% of other professional athletes, then I am sure he would still be at his peak and would be offered a new deal by the club. Watching him for the past two season I have noticed he is slowing down and if the manager believed it was time to sell I would be right behind him.

Sydney!

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TM, what criticism? IMO Rooney is still a top player and still has a lot to offer, but does the effort he puts in warrant the salary he is getting? Also could the money he would raise benefit the club more so than he will? It's the manager's and the club's decision, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him offloaded this summer if they can move him on. It may be difficult if he doesn't want to leave.

Sydney!

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At 27 years old, Rooney can't keep his weight in check. His work rate on the field is exemplary, but it looks like he doesn't work hard enough off the field.

If Ferguson has lost belief in Rooney, I think selling him is the best way to go. In 26 years as manchester united boss, only 2 players were pushed out by Ferguson while they still had something to offer ( Beckham and Stam ), so if he wants Rooney out, that is definetly the way to go.

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One specific point I'd like to touch on from a point made by TM -

Many of Rooney's haters have slagged him rotten for the chance he missed in the 2nd leg, some even said his conditioning/weight was to blame! Don't get me wrong it was a half chance but what do the same people make of RVP's missed chance in the 1st leg? Personally, I thought it was far more clear cut.

At the time I said of RVP that he shouldn't be condemned and we should remember what he has done for us this season, many agreed with me. Well too me we should do the same with Rooney, or any of our players.

Some people seem only too happy to condemn Wayne but that is just my opinion.

HBadger

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07 Mar 2013 16:02:02
Absolutely agree 100% Sydney!

No one can question Rooney's talent, ability, technique, etc. What people question are his lifestyle choices, and his level of professionalism/dedication. It's clear for everyone to see on the pitch and fit and healthy Wayne Rooney, against a Wayne Rooney who has clearly not been taking his health seriously recently. It's such as shame because if Rooney had the hunger (no pun inteneded) and drive like Cristiano, I do imagine and wonder sometimes just how good he could be. Offering a comparison, he's akin to another favoured sport of mine - boxing, and the legendary Ricky Hatton. Talent is absolutetly unquestionable, however lifestyle choices are questionable. In order to be THE very best in the world, you need both talent and 110% dedication to your profession.

WF Red Devil

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Sydney,

There's plenty of criticism, I was pointing the finger at you if that's what you thought, or anyone on this site for that matter.

Rooney is undoubtedly a fantastic player, with tremendous natural ability. I agree with you, that he needs to work harder in certain aspects, away from the pitch, because he's obviously not at his fittest.

I think his ability justifies giving him time to find fitness though. I'm not sure I buy this idea that there is a big rift.

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TM, I just wasn't aware of any Rooney criticism.

I also think SAF has given Rooney plenty of time to get into shape. He hasn't really been the same player since 2010. I'm not sure he can get back to his best now.

Sydney!

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I'm not convinced he can either but we're at the start of march, there's still plenty of football to be played.

I think some people are getting ahead of themselves guessing at who's in or out before this season is even over.

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07 Mar 2013 12:10:33
There's an intriguing article in the sun today, I know a lot of people don't like it and they do write rubbish, but hey it cost 40p.

Steven Howard has written about Mourinhos apparent attempts at charming his way into the united job. He mentions him being less exuberant in his antics, and his flattering comments of Fergie and the United team. There's also a bit on Jorge Mendes and tempting united with mourinho and Ronaldo, but that's a bit far fetched for me.

I'm caught in two minds over whether I'd like Jose here, his record is indisputable but is he what united need or want.

Wondering what people's thoughts are on it.

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Mourinho seems to have calmed down since his Chelsea days. The interviews are not all about him anymore and he seems to credit other teams a lot more than he used to. I'd welcome him, he has the winning mentality and intelligence Manchester United require in a manager

ALDUtd

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ALDUtd - everything is about Jose.


From leaving the pitchside early, to talking to Fergie after the red card, to walking off after coming out with one sentence in his initial post-match interview, to the 'humble' 'the best team lost' comment.

Everything is about Jose.

Apart from the red card, that's all anyone is talking about - he's good, I'll give him that!

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So now one manager cannot console a bad decision with another? I agree the leaving pitch-side early and his comments was playing it a bit but what he said under his hands to Fergu I think was off the cuff.

I just feel that a massive club needs a massive personality in its manager. Could you imagine a timid manager at this club?

My opinion is, there's going to be a big gap to fill when Fergy steps down and I feel Mourinho is the one to fill it, his record speaks for itself

ALDUtd

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Not arguing he's a top manager mate, with an ego that would mean he could handle the pressure.

I actually used to like him when he was at Chelsea. His time in Spain has swung me completely the other way - where I used to see charisma, I now just see a classless boor, who is only in it for personal glory.

Maybe he's mellowing - I'd like to see the old Jose back.

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07 Mar 2013 12:48:29
Like it or not, I think Mourinho will be Fergie's successor. Excellent relationship with Fergie, his last interview and even when Nani was sent off. Mourinho dropped his super biased arrogance against us and acted as if he was on our side. He's coming guys.
JS

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07 Mar 2013 08:31:38
Inner source from the club said united have enquired about unsettled witsel and from the players agent side responce was positive.
Witsel is not happy there because of recist comments and life outside the stedium.

Now my question for ed 002 is do u know any other player other than strootman who is closely linked with united for midfield position?

Rodio17 {Ed002's Note - Your "inner source from the club" is mistaken. "Close" is entirely subjective.}

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Reminds me of Keano. Dirty streak behind him and has a bit of a temper but can add much needed muscle to our midfield.
Jam

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07 Mar 2013 11:45:26
One of the worst things about losing to Madrid in the CL is that we can't play and beat Juventus, just to rub that little brats nose in it. I think Pogba is a real person, if he ever plays at Old Trafford again I cannot imagine how bad the reaction to him will be. He clearly had no love for the club, good riddence.

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There's been a lot if debate on here about him being poorly advised by his agents etc but if you look at his latest statement and his career as a whole you would have to wonder if he is just an ar5e

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Jred, you couldn't be more right my friend. Apparently he said to paddy Crerand that he is leaving for more cash and he has to put his family first. I think it's obvious what type of person this man is.

Sydney!

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Sorry guys but you must be wrong - remember KLOOT told us all he 'has United in his heart' or some sh!t like that ;)

HBadger

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I read what he said and he is not even worth wasting time on.

Shahram

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Pogba, s gone forget him get over it
johndenton

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07 Mar 2013 11:26:42
After watching the game on tues along with half the world. Yes the decision was harsh, but if you look how we played in the final 15 mins, we were battering Real and their keeper made a few saves. The problem was the concentration in the 10 mins after Nani going. We lost it and got wrapped up in the anger and frustration of it all. Once we settled back down we could have scored 2 or 3.
I think the difference was our finishing, over both legs we created many chances and missed them.


Sambo

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Agree that out disposition immediately after the sending off was poor - but to me it seemed that JM switched his team around not to defend their 2 goal league; but to limit his team to 2 goals and avoid embarrassing us.

From the moment Nani got sent off we had lost that game. Had our finishing been better up to that point we could perhaps have held on - but they were always going to score at least 2 once we went down to 10 men!

T0MB0Z

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I disagree. I thought we did fairly well once Nani was sent off but we had 10 players on the pitch that had worked their socks off for nearly an hour and they just couldn't cope with the extra man. It's all very easy to say that we did well for the last 15-20 but let's bare in mind that Madrid had the goals they needed by this point and were no longer trying to relentlessly push forward.

We did fantastically well and never gave up but if Real Madrid hadn't stopped commiting so many men forward, they could've put another couple past us atleast.

TK-Red

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TK, completely agree, another thing I noticed was Modric came on as soon as Nani went off. I don't think he would have come on then otherwise and it was Modric who got the first goal. He was constricted to a long shot as the United brick wall was solid.

Sydney!

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I think sambo is right, the first 10 minutes after the red were crucial madrid reacted very well took a defender of and brought modric on and got two quick goals. We looked a bit shocked with the situation and by the time we got organized we had coincided 2.
I think madrid reacted better to the red card than we did

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Madrid played the game they needed to. They brought on a midfielder for a defender when they needed goals. Once they had their lead they put on an extra defender and took off a midfielder to hold onto it.

We played a high intensity game, that wasn't sustainable once we had 10 men, the players were visibly fatigued.

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07 Mar 2013 11:17:44
Very interesting to see that all the papers are now saying what I have been saying for the past year about the spud faced nipper. Maybe Sir Alex is also agreeing with my thoughts on his fitness ball retention and future at United. If Sir Alex sells him this summer there are going to be an awful lot of you who have given me so much stick about him with egg on your faces. Sometimes all you have to do is open your eyes and look at what's happening. It doesn't make you less of a supporter if you say something is not right or more of a supporter if you just blindly follow the crowd. Personally I don't think any other club will pay him what he foolishly believes he is worth. I just hope somewhere in his soul he finds the need to prove doubters like me wrong and really pulls out all the stops till the end of the season. As we all know though When Sir Alex thinks its time to go, its time to go

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I have to say I am with KLOOT on this, when you see the way Ronaldo keeps himself in top physical shape and then you see Rooney it is no wonder one is on top of his game and the other is on the way down. People will argue that its just the way Rooney is made that he puts weight on easily but really it is a distinct lack of discipline on his part. He doesn't have to eat crap and yet he obviously does, the fact that he has also been seen smoking doesn't help his cause either. Rooney could have been sensational and yet indiscipline on and off the pitch has meant he has never got to the Messi/Ronaldo standards. Sad but true and maybe now is the right time for both parties to go their seperate ways.

Brendan81

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It will be difficult to sell him IMO as he may not want to leave England. I wouldn't be surprised if he runs his contract down. I cannot see why United would offer him an improved contract when he cannot be bothered to keep fit and his body is no longer what it used to be. Rooney will be protected until May by the club and even by the manager I suspect as we have a title to win, but I think the club will listen to offers in the summer.

In terms of business, this summer is the right time to sell Rooney. Whether we do or not remains to be seen, but it's the right time to sell him for maximum return. We will see, but I am not convinced he will want to move.

Sydney!

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Good post kloot, I agree

Big Mac

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Like I have said before the player has the power, just built a new house New kid on the way and on a good contract, he may not want to leave.
Also if United are trying to get rid they haven't got much bargaining power with other clubs so I would expect the transfer would be under his actual value
Still not convinced to be honest but time will tell

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Oh how great you are :)

So if he stays will you have egg on your face?

I think there is a chance he will go but still far from convinced. Who would pay his wages? I have no problem with poster's stating their belief that Rooney has not achieved what was expected of him or has dropped off. But I don't accept the need to slate certain players after every single game regardless of how well they played. You have been on a warpath with Cleverly and Rooney all season and now you've come out to say 'I told you so' because of headlines in tabloids!

HBadger

p. s. sorry for calling you 'grumpy' the other day I never knew you were so sentsitive ;)

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Defo agree with KLOOT,

just wonder how much would we get for him?

ms85

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Badger I would love to be wrong about him. I was completely wrong about Johnny Evans and I thought I was going to be wrong about Anderson but that seems to have just been a flash in the pan. I would love nothing more than Rooney to lose a stone and shove it right down my throat but he is not just fighting me. Like Ricky Fatman rooney is only going in one direction as he gets older. By the time he is 50 he will be big fat and bald headed. PS Badger every Batman must have a joker or penguin I preferred it when you were slaughtering me rather than pitying me

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KLOOT, you replied, I am honoured :)

Believe it or not I have had doubts over Rooney's fitness, conditioning and form for a while and it angers me when he comes back after a summer overweight. He's on a stupendous wage so of course that's wrong. It's just that I prefer to keep faith and support our players whilst they are here.

At the end of the day my faith in SAF means I'll accept whatever decision he makes regards Rooney.

My only issue with certain posts has been singling him out when I don't think it was fair. I know stats aren't everything but you can't argue with approx 50 goals in his last 72 games for a forward who has been played out of position quite often. I agree he is not at the level I expected or hoped for but without him last season for instance, City would have left us for dead - so I still appreciate his input.

Like I said, it's down to SAF what happens with Rooney and I'll have faith in his decision.

On the Johny Evans point - I'd say Welbeck and Cleverly are in the category of players who we should have faith in to improve. JE has turned out to be a real gem and if those two reach 80-90% of the level he has they will be great squad players for years to come.

Lastly, think of our relationship as more of a Superman v Kryptonite scenario, not yet worked out which way round though ; )

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Cleverley will come good, he will never be a world beater, but he will end up a value United squad player.

Sydney!

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07 Mar 2013 11:12:06
I think your taking about the Rooney from 2 or 3 seasons ago, he's not the player he once was. Granted he pulls something magnificent out of the hat every now and again. But he's not consistant enough anymore, he struggles for fitness more than he ever has. Sell him for £30 million and go grab another striker to through in the mix with Hernandez, Henriquez, RVP and Wellbeck. Don't forget we have that young English striker who's name I can't remember at the mo.

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07 Mar 2013 12:42:44
Agree with you on this mate.

Whistler.

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07 Mar 2013 10:18:59
I've noticed the last two days a lot of stupid posts by scousers and other gloating fans of other smaller clubs. This is obvious by the way they are agreeing and disagreeing with some posts, all against united.
Well guys, its a pleasure to have u on our site, we know you all think that your own teams are rubbish and not worth following, so now you are all "united closet fans". Welcome to our happy family. And you're right, your teams are rubbish, enjoy the rest of the season and keep looking up at us at the top of the league.
Nomidfield

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Goes to show the other night really was the biggest game on the planet - don't be harsh on the scouser's they just want to be involved somehow in something to special! Thank goodness we will have many more momentus nights like that to look forward to whilst they look forward to 6 pointers versus the likes of Everton, Swansea, WBA.

HBadger

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07 Mar 2013 13:44:06
You really have no idea how bitter you sound, why don't you just man up and get over it, you lost, you make yourselves look like pathetic little wimps!

United fans dillusion this season knows no bounds, you are an above average team in the poorest epl for years, hence your record points, not because you've been stunningly brilliant, you've set nothing alight, been outplayed on numerous occasions, majority of your players are out of form and you have no one competing against you.

Even compared yourselves to the 99 team, do us all a favour and wind it in. Never read such a pathetic page of posts.

Make the most of this free epl title, you won't be handed another so easy.

Easytimes

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Lol, with all the disagrees I think many of our 'friends' are still hanging around : / Don't worry guys 'next season will be your season!'

HBadger

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Yikes, Easytimes did we touch a nerve? So you are the one who's been hanging around secretly disagreeing with posts ; ) what a great use of your time! I'm guessing you have lot's of time on your hands.

In response to your post:

"United fans dillusion this season knows no bounds, you are an above average team in the poorest epl for years"

What does that say for the shower of sh!t you inevitably support? Are they in the EPL, languishing many, many points and many, many positions behind us? If the league is that poor just how poor is your team?

Thanks for making a point on just how good a team we had in 99, that team achieved something any average team (naming no names) could only dream of achieving.

Thanks for reading,

HBadger

p. s. in response to "never read such a pathetic page of posts" - I had thought you were a bitter scouser but I must have been wrong as that site is rammed with drivel!

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07 Mar 2013 10:11:28
i say sell rooney rvp is 100 times better than him would of sold him when he wanted to leave. sell nani his heart is not in it. and pray ronnie comes bk

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07 Mar 2013 09:59:00
Hi guys I have been really p*ssed off since tuesday evening but i'm just sat watching Munich - The Documentary on MUTV again and everytime I do it just puts everything in life into perspective. Yes we were beaten because of a poor decision and it leaves a very bad taste but at least we live to fight another day unlike the poor lads of 58. I'm only 32 and not a particularly emotional guy but whenever I see something or read something about that awful day I honestly could cry. We would have been the team going for our 10th european cup if not more and not Real and that is a huge shame.

Rest in peace our hugely talented boys of 58

Brendan81

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Excellent post

ALDUtd

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Let me guess, Liverpool fan pressing disagree?

Sad, sadistic people the scousers. Their fans boil my blood

ALDUtd

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ALDUtd

Definitely either a Pool fan, bitter rival or ABU so don't waste your time getting angry. To make yourself feel better just imagine how bad it must be to be them!

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Agreed HBadger, all Liverpool fans have to look forward to seems their club is 'in transition' is United failing

Small kicks for small minds, I just don't get them sometimes and their delusional way of thinking.

Heared two of them up the local the other night talking and sniggering to eachother (as they do) about signing neymar to "rub United's nose in it", I just laughed under my breath.

ALDUtd

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07 Mar 2013 09:57:48
My dream will be sell Rooney, Valencia, Young and macheda.
Bring in Bale, falcao, wanyama and if we can afford him, goetze will be great as well.
This will give us different options of playing.
I think against Madrid we were great until sending off, but then we didn't have the right personnel to play tight and close the game.
Of course I realize this will not happen, but we can dream!
Nomidfield

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Bale won't be coming!

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Why not add Messi and Iniesta to the list too? -_-

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Ronaldo is more likely that Bale - FACT.

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"My dream is to sell. "
A true supporter if ever I've heard one

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Jred, to be fair I think he means it would be a dream to have one of those players he mentioned, not to sell players. In order to buy top players some players need to be moved on.

Sydney!

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My dream involves Holly Willerby and Kelly Brook!

HBadger

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Badger
Now that would be a good front 2 or 4

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Jred, talk about taking half a sentence and turning it into something else :)

TK-Red

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07 Mar 2013 09:14:07
Allen is more rated than Kagawa.

really don't understand scouse humour.

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Rooney 4 life. He's best English player currently and has been for the last 5 years. Selling him would be a negative sign. Who can replace Rooney? Last week it was Nani out, now Rooney! It's called a loss of form. Get off the Rooney bandwagon and start appreciating the talent we have.
Karni

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07 Mar 2013 09:10:11
anyone else love kagawas second goal against norwich, cheeky finsih, so calm and composed. hopefully he gets more time as the no'10.

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Just like welbeck :)

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07 Mar 2013 08:43:45
sell rooney bring in one or two of:
bale, ozil, ronaldo, lewandowski, rodriguez, goetze. ?

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07 Mar 2013 08:12:13
Not a rumour but for a debate. I think SAF has missed the trick by not putting Kagawa in the starting line up. He played exceptionally and got a hat-trick (though against Norwich). I think if he would have played in place of Nani and in the Central Midfield, it would have really benefited for the club against Real. Nani was not in his prime form and playing him in the starting line up was not a cleaver piece of business. For me it should be always RVP, Rooney and Kagawa up front in the starting line up than RVP, Nani and Welbeck. What do you think guys.

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Rooney and Kagawa is difficult in the same line up and does not click if you ignore the one game last week.

Every paper out there is claiming we are ready to ship Rooney out if the right offer comes in but also lot's of stuff about not too many takers. It will be an interesting last couple of months and summer.

Would it not be odd if after all the Nani talk he ends up getting a new contract and Rooney is shipped out.

Can't wait to hear SAF next interview as I am sure the press will be asking some interesting stuff and his response :)



Shahram

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I think we played really well and looked comfortable up until the red card but you might have a point. Madrid were poor really and looked there for the taking yet all we got out of the first half was 1og, in fact in the 2 games we got an og and a goal from a set play.
But it always looks a bit different with hindsight the truth is with out the red card we may well of got the 1:0 win and it would of been a job well done

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"Rooney and Kagawa is difficult in the same line up and does not click if you ignore the one game last week. "

Would last week not suggest they can click then? What about Kagawa's goal against Hannover is pre season? Problem is they haven't played much together due to Rooney and Kagawa's injuries.

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07 Mar 2013 07:54:22
Just wondering if we sold rooney personally not sure how much we would get anyhow. All the talk bout ronaldo coming would possibly suggest there's funds for this to happen then rooney is sold would we bring bale in with some of this money. Would be good along with a cb and cm although I feel we need two cm

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I'd guess we would struggle to get more than £35m, maybe £40m as a max? Not as much as he was worth 2/3 years ago IMO.

HBadger

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07 Mar 2013 07:29:58
Well it has been 36 hours now and I am starting to find my bearings again as yesterday was like a haze and I could not believe what had transpired.

I for one never gave us a chance when the draw came out but realize now that as team we are going through a transition in playing style and personnel with some missing pieces but much better and stronger and a team is being accumulated witha young core and designed with the intent of winning major trophies for a sustained period going forward.

Even though we are still not the finished article, we seem to be head and shoulders above the rest in the PL and quite excited about what the summer might bring and the possibilities next year, which I also believe will be Sir Alex's last year.


I guess we now look forward to business at hand and two major trophies that we can win. Very proud of the team and look forward to thrashing Chelsea this weekend.

Finally, although we are out of the CL, it is great for us fans as the clubs financials are looking better and we are at the beginning of what might transpire as another golden decade for the club.


Shahram

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07 Mar 2013 11:10:16
Your tweleve points ahead in the league. Your not in 'transition' at all.
A dodgy ref decision went against you, that's it!

Carbon copy of Eboue's red against you, to which I quote' Eyes on the ball, got the man. 100% red.

Swings and roundabouts m8! You can't have it all!

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It's nice to see you are a bit more optimistic about the team these days Sharam :) I am in agreement - we have an excellent young squad coming together which just requires 1 or 2 quality additions in the summer to make the starting 11 as good as it should be. Good times ahead I hope!

HBadger

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HBadger

As the season has gone on it has made me believer. To be honest given how last year went and how toothless we looked against city the summer signings did not inspire me with confidence RVP being the exception.

I still would like to see us sign a centre fielder and a left winger this summer.

For me we are still 2 or 3 players away from being a complete team and believe if we get the right players this summer this team might win everything there is for a number of years.

Shahram

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Totally agree Sharham, personally I think we are 1 top CM and 1 top winger away from a very good starting 11 and we already have a good squad. Another CM or change of LB on top would be the cherry on top.

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07 Mar 2013 03:08:12
Ramos goal should have been allowed. also a hand ball on line madrid should have had penalty. Sending of was correct Nani also left his foot in after contact. Ronaldo took it easy to give utd a better chance. Ferguson spent 10 minutes acting like a spoiled child instead of focusing on tactics when the sending of happened. Madrid played poorly yet utd only managed one direct goal in two matches. Never hear Utd fans saying how lucky they are when many decisions go in there favour only moaning when they feel hard done by. You are not in the top six best teams in Europe but are good enough to bully teams in the premier league most of which are average at best. None of the teams in England would finish in the top four in La Liga. Bilbao played Manchester United of the park last season and they didn't finish in the top six in there own league. Last night was another wake up call to English teams in general.

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If your going to pick things that went our way try picking out all the decisions that went madrids way over the 2 legs you bitter little child. lopez punching vidic in the head, surely if nani is sent off lopez has to go as well resulting in a penalty, should of had a stone wall penalty for te challenge on welbeck, arbeloa should have been sent off for his challenge, varane should have gone in the 1st leg when evra was in on goal, the ramos goal was correctly disallowed, elbow in vidics face unless your a scouser and missed it and the decision to send nani off was a joke, so maybe try balancing the arguement out instead of showing your obvious bitterness towards utd.

phil

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I've noticed the last two days a lot of stupid posts by scousers and other gloating fans of other smaller clubs. This is obvious by the way they are agreeing and disagreeing with some posts, all against united.
Well guys, its a pleasure to have u on our site, we know you all think that your own teams are rubbish and not worth following, so you are all "united closet fans". Welcome to our happy family. And you're right, your teams are rubbish and not worth following.
Nomidfield

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Might not even be a scouser. I know there's a lot of Scots, Irish and Welsh regulars on here so this isn't for you but I've heard a lot of radio phone in since tuesday full of people from those countries having a similar dig at English football. Just as Scousers love it when United lose, I think there are many more in those countries who might support love it when English teams lose.

TK-Red

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07 Mar 2013 00:11:09
Rooney complained we had no ambition and demanded we sign world class players. So we sign world class players and Rooney loses his place in the team. Talk about getting bitten.

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I've backed Rooney to a degree as I still think he has a lot to give but even I admit his statement now seems ironic in this sense. Wayne you may only have one last chance to show you have a real future at the club, I hope for everyone's sake you take it with both hands!

HBadger

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